(2007/03) March 2007 MTBs


Starfruit, Astro: The egg shakers are quite small. Do be careful, cos the baby might get choked swallowing it.. My nephew can put the whole egg into his mouth.. Anna is trying to do the same. Then we ban the egg shakers from both of them..
 
Astro: Anna used to be an "automatic" yaolan baby.. She was more.. No yaolan cannot sleep kind.. Then I was extremely thankful for the creator of yaolan.. Cos one she' in it, there's peace.. Then suddenly one day, she just weaned herself off yaolan..
 
I really got to go liao...
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Hey Pax! hello.. haven't chatted with u for a while.. guess we are all busy.. just wanna tell u the other day I saw u post Jo's pretty photos (in dresses).. she looks very girl-girl.
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Astro,
hmm, there are many people in RP with only a basic degree.. and of all the 5 polys, RP is the lowest paid one. That is a sad fact here.. of course, if u ask HR, they won't admit lor.. they have some very complicated formula to calculate how much to pay.. i think it's something like your degree type (Science, Engineering etc..and class of Honours, Merit etc..) plus the number of years of working experience. Don't ask me the formula.. but there is definitely one. If they offer u $5 more.. than chances are, that is the amt that they are paying people with your qualifications and experience.. ie. it's not because u stated an amt so they pay u based on that amt.
 
astro, i will invest and try lor. but seriously speaking, i believe it takes a while to see effect. i wld say at least a yr.

babygirl, so when will anna start her class eh?
 
Can't catch up with the archives ...

YY,
MM's big!!! No wonder you 'complain' about carrying him. hehehe. I also very dilemma, want my boy to grow well but scared when he grows too heavy, I'll have a difficult time.
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pax: no.. i meant that when bbs are overstimulated.. so should just lay them down.. coz they might not understand taht u are carrying him.her to sway comfort her so take a long while to calm the bb down. and inthe meantime.. develop a sleeping associaton such as yaolan.. no?

i dun mean sleep yaolan will be over stimulated.. did i phrase it that way?

oh ya hor . i wanted to ak u abt ur mince meat tip lei.. boiled meat, cooked then dump in cold water.. will automatically seperate ah? tried this afternoon.. not successful lei..
 
star
yes, morning and nite... jus realise she dun drink a lot. got 1 time, too smarty shoes lah. i thot she wakes up early bcos she's hungry. i gave her 4oz FM. she fin, then dun wan to latch. then next morn still wake at the same time.. so? early not bcos hungry..

Autum
ya lor.. in dresses.. i usually dress her in tops and shorts / pants.. too boy hor?

nite nite bbgirl
 
pax: i am trying to wean her off teh day feeds and just latch her only for the 1st feed and last feed of the day.. dunno how to start lor..been reading up a lot but half hearted leh.
 
autm : thanks.. think it is my degree kind (arts) and working yrs lah .. i work three years onli.. heehee.. abt there lah.. thanks ah

star: i worry abt the paint ah!! he not eating them. he mouthing them.. short while.. then i say no liao..

alamak..my neigh bourhood got many crying bbs.. cry in the middle of the night somemore. like now.. then i hear one.. i thought teng crying.. rush. he snoring wth miser.. wah biang..!
 
oh ya.. astro, the minced meat thingy.. i forgot to reply... not boiled meat leh.. RAW minced meat put in cold water, stir a little bit, shld come apart.....

eerrr.. my kids nap in yaolan in the day, sleep in bed at nite... weekends, Jo naps on bed, M hardly naps...

my kids vv strange one.. they can differentiate
 
star
that means only 1 or 2 feeds. maybe u can start doing after Rae is down to 1 feed in the day... then u r not too stressed...
 
pax: on the contary.. yaolan very soothing to the bb.. rock them to sleep mah. last time went europe.. was taking over night train.. then got sleepers there.. wah train moves.. very shiok to sleep.. plus weather cooling.. nice. but then not nice got interrupted coz must open door for conductor to check passport.. many times .. exp when u cross borders.. so i aga aga know why bbs like the movement lah..coz i like also hee..
 
pax: so how is ur ss now ah?? since u only latching day and nite.. u think enuff for Jo? i worry that my ss will drop drastically if i cut down to just latching for these 2 feeds.

Astro: urs wooden one ah?? how come got paint? the one i get from the BP is the same as the ones in kindermusik..plastic, no paint on them.
And wow..u are soo young?? only 3 yrs of working experience??..heheh
 
pax: alamak.. i prepared totally wrong way! ok.. wil try again..

i think they not strange. we also can differeiente lei.. so actually bbs/kids are smarter than we think they are.. too smart
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YY,

I'm starting with them 2nd Jan. Sigh, I really dunno how to break this to my boss, it is machiam like breaking off with boyfriend that kind of awkwardness (maybe worse, cuz I'm not feeling angry or what!). My ger is not cranky even though she dun sleep alot. Still can be very energetic to climb here climb there. Will be clingy though, in the sense that she refused to let you out of sight. Even engrossed in playing, she will turn her head once in a while to check if you are around. Will scream in rage if she realise that you disappeared (tried to secretly escape).
 
