IVF/ICSI Support Group

JOJO_POS

Member
Hi good afternoon everyone I have been doing ivf for past 2 years but still not getting any good results did 2 fresh and 1 Fet . All at Kk. First fresh Er 17 only 2 make it for Et so I only Et 1 embryo for first time and I got 1 to frozen So sad both also Bpn. And this time third Time for ivf doing fresh had er 14 also only two make it for et dr said this time we try two and I agree. It still my tww but i already feel my menses is coming. So sad I feel like crying and don’t know what when wrong. I already try what I can do taking supplements go Tom acupuncture do yoga and massage and dr recommend me to do scratch test I did, but still don’t get good new. Should I change to other hospitals or stay if I want to try again?
Can I ask if the Dr did differently for the cycles? For instance, changed the hormone injections and dosage? Or use blastgen to cultivate better quality embryos?

Is not a easy journey and you are not alone! I have failed 1 ivf cycle with 4 5 days blastocyst (transferred 1 fresh and 2 FETS). I took no pay leave just to focus on the 2nd cycle. Just finished my 2nd cycle with 7 5 days blastocysts. Dr did changed the injections and added in growth hormone injections. We just need to be positive and one day we will get BFP :) jiayou and don't give up! The side effects of BFP including symptoms before mens! Pray hard for you...

May I know your age?
 

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Zcshop

Active Member
Can I ask if the Dr did differently for the cycles? For instance, changed the hormone injections and dosage? Or use blastgen to cultivate better quality embryos?

Is not a easy journey and you are not alone! I have failed 1 ivf cycle with 4 5 days blastocyst (transferred 1 fresh and 2 FETS). I took no pay leave just to focus on the 2nd cycle. Just finished my 2nd cycle with 7 5 days blastocysts. Dr did changed the injections and added in growth hormone injections. We just need to be positive and one day we will get BFP :) jiayou and don't give up! The side effects of BFP including symptoms before mens! Pray hard for you...

May I know your age?
Which dr r u with? Any idea how he decides what stim drugs to give u?
 

JOJO_POS

Member
Which dr r u with? Any idea how he decides what stim drugs to give u?
Am with SGH. After the failed cycle, Dr changed the hormone injection to menopur and added in growth hormone injection too. This means I need to inject twice a day instead of once a day. Previous cycle I took gonal F but my body didn't response well so Dr suggested to change it.

Also included blastgen to cultivate the embryo for better quality. I did differently for second cycle and did see improvements.
 

iibears

Active Member
Hihi, can I ask if any ladies tried to do ovulation test the cycle after ur ER? We are going to do FET likely next month so thought of trying natural for this month but its already day 16 and I have yet to see a smiley face. Not sure if the hormone jabs will mess up our ovulation cycle?
 
Hihi, can I ask if any ladies tried to do ovulation test the cycle after ur ER? We are going to do FET likely next month so thought of trying natural for this month but its already day 16 and I have yet to see a smiley face. Not sure if the hormone jabs will mess up our ovulation cycle?
Yes i did and it was delayed for 1 week. I got a positive on D20 instead of the usual D12. I thot i'm not gg to ovulate aft all the hormone injection. So no worries. Keep testing everyday.
 

iibears

Active Member
Yes i did and it was delayed for 1 week. I got a positive on D20 instead of the usual D12. I thot i'm not gg to ovulate aft all the hormone injection. So no worries. Keep testing everyday.
Oh thanks for sharing. I started testing since Day 11 cuz there are times when I ovulate early, today is Day 16 and still no smiley face yet so got abit worried.
Alright I shall continue to test!
 
Can I ask if the Dr did differently for the cycles? For instance, changed the hormone injections and dosage? Or use blastgen to cultivate better quality embryos?

Is not a easy journey and you are not alone! I have failed 1 ivf cycle with 4 5 days blastocyst (transferred 1 fresh and 2 FETS). I took no pay leave just to focus on the 2nd cycle. Just finished my 2nd cycle with 7 5 days blastocysts. Dr did changed the injections and added in growth hormone injections. We just need to be positive and one day we will get BFP :) jiayou and don't give up! The side effects of BFP including symptoms before mens! Pray hard for you...

