IVF/ICSI Support Group

Babymaking,
Was yours a 3-day embryo? I thot usually KKH practises 2-day? In any case, I personally feel that we should try our best to maintain a pregnancy until we get medical confirmation that it's not viable. I guess the main question to ask yourself should be, whether u choose to continue the jabs or not, will you would regret it in future? Cos later on, you wouldn't want to look back and say, i shld have done this or that... You know what I mean? Sorry if I sound very naggy...
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maplebabies

sorry to have to ask you this, when you went for your beta test, what was the actual beta reading? btw did your AF appeared?

i am having bad cramps but no sign of bleeding.
 
Frankly, Babymaking, i didnt even pay attention to the nurse so i cant remember already. Sorry. My AF is over le.

Hey, you transferred a day 2 embryo (ie. ER today, rest on Tues, ET on wed so considered day 2 embryo when ET)? How many cells were there already?
 
Chevall,

Yes, its me that Dr Zou is mentioning. Actually i'm on 2 mth of acup, the 1st mth was not with her and on top of that i'm on TCM for 6 mths.

Babymaking,

Whether or not the nurses at KKH are just "entertaining" you but i feel at least you have come so far and all the suffering that you went through, its worth to just hang on a few more days. We wont know how our body will react and sometime the embryo might catch up growing, at least you are doing your best to save the embryo.

Let me quote a case of these 2 ladies from another thread, both tested positive post ET D11, the 1st one with a reading of hcg standing at 43 and the other standing at 468. And the one with a lower reading is carrying her baby in her arm last mth and the higher reading had a miscarriage at week 7. What i know is that the higher hcg, it shows that the embryo is stable and the miscarriage rate is lower but it seems not to be in this case. So sometime it is not up to us to predict, why dont you get advise from Dr before making decision.

As for the D5 transfer, it really depend on case to case as the risk invovled is too high and sometime you might end up with no embryo for transfer as most embryo wont survice in the lab for more than 3 days. I have ask my Dr (GEH) that question and they dont practice that but i'm consider lucky to have one frozen D5 embryo (blastocyst). On my ET day, dr told me that i'm left with 3 better ones out of 8 fertilized but they will continue to monitor. And it came as a surprise to me when doc called me on D6 and told me out of the 5, 1 managed to outgrow and survive.
 
Actually i agree with you that day 2 transfer is alittle too early. Should wait until near day 3 or 4 then transfer cos an embryo that can develope that far tend to be viable and more likely to continue growing and implant. But KKIVF transfer at day 2 and thats it, they washed their hands off us and basically what happens after that is not their responsibility when they could have monitored the embryo growth more and then transfer the most viable ones. In any case, for IVF, a good lab is very important. But i feel KKIVF very bureacratic and wont share much info from the lab. Wait till i see Dr Loh again and see if my impression will change.
 
Chevall,

Yes, its me that Dr Zou is mentioning. Actually i'm on 2 mth of acup, the 1st mth was not with her and on top of that i'm on TCM for 6 mths.

Babymaking,

Whether or not the nurses at KKH are just "entertaining" you but i feel at least you have come so far and all the suffering that you went through, its worth to just hang on a few more days. We wont know how our body will react and sometime the embryo might catch up growing, at least you are doing your best to save the embryo.

Let me quote a case of these 2 ladies from another thread, both tested positive post ET D11, the 1st one with a reading of hcg standing at 43 and the other standing at 468. And the one with a lower reading is carrying her baby in her arm last mth and the higher reading had a miscarriage at week 7. What i know is that the higher hcg, it shows that the embryo is stable and the miscarriage rate is lower but it seems not to be in this case. So sometime it is not up to us to predict, why dont you get advise from Dr before making decision.

