(2008/06) June 2008

feifei,
today really painful sia.... took panadol also no use....

yes, the LC say latching is the most effective.... she say best is to latch one side, at the same time, pump the other. will yield more...
 


iamsnow,
but its over liao =D..u got try pumping aft u reach hm?more milk>? Abit diff to latch n pump at e sametime wor..cos bb always in cradle position on my besfren pillow lor, if put pump on the other side, hmm...i duno how to do it leh...hmm...
 
SAHM
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1. Huggy
2. Cynthia (2 kids) (Going work force in Mid Aug finally!!!)
3. JP (2 kids)
4. samsoon (going interview soon)
5. star (going to quit once my ML ends. YEAH!!)


JP,
I stay im Jurong West Extension. Opp of Morraine hehehe. My #1 also approaching TERRIBLE 2 in a mth time. Now she is already super terrible!! She is in Childcare now while #2 I am taking care but lately let mil handle her pattern as I will be FINALLY going back to work in Mid AUG yeah!

Veniz,
Ya saw the msg liao hehehe. Busy with 2 brat at home and HB just home yet lo.. Hai now start to get used having 2 kids handle all myself maybe I have set a proper routine and kind of Bu She De to go back work which I mention to u e offer I decide to take it n give a try lo. HOW can I miss the High Tea
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Gathering @ CWP Gelare. 29 Jul (tue), 11.30am.

1) Veniz
2) Fennie
3) Cynthia - not bringing bb
4) iamsnow - not bringing bb
5) morraine
6) crystal (evenings only)
7) nss
8) Jessica
9) Fei Fei - not bringing bb
10) Jenny - not bringing bb

Buffet Gathering - Hi-Tea at Carousel@Royal Plaza on Scotts
Date: Either one of the days from 4th - 6th Aug
Time: 3.00 - 5.30pm
Price: Below $30.00 after all tax and discount (

1. Veniz (any of the dates stated)
2. Priscilla (Date preferred?)
3. Jenny (Date preferred?)
4. Xris&Maia (Date preferred?)
5. Cynthia ( All date ok except 4th)
6.
7.


Angel_z,
Maybe your bb like to be rock and swing since you mention she sleeping in Yaolan. Yaolan bb is like this, need to swing and rock i suppose.
Try the method bath her b4 feed or 30mins later after feed. I tends to wake my bb up and she love to bath. After bath she will drink and sleep. Mine also v noti at night and I think she is somehow colic as everytime standard that timing lo. Hope 90days will be fine.

You change ur gal teat to M? Maybe try to see if the flow making her drinking to faster difficult to breathe? Maybe you can try to meet us up any of the days and we all can share more too
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Don worry, if you bring bb out so many of us here n some of us not bringing bb and have few 2nd time mummie We try to help each other for sure. Everyone need a break and if stay home to long will Ki siao which I am soon hahah! Sometime even a short time to ourselves without our bbs do refresh us alot..
 
Feifei: hanks for the suggestion. I thought of putting toys in the bath tub too but i was wondering whether she so young, know how to play with toys meh? so until now still never put.. so your baby know how to play with the toys? do they work?

Zuen: I oso wan to pass my cranky baby to someone.. but both my husband n my mum are working.. only i'm not working cos i took no pay leave.. so someimtes i feel bad when they have to wake up in the middle of the night cos i did such a lousy job at taking care of the baby.. sigh..

Wan to ask you hor.. saw that you mention your doc gave little zuen iron.. my doc oso gave sheryl iron but i got difficuly giving it to her.. so how you give it ot her ah? she got finish the iron?

Cynthia: I tried rocking her le.. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.. seems that she prefers the yao lan more..

Ya.. i'm reali crossing my fingers that once she passed her 3rd mth, she will be ok.. I'm thinking is it reali 90th day ok or i must wait till after 90th day then baby gradually ok over few weeks?
 
Cynthia:

Oh.. ya.. cos i see my baby is trying very hard to suck milk with S teat so i tried to change to M loh.. but my baby is aledi 11 weeks old le.. After i changed the teats, she doesn't look as 'xin ku' when sucking the milk..

Sigh.. I so so wan to go out loh.. Whenever my in-laws come for few hours to help us take care of baby so that i can have dinner with my husband outside.. i'm so so happy.. now i see my house as prison le..