May I know your age?
Hi yes dr did change the injection first fresh was injected puregon can’t remember the dosage I think is 325 seconds fresh change to menopur 375 and dr ask me to do scratch test. I am now 40 and percent of getting baby is Low. Thanks for your encouragement I will not keep up this time maybe charge supplements and try other things may good for me.
 

WhenItComes

New Member
Hi do you know M’sia which fertility clinic we can get donor egg? Feel sad doctor said for those Low egg overian is best getdonor egg then the percentage is higher when doing IVF. This is my last resort !
I havent explored on this... This wil be my last resort as well..hope we dont need to go for this extend. for this moment pls dont give up... lets work hard & jia you together.
 

JOJO_POS

Member
Hi yes dr did change the injection first fresh was injected puregon can’t remember the dosage I think is 325 seconds fresh change to menopur 375 and dr ask me to do scratch test. I am now 40 and percent of getting baby is Low. Thanks for your encouragement I will not keep up this time maybe charge supplements and try other things may good for me.
Jiayou jiayou! We will get BFP one day if we never give up :)
 

harriet07

Member
I just failed my second IVF cycle. I feel so sad because I had a bit of hope this round would work. It was C grade blastocyst but thawed well and became fully expanded before the transfer. But yet, my AF came the night before blood test.

I feel so sad thinking I had killed 2 embryos so far already this year that can survive in petri dish or even in freezer but die inside me. Does anyone else ever feel this way?

Since 2018, I changed my diet, exercised, ate more protein, ate all the supplements, yet my egg quality is so poor. Although 10-11 eggs can be retrieved each time, I can’t grow beyond 1 or 2 C grade blastocyst for each cycle. I just have to expect this is fact of life of women’s ageing. I am 37. I also feel so guilty for not looking into IVF earlier.

Going to take a break until next year or when I feel ready to tackle my final cycle under government grant. Thinking also whether to change doctor (I have been under Dr Jessie Phoon for 1 failed SO IUI and the past 2 IVF cycles already). But I do like her and the KK Nurses too.

1st cycle, Feb 2020: Puregon
- 11 eggs became 1 day 5 (C) and 1 day 6 (C)
- fresh transfer of 1 day 5 = failed

2nd fresh cycle, Jul 2020: higher dose Puregon + Menopur
- 10 eggs became 1 day 5 (C)
- frozen transfer of 1 day 5 in Sept 2020 = failed

- 1 frozen day 6(C) left from first cycle

just wanted to release my emotions as I don’t have anyone else to talk to except my husband.
 
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JOJO_POS

Member
I just failed my second IVF cycle. I feel so sad because I had a bit of hope this round would work. It was C grade blastocyst but thawed well and became fully expanded before the transfer. But yet, my AF came the night before blood test.

I feel so sad thinking I had killed 2 embryos so far already this year that can survive in petri dish or even in freezer but die inside me. Does anyone else ever feel this way?

Since 2018, I changed my diet, exercised, ate more protein, ate all the supplements, yet my egg quality is so poor. Although 10-11 eggs can be retrieved each time, I can’t grow beyond 1 or 2 C grade blastocyst for each cycle. I just have to expect this is fact of life of women’s ageing. I am 37. I also feel so guilty for not looking into IVF earlier.

Going to take a break until next year or when I feel ready to tackle my final cycle under government grant. Thinking also whether to change doctor (I have been under Dr Jessie Phoon for 1 failed SO IUI and the past 2 IVF cycles already). But I do like her and the KK Nurses too.

1st cycle, Feb 2020: Puregon
- 11 eggs became 1 day 5 (C) and 1 day 6 (C)
- fresh transfer of 1 day 5 = failed

2nd fresh cycle, Jul 2020: higher dose Puregon + Menopur
- 10 eggs became 1 day 5 (C)
- frozen transfer of 1 day 5 in Sept 2020 = failed

- 1 frozen day 6(C) left from first cycle

just wanted to release my emotions as I don’t have anyone else to talk to except my husband.

Sometimes is better for the bad quality egg to fail at the starting stage rather than MC. I always remind myself this so as to pick myself up again. The ivf journey is difficult and you have done your very best! I realised diff govt hospitals will suggest differently after the failed cycle. I am with SGH and just completed 2 cycles.

