(2007/03) March 2007 MTBs

Hi Ladysol,

your bb and my bb can be buddy leh...he also like that...hahaha...

even if he really fall asleep, he will still wake up in the middle of the nite, crying....as though he's having nightmare....
 


Michelle: my conclusion is that K can be offered more solids.. :p.. haha.. net time. when K more active.. she might not sit guai guai in the high chair liao :p

Ladysol: do u have predictable timings whereby Javier does the smae things around the same times every day? easier.. then can let javier sleep longer.. even if he doesn't appear tired.. sometimes it's the structure of feeds which actually interfrupts the bbs s;eeping rhythm
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Pax: now i dun get u.. is there ahidden pun hidden somewhere inur last post to me? why know i younger than start laughing huh?? .. *stratch head.. confused*
 
TSY: do u feed/rock/let bb suckle to sleep? he is doing that.. coz he is transiting from deep sleep to light sleep. and because he is used to whatever meausre to get htim back to sleep.. he screams coz he wants to sleep.. but can't go back to sleep liao without this 'help'.. do i make sense somewhere?
 
Hi Astro...

I think i understand...but i don rock to let him sleep, i just pat him... so does that means he need to be pat all the time to get back to sleep?

is there any measures to prevern that? if i don pat him, think he even don feel like sleeping...
 
just finished the archives..
Astro: so not keen to finger feed is oklah.. but wat u mean cap at 1 yr? u mean if bb by 1 yr old still not keen to finger feed then its a problem??
And no she dun reject the spoon but i suspect sumtimes, i force feed a little cos she eats very little.. i am trying not to do tat lah.
 
Pax: Babetitude will not be selling the jujube direct anymore, she is the importer and she is still selecting the places to sell these products. u wanna email her to check if u can buy direct from her?
 
see yee..
yah, they can be buddies, put them together and let them cry..:p

astro,
yes, i have a rough schedule..on his daily activities..
as my maid is taking care of him it quite hard for me to put across to her what i wan..but i'll work on it...
she try to put him sleep after breakfast, but 15 mins later he wake up le..then start crying..so she will go and carry..
 
QQ: Tian Poor thing leh, sayang her more ok.

Edde: so Anthea has a firm pincer too..hehe... great. try giving her small items to pick up to fine tune.. after my discussion with astro a few nites ago.. i have sort of gone crazy, i have been looking for tiny tiny objects to give to Rae to try and pick up.. i think i have gone crazy liao.

I suspect Autum's EJ also have a finely developed pincer grip cos Autum ever complain in here that EJ likes to Pinch his care taker at the IC.
 
Lsaysol: my ger also like this lah.. u know i used to be her human yao lan.. i carry her for all her naps.. lately i have been trying to train her to sleep on the bed on her own.. but she still needs to be carried and pat first before i can put her on the bed to cont sleeping.. sometimes, she will wake like in 30mins and i have to carry her so that she can go back to sleep.. bad habit hor.
But today super failure man, i carry her and she slept then i put her on the bed, she woke up crying after 15mins.. this went on for the next 1 hrs, than i buay tahan i just carried her so she can sleep peacefully for the next hour!
 
Hi starfruit,

Well, wat can i say, we are all 24 xiao fu mu....heee....doting on our bb, that's y kana bullied by them...heee...but of coz, we willing 1....heee...esp when they cry....

my mum always say it's not nice to let bb cry long time, coz will have wind inside their stomach, and will have stomach pain...
 
Astro: u say bb is tired aftre 2 hrs 15mins.. wha that means they need to have like 5 naps a day?? a lot right??

Now Rae's nap is as follows:
Wake up 7
1st Nap: 8:30 to 10am (sumtimes to 9:30)
2nd Nap 1pm to 3pm
3rd Nap 5:30pm or 6pm to 7:00pm
Off to bed at 8:00pm or 8:30pm

If i let her nap after 2.5hrs of awake time, that means she will need to have at least 1 more extra naps in the day?? then my schedule will need to change also hor.
 
hmm..ok i relook my schedule..maybe i need to let her sleep ealier for her afternoon nap.. should put her to nap by 12:30pm instead of 1pm hor.
 
TSY: agree with u... and they voice will become hoarse too.. i use to have this colleague.. she has a super deep voice, she say its the results of her parents letting her CIO when she was a baby, so permanent damage to the vocal cords...cannot cure.. her voice really really deep man.. and sa sa one also.
 
