(2008/02) Feb 2008 MTBs

Kitsune & XY,
Both Stand and OCBC are fine to me. Like XY said, can do fund transfer for Stand and OCBC my MIL has special privilege to cut queue at our nearby bank. I have forgotten all about the eSAVER account. Better open one too.

iso,
It is all in your mind.
For couples with no kids, when they quarrel, they have nothing to hold them back, it can be fatal. They can easily end up divorce if there is no common undrstanding. Although they might have less tiffs, they might also lose their common topics and have lesser communication unless they have a common hobbies, interests and a group of common friends. I once learned of a literature poetry about "Mr and Mrs Smith". Not the movie starred by Angeline Jolie and Brad Pitts.
This couple never talk to each other for a very long time (in fact, they have forgotten that they know each other) until one day their television broke down and they finalize talk. to their surprise, they realize that they are in fact husband and wife. You might think this is funny, but it happens to many of us.
Forchildless couples, after honeymoon period are over, everything settles into routine. Many of my friends eventually find that having a kid will enrich your married life. But often when they realised it too late when some in their 40s, as a result, have difficult going through their pregnancy period or having diffcult conceiving or already reaching menopause. However, there are lucky couples who managed to have kids. Many only have one as they find it easier to handle. For many of us to have 2, we think for their future when we as a parent are old or not ard, at least they still have someone who are closer to them whom they are relay on for support.

With kids causes 'turbulence' it might or might not enhance the bonding between husband and wife.
Their thinking and relationship will grow in the progress of raising up a child. Although they quarrel, both want the best for their child. It makes the marriage long lasting.
They have common activities like bring kids to zoo or tutor or some enrichment class. Hv so many common topics about children that is why sometimes can end up quarreling. If couples still can do things on their own most of the times, I don't think the marriage can last long too. I seem these in many divorce friends too.

There are also 5 things to rem when quarreling.
1. Do not critise on one weakness.
2. Do not use affirmative words like you and me, your and my, always, etc.
3. Do not dig out history.
4. Do not built mental wall 心结.
5. If there is no ending to the conversation, have a break (cooling period).

Sorry for my long explanation as I'm not good in expressing in words.
 


blueginger
that makes sense, thank you for the reminder. i have a lot of friends who are childless, (like 75-80% of all of my friends??) or not even married, so i'm always wondering how different my life would be without kids, not that I don't want or love them, but on tough days it feels like the childless have such easy lives, and they are always occupying themselves with activities and hobbies.
 
I have many friends who are singles and available too. We can match-make them. Hahaha

Np. Sometimes, you will envy them as they are able to do what they want in life and they have the freedom whereas you are stuck with kids, who will make you angry at the same time gives you laughter. Hahaha.
 
bluegin,
agree with you on the 'holding back' part.
but then, there are more and more uncles/aunties seek for divorce when the kids grow up.
most importantly, it's to put in effort to maintain the relationship. do not take the husband/wife for granted.
this is something that i try very hard to learn.
i realise that i've been more and more rude to hb probably because it's because he's the person who's the closest to me. :p this is no good - trying hard to appreciate him more and treat him nicer... same for him. i always trying to remind him to treat me more politely and do not take me for granted.
 
Ya. me too. In the past, still can call hb nickname. Nowadays, just call him "ou".
He is such a nice guy. I'm sure he won't mind it at all. Hahaha~ You still remind him. This is a good one.
BTW, my hb said he will go and dig his old school mag the last time we met. He is still not doing it.
Are you interested in the following? http://www.juzmusic.com
They have trial class at $8
 
Hi mummies,

Very timely discussion. I just gave hb a hard time and he reminded me about this meaningful story that I shared with him when we were dating (he could actually remember...i'm impressed!)

Ajahn Brahmavamso's story of Two Bad Bricks from his book Who Ordered This Truckload Of Dung? is the inspirational story that human relationship should be built on. If you haven't read this book, the least you can do will be to read the story here.

"After we purchased the land for our monastery in 1983 we were broke. We were in debt. There were no buildings on the land, not even a shed. Those first few weeks we slept not on beds but on old doors we had bought cheaply from the salvage yard; we raised them on bricks at each corner to lift them off the ground. (There were no mattresses, of course — we were forest monks.)

"The abbot had the best door, the flat one. My door was ribbed with a sizeable hole in the center where the doorknob would have been. I joked that now I wouldn't need to get out of bed to go to the toilet! The cold truth was, however, that the wind would come up through that hole. I didn't sleep much those nights.

"We were poor monks who needed buildings. We couldn't afford to employ a builder — the materials were expensive enough. So I had to learn how to build: how to prepare the foundations, lay concrete and bricks, erect the roof, put in the plumbing — the whole lot. I had been a theoretical physicist and high-school teacher in lay life, not used to working with my hands. After a few years, I became quite skilled at building, even calling my crew the BBC ("Buddhist Building Company"). But when I started it was very difficult.