May 2019 - G gonal only
12 eggs became 4 eggs (5-day blastocyst and with 2 grade C)
-failed my first cycle
-work stress

Sep 2020 - Menopur + growth hormone + blastgen
18 eggs became 7 eggs (5-day blastocyst and 1 grade C)
-took a year break from work to focus on ivf.
-Since feb, on a daily basis - soak my feet in hot herbal water, heat pad on my womb for blood circulation, eat supplements such as myo-folate, eat veg and fruits, fertility yoga for 20 mins, wear socks to sleep, no cold drinks, drink red dates and wolfberries water, drink pomegranate juice and maintain a positive mind. Also acupuncture and use castor oil pack on monthly basis.

Currently waiting for FET because my hormone level was very high for the last cycle. Dr suggested PGS if I failed the 2nd cycle. I think my 2nd cycle has improved which is why I want to share all these with you. I was as depressed as u too.

Maybe you can try methods to improve blood flow to uterus? My TCM sinseh advise that blood circulation is impt to produce good quality embryo.

If you think your current hospital is not suggesting effective solutions for you. You may want to change hospital soon? Age is catching up and we will not want to waste time. If I fail my 2nd cycle, I will consider to switch to private hospital.

BTW, I am 35 this year.

Jiayou!
 
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iibears

Active Member
I just failed my second IVF cycle. I feel so sad because I had a bit of hope this round would work. It was C grade blastocyst but thawed well and became fully expanded before the transfer. But yet, my AF came the night before blood test.

I feel so sad thinking I had killed 2 embryos so far already this year that can survive in petri dish or even in freezer but die inside me. Does anyone else ever feel this way?

Since 2018, I changed my diet, exercised, ate more protein, ate all the supplements, yet my egg quality is so poor. Although 10-11 eggs can be retrieved each time, I can’t grow beyond 1 or 2 C grade blastocyst for each cycle. I just have to expect this is fact of life of women’s ageing. I am 37. I also feel so guilty for not looking into IVF earlier.

Going to take a break until next year or when I feel ready to tackle my final cycle under government grant. Thinking also whether to change doctor (I have been under Dr Jessie Phoon for 1 failed SO IUI and the past 2 IVF cycles already). But I do like her and the KK Nurses too.

1st cycle, Feb 2020: Puregon
- 11 eggs became 1 day 5 (C) and 1 day 6 (C)
- fresh transfer of 1 day 5 = failed

2nd fresh cycle, Jul 2020: higher dose Puregon + Menopur
- 10 eggs became 1 day 5 (C)
- frozen transfer of 1 day 5 in Sept 2020 = failed

- 1 frozen day 6(C) left from first cycle

just wanted to release my emotions as I don’t have anyone else to talk to except my husband.
Hugs and jia you. I know its not easy, try to stay positive as much as you can..
 

harriet07

Member
Sometimes is better for the bad quality egg to fail at the starting stage rather than MC. I always remind myself this so as to pick myself up again. The ivf journey is difficult and you have done your very best! I realised diff govt hospitals will suggest differently after the failed cycle. I am with SGH and just completed 2 cycles.

May 2019 - G gonal only
12 eggs became 4 eggs (5-day blastocyst and with 2 grade C)
-failed my first cycle
-work stress

Sep 2020 - Menopur + growth hormone + blastgen
18 eggs became 7 eggs (5-day blastocyst and 1 grade C)
-took a year break from work to focus on ivf.
-Since feb, on a daily basis - soak my feet in hot herbal water, heat pad on my womb for blood circulation, eat supplements such as myo-folate, eat veg and fruits, fertility yoga for 20 mins, wear socks to sleep, no cold drinks, drink red dates and wolfberries water, drink pomegranate juice and maintain a positive mind. Also acupuncture and use castor oil pack on monthly basis.

Currently waiting for FET because my hormone level was very high for the last cycle. Dr suggested PGS if I failed the 2nd cycle. I think my 2nd cycle has improved which is why I want to share all these with you. I was as depressed as u too.

Maybe you can try methods to improve blood flow to uterus? My TCM sinseh advise that blood circulation is impt to produce good quality embryo.

If you think your current hospital is not suggesting effective solutions for you. You may want to change hospital soon? Age is catching up and we will not want to waste time. If I fail my 2nd cycle, I will consider to switch to private hospital.

BTW, I am 35 this year.