Astro: alamak, why u never realise teng bullying u ..hehe actually rae also like this, when i lie her on the bumper mat, she will also cry cos she wants to be upright..i will push her gently so that she can roll onto her tummy and sit herself up. Maybe u can try, roll teng on his tummy so he can push himself up to sitting position. This might also help him in training to crawl...cos to push up from sitting from tummy, he will need to use his knees, tuck in and maybe once teng master this, he will learn how to crawl too.
 
aiyo.. i also seems to be the only one taling here at this time.. morning BZ training my ger lah....to prep her so that i can go back to work next yr, so only have time to come in now when she is taking her evening nap....but seems like bad timing cos no one is around during this time. *sigh* Rae now sleeping next to me on the sofa..is this bad har??hehe my excuse is that i want to train her so she can sleep everywhere?? hehe like this can a not har?
 
TSY: pat is put on bed pat or carry and swap and pat ah? ya.. if that is what he needs to go to sleep with. he needs the very same thing to go back to sleep when he wakes in the middle of the night..

starfruit: Dr low said.. drink from beaker.. finger feed.. are skills which are not 'immediate'.. give them till 1 year.. after which they might show an interest to do so..take it easy wor.. nvm.. me will go for second opinion soon.. heehee..

dun force feed her lah.. traumatic for her and u .. hmmm.. feeding sturcture? sometimes could be because bb take too milk the feed before/close intervels.. hence can't take enough solids at the next feed..
 
star, just now i tried with cheerios again. i realise she doesnt use her pincer grasp everytime, most of the time she grabbed her food.. sa gah liao kind. but just now for a few times she managed to release her food when i put her hand to her mouth. she still doesnt bring fd to her mouth automatically. guess i must give her more time to learn, cant expect her to learn the skill overnight.

rae can sit up from tummy position? wah... anthea wont even try to push herself up leh.. she will lie there and cry.

in fact just now she cried when she wanted cheerios. she rather cry than pick it up on her own. but this time i remember astro's words, let her cry and LEARN ON HER OWN !! and i realised aft crying for a while, she WILL try ! gd start for me..
 
edde: jialat.. now i stressed.. ehh.. not my words.. but pax.. dun forget.. i also bullied by teng ah. arghh.. ok.. let's work on subduing teng and anthea!!!! arghhh.. cannot stomach it.. got bullied by 10 mths plus boy.. what is this man????
 
star: rolling over.. i realise. he is doing more of those these days.. but then .. he will be stuck there liao.. then cry!!! stupid boy.!!! now stupid mama dunno hw to help her stupid boy.. ok.. arghh. stupid mama got get dinner for stupid grandma also liao. talk to u later.. hope u have something to help stupid mama when she comes back later..
 
Astro: To sit up from tummy position, when baby is on his tummy, he has to push himself up, so that his arms are straight, then he will tuck his butt in and tuck his knees and then slowly using his arms, push himself to sitting position.
U help help step by step so that he can slowly progress to sitting up on his own.
 
star: me back.. eating dinner in front of laptop.. let's yakk.. else always timing not right liao.. :p

ok.. first.. U mentioned something which Dr Low mentioned too.. wah.. Dr Star? he said teng's upper body is already strong.. as in when he is on tummy.. his stomach is off the ground, hands straight.. just that his legs (i think thunder thighs.. too heavy) can't bend in yet.. or rather.. he hasn't figure out how to bend them.... sigh..

hey.. tehse days he is looking down onthe floor.. when placed on tummy or just standing.. with face facing down. ehh . is that an indicatin of maturity or what ah? as in really to 'face down' to sit up and crawl?.. alamak. i sound dumb with my qns,..
 
star n edde: i got Teng a pair of egg shakers liao!! heehee.. me tgoo lazy to DIY lah.. then bought from a music school at cwp.. think second cheaper beside the BP liao.. $6.96 for a pair.. as compared to kindermusik's $6.50 for one.. wah.. he likes it a lot ah!! will clap clap/bang together.. or bang against the floor.. wave and shake and just shout out with joy.. heehee.. i was like choosing eggs there.. coz so many scratches one.. chey..

but hor. he is starting to mouth things ah!! alamak.. so not dun mouth. now mouth liao.. he mouthed the egg shakers.. eeee.. dunno paint toxic or notn.. must keep close eyes on him. then today bkfast.. he like got pattern, open mouth big big.. look at the cheerio he was holding.. then want to bring to mouth liao.. wah.. silenece.. i tell u.. i was staring at him.. then he dropped tghe cheerios!!! arghh..
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.. hopefully he is going to finger feed soon..

and at Dr Low's place.. i saw the ikea bead chaser.. Teng literally lift the whole damm big thing up and shake it when standing ah! Dr Low was amused.. wah.. superman.. i told him..'ehh. he is muscleman'.. and he just laughed.. haha.. i think i should really get him that. will keep him amused for ages.. then he sat there.. and fiddle with the beads for a long time.. while i keep asking qns..
 
astro, glad to hear that u r "happier" with teng now! must praise him more wor.. to us it might be something small but to them its a milestone! give teng more time, i am sure he will impress u further!