But to take baby out alone is reali scary.. i dun even know how ot handlt the pram myself.. usu its husband who manages it.. hahaahha.. and i scare baby will get cranky outside and i'll be at loss of what to do le..
 
Angel
U r lucky that ur baby prefer yaolan! Mine when placed in it for 5mins, started wailing to be carried out of it.

Its true taking the baby out alone is difficult. That day I took the train myself with the baby and I am so afraid that she will scream in the train.
Ever tried carrying ur baby out in a sling? mine fell asleep the moment she is in her kangaroo pouch.
 
SAHM
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1. Huggy
2. Cynthia
3. JP (2 kids)
4. samsoon (going interview soon)
5. star (going to quit once my ML ends. YEAH!!)



FTWM
====
1. angel_z (only start work in nov)
2. paulnelaine (only start work in jan 09)
3. babycupid (start work on 2 sep)
4. morraine (start work in sep 08
5. crystal~07 (already at wk) - 1 kid, staying at khatib
6. iamsnow (start work 25th jul) - 1 kid, staying at sembawang
7. feifei (start work on 4th Aug) - 1 kid, staying at Sengkang
8. Priscilla (start work Sep 08) - 1 kid, staying at Aljunied
 
Fei Fei, yes, have to meet up coz missed seeing you last time at taka baby fair.

Ladies, I will be bringing Vivienne to both gatherings coz nobody helping me to take care. Only thing to decide is to put her in which stroller. If she needs carry carry, u all have 2 help me.

Cyn, glad 2 know u taking up e job offer. So you going for which cuisine on Friday?

Angelz, like I told MLP, theres always the 1st time 2 bring baby out alone. If you want 2 meet CWP, I can wait 4 u at cck mrt station 2 go together.

Pris, u bringing your gal to e buffet also?
 
Update.

Buffet Gathering - Hi-Tea at Carousel@Royal Plaza on Scotts
Link: http://www.royalplaza.com.sg/carousel.php
http://wineanddine.asiaone.com/Wine%252CDine+%2526+Unwind/Reviews/Story/A1Story20070526-11976.html
Date: Either one of the days from 4th - 6th Aug
Time: 3.00 - 5.30pm
Price: Below $30.00 after all tax and discount (paiseh, yet to check. Just called them but no one answered phone).

Please let me know who is interested in this gathering and poll for the day preferred while I try to ask for the seating area and price before I update you all tomorrow.

1. Veniz (Anyday)
2. Priscilla (Anyday)
3. Jenny (Anyday)
4. Xris&Maia (4th Aug)
5. Cynthia (5th Aug onwards)
6.
7.
 
hi to all mummies,
been following this thread for a long time but was a silent reader. would like to join you all. Can I join in too?
im a FTWM and mum of two kids now (1st - 28mths old ger and 2nd - 6 weeks old boy).
my son was borned in 4th June.
i had difficulty coping with 2 monsters at home though my ger will be at cc fullday. she started to get jealous on and off. requests to be carried by my hubby as i am carrying my boy. my boy now is drinking about 180mls ebm during the daytime and fm in the nite time. interval is 4 hours. mid nite, can get up once or twice to drink milk. does not latch on like his sister. so i had to express it out.can get about 100mls per 3 hourly. whole day - about 700 to 750mls. quite lazy in expressing out during the midnite as was very tired. unless he woke up to drink milk, then i would express.
 
Feifei,
I m good, just super tired. Already start work liao, but still trying hard to maintain my 3-hourly expressing.
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Jia you on your milking too.

Angel,
Ya, given iron too. My ger very greedy de, so initially she will "eat" the iron, but muz be followed by milk. My mum always complain that it is so poor thing to feed bb such 'medicine' at such young age, so we stopped liao. Nvr finish lah. The bottle so big and each intake so small. Will take forever to finish the entire bottle. ;p
When I was on ML, I oso tried hard not to ask for help. Like you, I felt guilty asking for help or waking my hb in the middle of the night. Afterall, I m on ML and he needs to work. Then, I handle all the night feeds on my own. For a while, I suffered from lack of slp badly and almost went into depression. Since then, I have laern to admit that I m not a superwoman and learn to ask for help when I need. Beta than ending up in depression mah. Tat's y I v. happy to come back to work. ;p

jennylow,
You mean that your bb sometimes slp thru' the night liao?
 