Jiayou!
Thank you for your tips. May I know which doctor are you seeing at SGH? I am waiting to talk to Dr Jessie at my next appt in mid Oct to see if she has any suggestions on what can be improved if I continue with her. If I don’t feel confident with her plans I’ll switch doc or hospital.

Work stress is also an issue for me. I am considering to take year break next year to focus on the next cycle.
 
I just failed my second IVF cycle. I feel so sad because I had a bit of hope this round would work. It was C grade blastocyst but thawed well and became fully expanded before the transfer. But yet, my AF came the night before blood test.

I feel so sad thinking I had killed 2 embryos so far already this year that can survive in petri dish or even in freezer but die inside me. Does anyone else ever feel this way?

Since 2018, I changed my diet, exercised, ate more protein, ate all the supplements, yet my egg quality is so poor. Although 10-11 eggs can be retrieved each time, I can’t grow beyond 1 or 2 C grade blastocyst for each cycle. I just have to expect this is fact of life of women’s ageing. I am 37. I also feel so guilty for not looking into IVF earlier.

Going to take a break until next year or when I feel ready to tackle my final cycle under government grant. Thinking also whether to change doctor (I have been under Dr Jessie Phoon for 1 failed SO IUI and the past 2 IVF cycles already). But I do like her and the KK Nurses too.

1st cycle, Feb 2020: Puregon
- 11 eggs became 1 day 5 (C) and 1 day 6 (C)
- fresh transfer of 1 day 5 = failed

2nd fresh cycle, Jul 2020: higher dose Puregon + Menopur
- 10 eggs became 1 day 5 (C)
- frozen transfer of 1 day 5 in Sept 2020 = failed

- 1 frozen day 6(C) left from first cycle

just wanted to release my emotions as I don’t have anyone else to talk to except my husband.
Take care. Continue to try naturally while waiting for your next IVF cycle. Perhaps it’s also good to seek second opinion to assess your body condition, if anything can be done to improve implantation.
 
Thank you for your tips. May I know which doctor are you seeing at SGH? I am waiting to talk to Dr Jessie at my next appt in mid Oct to see if she has any suggestions on what can be improved if I continue with her. If I don’t feel confident with her plans I’ll switch doc or hospital.

Work stress is also an issue for me. I am considering to take year break next year to focus on the next cycle.
Hi, when you said take a break from work meaning quit your job or take no pay leave for a year? I'm thinking about this too but quitting seems extreme. Every day nothing to do may not seems good too, IMO. And dont think my company have sabatical leave. Not sure how to plan ard.
 

JOJO_POS

Member
Thank you for your tips. May I know which doctor are you seeing at SGH? I am waiting to talk to Dr Jessie at my next appt in mid Oct to see if she has any suggestions on what can be improved if I continue with her. If I don’t feel confident with her plans I’ll switch doc or hospital.

Work stress is also an issue for me. I am considering to take year break next year to focus on the next cycle.
I am with Dr Yu. I think work stress is a big impact for me. I totally have no mood to focus on my health.
Hi, when you said take a break from work meaning quit your job or take no pay leave for a year? I'm thinking about this too but quitting seems extreme. Every day nothing to do may not seems good too, IMO. And dont think my company have sabatical leave. Not sure how to plan ard.
I took one year no pay leave to just focus on improving my health for 6 months before moving to ivf. I do see results. Like what u say, if nothing to do everything also may not seems to be good. Hence, I took up online courses, pick up hobbies and spend time with my family. During my no pay leave, I managed to do yoga and exercise everyday. Prepare clean food for my meals and go acupuncture regularly. My time passes faster and more meaningfully.
 

Uptheair

Member
I just failed my second IVF cycle. I feel so sad because I had a bit of hope this round would work. It was C grade blastocyst but thawed well and became fully expanded before the transfer. But yet, my AF came the night before blood test.

I feel so sad thinking I had killed 2 embryos so far already this year that can survive in petri dish or even in freezer but die inside me. Does anyone else ever feel this way?

Since 2018, I changed my diet, exercised, ate more protein, ate all the supplements, yet my egg quality is so poor. Although 10-11 eggs can be retrieved each time, I can’t grow beyond 1 or 2 C grade blastocyst for each cycle. I just have to expect this is fact of life of women’s ageing. I am 37. I also feel so guilty for not looking into IVF earlier.