"It may look easy to lay a brick: a dollop of mortar underneath, a little tap here, a little tap there. But when I began laying bricks, I'd tap one corner down to make it level and another corner would go up. So I'd tap that corner down then the brick would move out of line. After I'd nudged it back into line, the first corner would be too high again. Hey, you try it!

"Being a monk, I had patience and as much time as I needed. I made sure every single brick was perfect, no matter how long it took. Eventually, I completed my first brick wall and stood back to admire it. It was only then that I noticed— oh no! — I'd missed two bricks. All the other bricks were nicely in line, but these two were inclined at an angle. They looked terrible. They spoiled the whole wall. They ruined it.

"By then, the cement mortar was too hard for the bricks to be taken out, so I asked the abbot if I could knock the wall down and start over again — or, even better, perhaps blow it up. I'd made a mess of it and I was very embarrassed. The abbot said no, the wall had to stay.

"When I showed our first visitors around our fledgling monastery, I always tried to avoid taking them past my brick wall. I hated anyone seeing it. Then one day, some three or four months after I finished it, I was walking with a visitor and he saw the wall.

" 'That's a nice wall,' he casually remarked.

" 'Sir,' I replied in surprise, 'have you left your glasses in your car? Are you visually impaired? Can't you see those two bad bricks which spoil the whole wall?'

"What he said next changed my whole view of that wall, of myself, and of many other aspects of life. He said, "Yes. I can see those two bad bricks. But I can see the 998 good bricks as well.'

"I was stunned. For the first time in over three months, I could see other bricks in that wall apart from the two mistakes. Above, below, to the left and to the right of the bad bricks were good bricks, perfect bricks. Moreover, the perfect bricks were many, many more than the two bad bricks. Before, my eyes would focus exclusively on my two mistakes; I was blind to everything else. That was why I couldn't bear looking at that wall, or having others see it. That was why I wanted to destroy it. Now that I could see the good bricks, the wall didn't look so bad after all. It was, as the visitor had said, 'a nice brick wall.' It's still there now, twenty years later, but I've forgotten exactly where those bad bricks are. I literally cannot see those mistakes any more.

"How many people end a relationship or get divorced because all they can see in their partner are 'two bad bricks'? How many of us become depressed or even contemplate suicide, because all we can see in ourselves are 'two bad bricks.' In truth, there are many, many more good bricks, perfect bricks — above, below, to the left and to the right of the faults — but at times we just can't see them. Instead, every time we look our eyes focus exclusively on the mistakes. The mistakes are all we see, they're all we think are there and so we want to destroy them. And sometimes, sadly, we do destroy a 'very nice wall.'

"We've all got our two bad bricks, but the perfect bricks in each one of us are much, much more than the mistakes. Once we see this, things aren't so bad. Not only can we live at peace with ourselves, inclusive of our faults, but we can also enjoy living with a partner. This is bad news for divorce lawyers, but good news for you.

"I have told this anecdote many times. After one occasion, a builder came up to me and told me a professional secret. 'We builders always make mistakes,' he said, 'But we tell our clients that it is "an original feature" with no other house in the neighborhood 1ike it. And then we charge them a couple of thousand dollars extra!'

"So the 'unique features' in your house probably started out as mistakes. In the same way, what you might take to be mistakes in yourself, in your partner, or in general, can become 'unique features,' enriching your time here — once you stop focusing on them exclusively."
 
Here's another related story from Ajahn Brahm

A newly married couple went for a walk together in a wood, one fine summer’s evening after dinner. They were having such a wonderful time being together until they heard a sound in the distance:

“Quack! Quack!”

“Listen,” said the wife, “That must be a chicken.”
“No, no. That was a duck,” said the husband.

“No, I’m sure that was a chicken,” she said.
“Impossible. Chickens go ‘Cock-a-doodle-doo,’ ducks go ‘Quack! Quack!’ That’s a duck, darling,” he said, with the first signs of irritation.

“Quack! Quack!” it went again.
“See! It’s a duck,” he said.
“No dear. That’s a chicken. I’m positive,” she asserted, digging in her heels.

“Listen wife! That—is—a—duck. D-u-c-k, duck! Got it?” he said angrily.
“But it’s a chicken,” she protested.
“It’s a friggin’ duck, you, you…”

And it went “Quack! Quack!” again before he said something he oughtn’t.
The wife was almost in tears. “But it’s a chicken.”

The husband saw the tears welling up in his wife’s eyes and, at last, remembered why he had married her. His face softened and he said gently, “Sorry, darling. I think you must be right. That is a chicken.”
“Thank you, darling,” she said and she squeezed his hand.

“Quack! Quack!” came the sound through the woods, as they continued their walk together in love.

The insight that the husband finally awakened to was this: Who cares whether it is a chicken or a duck? What was much more important was their harmony together, that they could enjoy their walk on such a fine summer’s evening. How many marriages are broken over unimportant matters? How many divorces cite “chicken or duck” stuff.

When we understand this story, we will remember our priorities. The marriage is more important than being right about whether it is a chicken or a duck. And besides, how many times have we been absolutely, certainly, and positively convinced we are right—only to find out later we were, in fact, totally wrong? Who knows? That could have been a genetically modified chicken made to sound like a duck!