zuen,
my boy woke up twice during the midnite before he turned 1 mth. since then till now, he either work up at 2am or 6am for milk. there were a few times last week till this week, he woke up only once - at 6am for milk. he slept from 10 or 11pm till 6am.

angel_z,
you are not the only one who is suffering from depression. me aso..
has to admit tat im suffering from depression lately as feeling moody and had been scolding my ger and boy for small reason. now still praying hard tat my replacement maid will arrive soon and can help me out. got an maid in april this year as thot tat my boy would be premature at wk 33. who noes he was borned a day earlier than my EDD.. my present maid can not handle him alone at all and still threaten me tat she wan go back to agency. had discussed with my hubby to send her back tml.. very tired liao.. cos is her 2nd time threaten us and always give me a black face when ask her to do certain things.
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do take care and feel free to tok to any of the mummies here as i believe tat the forum here is for us to share and learn things..
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just finish milk session.

feifei,
after the LC clear for me, I really can pump more for the 2 pumps i had.... not bad sia....

want to share with u gals what the LC told me abt changing milking hrs to prepare to go to work. was too tired to type in the evening.

now i'm pumping 3hrly. she say to increase to 4hrly for 3 days. if breast can tahan, then slowly change to 5hrly and then 6hrly. ultimate aim is to pump at 6am, 12noon, 6pm, and before sleep.

initially ms will drop coz decrease in pump frequency. but if possible, shld try to latch as often as we can (esp weekends). then pump slightly longer, eg extra 5min each side to stimulate flow. once flow is established and the total amt of milk pumped each day is the same as before, can slowly reduce pump to 15 min each side again.

In short, final aim is to pump 4 times a day, total output shld be the same as before.

well, I not sure if i can achieve... but will try. for all those who find pumping very tiring, I can understand. but do not give up. like what the LC say, bm is very precious. money also cannot buy and it's the best for our bb!

jia you!!
 
feifei,
i tried to latch and pump together before. really cannot handle. but the LC say if one side latch, the milk flow from other side will come naturally. no need to massage. coz the let down is there when bb suckle.

think prob will try again during weekend....
 
Jenny,
Tsf $36 to you liao. Ref: 1811177161
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jennylow,
wah, wake up one time niah. My ger is 2 months 12 days old but still 2 night feeds. However, I realise that the hours are starting to get longer apart. Hope she will go on 1 night feed soon..

imsnow,
Got technique de? I still gong gong, trying to maintain 3-hourly pump. I seldom latch on anymore wor, even on weekends. Like that still can follow the technique? My ss already not enuff to meet my baby's dd. I scare I decraease pumping frequently, later ss drops further and cannot increase liao.
 
Veniz,
We were thinkin to go New Asia Bar
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Dinner after that some drinking lo.

Priscilla,
Wowo Genting! We want to go too to relax BUT my MUM strictly say NO as she mention NOT even 2mths NOR 4mths after my birth. The weather & wind is not good for us so We didnt go and decide to wait lo. Believe I also don bear to leave my 2 gals esp BB is still young.. THink will wait first before going any trip..

ANgel_z,
Hmm think your condition is BB prefer yaolan and love that secure feeling. I think maybe as time goes can be better. Sometime when u get the hang of carry the right way for her she will be ok too. I am lucky #1 very easy. #2 now a headache, at times carry is for sure cos everyone likes to carry bb i don understand why hai. So fragile also leh. I try not to swing or rock her so now whenever she cry I hold her close me and sing to her softly pat her. I think each bb have their own pattern own preference. We will all get over this stage soon.

Jennylow,
Wow 1 time...my #1 wake up 1 feed after she reach 3mths. #2 now 7weeks still 2 feed 3 hrly. Want to try extend her timing and increase her milk intake but she cant take in more so I rather don make her vomit and suffer haha.

Life do changes alot after birth of BB. WHen preg losing sleep but still can catch up. But now with BB sleepless night. Been 2 years since birth of #1 I never had a good sleep like a stretch of 8hrs. Always interrupted sleep. Hope they grow faster sleep well AND be good good
 
angelz and ladies here, please don't keep thinking of depression when you are stress with baby at home. Just try to look at brighter side, such as thinking this is a good experience, next time you will be well prepared, and that you are giving lots of love to your little ones, etc. Just try to be light heartening towards the difficulties.