Going to take a break until next year or when I feel ready to tackle my final cycle under government grant. Thinking also whether to change doctor (I have been under Dr Jessie Phoon for 1 failed SO IUI and the past 2 IVF cycles already). But I do like her and the KK Nurses too.

1st cycle, Feb 2020: Puregon
- 11 eggs became 1 day 5 (C) and 1 day 6 (C)
- fresh transfer of 1 day 5 = failed

2nd fresh cycle, Jul 2020: higher dose Puregon + Menopur
- 10 eggs became 1 day 5 (C)
- frozen transfer of 1 day 5 in Sept 2020 = failed

- 1 frozen day 6(C) left from first cycle

just wanted to release my emotions as I don’t have anyone else to talk to except my husband.
As cliché and as heartbreaking as it sounds, sometimes failing to get pregnant is better than suffering a miscarriage thereafter. We only know that the embryo grew well up to a point of day 2, 3 or 5 in the lab but remember, the embryo has to grow well for 40 weeks undergoing numerous transformations to become a baby. Early weeks of no implantation could be due to uterus issue or simply and most likely, the embryo is not viable beyond day 5, so don’t be so hard on yourself. I also only succeeded after 3 transfers.

It is good to take a break. I did so and my egg quality improved tremendously. Like others said, perhaps try tcm? It may just help. My tcm physician never allowed me to do ivf or any transfers unless there is a break of 6 mths in between so don’t work your body too hard as well. Yes, age is a factor but you yield a decent number of eggs, now is to focus on quality perhaps relook at the things you use or chemicals you get into contact with? The westerners are big on this and I did change out some products while ttcing. This ttc business is all about trial and error.

Most importantly, stay positive and happy. My tcm physician always tells me this. Staying happy helps with producing good eggs.
 

Angelica Cheng

Active Member
Hi do you know M’sia which fertility clinic we can get donor egg? Feel sad doctor said for those Low egg overian is best getdonor egg then the percentage is higher when doing IVF. This is my last resort !
I havent explored on this... This wil be my last resort as well..hope we dont need to go for this extend. for this moment pls dont give up... lets work hard & jia you together.
Dear ladies,

hope you find these links about egg donation in Malaysia and Singapore useful:



 

WhenItComes

New Member
As cliché and as heartbreaking as it sounds, sometimes failing to get pregnant is better than suffering a miscarriage thereafter. We only know that the embryo grew well up to a point of day 2, 3 or 5 in the lab but remember, the embryo has to grow well for 40 weeks undergoing numerous transformations to become a baby. Early weeks of no implantation could be due to uterus issue or simply and most likely, the embryo is not viable beyond day 5, so don’t be so hard on yourself. I also only succeeded after 3 transfers.

It is good to take a break. I did so and my egg quality improved tremendously. Like others said, perhaps try tcm? It may just help. My tcm physician never allowed me to do ivf or any transfers unless there is a break of 6 mths in between so don’t work your body too hard as well. Yes, age is a factor but you yield a decent number of eggs, now is to focus on quality perhaps relook at the things you use or chemicals you get into contact with? The westerners are big on this and I did change out some products while ttcing. This ttc business is all about trial and error.

Most importantly, stay positive and happy. My tcm physician always tells me this. Staying happy helps with producing good eggs.
Which tcm are you with? Mind to share ?
 

lady081980

Active Member
Hi Ladies,

Need some help! Is this a negative for OPK? The test line seems to be lighter than the control line. Have been testing it for a few days, ytd was a faint line. But today the test line gets darker.
Need to be same as the control line or darker than it, test every 2-3 hrs to see if darken.
 

Apple05

Member
Hi ladies, I am new to this forum. Done 1 failed ivf cycle last year and just completed 2nd cycle, ER on Monday. 7 embryos fertilised and embryologist just called to say none develop to blastocysts on day 5 (which is today). They will continue to monitor till tomorrow. Am praying hard for all 7 to develop to day 6 blastocyst. Embryologist said slow development. I am quite disappointed as I heard day 5 quality is better. Can I check if anyone is in the same situation w me?
 