As for the D5 transfer, it really depend on case to case as the risk invovled is too high and sometime you might end up with no embryo for transfer as most embryo wont survice in the lab for more than 3 days. I have ask my Dr (GEH) that question and they dont practice that but i'm consider lucky to have one frozen D5 embryo (blastocyst). On my ET day, dr told me that i'm left with 3 better ones out of 8 fertilized but they will continue to monitor. And it came as a surprise to me when doc called me on D6 and told me out of the 5, 1 managed to outgrow and survive.
 
oopss sorry for the double posting.

4 cell embroyo which is considered Day 2. it's great that your AF is over already, that way can move on. i am dreading prolonging the process. having been through it twice in different circumstances and AF lasted weeks after the loss is very terrible.

petals, i understand your reasoning and don;t worry, you are not being naggy. i went though that same thought process as well.


will discuss with hubby before deciding what to do. in fact hubby recommends that we stop all jabs because continuting the jabs will only prolong the pain and delay AF.
 
I guess we are clinging on to the idea that at least urs was a positive, so still have hope. As opposed to a direct negative result where u know u can't do much to rectify it.
 
hehe petals, i guess i rather have a direct negative so that i can out this behind me and move on.

being a little bit pregnant is worse as there is so much uncertainty involved.

my last 2 pregnancies were like that, and both are extremely painful processes, it was an agonising 4-6 weeks wait from testing positive before both ended.
 
Theresa,

Congrates !!! ur hard work is being paid off. so happy for u !! take care and remeber to keep us update.

How many embryos did u transfer? I had blastocyst transfer too, but sadly it din survive in me.
 
Babymaking, sorry i did not follow about your past pregnancies experience. however, reading what you wrote about this particular cycle, your injections, side effects, your ER experience, you have really gone through much much more than many ladies here to reach this stage. Being positive at all times is very important. The fact that we decided on IVF is to convince ourselves that we have tried all means to conceive. So, you are very close to reaching your goal, and by giving up now seems such a waste to your past effort. As a third party reading this, I would think the logical thing to do seems to be to listen to the Dr's advice, and hang on to whatever possible (i.e carry on with injection). Afterall, what is 4 more days compared to the 1.5months that you have gone through...

However, i also understand it is not an easy decision to make as you have gone through unpleasant experiences. so i guess i would like to share you on these:
1) whatever decisions you are going to make, it has to be done together with your hubby and both of you must agree on the same decision.
2) Bear in mind always that regardless the final outcome, you need to know that you will not look back to regret on your decision.

All the best and pls keep us posted.

Rammy, Needlephobia, all the best for your ER tomorrow.

nano, hope your pregnyl is alright too and all the best for your ER on wed.

Apologise for the long post. see you all after my ER tomorrow.
 
hi. ladies

thanks for ur well wishes. wil b going to see Dr Loh tmr to see them again. so far has nt seen them moving yet, i guess it's still too early. but in week 8 scan, i can hear their heartbeat already, fast n strong. Dr Loh said they r all healthy babies. wil see how big they r tmr.
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well, i din do acu or tcm at all b4 starting of ivf treatment. was on 3 wks leave frm ER til D17 post ET. ate 2 eggs per day, to reduce my bloatedness n to support embryos growth as well. for those r still trying, just want to say, never giv up until u hav a veri clear 'NO".

actually tested +ve doesnt mean u can sit back n relax. until we hold our healthy babies in our arm, there r still endless worries along e road. we must keep our spirit up, e embryos only then hav confidence to stay.

babymaking

talk to ur embryos, encourage them to stay. dun giv up. u wil never knw this tiny dot fighting for his life inside ur womb! cont with all e meds n monitor urself closely, hav maximum bedrest, giv ur embryo ur best support. we r all here with u! jiayou!!
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Went for my pregnyl jab just now. Thank God, I dun find it painful and I dun have any sore feeling at the injection site. Phew!

Rammy, Michelle, Needlephobia,
May all of you have a smooth ER tomorrow!