(For the sake of gender equality and a peaceful life as a monk, each time I tell the story I usually switch around the one who says it’s a chicken and the one who says it’s a duck.)
 
bluegin,
i dun mind attending the trial for juzmusic.
it's a drum class right?

i asked my hb to dig out his year book too. guess he's quite lazy to do so. :p


garfield,
thanks for sharing..
 
Garfield, thanks for sharing. It serves a good reminder to me not to be too harsh with him too n dun insists that it's Chicken or duck hsha
 
XY,
Music class at their age are more on note rather than instrument. The class is like Staccato.

I saw the school magazine before. That was 10 years ago. Which class is your hb?

Garfield,
Thank you for the sharing. I had heard the first story from Ajahn Brahm many years back. There is another one about mosquitoes stinct when he was a young monk in Thailand.
Have you went for his talk most of the time or you had read his books?
 
Garfield,
Thanks for sharing. Very good story.

Well, I didn't try to prove being different or right. Just sharing my thought on 2nd story. For me, for certain things, I will go to check out whether it's duck or chicken. Even for me-ILs relationship. I believe that marriage with kids create lots of subjects for us to understand each other, each other's values, and converge. Not converge for harmony, converge for better values. Well, values change along the way, such as duck is genetically modified chicken, but at least we agree that THIS duck is genetically modified chicken. If we can't converge for the moment, we let one take his/her control a time.

For my ILs, it's difficult to converge within short timeframe. Now we converge to a solution that they try the way for some time, then followed by mine.

I often think of reading some books about marriage. But I never did it for the past 7 years of marriage. Hope that we passed 7 years' itchiness smoothly.
 
<font size="+2">9 things you shouldn't say to your child </font>

(Parenting.com) -- I was trying to do two things at once -- cook (in the kitchen) while deciphering some paperwork (in the next room). I'd been interrupted a thousand times with requests for snacks, shrieks over spilled paint water, questions about what squirrels like to eat, and arguments over whether clouds could be blue and flowers could be green. And did I mention that a ruptured disk in my back was throbbing even worse than my head?

Still, nothing can excuse my behavior that afternoon.

I erupted like Mount Momsuvius: "Enough! Get out! Stop bothering me!"

The look on my daughters' faces said it all. The 2-year-old's eyes widened. The 4-year-old furrowed her brow and jabbed her thumb between her lips. Immediately I wished I could stuff the hot-lava words back into my mouth. They certainly hadn't come from my heart, or my brain.

We all say the wrong thing sometimes, leaving our kids feeling hurt, angry, or confused. Read on for some of the most common verbal missteps moms and dads make, and kinder, gentler alternatives:

'Leave me alone!'

A parent who doesn't crave an occasional break is a saint, a martyr, or someone who's so overdue for some time alone she's forgotten the benefits of recharging.

Trouble is, when you routinely tell your kids, "Don't bother me" or "I'm busy," they internalize that message, says Suzette Haden Elgin, Ph.D., founder of the Ozark Center for Language Studies, in Huntsville, Arkansas.

"They begin to think there's no point in talking to you because you're always brushing them off." If you set up that pattern when your children are small, then they may be less likely to tell you things as they get older.

From infancy, kids should get in the habit of seeing their parents take time for themselves. Use pressure-release valves -- whether signing up with a babysitting co-op, trading off childcare with your partner or a friend, or even parking your child in front of a video so that you can have half an hour to relax and regroup.

At those times when you're preoccupied (or overstressed, as I was when I exploded at my girls), set up some parameters in advance. I might have said, "Mom has to finish this one thing, so I need you to paint quietly for a few minutes. When I'm done, we'll go outside."

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Just be realistic. A toddler and a preschooler aren't likely to amuse themselves for a whole hour.

'You're so...'

Labels are shortcuts that shortchange kids: "Why are you so mean to Katie?" Or "How could you be such a klutz?" Sometimes kids overhear us talking to others: "She's my shy one."

Young children believe what they hear without question, even when it's about themselves. So negative labels can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Thomas gets the message that meanness is his nature. "Klutzy" Sarah begins to think of herself that way, undermining her confidence. Even labels that seem neutral or positive -- "shy" or "smart" -- pigeonhole a child and place unnecessary or inappropriate expectations on her.

The worst ones cut dangerously deep. Many a parent can still vividly, and bitterly, remember when her own parent said something like "You're so hopeless" (or "lazy" or "stupid").

A far better approach is to address the specific behavior and leave the adjectives about your child's personality out of it. For example, "Katie's feelings were hurt when you told everyone not to play with her. How can we make her feel better?"

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'Don't cry'

Variations: "Don't be sad." "Don't be a baby." "Now, now -- there's no reason to be afraid." But kids do get upset enough to cry, especially toddlers, who can't always articulate their feelings with words. They do get sad. They do get frightened.