Cynthia, good good lor, hee, aiya, might as well book a hotel room there for the night lar. Can have kinky and romantic night together leh.... (remember that time we almost booked room in Shang coz it was so comfy at the buffet area hor).

Angelz, one thing good about yaolan is that baby's head will be very nice, round round one. I just got my hb to fix the yaolan back so when Vivienne falls asleep, can just dump her there for reshaping her head to rounder.

Gals, I find that when my gal wants to sleep, she is forever searching for my nipples to suckle on. Do you think I should get pacifier for her? My MIL against on pacifier, me initially also, but now, it seems like when I carry her to sleep, she is always searching and cranky. Any recommendations?
 
Wow... Gathering at Causeway Point... Feel like going leh... But most of you not bringing baby? If I go, I prob have to bring big and small baby and old baby.
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Can anot?

Angel_z
Hoo... be comforted that yours can be soothed by yaolan... Mine in the electrical one still cannot... Like now, I just put him in after he fell asleep in my arms less than 5 mins ago... now he wiggling inside liao... Headache.
But I guess like what everyone says... hopefully they outgrow this phrase soon...after all, still considered quite small.

Regarding bathing - my ma taught me to keep the mittens on (gives baby something to hold on to) or use a thin towel, wrap their naked body up, bathe hair first, then lower whole body with towel into bathtub. They feel more secure and will be less likely to cry. Try lor.

Hi zuen
hehe...I also pray no night feeds soon. My girl outgrew her night feeds at 5th mth. I am hoping for the same if not faster... greedy mum.

Hi jenny
Your new maid, indo? How much is her salary now? Mine is going home in Dec... I hate to see her go, cos she has been a GREAT help since I had my boy...Honestly, I couldnt have survive till now without her help as I was doing confinement myself. Sigh... Crossing fingers and toes that the new one will be as good. But heard salary went up and that new maids nowadays all too smart...
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morning mommies
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zuen, i also maintain 3-hourly expressing at work for my elder son, 'tong' until he was 6 months before cutting it down to 2 times. Jiayou!

Veniz, Jaret same like Viviene, also using me as pacifier. But I still resisting giving him pacifier, scared later addicted. Did your #1 use pacifier last time?
P/S- looking forward to the Gelare :p..

JP: I am FTWM, 2 kids, starting work in Sep08. Location in Yew Tee. Salute to you and all SAHM

Insurance for baby:
I am thinking of buying hospitalization insurance for my kids. Any mommy here bought yet? Which insurance company did you buy?
 
Hi veniz
I gave Max the pacifier... Till date he is not VERY keen on it but he gets soothe by it at times.. My #1 was also on it, and honestly, I see more pros than cons... When we travel or go out, when she wants to sleep and gets a little cranky, all it needs is the pacifier and bolster to get her to quieten down and she sleeps within 10mins no matter where we are. They are like her security blanket... gives her security in strange places. But of course the bolster and pacifier has to go where we go lor...

On nss point - addiction... yes, somehow, it was an addiction, but it made lives easier for me and hb.. Once in HK, we nearly lost her bolster, thank goodness we found it. :p But she outgrew it when her old ones spoilt at about 2.5years old... We only gave to her when sleeping time.

Hi nss
I got Aviva medical insurance for both my kids... If you and your hb are policyholders, kids up to 20yrs get FOC coverage under plan 2 (govt & restructured hospitals)...But we signed both up as individuals Plan 1 holders. Premiums deducted via CPF medisave.
 
SAHM
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1. Huggy
2. Cynthia
3. JP (2 kids)
4. samsoon (going interview soon)
5. star (going to quit once my ML ends. YEAH!!)



FTWM
====
1. angel_z (only start work in nov)
2. paulnelaine (only start work in jan 09)
3. babycupid (start work on 2 sep)
4. morraine (start work in sep 08
5. crystal~07 (already at wk) - 1 kid, staying at khatib
6. iamsnow (start work 25th jul) - 1 kid, staying at sembawang
7. feifei (start work on 4th Aug) - 1 kid, staying at Sengkang
8. Priscilla (start work Sep 08) - 1 kid, staying at Aljunied
9. Jenny (start work Sep 08) - 1 kid, staying at Hougang
 
SAHM
====
1. Huggy
2. Cynthia
3. JP (2 kids)
4. samsoon (going interview soon)
5. star (going to quit once my ML ends. YEAH!!)