Babymaking,
I don't have any gd advice to offer, just hope everything will be fine at yr end, take care.
 
hi gals

just as suspected, the nurses were just 'entertaining' the idea of being pregnant, when we spoke to SF Loh this morning, he was definite that the cycle has failed.

i am thankful to all of you who have posted, esp to michelle, petals and theresa and all who posted encouragement.

there is no definite reason why the cycle didn;t worked. can start FET protocol after the next AF. It's time to move on.

does anyone know how much does FET costat KKH IVF?
 
Hi babymaking,
Don't be too upset. At least, now you know where you are and move on from here. I've gone thru the same thing as you, and agree, I will rather have a direct negative. The last time where my HCG level was low, I cling on till week 8 before I gave up. It was tough esp when you have to go for a D&C till that time. So, on the positive side, at least is over for you and you can start afresh now. Jia you okie!!!
 
Hi Babymaking, sorry to hear of your failed cycle. Hope you stay positive, and stay that way till your FET. At least for FET, you do not need to go through injections and ER... all the best to you.

Hi ladies, just came back from my ER. it was quite alright, din feel any pain or giddyness etc.. i had 15 eggs retrieved. dun feel tired also but am trying to get some sleep now... Nano, dun have to worry, you dun feel any pain during ER and it was over very quickly...

Needlephobia, nice to see you there.. hope your ER was smooth..

rammy, how are you doing?
 
Hi Babymaking, ok, at least you had your doubts clarified earlier and need not waste a few more days wondering what's next. Did Dr Loh say what might be the reason? Hope you are feeling better now, physically from your ER. Then you can wait for a fresh cycle to do your FET. This time round, should be a success. Think positive and good luck!
 
Michelle,
Wow! You've a gd no. of eggs retrieved. Glad to hear that yr ER is very smooth..everything seems to be going well for you. Thanks
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Hope mine will be smooth too.

Rammy, Needlephobia,
How's yr ER?

May the 3 of you have a very gd rest. Look forward to joining you all in 2ww.
 
ladies

went for my appt wif Dr Loh today. so touched to see my babies "dancing n waving" inside. Dr Loh said they r all healthy n veri active.

sad thing s i hav lost 2 kgs in a mth. my appetite became veri bad n my nose veri sensitive now. only eating less than half of my usual share. now worri can nt giv them enough nutrition so must try to eat more frequent with small amount.


babymaking

so sori to hear ur lost. at least u hav a clear answer now. think fet @ kkh cost abt 2k. u can check with e nurse there. did Dr Loh said wat s e reason for e failure? hope u can get over n start again soon. jiayou!!
 
Hi gals..
Finally back home from ER..
Everything went well until i fainted into the nurse's arms befor going home. must be the after effect from the sedation. Had 11 eggs according to the nurse. 3 cheers to the nurses for being so sweet and helpful.
Michelle,
Glad everyhting went well for you. wow... 15 eggs huh, does it mean u need to jab daily during the 2ww? Is your ET on thur?
Rammy,
Where were u today?
Nano
Good luck for tomorrow, not to worry, things will go fine with the doc and nurses.
 
Oh needlephobia.. sorry to hear that.. did you have any drug allergy? you mean you were resting in IVF centre and were just discharged? hope you are feeling ok oredi.. go and have plenty of rest. ya, the nurses there were very nice.. i was wide awake about 20mins after ER, and keep telling her i want to leave.. and told her to remove my needle where the sedative was administered. she relentedly did so after my half hour of husttling.. perhaps you heard me since you were just beside me..
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my ET is scheduled this thurs.

your hubby must have been worried.. saw him waiting outside patiently when i was waiting for my hubby to come from office to pick me home.. he was out there waiting the whole time..
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take care!

rammy, how are you feeling?
 
michelle, no i dun hav any drug allergy, juz that when i sttod up from the bed and saw blood stain of about dia 30cm, i started feeling uneasy, that's why...Always have phobia with needles and see blood.
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Hi all,

I'm a newbie and thot maybe i could join u gals in this support group... Having read earlier messages that were posted, I thot maybe someone might give me useful tips on IVF. In fact, I got rather worried after reading some of them.