"It's natural to want to protect a child from such feelings," says Debbie Glasser, Ph.D., director of Family Support Services at the Mailman Segal Institute for Early Childhood Studies at Nova Southeastern University, in Fort Lauderdale. "But saying 'Don't be' doesn't make a child feel better, and it also can send the message that his emotions aren't valid -- that it's not okay to be sad or scared."

Rather than deny that your child feels a particular way -- when he obviously does -- acknowledge the emotion up front.

"It must make you really sad when Jason says he doesn't want to be your friend anymore." "Yes, the waves sure can be scary when you're not used to them. But we'll just stand here together and let them tickle our feet. I promise I won't let go of your hand."

By naming the real feelings that your child has, you'll give him the words to express himself -- and you'll show him what it means to be empathetic. Ultimately, he'll cry less and describe his emotions instead.

'Why can't you be more like your sister?'

It might seem helpful to hold out a sibling or friend as a shining example. "Look how well Sam zips his coat," you might say. Or "Jenna's using the potty already, so why can't you do that too?" But comparisons almost always backfire. Your child is herself, not Sam or Jenna.

It's natural for parents to compare their kids, to look for a frame of reference about their milestones or their behavior, say experts.

But don't let your child hear you doing it. Kids develop at their own pace and have their own temperament and personality. Comparing your child to someone else implies that you wish yours were different.

Nor does making comparisons help change behavior. Being pressured to do something she's not ready for (or doesn't like to do) can be confusing to a little kid and can undermine her self-confidence. She's also likely to resent you and resolve not to do what you want, in a test of wills.

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Instead, encourage her current achievements: "Wow, you put both arms in your coat all by yourself!" Or "Thanks for telling me your diaper needs changing."

'You know better than that!'

Like comparisons, quick gibes can sting in ways parents never imagine. For one thing, a child actually may not have known better. Learning is a process of trial and error. Did your child really understand that a heavy pitcher would be hard to pour from? Maybe it didn't seem that full, or it was different from the one he's successfully poured from by himself at preschool.

And even if he made the same mistake just yesterday, your comment is neither productive nor supportive. Give your child the benefit of the doubt, and be specific. Say "I like it better if you do it this way, thank you."

Similar jabs include "I can't believe you did that!" and "It's about time!" They may not seem awful, but you don't want to say them too much. They add up, and the underlying message kids hear is: "You're a pain in the neck, and you never do anything right."

'Stop or I'll give you something to cry about!'

Threats, usually the result of parental frustration, are rarely effective. We sputter warnings like "Do this or else!" or "If you do that one more time, I'll spank you!"

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The problem is that sooner or later you have to make good on the threat or else it loses its power. Threats of hitting have been found to lead to more spanking -- which itself has been proven to be an ineffective way to change behavior.

The younger a child is, the longer it takes for a lesson to sink in. "Studies have shown that the odds of a two-year-old's repeating a misdeed later in the same day are eighty percent no matter what sort of discipline you use," says Murray Straus, Ph.D., a sociologist at the University of New Hampshire's Family Research Lab.

Even with older kids, no discipline strategy yields surefire results right off the bat every time. So it's more effective to develop a repertoire of constructive tactics, such as redirection, removing the child from the situation, or time-outs, than it is to rely on those with proven negative consequences, including verbal threats and spanking.

'Wait till daddy gets home!'

This familiar parenting cliché is not only another kind of threat, it's also diluted discipline. To be effective, you need to take care of a situation immediately yourself.

Discipline that's postponed doesn't connect the consequences with your child's actions. By the time the other parent gets home, it's likely that your child will actually have forgotten what she did wrong. Alternately, the agony of anticipating a punishment may be worse than what the original crime deserved.

Passing the buck to someone else also undermines your authority. "Why should I listen to Mom if she's not going to do anything anyway?" your child may reason. Not least, you're putting your partner in an undeserved bad-cop role.

'Hurry up!'

Who in this world of back-to-back appointments, overbooked schedules, sleep deficits, and traffic snarls hasn't uttered these immortal words?

Certainly every parent whose toddler can't find his shoes or blankie or who's blissfully oblivious of anything but putting on his socks "all by self!" has. Consider, though, your tone of voice when you implore a child to hurry, and how often you say it.

If you're starting to whine, screech, or sigh every day, with your hands on your hips and your toes tapping, beware. There's a tendency when we're rushed to make our kids feel guilty for making us rush. The guilt may make them feel bad, but it doesn't motivate them to move faster.

"It got so hectic at my house in the mornings, I hated that the last image my kids had of me was being angry," says family therapist Paul Coleman, author of "How to Say It to Your Kids." "So I made a pact with myself. No matter what, I wouldn't yell or roll my eyes even if someone spilled their Cheerios or asked me to find something just as we were heading out."

Rather than hectoring ("I told you to turn off that TV five minutes ago!"), he looks for calm ways to speed things along (he turns off the set himself).

'Great job!" or "Good girl!'

What could possibly be wrong with praise? Positive reinforcement, after all, is one of the most effective tools a parent has. The trouble comes in when the praise is vague and indiscriminate.