FTWM
====
1. angel_z (only start work in nov)
2. paulnelaine (only start work in jan 09)
3. babycupid (start work on 2 sep)
4. morraine (start work in sep 08
5. crystal~07 (already at wk) - 1 kid, staying at khatib
6. iamsnow (start work 25th jul) - 1 kid, staying at sembawang
7. feifei (start work on 4th Aug) - 1 kid, staying at Sengkang
8. Priscilla (start work Sep 08) - 1 kid, staying at Aljunied
9. Jenny (start work Sep 08) - 1 kid, staying at Hougang
10.Fennie (start work mid sept 08) - 2 kids, staying at woodlands
 
zuen,

i also like u, was trying to maintain 3 hrly pump. the LC say if can maintain is the best. if cannot, have to use that technique. but must pump longer to stimulate so that we still can yield the same final amt for the day. but she say intially ms will drop first. so have to be prepared loh....

then hor, when expressing, have to squeeze in the breast and push out to make sure the milk in the ducts all flow out and not get stuck inside. it can get stuck inside and yet our breast feel soft... well, it was like that in my case. but after she clear for me, my ms really better....
 
Linda and nss, thanks for the feedback. I think I will try her with beans bolster/pillow first. If still cannot, then intro pacifier. Also scare she will get addicted leh.

Linda, bring along your two kids lor, I want to see your pretty Vicky.

iamsnow, in regards to milk ducts, I am not sure but when I express out milk, during let down, I only saw 3 - 5 sprays coming out from each nipple. Is this normal or maybe I got milk ducts? How much do you pay to clear the ducts?
 
veniz,
not sure what is the 'normal' sprays we shld have. i think it probably depend on how many openings bah...

i paid $50 (exclude GST) to clear the ducts at KKH. Not sure if this is subsidised price for KKH patients.

U can call the LC at 63948232 to look for cynthia or yen ping. but i warn u first. super super painful hor....but the results are good....
 
iamsnow, thanks. I think will call them later.

BTW, the other time Ah mor, Mrswrx & Christina, you all said you will like to go for the buffet gathering. Still game for it? Please let me know ok.
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hi iamsnow,
i also paid the same amt $50 as u for KK LC. but i am under the private suit one. so think it's the standard rate
 
hi linda and nss

i signed up for ntuc enhanced incomeshield with the rider. initally was with aviva, but subsequently switch to ntuc.
 
Finally got sometime, bb sick last few days, having cough and nose block, and me also kana the virus now got flu and cough so unable to join you all for tomolo's gathering.

MLP,
I did not go their showroom only get the sling at parkway but still interested to get the another pouch.

Veniz,
wat is CWP? For the hi-tea, me start work on 30 aug liao but interested to join so maybe will take leave and bb maybe leave her at nanny's place (noti mummy).
 
FTWM
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1. angel_z (only start work in nov)
2. paulnelaine (only start work in jan 09)
3. babycupid (start work on 2 sep)
4. morraine (start work in sep 08
5. crystal~07 (already at wk) - 1 kid, staying at khatib
6. iamsnow (start work 25th jul) - 1 kid, staying at sembawang
7. feifei (start work on 4th Aug) - 1 kid, staying at Sengkang
8. Priscilla (start work Sep 08) - 1 kid, staying at Aljunied
9. Jenny (start work Sep 08) - 1 kid, staying at Hougang
10.Fennie (start work mid sept 08) - 2 kids, staying at woodland
11. Christina (start work 30 Aug) - 1 kid, staying in Chai Chee
 
gers,
long time no post cos handling my monster n hsework etc...

veniz,
me wil join e high-tea onli (4 or 5 aug is fine). cos nxt tue most prob cant... tink my bb 1 of e youngest ard here.. scare she scream on top of her voice when out. N her fart is super smelly lor..so paiseh if ppl tink is me farting. hahaha.
 
RE: YaoLan
My bb also sleep in yaolan but me tried to put her in bb cot at nite so mix better. And she ok wif it.

RE:pacifier
Me also give my bb pacifier but only when she is cracky and crying but she will spit it out when she fall asleep liao. Tink tis will soothe bb.
 