Mejo,
u currently don't have a full-time job right? or did I remember wrongly? u are working part-time and studying part-time? hey, u joining SAS is it?
 
pax: jo now only 1 feed in the day?? Rae still feeding like 3 milk feed in the day (excluding the early mroning and last feed for the nite..so total 5 in the day)..i am slowly cutting down to 4 feeds in the day only.. very stress now leh.
How much does Jo drink for that 1 day feed?
 
star: ehh. ya.. i duncount NIE training as work.. maybe i should.. ok.. then 4 years :p
not the same as kindermusik.. not wood.. think plastic. but colour is black.. and another blue.. definitely not nautral colours right???

Mejo: haven't confirmed witht hem lei.. hmmm.. dunno lei.. dunno how much should be offered.. and dunno how much i desreve.. aiya.. money issues= astro sucky at it..
 
Autumn,

I have a full time job. I'm working full time and studying part time (which about kill me!). What is SAS?? I'm going to be academic associate in RP.
 
mejo: want join us on sat? with huajing for playgym.. 4-5 pm can make it?? ehh provided teng recovered liao. he got. one more day.. sigh..

i like ur way of saying.. ur bb will scream if she notice u try to escape.. haha.. :p
 
wah..so interesting topics today...i've got lots to contribute..but after reading...dunno wat to say liao... :p okie..from memory...

astro: wah! so teng actually can do so many things ah! he is so SUPER SMART!!!! i bet u must be super relieved now... and judging by his abilities and fine motor skills, ur iq + eq must be super high!!! WOW........

re: bb refusing to sleep
yup! i greatly believe bb is overstimulated liao...thus refuse to sleep. wat i do is i will hug n pat..n 'force' bb to calm down...by singing, humming, n patting. then gradually bb will sleep. this is recently proven correct. eg. my ah ma sometimes help me to put seth to sleep after his lunch. then she will say "dun sleep so early la. play abit.. so later can sleep longer." turn out... seth gets overstimulated, cos after food, sleepy time he played... then when ask him to sleep he will stare back at u. he is tired. cos he stopped moving..jus lie in arms n stare. refusing to close eyes. then eventually after he 'rested', he'll crawl up n play again. it went on for a few days... i was so upset cos if he dun sleep means he wun eat properly after that. one fine day i jus told my ah ma off... he needs to sleep. NOW! even thou he was struggling n still wide eyed n wanna play. i said a firm NO! n she jus ok loh..pat him lo.. n he slept! for the next 2 hrs! yup!

re: bb eating and playing
ok, i used to subject seth to high chair feeding. very strict. he was ok initially when eating fruit purees n cereals. however, when he advanced to proper meals with longer hours, he became fidgety...i was desperate..cos he will cry whenever i put him in the high chair and start feeding. he will refuse to open his mouth..even when crying!! astro suggested i try coarser food, cos maybe seth loves the challenge of texture. sure enuff, as soon as i gave him flaked salmon instead of pureed, he started to open his mouth. (of cos i also added his favourite mango!) but my hb figured out something else. he says seth is a hyper active kid! to him, eating is not an activity! playing, yes. so to ask him to sit still for half hour to eat is torturous. we r not respecting him. so that's y he is notti to us! he has no prob eating outside when we dine out..cos it's a new place n new chair n such! sure enuff.. i tried to feed him in different ways. sometimes i let him crawl around. he will crawl to me and eat a spoonful..then crawl away and come back when i call to him. no fuss! and when i do place him in his high chair, i give him finger foods in intervals.. when he is bored. he loves to eat things off fingers! once i even resorted to rolling his food into tiny rice balls and feeding him with my fingers. he finished them all!

re: discipline/educational classes
my belief and understanding is, every child is born with a clean slate. whatever they learn and experience is fully absorbed. esp in the initial years. imagine when u write on a blank piece of paper. u can write anything u want.. and u can read it clearly. but as u fill up the page, it gets messier. u may need to squeeze the info by the sides, in between words, maybe even overlapping. but eventually, u realise the actual words written on the first layer still shows up more clearly then the added on words. a child's character is built by the age of 4. whether he is kind, violent, rude, polite, fillial,loving or everything that makes us. anything after that is just an influence. it may or may NOT be absorbed and change the person. if the parent is patient n willing to sacrifice and help the child onto the right path, then good for him/her. but if the parent is busy, boh chup, impatient, or the super negative and scolding kind, then most likely the child will have no positive examples to learn from. i dun believe there is a thing as born gifted or wat. so far those gifted children we see have very capable parents who knows how to nurture their young. even when they r uneducated, they r either super loving or super encouraging. thus their kids are keen to learn n excel. i've yet to see a super boh chap busy gambling or vulgarities swearing parent bring up a gifted child.