Commencing my 1st cycle probably in mid-Sept and I'm totally lost. I've PCOS and have been trying since 2001. More than 9 cycles of clomids and 5 IUIs failed. It took me sometimes before considering IVF bcos I do not want to look back and regret not having considered IVF. However, I'm also worried that it may be too devastating for me to go thru another setback. Had history of severe depression therefore I'm fearful of another breakdown.

To make this worst, I've drug allergies and food allergies. Sometimes, I can't even tell if my allergy was food or drug induced.

As I've said I'm rather new to this procedure, I've a few questions to ask. Besides Lucrin and Puregon I read that another injection (I/M pregnyl) needed to be administered. When is this done? Is it self-administered? or the nursed got to do it for u?
what are the terms 2ww and 2www?
Any of you gals were given metformin to take before commencing the procedure?


Jia you everyone! Take care!




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weiwei,
yeah, u will need to eat smaller portions but more frequently. Also, u can slowly find out what kind of foods don't make u uncomfortable or the smells don't turn u off. And it helps to put some healthy snacks by ur bed in case u hungry at nite.
 
weiwei,
dont worry about ur weight lost, after ur first trisemester, surely you will gain weight and cant stop eating.
glad to hear your baby r doing alright. have the doc managed to scan the sexes?

yuki,
welcome to this thread. u r in the right group. sisters here are very supportive.

about pregnyl injection, in NUH, you'll be given this injection if u r tested positive pregnant, the nurse will do that to you.

2ww= 2 week wait, a challenging time after the process of putting back the embrios into uterus is done
 
actually, the nurse did not tell me if i will be informed as and when the eggs got fertilised.. when i kept asking, she just said on my day of ET, i will know.. is that how it's being done at KKH? i thought after 24hours, you can tell if the embryos are growing fine...

Hi Yuki, welcome to the thread. once you got enough eggs from Puregon injection, you will stop both lucrin and puregon, and go on to have I/M Pregnyl which is to help to mature and release the eggs. this is done 36 hours before your ER and as it is intra-muscular injection, a nurse will have to do it for you. normally done at night at the 24hr clinic, in KKH.

Nano, how was your ER today?
 
Deasy,

Thanks for the info. Late Congrats to you and how's bb doing?

Michelle,
Oh! not another injection? During our briefing after hearing about the amount of injection I had to go thru, both me and hb almost fell off our seats. I get really hysterial each time I've to draw blood or adminster injections. Those days during IUI, it's my hb whose gave me the puregon early in the morning. He would try to wake me up and immediately inject before I'm fully awake. Remembered I'd a 2 inches bruise. OH my goodness! the needles are going to kill me big time. And I can tell how stressful he can be by the look of him face. Poor Fella!


Gals,

did you gals have to take microgynon at the start of the cycle? Seriously, I've forgotten which day to take, was it D1 or D2? Even right now, I've occasionally forgotten my metformin and folic. BTW, from AF (D1) to the 1st Lucrin, did any of u gals have to go back kkH? I may not be in town, would that matters in any way?

Thanks and have a nice day!

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HI Yuki,

Welcome . For me, i did not take microgynon at the start. I only went back hospital on the 1st day of Lucrin to collect all the medication required.
 
Hi Ximi,

Wow, that's strange! Wait a minute! May I know who instructed u to go back hospital to take lucrin?

As for me I met Dr Loh once... den the rest is all the Staff Nurse's instructions. It seemed that they're just following the general procedures and instructed me! I guessed I'm categorised as the generic PCOS type and that's it - follow that set of standard procedures. Gust! who's treating me? The DR or Staff nurse? Would I be evaluated by Dr Loh before commencing?

When I first saw him was for consultation. And the next appointment with him is in January 2008 when my IVF acutally starting next month.. Any recommendation for course of action? I dun want waste my time and efforts to end up having told that I've taken the wrong medications...