Cynthia,
2 years liao still cannot get good sleep? Faint.. I doubt I can tahan for 2 years wor.. Lol!

Veinz,
My girl is on pacificer, but my breasts are the best pacificer. Sometimes, she just want to suckle for comfort. When that happens and we give her the pacificer, she suck awhile and spit out bcos no milk comes out. -.o" When i left her suckle, she fell asleep shortly.

nss,
Ya, I m trying to tahan for as long as I can.

iamsnow,
Tat's why I m hestitant lor. I scare ss drops. Now the EBM very precious wor. I realised that it is very easy to get engorgement even when pump regularly and the engorgement can take a day to go away.
 
iamsnow, my baby is on EBM and I only pump 3 times a day. Morning, when i wake up, will get 3 bottles x 120 ml. Late afternoon, abt 5pm, also 3 bottles x 120ml. Before sleep, abt 10.30pm, 1 bottle x 120ml. Anything more will be 'bonus' milk for baby. If baby feeds only 6 times the previous day, then I will only pump 2 bottles during the 5pm pump but may store 130ml -140 ml instead. Hopefully by the time ML ends, I will pump at 6.30am, 6.30pm and 10.30pm, then dun have to pump during work. The pain is usually in the morning when waking up.

Star, note that you are going to quit once ur ML ends. Me too! Have you inform your boss? Or going to tender only when u go back to office?
 
hi nss

becos with the rider, you only need to pay 10% of the bill. so even if the bill is $500, you can still claim. as for aviva, even with the rider, you need to pay the first 1k to 3k depending on which ward before you can claim. so if bill is $500, you have to pay fully either cash or from your medisave acc.
 
Christina, CWP means Causeway point at woodlands. the North West or North and West Mummies thinking of meeting out there. You interested? Its ok to take leave and put baby at nanny's house. BTW, I am one good example during the period of only having #1. I always took leave to go shopping, makan, hairdo, etc. Dun feel bad. Will add you into the list.

Mrswrx, aiyo, baby farts is normal leh, even smelly one hor. Wat if all babies fart together everybody faint liao huh? hee, think of it seems funny. No prob, will add you in.
 
Update.

Buffet Gathering - Hi-Tea at Carousel@Royal Plaza on Scotts
Link: http://www.royalplaza.com.sg/carousel.php
http://wineanddine.asiaone.com/Wine%252CDine+%2526+Unwind/Reviews/Story/A1Story20070526-11976.html
Date: Either one of the days from 4th - 6th Aug
Time: 3.00 - 5.30pm
Price: Below $30.00 after all tax and discount (paiseh, yet to check. Just called them but no one answered phone).

Please let me know who is interested in this gathering and poll for the day preferred while I try to ask for the seating area and price before I update you all tomorrow.

1. Veniz (Anyday)
2. Priscilla (Anyday)
3. Jenny (Anyday)
4. Xris&Maia (4th Aug)
5. Cynthia (5th Aug onwards)
6. Christina (Anyday)
7. Mrswrx (4th/5th Aug)
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
 
Veniz,
i see so CWP is Causeway point, wow me so far from there. Really hope can meet up wif you all but need to see bb cough better anot cos dun 1 2 spread the virus to you all and yr bb also. I will confirm on sunday.
 
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yeah stil onz for the buffet gathering
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JP

yeah me staying at JW
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&amp; have 2 kids
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pls help me update the table.. thanks!

gathering at CWP

wow so many of u bo bring babies arh.. onli veniz?</font>
 
morr, ok, noted. Good wat, if the ladies no bring their babies, who is free can help me take care Vivienne lor, haha. I think nss will bring Jaret there and Fennie also bring her Jared. We all latch on babies when they want milk. You bringing Ashley or Ashton there?

Zuen, my gal sometimes want to sleep sucks on nipple, but if got milk flow out, she will break off coz it seems like telling me she is full, only want suckle without the milk flow. But sometimes milk flow out she still ok wor.
 
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i dunno yet leh.. i definitely cannot bring both.. if not i go there is to watch u all eat onli
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morr, come empty hand also good leh. Can shopping and buy things without bringing stroller or carry baby, etc. I will most probably take train there from home coz putting Vivi in her Maclaren stroller which I think she can sleep better in it. I go there via train will take around 45mins to 1 hour.
 


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