alamak..i m not born gifted, nor am i super capable. the only way to produce a smart (i'm not even looking at gifted hor) child is to let him learn from others lo. i believe learning not only comes from education in schools, it also involves phsical activities. play is oso important, as in socially, he can learn from his friends and peers ma. isn't that the reason we send them to schools... if really shun qi zi ran..then no need to go school oso can survive ma... zi ran means survival..not education, no? last time when policemen r in shorts and noodles cost 5 cents a bowl, ppl have neighbours and tens of siblings and relatives under 1 roof. they learn from them naturally (zi ran). now we live in hdb with closed doors.. and 1 or 2 siblings... learn wat? last time ppl run around on earth and grass (zi ran) now we run on cement and bemper mats. last time veggies n poultry no insecticide, pesticides or growth enhancement (zi ran), now we have the bird flu, the pesticide and chemically induced veggies, plucked when unripe and allowed to 'ripen' on the way during delivering. last time no fridge to keep food fresh, now we have freezers to keep the nutrients frozen while we decide when to consume them. we really shouldn't be comparing the lifestyle of then and now. life has moved on. and so should we.

done! after today, please call me ms loh soh... :p
 
autum
your example of the 2 extreme siblings makes me wonder why some kids are terrors while others are angels naturally..because of our mood when we were preggie, the food we ate?
my fren with her terror son could do nothing with him, on 1 hand she ssaid her parents spoil him, on the other hand, she was a terror and a big bully when she was young, perhaps her son is just like her, could be a phase.
i stress lah, because sometimes my MIL kept commenting that my SIL's kids are very guai and well-behaved, that she knows how to discipline them, she's a teacher and she took child psychology.

Mejo
u mean YT slept only 1 hr in the day or 1 hour per nap? if it's the first, ya quite tedious for your mil.

pax
same here, leia naps in yaolan in the day, but my maid said cannot leave her in the yaolan when she wakes up, she will tilt and turn until her whole head come out from the yaolan, very dangerous
 
YY,

I'm worse. I never had a pay raise in the past three years. Have received a total sum of $1K as bonus in three years. My pay for the past five years can only be described as Pathetic and it is not as if my job is easy... I dunno how to negotiate with my boss then now, some more only throw him letter and dun give chance...
 
star
i think i def have enuf... Jo stops when she has enuf. i dun force. ss will def drop if u latch only 2x. but will maintain as long as u cont latching the 2x.
Jo on 2 feeds at my mom on weekdays, 10am 5oz, 2pm 7oz. weekends i tend to give her more solids, so cut down her feed to 2pm 7oz.
ok, i wan to ask, do u latch Rae when she wans or schedule feeding? 3 feeds might be the reason why she's slower on solids?
 
Mejo,
ok.. i thot u working part-time now. I was asking the dept u joining.. is it Science (SAS)? Or which dept is that? hmm, then u are quitting your current job now? wouldn't u lose your year-end bonus? why didn't u wait??
 
Pinkpink,

She slept twice a day, at most 30 minutes each time. I also dun understand why lei. In the weekends, she can sleep longer at my mom's place. Very strange hor. And it is not as if the weather recently is hot. So cool liao she still can't sleep long enuff.
 
YY,

I said that cuz that is really what she will do! If you nice nice tell you are going off for a while, going to kitchen or something then she may whine a bit but she will scream if she turns around and you are gone without prior notice!

Autumn,

I'm going to science, yar. You there also?
 
pink: my two cents worth again. being a teacher ans having taken child pyschology NOT = good mother..!!!

mejo: so pay is part of the reason why u leaving ur current job?

tituteo: ur first line hor.. u suaning me huh??!!! u know i full of hot air.. deliberately put that in caps somemore.. ah bish u flat flat!!!!!!!

i like ur take on education.. reallyl amusing. the way u put it! :p
 
pax,
my kids also in yaolan in the day & bed at night. They'll refuse to sleep if I put them on the bed in the day & refuse to sleep in yaolan @ night. So weird ... maybe they really know how to differentiate.
 
Irin: ya.. MM big boy. stil bigger than peers his age.. sian.. ihaven't calculate his BMI yet.. i hope it's falling..

Mejo: what's a suitble timing for u?
 