Tossing out "Great job!" for every little thing your child does -- from finishing his milk to drawing a picture -- becomes meaningless. Kids tune it out. They can also tell the difference between praise for doing something rote or simple and praise for a real effort.

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To get out of the habit of such effusiveness:

• Praise only those accomplishments that require real effort. Finishing a glass of milk doesn't cut it. Neither does drawing a picture, if your child is the kind who makes dozens of them every day.

• Be specific. Instead of "Beautiful job," say, "What bright, happy colors you picked for the dog's spots." Or "I see you drew a picture of the story that we read this morning."

• Praise the behavior rather than the child: "You were so quiet with your puzzle while I was finishing that paperwork, just like I asked."

How much nicer if I'd said that to my daughters instead of transforming into a spewing volcano. Luckily, I'm sure to get another opportunity tomorrow.
 
glad mummies enjoyed the stories. i have to admit i tend to forget especially when i'm in a bad mood or argument. so have to do a better job of constantly reminding myself of the important priorities.

blue gin,
i used to attend his talks with hubby (before kids) and also read his book. i should resume attending his talks. he's a really good speaker. and when i listen to his stories - i always feel more enlightened, more awakened, and much happier and at peace with myself and the world.
 
XY,
I like the last part on 'Great job!" or "Good girl!'

Remind me of the seminar we attended together about over-praised the children.
I had applied praising on my children behaviour recently. It seem to work.

I can imagine big C and small C's expression. Hahaha~
When I feel like blowing up, I will remind myself to avoid doing it in front of them. Taking 3 deep deep breathe work for me, you can try. Otherwise, let out in another room and presence with a smile face when you are back to face the children.

Garfield,
ya. Me too. I feel englighten, happy and peaceful only for a short while, then back to square one. Might need to attend more talks to really get enlighten, I guess my character too stubborn. Hahaha~
We can go together next time.
 
Hi moms,

MIL is so guilty of "Wait til daddy gets home!". She just wants to be the popular one around the house. She does it even in front of us and gets an earful from hb. Sometimes, I can't take it, I will say "mom, dun use me in front of the kids."

I'm guilty of "hurry up". Sigh....dunno how to stop myself...even if we wake up earlier, start everything earlier, pack the bags night before, will still end up with a "we're late, we're late". Must contrl myself.
 
bluegin,
think back about the talk, it's not bad afterall. can't 'digest' it to well immediately after the talk. read this:
http://www.xiyaofund.org.hk/web/word/0008.htm

it helps to 'digest' further.

these are happening very often:
'You're so...'
'Don't cry'
'Stop or I'll give you something to cry about!'
'Great job!" or "Good girl!'

i suffered a lot from this: 'Why can't you be more like your sister?' that's why don't like to use it on my kids. however, the grandparents tend to use it very often.
 
Hi, Garfield/blueginger,

which one of Ajahn Brahmavams books you recommend, if I wish to read only one book about marriage/relationship? I am thinking to borrow po bronson's '"Why Do I Love These People?": Understanding, Surviving, and Creating Your Own Family '. The same author wrote nutureShock. My brother's marriage is close to divorce. I am trying to read more, to help him understand more if possible. But I often gave up the efforts since he's so far away.

Xiao yun,
Seems that I said all these to kids, almost daily. Some I feel guilty immediately, some I don't know what's better way. These except the last one are more of Asian way. Thanks for sharing.
 
XY, bluegin
i think maybe when we have children they sometimes naturally take priority, so we are much less attentive to our spouses. sometimes i'm so tired looking after the small boys i really don't feel like putting in any effort to look after the big one!

gar
lovely stories, thanks for sharing!

i think we all need reminders ever so often, whether it's on our relationship with our spouses, or with the kids, it's good to be reminded. Change is never easy, but at least we are trying to change? Or at least that's what I tell myself... Every day try not to lose patience with E (who seems to be getting more whiney and clingy), but so often fail. At least I get to try again tomorrow
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juzmusic
i don't mine going if i can make it!
 
XY,
thanks for sharing! i am guilty of many of the above
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Bluegin, Iso,
Ya, need frequent reminders. I think, sometimes we need friends to help remind us too. So we can share if we are facing any rough patches with hubby here in the forum, and give each other support. Very often, we may be too caught up with the "bad bricks" that we need our friends to lift us out of the negative viewpoint to focus on the 998 good bricks.

Tubao,
Sorry to hear about your brother. I recommend the book "Opening the Door of Your Heart". If you have the chance, listen to Ajahn Brahm in person.
 
Marriage

I will celebrate 10 years next year. How time flies. In the early years of marriage, we were happy enjoying life overseas. Parents kept asking us to have kids but we were able to happily avoid by staying overseas. But by year 5, I started to feel a little bit empty, wondering what we were trying to achieve and who we are working so hard for. Partly biological clock ticking, partly also feeling there's something more to life than just two of us. I think that marriage with kids has a different tone and texture. A friend of mine asked me, when you are walking with kids, do you hold your kids' hands or spouse's hands? I said of cos hold kids' hands lah. He said no, you are wrong. Always hold your spouse's hands because when the kids grow up, your hand will be empty. By then, may be too late to hold your spouse's hand.
 