anthea has a small bead chaser set. just now i was teaching her to move the beads with her fingers, but she got so pek chek that she cant grab the beads, and threw tantrums.. think she has no patience with it. alamak, another of my traits.
 
ok lor.. so indeed me alone.. jus any how ramble lah

Edde: thikn Anthea is perfecting her pincher grasp now.. using a combination of raker grasp and occasinally the pincher.. yeap.. encourage her.. think she is getting there..
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Star: the thing abt this pincher grasp ah.. is very loosely defined i think.. coz the health booklet defined it as holding objects between the thumb and the indexxxx finger/one other finger.. ehh. so like that thumb with fourth finger also meh? i thin not right?? but then again.. it depends on how big the object is mah.. healthbooket define it as pick up rasin with pincher grasp. ok.. teng pinching pple also painful.. but i dunno which grasp with which fingers. i just shout at him one! does Rae pinch u? :p
 
Edde! wah biang.. are u going to attribute everyhing negative abt anthea to urself ah?! :p then u leave ur hb out of this 'mess'? u too kind to him liao :p

hmm.. i am curious.. really.. dun mind me asking.. anthea's weight.. her PD's concern? can it be improved.. by monitoring her diet or soemting like that???
 
edde: i hope so lah.. hmm .. now i trying to figure out how to do that ' tuck his butt in and tuck his knees' that star said just now.. alamak.. he got big butt lah.. like me.. chiam :p

hope: u around? how is constanc's feeding now?
 
Yo! I'm here.. So busy with work this week!

Today there're a lot of cause and effect stories.

QQ, Astro: It's precisely becos Anna is learning abt cause and effect that I don't want to pick it up each time she drops it. Otherwise, she'll think that dropping it = cause, and one of us coming over and picking it up = effect. And if this continues, next time if we don't pick it up for her, she'll sure fuss, cos it's not the "normal" cause and effect pattern she's grown to learn. Makes sense?
 
star: why i didn't realise teng bullying me? hmmm.. i thought abt it on my way to get dinner.. and i realise:

1: so depressed when he first three months.. when nboth haywired.. so didn't think then..

2. when got GF book.. happy like anything,, busy implementing routine.. nvr think again

3. weaning.. anxious to get it right. nvr think again

4. when now everything in plac.. got time to think.. still doubt that gross motor skills can be 'taught'.. i know can encourage.. but unlike routine and food where i can have more control..i can encourage the cow comes home.. if he is not physically mature.. he can't do it.. these kind of pysical milestone.. (that's why u have the debate on when is the time to potty train lor).. so i left it as it was.. till now .. then PD told me.. he's long 'overdue'.. dammm.. sigh..

ok.. next i said 2 hour and 15 mins maxxx.. as a guide.. coz perhaps some mummies aren't aware that bbs are actually very tired.. and have difficulties going to sleep. not that they dun want to sleep.. they can't sleep coz they too tired.. just as a guide

and no.. they can't be taking 5 naps a day liao.. usual is around 2 -3 naps.. of varying durations.. it really depends on how u want to structure her naps.. because she wakes at 7. but goes to sleep at 8.. which is still ok lah. unless u are uncomfortable abt that???

as bbs grow.. they wil be more and more alert for a longer period of time... and will cut back on their daily sleep.. and the time they turn in int he evening..they should also be consolidating their sleep into longer, but fewer, stretch,,,

for teng. he is not sleeping more than 2 hours 30 mins a day liao.. of course there are times.. when things are not smooth. then he sleeps more/take the late afternoon nap.. but max 3 hours.. so that he can sleep 12 hours in the night..

bbs these age... should be working towards dropping the late afternoon nap.. coz evntually they will be sleeping one one long afternoon nap (around 2 hours) and one short /no morning nap.. when they are nearing 1 - 2.. by three.. they wun be taking any more naps liao..
 
Pampers Comfort vs Mamy Poko:
My maid told me MP is better than PC leh.. She said she tried last 2 nites using PC for anna's bedtime, leaked. But MP is v good..
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hello bbgirl: thought where u were all day :p.. hmmm.. i think anna would eventually hold on to her toys.. so strongly that u would have a problem to remove it from her.. so not to worry abt that cause and effect thingy.. if too many times.. then stop it if it is irritating u.. but i was trying to say bbs not doing to irritate now. they exploring now..but soon. they will do it to test.. then ur boundaries would be useful..
 
pampers comfort is the purple packaging one?? i using it also. it does leak at times. but MP like absorbency not very good lei.. whole thing so heavy .. very fast..
 
QQ, edde, astro, pink, starfuit...

I was reading all the postings on discipline today.. perhaps I m the least qualified person here to say anything (cos I can be seriously boh-chap) and also I know that I am lucky cos EJ is relatively easy.. but I really think there is no need to be too gan-cheong and too up-tight about discipline and development.

