Well,my wife and I are married with 2 kids for almost 12 yrs already. Had to say we enjoyed the intimate times before wedding (definately) and then even after we have our 1st child, the intimacy and sex was still was quite alright. But after 2nd child, I think we have already stopped kissing,stopped holding hands, she stopped holding onto me etc. Now even when I want to kiss my wife, she would avoid it. Hugs, concerns via text msgs etc also gone... no more.. (HP typically is silent throughout the whole day except when it's near end of work time? I guess most couples with kids will know what are those text msgs. Definitely not something to make my eyes go bright and rush home.) So things in bedroom has gone down so many notches down. Like I dun even know how to initiate sex that kind. I want,she dun wan... quarrell before, we discussed before.. I complained before... my wife said wait for her... But I think she meant wait forever.. also dun have? I mean she wun even initiate to have sex. Unhappy hubby I am, I admit. But I still do many things to show my love... from housework to humour her, doesn't seem to work any magic. How ah?