Thanks, Garfield. Will check out the book. Next time, We---blueginger, you and me can go for Ajahn Brahm's talk together.

For my brother, quite sad. Both my parents and I don't know what went wrong.

bkk,
Exactly, one of my gal friends warned me the exact thing about holding hands.
 
bkk,
wow...milestone! should throw a celebration
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re holding hands, i insist on holding hands with hubby cos i keep telling him - i don't want to become JUST the mother of your kids...i am first and foremost, your wife!

tubao,
yes let's go together next time. for your brother, maybe not too late. have a chat with him, share story of the 2 bad bricks. maybe can still save the relationship (hoping no 3rd party involved then easier).
 
Tubao,
I will recommend Ajahn Brahm book "Opening the Door of Your Heart" too.
But a more appropriate book for marriage couple is " 5 love languages"
http://www.5lovelanguages.com/learn-the-languages/the-five-love-languages/
Let me check with my BF friend when is Ajahn Brahm next talk in Singapore.

Iso,
Sure. Will update you on Juzmusic schedule for Parkway Centre.

XY,
these are the phrase I often use:
'Don't cry'
'Don't vomit'
'Stop or I'll give you chilli!'
'Great job!" or "Good girl!' or 'Excellent'
'Hurry up' Feb mummies know best, as I had rarely attended function without being late. Hahahah~

Garfield,
Yap. One, must share with us, like Iso did. otherwise how to remind of the 998 good bricks.

Bkk,
Congratulation. 10 years of marriage not easy.
I usually will hold one of kids' hands, channet will hold shenon's hand and hb will hold's one of their kids. In this way, we will walk in a row of 4. Your friend is right, but I will rather hold the kids' hands for safety purposes at this age.
 
bkkgal,
congrats! 10 years is a big milestone.

gar/xy,
thanks for sharing... it's good to read stories like this from time to time as a reminder and use it to reflect upon ourselves
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re:marriage,
I do believe we need to keep the romance alive even with kids around... Not to say we are a very romantic couple sort so when i say romance, it will be just in terms of spending time together (just 2 of us) and heart to heart talk... Am quite lucky that my office and hb's office is nearby so we like to do lunch dates at least once a week plus we get to go to work and go home together during weekdays... while weekend both of us will be fully dominated by C and once you have the kids around, very easy to forget about spouse's presence because your focus is on the kids...
 
re:Marriage,

It's even more difficult to bring up kids. Kids can be better than us, hopefully at age 20+. When we still provide them love and good food, they still love us back. But for couple, no matter how much communication was done, how much efforts was devoted; there's value difference, there's expectation not met.

Last time I feel that I was centre of universe for my hubby. But after E was born, my hubby's hp is full of E's photos&amp; videos. None of mine. I protested, asked, many times. He ignored me. So now I just told him that there's beauty in me, I tolerate your ignorance and let him foot my bills of clothes shopping. Haha..... hope that pain of paying big bills will make him feel less granted of me.
 
My newly divorce friend told me that her dd, 8 years old sticks to her closely recently. TOW of her daddy told her dd that she is going to have a baby with her Daddy soon. Now her dd felt so insecure tt she will say "Mummy want to enjoy herself" whenever my friend left her dd at parent's place even when she need to go off for work.
 
re: Marriage.
Maybe my description is not clear. I mean that even for 2 bad bricks, I will think of reasons behind 2 bad bricks and try to improve it over the time while tolerating them.

Some of my gal friends doesn't quite agree with my approach, told me that they would rather accept a less perfect husband as long as he doesn't have affair. A good husband who understands wife's needs and wants will be popular. I told them that I won't hesitate to divorce, even at age 80, if principle needs to be compromised. My friends laughed at me "the same old strong girl."

For my hubby, I am very grateful of him being very responsible, hands-on and soft person. Haha....best decision I made in my life so far.
 
iso,
yes. when i am so tired looking after them, i don't expect to have 1 more son to look after. instead, i wish to have someone to take care of me. however, that's so unlikely to happen.
when this thought comes, i wonder why should i marry this 'son'?


bkk,
wow.. 10 years..
time flies, isn't it?
mine is going to be 'itchy' next year. :p
 
Tubao,

But but what if the 2 bricks' flaws are "genetic" i.e. cannot change no matter what? Actually I am also strong like you. I told hb before - if it's an affair, I am not one of those women who will hang on for the sake of children.

XY,
ah...7 years eh? must spend more time to cultivate the relationship ok? Actually, I found that having kids brought a lot of challenges to our marriage that we worked to overcome. At the 6 year mark of mine, we still had no kids, no challenges. Everyday just thinking where to eat dinner next, every year thinking where to holiday at. Challenges make us stronger, discovered more things about me and about him. Some qualities which I saw as bad bricks turned out to be quite good bricks and vice versa.
 
bkkgal,

yes, yes. After many years, bad bricks become good bricks, and numourous good bricks add up due to kids. So initially maybe 30 bad bricks, 70 good bricks, Now I feel 10 bad bricks, 140 good bricks.