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Maplebabies,
My TCM shared with me some possibilities; eggs with good quality but poor womb / uterus condition, eggs with poor quality but good womb / uterus condition, egg with poor quality and poor womb/uterus condition... these can hinder fertilization... perhaps, you want to strengthen both before moving on...
 
Hi all, got back from ET and jus woke up from a nap. out of 15 eggs extracted, we only have 6 usable embryos...
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at 1st the nurse told me to go back everyday for I/M Progesterone shots, as i got 15 eggs retrieved (15 was the cut off for progesterone vs pregnyl). argh!
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i was soooooo sad when i heard that. however after the ET, I told Dr Loh that i m really feeling ok, and that i dun feel any pain or bloatedness, so he asked me to go easy and so i only need to take subcut pregnyl (on tummy) once every 4 days... Yippee.. I left the centre with a wide smile...

needlephobia was right after me.. how did ur ET go?

rammy, nano, how are you gals?

petals, when is your puregon D8 scan? your ER should be around next wk?
 
Hi all,
Juz got back from KK for my ET. Sorry I did not post anything after my ER. Was depressed. Don't know why. The ER went smoothly. I zonked out before the doc even started the procedure. When I woke up, I was real dizzy & my blood pressure readings were very low. I slept the whole of Tuesday afternoon & Wednesday lying in bed.

Needlephobia,
I think we were in the recovery room around the same time after the ER. I was diagonally opposite you. I think we were also in the same room this morning.

Needlephobia, Michelle & also Nano, all the best for our 2ww!!!
 
Hi Michelle
i'm back at home now,but can't seem to sleep as the bloatedness is killing me.
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ET went well. tks. Wanted to ask doc Loh more about the egg quality, but he seemed to be v busy.
Hopes,
Yes, it was me. Hehe, u naughty gal, u eavesdrop huh? Guess u must be the one who left before me. My HB told me.Did u see me??? LAst minute shot. Hubby said better than no have.
Anybody can tell me how i can get rid of the bloat??? apart from ginger water and egg white??
 
Rammy,
I suspected it was u. Hope u r much better now. Lucky u, can rest at home. I was working whole day yesterday, and will be back to work tomorrow because of my work commitments.
U guys on long leave?
 
Needlephobia, i thought you asked me to rest more, and you are working??? i got 14 days MC and will rest fully at home.. did not intend to go back to work, and i can work from home... are you eating egg whites? start taking more egg whites (Fully cooked) with every meal... maybe that helps.. do you need to go back for daily injection?

Rammy, hope you stay cheerful and all the best..
 
Hi,

Wahh...now you gals in 2ww already. Stay patient and cool ok? How many did you gals put back in?

Needlephobia,
I have food aversion to eggs after 5 days of taking egg white. So for me I just drink ENSURE milk.(high protein) I have a feeling the bloatedness will subside when it wants to subside, regardless if you take the high protein foods. Just monitor it closely everyday and make sure it does not continue to expand until you can't breath ok?

So ladies, I went for my 1st scan yesterday and I saw 2 black dots. Looks like I'm gonna be having twins!

To date I am constantly feeling nauseas even tho I take small frequent "meals". That is if you consider biscuits as meal. Am just fortunate that I have no aversion to ENSURE milk so am drinking that as a supplement now.

Theresa
Do you know how long your injections will last? I was hoping that it'll soon be over, THEN Prof Wong tell me that "ohh it will carry on for about 11 weeks". 11 WEEKS! I told myself not to be depressed about it. But argh 11 weeks?! And I got the "intercourse" answer from my nurse. She said better to avoid intercourse for the whole first trimester cos contraction to the uterus may make it higher risk for miscarriage for first trimester as the uterus not strong yet.

Weiwei,
Hi. How do you cope with work now? Are you having any symptoms?
 