WhenItComes

New Member
Hi ladies, I am new to this forum. Done 1 failed ivf cycle last year and just completed 2nd cycle, ER on Monday. 7 embryos fertilised and embryologist just called to say none develop to blastocysts on day 5 (which is today). They will continue to monitor till tomorrow. Am praying hard for all 7 to develop to day 6 blastocyst. Embryologist said slow development. I am quite disappointed as I heard day 5 quality is better. Can I check if anyone is in the same situation w me?
Stay strong!! pray hard they can survive well !!!
 

bbcola

Member
Hi ladies, I am new to this forum. Done 1 failed ivf cycle last year and just completed 2nd cycle, ER on Monday. 7 embryos fertilised and embryologist just called to say none develop to blastocysts on day 5 (which is today). They will continue to monitor till tomorrow. Am praying hard for all 7 to develop to day 6 blastocyst. Embryologist said slow development. I am quite disappointed as I heard day 5 quality is better. Can I check if anyone is in the same situation w me?
Don't be disheartened, I conceived with a day 6 embryo. As long as they survive, there is a chance!
 

Uptheair

Member
I did too for my first fresh cycle but there was no embryo good enough to transfer. I was wondering does the tcm med really helps and do i wanna take tcm again for my 2nd fresh. Was worried the tcm med affect the effectiveness of the stimm drug.
I guess the ownership of decision has to come from you? I did for my second stimm and got good quality and quantity embryos, much improved from my first. Then again, it could be due to other factors, not just tcm
 

Azasha

Active Member
Hi ladies, mind if i join in?

Doing #2 IVF cycle & did ER on 2nd Oct (Fri) at KKH.. we managed to get 24 eggs... The biggest egg i knew was 21mm. I was on these since 17th Sept

Menopur 75 unit
Gonal F 150unit
Ganirelix 0.25mg

17th to 19th was on Ganirelix then adding the other 2.. I was on CD17 when the ER was done.. my cycle are usually 30- 32 days..

My prev cycle we gotten 17 eggs with only Gonal F 175 unit and Ganirelix. But only 1 blastocyst managed to be frozen. #1 IVF was a fail cycle. My OHSS became worst after the transfer.

This cycle after the ER (2nd Oct), i was slightly bloated but I manage to walk around, early frequent pee n poop and now feeling way better on 4th Oct with minimal bloating. Think the stim drugs plays a part as well.. they say I will have the ET on this coming Wednesday if all goes well.. for Day 5 Blastocyst.. I'm under Dr Shuling..

What i did different this cycle compared to #1 IVF
- No cold drinks since Early September
- Warm plain water intake mainly
- Reduce drastically on sodas/sugar drinks
- Avoid foods that I'm allergic to (Peanuts, Prawns, Durian)
- Taking in pregnancy milk formula daily
- Folic Acid + Metformin 500mg BD (for my DM)
- Total break from work to avoid unwanted stress
- Hot Packs on womb post ER at night

Anxiously waiting for the call from the embryologist.. Hoping a day 5 Blastocyst.. hehe
 
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SnowJasmine

New Member
Hi ladies,
I am new here.
Thank you for all your sharing.
Hi Azasha, we are rather close in our cycles.

Currently on my #2 fresh cycle, 2WW and terribly bloated. Probably post transfer OHSS or just since effects from crinone gel, anyone in the same boat with good recommendations for relief? I called the clinic and the nurse mentioned that as long as pain is bearable, wait till BT.
 

snowyg

Member
Hi! I experienced chemical pregnancy twice (once is Dec 2019 - Transferred 1 Blastocyst and currently experiencing another chemical pregnancy- Transferred 2 blastocysts). Not sure is it because of chromosome abnormalities or my body too weak to hold the pregnancy.

Planning to go for tcm to build up my body before trying for the next FET because i always have cold limbs...Any recommendations for tcm please?
You can try Ying Chuan Chinese Medical Hall at Jurong East.
 

Azasha

Active Member
Hi ladies,
I am new here.
Thank you for all your sharing.
Hi Azasha, we are rather close in our cycles.

Currently on my #2 fresh cycle, 2WW and terribly bloated. Probably post transfer OHSS or just since effects from crinone gel, anyone in the same boat with good recommendations for relief? I called the clinic and the nurse mentioned that as long as pain is bearable, wait till BT.
Hi dear!