I ever posted here before.. I actually wish that EJ don't develop too fast. I have never tried to help him flip or crawl or stand or train him to grab things or feed himself. Everything he can do, it comes to him naturally. At times I do worry a bit cos I see all the babies here develop so fast.. but then after a while, my live-and-let-live attitude will take over. EJ can't wave goodbye, don't know who mummy or daddy is, won't really stretch out his arms for me to carry.. but I think it's perfectly fine leh. Slow then slow lor..so what if slow.. he has a whole life ahead of him for him to learn.

Maybe his IC teachers do try to let him crawl or stand but I don't think they are too conscious.. to them, they put him on the floor, but if he doesn't want to crawl they also won't try to make him.

For discipline, I am sure none of us mummies here want to have screaming toddlers on our hands.. but think again.. those that we have witnessed before in shopping malls, restaurants etc.. I am sure some of those mummies are really tearing their hair out too.. but they just can't do anything with their child. I am the type who believe that some kids are just born like that. I have a colleague who told me, her sister got 2 daughters. The eldest one is the terror in the family.. nobody could do anything at all.. they tried every method but everyone is just terrified of her.. the 2nd daughter is the direct opposite.. she is such an angel..just automatically guai guai, very sweet, very easy. So that's why I feel that, just as there can be easy babies, there can also be naturally difficult babies.. perhaps it's also part of their personality bah.. Another story.. my SIL 2nd son (now 10yrs old). When he was young (like 3yrs old).. I really "hated" that boy! He was such a terror.. screaming, yelling, kicking, stretching in a car ride.. and the mom (SIL) just let him be and pacify him all the way in the car.. at that moment, I wanted to give him a slap! BUT now, he is such a good boy! A polite, good, smiley 10yr old boy who says please and thank you. This real-life example really made me see and understand that children all go through phases.. just because we can't "teach" or make them learn when they are very young, it doesn't mean the kid is condemned and will turn out bad/rude/terrible.

I am not sure if my super-long post here is any advice or consolation to anybody (probably not!).. haha.. but I just want to say.. don't be too hard on yourself! No matter which method you choose, CIO, carry when bb cry, yell, beat.. just don't be too hard on yourself and on your baby.
 
Astro: Yes, the purpls one.. Dunno leh, it's my maid's feedback..
After she told me that, she asked, "Mdm, which one more expensive."
I replied "The lousy one."
She was surprised.

Come to think of it. Actually it's been a long time since I change Anna's pampers..
 
Autum: that's why u have the age old debate of Nature vs Nuture.. is the child born like this (nature) or is he/she a product of upbringing and social influence(nurture)?

I dun think that by giving in to the child now. we will create bad/rude/terrible children..jhaha. in fact the url i just posted.. say that we wun spoil the child now!!.. ha!

i dunno abt others.. but for me.. because of my past experience.. i tend to feel that it is responsiblity of the parents to teach the bbs.. they say.. giving birth is easy.. but educating the bb is hard.. i think we are talking abt the latter now..

and yes. kids to go through 'magincal' transformatin.. my miser is one.. he says he just 'realised' it .. and become a good man.. haha..like real.. anyway.. me just want to say. mothers all like these.. we worry over everything.. discussing here sounds like we are hard over ourselves.. but i think we are all discussing it so as to encourage one another .. and to prevent potential.. i say potential.. might not be the case. ... of long drawn behavioural and conflicts over a long period of time.. 7 yrs is long time for a child to become 'good'.. and not everyone is as strong as ur sil to accept it.. inevitably there will be discomforts/heartache along the way.. so i guess now we all talking abt this.. to prevent this discomfort/heartache.. of cos.. talking is talking. diff pple have diff threashold and wil ultimately come to a realisation themselves..

hmm.. btw.. could i just ask ah.. RP hor.. after they called to check abt the comforable salary range.. how long do they take to prepare the documents?
 
Baby Girl: I swear by MP too... pampers leak...the premium one summore..i am only using Pampers when we got out, MP during the nite and huggies dry during the day.
 
bbgirl: iszit? no wonder u implementing the 'dun pick up for anna too many times' theory :p.. haha.. time to change her diaper! :p before it is gone.. like her previous bb moments.. too soon
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starfruit n bbgirl: u all dun have any problems with MP's 'poor' absorbency ah?? teng's MP diaper like super heavy.. after 2 hours liao leh..
 


Astro: hehe.. hope me description dun confuse u leh..actually i think teng is not use to tucking/using his leg while on tummy thats why he dun move his legs..put him more in this position and i amsure very soon he will start moving his legs and pushing his knees in..actually, he needs to move his legs and lift his butt (which will put him in the all 4 position- the lauch position for crawling) with his strong leng muscles, i am sure he will figure out in no time and soon, he will be sitting up himelf as well as crawling liao !!
 
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