Haha...'genetic'....good point. My brother and I asked my parents a few times what's our strong points and weak points, at different point of my life. Either of my parents tell each of us only strong points, never mention weak points. Some weak points can disappear through hard work naturally if we need to perfect ourselves , for the moment don't take into heart.

My husband is creative type; while I am analytical one for the past 7 years. We both have interest to solve problems. We don't know what's going to be our next stage for our combo style. Pray hard, pray hard.
 
Hi XY &amp; Iso,

The Juz Music trial class:
For Junior Playtime class (2.5 yrs and up)
This sat 1030~1115 or 1130~1215

For Junior Discovery (1.5 yrs and up)
This sat 1045~1130

Let me know if you are free to attend.

Tongtong,
Thank you for your feedback.

I discovered another new things about my hb last weekend.
We help a friend to shift his house. This was terrible, we spent a full day to clear most, not all the things. They are 5 carseats, 4 strollers, 2 rocking horse, 3 kitchenette, 100 pairs of shoes and tonnes of clothings for their one and only daughter who is turning 2. Basically, they need a full 20-ft container to hold all their stuffs in their hse. This is due to his wife n mother over-spending.
I used to have the urge to buy things for my gals, but I was stopped by hb everytime we went shopping together. At that time, I was so unhappy with him, now I can see that it is a good thing not to overstock your hse with rubbish.
 
bluegin/iso,
which branch are we going?
Tanglin? Parkway?

Junior Discovery (1.5 years old &amp; above)
In the Junior Discovery program, children are involved in the study of music as they explore long and short sounds (rhythm), high and low sounds (pitch), patterns of sound (form), loud and soft sounds (dynamics) etc.

In addition, the children develop musical skills such as singing, listening, playing instruments (percussion), creating, and become familiar with music symbols, and are introduced to rhythm, aural skills, recognition of keys, perfect pitch and musical perception. This is done through the use of keyboard, educational toys, percussion instruments, flash cards and other interesting aids.

Through group singing of songs, your child learns to sing in tune. Musical exploration is continued as they are led by the teacher in activities such as listening, moving and dancing to songs and musical recordings, as well as other creative activities.

The children will also be introduced to famous composers and their representative works as well as various musical instruments - how they look and sound.

The activities and our environment also develops your child’s cognitive, language, emotional, social and motor skills.

Each session is 45 minutes and parents/guardian are to come into the class and share their children's joy of learning every session.


Junior playtime (2.5 years old &amp; above)
Junior Playtime is a continuation of the teaching concepts from Junior Discovery.

We progress to introduce note reading, rhythm, aural skills, recognition of keys, pitch singing, perfect pitch, musical perception, and memory training. Further aural training includes dictation and sight singing. This is done through the use of keyboards, musical toys, percussion instruments, flash cards and other interesting aids.

Students will also start learning how to play the keyboard and read simple scores.

The program prepares your child for further musical studies, and this early exposure helps them tremendously, as it enhances their self-expression, confidence, motor skills, creativity and IQ development. More importantly, we make music fun and entertaining, thus laying the right foundation for their future musical learning journey.

The activities and our environment also develops your child’s cognitive, language, emotional, social and motor skills.

Each session is 45 minutes and parents/guardian are to come into the class and share their children's joy of learning every session.
 
blueginger, keke, I'm not as jialat as your friend but getting close. The gals have 2 big ikea toy cabinets plus 2 toyogo boxes of toys and 2 bicycles, 2 tricyle/push off riders, 1 big kitchenette, one small kitchenette and 1 bookshelf full of books including some new unopened ones kept in the storeroom. This excludes the other toys are MIL place. Sigh, bo bian, both hubby and I are deprived as kids so we tend to overbuy esp when it comes to toys we always wanted to have as kids. :p

blueginger, XY, I'm keen in Juzmusic Junior Discovery if the trial is at Parkway. Raelynn likes music a lot but yamaha only starts music appreciation from 3 yrs onwards. Think I should let her try. RL has never been to any trials compared to Cheh Cheh, poor thing. :p

Xy, how's the adjustment like for hubby to work on weekends? I'll also have to work through weekends soon. Hubby have tuition assignments on weekends too. Think my kids are going to be very deprived. RA just complained yesterday that she doesn't want to go ah ma house (my mum's place), she wants to go shopping. We haven't brought them shopping for a long time cos weekends always too busy. :p
 
XY
you are so good with finding information! LOL.
BTW when pple ask if I'm going to have another kid, I tell them, I already have 3 boys! But you are so so right, I guess after a hard day's work, hubby wants to be pampered, but after a hard day work for ME, I just want to be left alone and not have to look after ANOTHER kid!

bkk
i was exactly thinking that, with no kids, every day just think about what to do or where to go! But i like what you said about discovering good things.. Think (heightened with tiredness) I've been thinking too much about the bad bricks.
 
pauline,
so far not that bad for my hb. only meet client once in a while on weekends.
partly because he manage to squeeze in most of the appointments during weekdays, or he doesn't have enough clients to meet. (LOL - got friend introduce or not?)