YY,

Pay has always been an issue. My boss knows but no choice also cuz company not doing well. Actually next year seems like a harvest year for us, but I'm sian already then somemore I have to do master thesis next year. I dun think I can handle cuz I will need to do experiments etc. So sad, I'm always not around when they are handing out money.
 
joelle,
shun qi zi ran doesn't mean letting the child run wild.. doesn't mean just birth him and then throw him to survive on his own.. (that would really be zi ran like the animal kingdom!).. shun qi zi ran in the sense of do within your means and don't be too hard on yourself, your baby and everyone else around.. I believe all of us here are coping and it doesn't help to feel extra stressed by other people's experience or examples.. we all read, hear stories, check with friends and families.. but ultimately we should all still have a balanced head on our shoulders and do what we think is the best.. and only we can judge for ourselves what is the best because our child is unique to us, our experiences with our child is unique to us.

Hmm, just an interesting thought.. about your last sentence about no boh-chap or vulgar parents bringing up gifted child.. I remember reading before that Beethoven's mother was someone deaf and dumb, prostitute with disease!!! something like that.. but not sure if Beethoven had received other education from some other caring soul who nurtured him!
 
YY,

I think I prefer morning before 11 or afternoon after 2 but before 4 that kind. Got such slots? Oh, but my ger dun care about me going to work one. I can leave home without her making any fuss. She is happy as long as there is someone. "No fish prawn also good" is her motto. Even if it is only my BIL who had NEVER carried her sitting in a place where she can see him from inside the play-yard, she also fine lei.
 
pax: what time is Jo's last feed for the day har? around 7:30pm? I am trying to cut off her 10am feed and replace with bfast.. but i have been sayingf or like clsoe to 2 weeks liao.. still talking and no action! her next feed is 3pm and then dinner at 5pm. after that in give her soem milk before she naps at 6pm. infact, i ahve cut down on her 10am and 6pm feed, during these 2 feeds, she drinks from 1 side of my breast only. and sometimes, i will offer my other breast if she is still hungry lah.
 
Pink,
I also wonder why the 2 extreme siblings turn out the way they do.. that's why I believe that there is such a thing as being born naturally like that.. my friend's sister.. although I don't know her personally, but I believe they are the good parents type.. religious pple with good values etc.. so it's not like they don't care about the elder daughter which thus makes her become naughty or terror.. so it's also very hard to explain leh..

Hmm, try to ignore your MIL (altho I know it's easier said than done).. most importantly now is how you want Leia to be lor. Perhaps you can try to ask your maid/aunt to teach or reinforce ideas in her.. I don't know if it works.. but I always tell EJ to be guai guai.. haha.. so lame hor.. but I keep telling him that if he is guai and happy, then many people will love and sayang him.. if he is naughty, then only his mummy and daddy can stand him.. then he won't have many friends.. well, I definitely don't think he can comprehend that la.. but I think maybe if I keep telling him that, he may be able to "absorb" a bit??? hahahah..
 
mejo: can try arrange.. will let u know.. hmm pm me ur contact number?
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sms easier and faster :p.. heehee..

ur girl needs pple to be around to assure her lah..

and hor.. yalor.. i left MOE.. they paying so much money to get pple! i went ot MOE on record high (many pple applying.. 1 in 6 recruited.. and high strating salary kind).. and when i left.. they pay even higher.. *sigh*
 
Mejo,
I am not in Science.. another mummy here is.. Saffy.. but she hardly comes into the forum now.. cos she is very busy. But Science is a good dept.
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Astro,
just wondering.. why don't you want to go back to teach in a Secondary school? if the pay is good and I think you did enjoy it right?
 
Autumn,

That's good to know. I have many friends in RP too. One ex-colleague, one university friend, two secondary friends but all in different dept I think.
 
star
Jo's schedule
7am latch both sides
8-830am bkf
9-10am nap
10am 5oz
11am lunch
12nn-1/2pm nap
2-230pm 7oz
5pm dinner
730-8pm latch both sides
 


oh Beethoven! i like.. he very controversial.. heehee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_van_Beethoven

apparently.. like any other great musciains.. he is borned of poor family bkgd.. like what autum put it.. but of course not on records in wikipedia.. but indeed .. such muscicians.. will have the necessary exposure.. and 'masters' in their lives.. to help them and realise their potential.. is this what we call gui ren in chinese?? .. hmmm.. ok.. back to sq 1.. nature vs nuture :p

(in this case hor. can we classify beethoven as a genuis who could have performed better and be much more successful if in better situation? read.. his apparent disdain for authority.. and troubleed life in the url.. wah. drama his life.. ehh. prefer teng to be ordinary then :p Van gogh another one.. :p)
 

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