How many eggs did u manage to retrieve? I was advice to eat egg whites, be it in form of hard boil or omelette. (My husband ate the yolks, he didnt complaint at all.. lol) also had tofu in soups. I drank ard 1.5L daily since the ER and recalled using the hot rubber pack which i applied on the day after the procedure during bedtime.. today is 2 days post my ER and I'm feeling good.. about 30% bloated compared to my prev cycle which was worse that i cant pee/poop without pain. I learn that going to toilet frequently reduces the pain when peeing. Since our ovaries are still swollen, keeping urine more than 5hrs will really hurt when trying to pee..

Eating chicken breasts/strips, be it boiled or pan fried also good source of protein which helps with the bloating.. I would advice drinking more warm water or red date drinks.. avoid cold beverages for the moment.. my OT Nurse did mentioned sometime OHSS may occur after 1-2 weeks post ER but its better to reduce it quickly right after an ER was made as there is no medications to help once OHSS has advanced. Hope everything goes well for u hunn!
 

SnowJasmine

New Member
Hi dear!

How many eggs did u manage to retrieve? I was advice to eat egg whites, be it in form of hard boil or omelette. (My husband ate the yolks, he didnt complaint at all.. lol) also had tofu in soups. I drank ard 1.5L daily since the ER and recalled using the hot rubber pack which i applied on the day after the procedure during bedtime.. today is 2 days post my ER and I'm feeling good.. about 30% bloated compared to my prev cycle which was worse that i cant pee/poop without pain. I learn that going to toilet frequently reduces the pain when peeing. Since our ovaries are still swollen, keeping urine more than 5hrs will really hurt when trying to pee..

Eating chicken breasts/strips, be it boiled or pan fried also good source of protein which helps with the bloating.. I would advice drinking more warm water or red date drinks.. avoid cold beverages for the moment.. my OT Nurse did mentioned sometime OHSS may occur after 1-2 weeks post ER but its better to reduce it quickly right after an ER was made as there is no medications to help once OHSS has advanced. Hope everything goes well for u hunn!
Thank you dear ! 18 eggs retrieved, not super many, but still so bloated and had a couple of mornings of heartburns that lasted about 5-10mins. Actually got better before ET then it came back about a week later, maybe I slacked off on my hydration. That was really helpful, will start eggs and tofu!
 

Eneres

New Member
I just failed my second IVF cycle. I feel so sad because I had a bit of hope this round would work. It was C grade blastocyst but thawed well and became fully expanded before the transfer. But yet, my AF came the night before blood test.

I feel so sad thinking I had killed 2 embryos so far already this year that can survive in petri dish or even in freezer but die inside me. Does anyone else ever feel this way?

Since 2018, I changed my diet, exercised, ate more protein, ate all the supplements, yet my egg quality is so poor. Although 10-11 eggs can be retrieved each time, I can’t grow beyond 1 or 2 C grade blastocyst for each cycle. I just have to expect this is fact of life of women’s ageing. I am 37. I also feel so guilty for not looking into IVF earlier.

Going to take a break until next year or when I feel ready to tackle my final cycle under government grant. Thinking also whether to change doctor (I have been under Dr Jessie Phoon for 1 failed SO IUI and the past 2 IVF cycles already). But I do like her and the KK Nurses too.

1st cycle, Feb 2020: Puregon
- 11 eggs became 1 day 5 (C) and 1 day 6 (C)
- fresh transfer of 1 day 5 = failed

2nd fresh cycle, Jul 2020: higher dose Puregon + Menopur
- 10 eggs became 1 day 5 (C)
- frozen transfer of 1 day 5 in Sept 2020 = failed

- 1 frozen day 6(C) left from first cycle

just wanted to release my emotions as I don’t have anyone else to talk to except my husband.
I am also under Dr Jessie Phoon! 1st fresh transfer was a miss, currently awaiting for my menses to come to proceed for 1st frozen cycle. Can I ask how come your 2 cycles are 5 months apart? As my 1st fresh failed last month, but Dr Jessie Phoon said i can proceed with the next once my menses come, is that too soon?