we are always quite lobo on weekends too. apart from going to swimming, that's rest at home.
currently enrolled #1 with the Sunday morning class, so now she's not too bored at home.
long time didn't bring her out shopping liao - cannot tahan her 'i want...' phenomenon when outside shopping. :p
 
pauline,
i guess ur job will be more 'happening' on the weekends.
i remember that time my agent 'entertain' us on the weekday nights till 10pm+ plus weekends too..
but 1 deal can cover 1 month's job salary loh.
jiayou jiayou!!


iso,
copy and paste and click google. very easy one... :p
 
*so bored at work..
1 project completed. 1 project stucked.. boss can't remove the roadblock..
now picking up colleagues spill over tasks... :p
 
XY,
Parkway. Oh Ok. If you want to go, we can fetch you and the children this sat. Actually, I prefer this sun, but they do't hv class on sunday yet. Bored on weekend? Are you interested to bring the kids to Pasir Ris Park Playground. Nv been there before.

Pauline,
RaeAnne took up Yahama class? Sure. Take note.

ISO,
Are you ok with class this sat?


Shenon woked up in the middle of the night to bang at the coridor and said "Gei Gei" sometimes.
It is not dream-walk. I will point to the sky and tell her.
"It is so dark outside, Shopping mall not opening yet. Now go back to sleep."

Guess my MIL had brought them shopping since Channet's school is near Century Sq.
 
XY, think all my friend 'elang' after they heard that I am a property agent. I am very free now. hehe.

blueginger, yup, she has yamaha music wonderland from 12noon to 1245pm on Sats. Actually I prefer earlier morning class but dun have. :p

Iso, Hmm... it's opposite for me, when my hubby comes back, I want him to chit chat with me or watch a show with me but he is always too tired to entertain me and will ko or mark his books. Maybe I'm the 3rd kid? :p
 
Bluegin
I"m interested in the trial too! But which day are you going for? If sunday, I can't. If sat, only 1130 am class for junior playtime.

Throwing out junk
Oh, I"m getting really stressy here cos my landlord gonna up the rent and I have to move soon. CANNOT. IMAGINE. AMOUNT OF JUNK. CANNOT.
Not as bad as your bluegin's friend but oh, I came back from Thailand with a 20 ft container. Two kids later, maybe 40 ft??? shiiiitttt....*bites nails*
 
hi ladies!

it's been a while...busy adjusting at new work place and new place not conducive to surf forum at work (yet).

Junk/over buying
Haha, i'm guilty of this... i just loveeeee buying kiddy utensils/plates/water bottles - basically all those kiddy plastic ware. same as kitsune, i felt deprived as a kid now i'm over indulging. problem is, i have a son and he doesn't really care what plate/bowl he uses to eat or whether his untensils matches his bowl. so it's only to satisfy ME. heh.
i cleared out my wardrobe last weekend...tot i threw out half my clothes but my wardrobe is still 80% full...! can imagine previously was squashed-to-max-all-clothes-crumpled-can't-find-anything situation lor.
 
bluegin... thanks for sharing the link on juzmusic,wish i can join u all for the trial too but cant make it this sat. Let us noe how it goes.

Pauline.. how does RA find the yamaha course, i wanted to sign up for this term but they insit i signed her up for 3 yrs - 3 yrs 5 mths and i thot its a waste since she is already 3 yr 5 mths now and i have to purchase 6 mths materials.. so have to sign her up later. Actually i prefer sending her to other music schs but she is not independent enuff yet so still nds to go for acc class. G has been "classless" for quite a while over the weekends.. feels kinda weird but yet at the same time enjoy the free time that we have.

Gar, thanks for sharing the articles.. i am definitely guilty of the bad bricks.. and its more than 2 that i saw.. hmm.. go to wrk hard on this aspect..
 
Piglettail, are you a tupperware fan like me? ;) I used to buy a lot but bo bian got to stop cos my kitchen cabinet ran out of space. :p

bkkgal, didn't know you were renting your place. I thought you bought a new place so that you can walk to work. If the increment is not a lot, maybe better to just pay the difference than to face the hassle of moving plus you have no maid to help out this time. This place is very near your workplace right?

My family used to stay in a rental flat near town but inflation will cause the prop prices to shoot up by so much that we had to move to the suburbs cos the prices of flats are much cheaper there compared to Queenstown &amp; Bukit Merah. After this lesson, I really put great value in owning a property, even if it's just a hdb flat. :p

Genice, Gar was asking me about yamaha too. Basically, RA still fights with me half of the time about going for music class. She rather go to Toy r us to turn capsule toys or go shopping. But when she is there, she seems ok except when the teacher asks them to go to the front to sing or dance or listen to story, she will still insist on me accompanying her. We just bought new books, think it will last for another half a year. You should be able to join now bah.

Anyway, will see how lessons are affected when I start working on weekends. Hubby may have to accompany her, hope she doesn't give him a hard time or he may just decide to stop her lessons. :p
 



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