Hi Michelle, Rammy & Needlephobia,
Glad to hear that all of you went thru ET smoothly. My ER was smooth also and find the nurses very nice. Doc managed to take out 2 dozens of ovum..I was very surprised tat there are so many. However, it is not a gd thing cos I got to drink alot of H2O as I'm at risk of OHSS due to the no. of eggs retreived. Stomach still feel bloated at times, esp after meals.

Getting abit sick of the taste of plain water but no choice got to gulp down. Now, just hope the eggs are ok as quality counts instead of quantity. Was told got to go bk daily for jabs after ET.
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Needlephobia,
Haa u are the one
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...the nurse told me the day before one of the patient fainted after seeing blood. Thought you on HL still goes to work?..I suggest you rest more if you can.

Rammy,
Hope you've cheer up by now. Try to think positive.

May I know how many embryos did you gals choose to put in? Hope all of you have a gd 2ww.
 
Michelle,
I guess you freeze the remaining embryos? Dun worry, at least u got 6 usable ones. So gd you dun have to go bk for daily jab.

Lefty,
Congrats tat you gonna have twin babies!
 
Lefthander,

Congrats on having twins! I will be having my 1st scan this Sat and hopes that everything will goes on smoothly. Gets very worried today as i got some pinkish discharge after i urinated this morning, called dr and he said it is very normal and not to worry so much..... well, i had it the 2nd times i urinated again but it was much lesser and after that it was fine till now and it seems to have disappeared.

And i'm still taking the injection twice a week and the nurse told me i have to do it until week 12.

Needlephobia,

I have tried taking papaya and guava during my bloatedness, i think the fruits helps in digestion and i passes out alot of gas and motion and i did feel much better after that. Give it a try!
 
Dear Theresa,
i have read any indian dr homepage that papaya is not good for pregnant lady. the stickyness of papaya can harm . i am not sure but my indian collegues also say that.
i just let you know.
thanks
 
Hi, Gals

Anyone of you tried Operation to unblocked your fallipian tube? Saw Dr Loh on Tues & he said can do Operation or IVF. Am puzzled, I have already signed the consent form for IVF & then now there is this option.

Hi, Hopes/Needlephobia

Hee..Hee..I think the 3 of us were at Dr Zou clinic last evening.

Hopes is before me & then came Needlephobia. I believe I saw Hopes (we will waiting outside together for a while), but only heard Needlephobia & saw your HB when I left.
 
Lefthander
Big Conngrats, u r our idol!!! Any tip for the 2ww ers??
Theresa and pupi
Haiz.. so papaya is not safe either. Been constipated since ER. I got worried everytime i tried to force. hehe, anyone knows if it matters because ET was so recent.
Nano,
Yaya, it was me, coward huh? is your et tom?? all the best and welcome to the 2ww team.U have good no of eggs. hope they will "guai Guai" get fertilized.
Michelle,
U definitely look cheerful everytime i see u. guess i've to learn to be more positive like u. I can't rest at home as i have on going projects to complete. Have to be responsible or no client will come back to me.By the way, doc loh told me abt u today.
 
Congratulations Lefty!!!

Like Needlephobia, I find it hard to fall asleep this afternoon. My stomach does not feel good. I guess it's a combination of bloatedness & gastric pains caused by the antibiotics. Luckily, I don't have to work & my hb has been very supportive, doing all the necessary, & buying whatever food I felt like eating.

Reading your posts has cheered me up lots! Thanks, ladies!
 


Lefty, congratulations on your twinnies!! you should try to eat more than biscuits you know.. try lah...
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Theresa, dun worry too much on the discharge. drink lots of water, and good luck for your scan on sat. have you confirmed on a singleton yet?
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Nano, good luck for your ET tomorrow. If you are with Dr Loh, dun worry, my hubby say his hand is very steady and he transfer with "no hesitation".. feels so secure after hearing that.. be positive!

Rammy, needlephobia... rest well, and just lie on your bed even if you can't sleep, read a good book... take good care while we cheer each other on during the 2ww... hmm.. i wonder what Dr Loh said about me? that i complain about my daily injection?
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