I just started doing acupuncture last week, and will be going once every week.
 

origorig

Member
hello all, can I check for FET, is the transfer done on +/- 1 day crucial? I've a black out date which I am afraid my transfer will fall on that day :(
 

Azasha

Active Member
Thank you dear ! 18 eggs retrieved, not super many, but still so bloated and had a couple of mornings of heartburns that lasted about 5-10mins. Actually got better before ET then it came back about a week later, maybe I slacked off on my hydration. That was really helpful, will start eggs and tofu!
18 is still a great number! Was it your 1st cycle? I waa told by my Dr that 1st cycle is a trial cycle to see and gauge the amt of drugs needed to react to our body response.. which usually cause slightly over stimulation on us and bad bloating occurs.. I also learn to be slightly more active in moving around the house this cycle compared to the prev ones.. goddness i was like lying in bed most of the time last cycle.. but not this cycle.. hehe.. u tend to feel nausea when drinking too much... So i took in small portion throughout the day and peed like 7 8 times.. sure hunn!! U can take those soy bean drinks from MR BEAN 25% sugar drink hot or those beancurds from them too.. i had these regularly.. take care!
 

Uptheair

Member
hello all, can I check for FET, is the transfer done on +/- 1 day crucial? I've a black out date which I am afraid my transfer will fall on that day :(
I would say yes it does. The embryo has to be grown to the same number of days as the uterine lining is exposed to progesterone (given as vaginal suppositories in an FET cycle). Additionally I would think there are optimal stages in embryo growth which an embryo should be transferred into the uterus for best chance of implantation. That’s why doctors usually do 2, 3 or 5 days transfers.
 

SnowJasmine

New Member
18 is still a great number! Was it your 1st cycle? I waa told by my Dr that 1st cycle is a trial cycle to see and gauge the amt of drugs needed to react to our body response.. which usually cause slightly over stimulation on us and bad bloating occurs.. I also learn to be slightly more active in moving around the house this cycle compared to the prev ones.. goddness i was like lying in bed most of the time last cycle.. but not this cycle.. hehe.. u tend to feel nausea when drinking too much... So i took in small portion throughout the day and peed like 7 8 times.. sure hunn!! U can take those soy bean drinks from MR BEAN 25% sugar drink hot or those beancurds from them too.. i had these regularly.. take care!
This is my second fresh cycle. Conceived on my first fresh cycle 4 years ago. Trying for No2. I can’t recall having any symptoms the last time, had 14 eggs the last time. This time round, I actually went back to work for 2 days after ET before I rested. Started my lazing in bed when bloatedness came back. I will continue on the whites and protein diet. I like soy bean so will definitely give that a go too. You take care too!
 

Azasha

Active Member
hello all, can I check for FET, is the transfer done on +/- 1 day crucial? I've a black out date which I am afraid my transfer will fall on that day :(
Hi Dear, im not sure on that but u can actually email or call ur IVF dept to update them on these important dates for them to avoid. At least, they can do a proper calculator or arrangement for u. Which hospital are u with?
 
As cliché and as heartbreaking as it sounds, sometimes failing to get pregnant is better than suffering a miscarriage thereafter. We only know that the embryo grew well up to a point of day 2, 3 or 5 in the lab but remember, the embryo has to grow well for 40 weeks undergoing numerous transformations to become a baby. Early weeks of no implantation could be due to uterus issue or simply and most likely, the embryo is not viable beyond day 5, so don’t be so hard on yourself. I also only succeeded after 3 transfers.

It is good to take a break. I did so and my egg quality improved tremendously. Like others said, perhaps try tcm? It may just help. My tcm physician never allowed me to do ivf or any transfers unless there is a break of 6 mths in between so don’t work your body too hard as well. Yes, age is a factor but you yield a decent number of eggs, now is to focus on quality perhaps relook at the things you use or chemicals you get into contact with? The westerners are big on this and I did change out some products while ttcing. This ttc business is all about trial and error.

Most importantly, stay positive and happy. My tcm physician always tells me this. Staying happy helps with producing good eggs.
Hihi can share which TCM did you succeed with? Thanks :)
 

Eneres

New Member
Hi ladies, can I check after 1 failed transfer, when and how many months before you do your next transfer? Did you take a break in between?
 


Uptheair

Member
Hi ladies, can I check after 1 failed transfer, when and how many months before you do your next transfer? Did you take a break in between?
Between first and second was 9 months; second and third was a year. Then again most people don’t take such long breaks... :)
 

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