IVF/ICSI Support Group

mulberry,
sorry bout ur eggs, but always see the bright side, its better now than after u put in ur belly and they dont grow, God makes things beautiful in times, have faith. i cant ask u not to be sad but u must take care of yourself, start anew with healthy food to make ur body stronger and more ready for the next cycle, who knows u might get pregnant naturally.
 


pupi,
since i'm not a sporean nor PR, my cost is quite high, total from the beginning of my suprefact injection until ET about 9000-10000. not included the injection after positive. my medical insurance doesnt cover pregnancy, so i cant claim. i'll be back to my hometown soon. but still considering whether i'll come back to give birth or not.
 
Nano,
Hi, just did the acu today. Not painful at all...hee hee.
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Since it's my 1st time, the physician gave me a lower electrical pulse on the needles. So I only felt a light electrical tingling sensation. She said she'll increase once I'm more comfortable with it as a stronger current will be more effective. Oh yah, my right foot also twitched a bit. Will have to continue twice a week, until the few days b4 ER where we are advised to go for acu everyday. Don't worry, I found it quite relaxing too. Let me know how u find it tmrw.
 
Mulberry,
Really sorry to hear about your eggs.
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So did they explain how this happened? I thought they can increase ur puregon dosage to get more eggs. Did they give too low a dose? Did Dr mention your next step?
 
Thanks Baby making.
I have gotten my result. my hcg test is very low, around 87. Will testing again on Monday morning.. very worried and sad

Anyone has this experience?
 
hopes

Can brief how the FET is being carried out? wat is the cost difference between the FET and fresh cycle?

Mulberry,
Sorry to hear ur eggs. Know you are very sad but pls take care of yourself.
 
sista..had my ET this morning..transferred 3 embryos..manage 2 have 8 embryos..4 grade 4 n 4 grade 3..doc just ask me how many i wan 2 put n i said 3..he din stop me..wow d waiting time 4 him kills cos my bladder was so full dat i cant tahan n he still not here 4 d transfer.

like weiwei..i oso had 2 jab I m progesterone everyday till my bloodtest..
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o..d scary 2ww is here..hope there will good news 4 me..
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mullberry: so sorry 2 hear this. how r u feeling now? know is terrible knowing d results but u can try again .go 4 tcm 2 tiao ur body n rest well b4 embarking new cycle.u got ask doc y? u wif kk or sgh?
 
pupi

hi. welcome!! i din do any acu b4 ivf as i dun knw much abt acu at tat time.

maples

think u hav to let ur boss knw abt ur ivf treatment if u still want to cont work wif her/him. otherwise every boss will ask u reasons for HL n if they find out wat u tell s nt true, u wil b in big trouble. it's up to them whether they understand u or nt, but it's ur life n going to b ur baby's life. u r just doing ur part to inform them. if they grant u annual leave, good. if they dun understand, u just take non-paid leave or consider to leave tat company. u hav to think for ur future 9 mth after ET. u may need a lot of understanding n help frm ur boss during ur pregnancy especially if u r were like me, got triplets......

for me i told my boss since ever i decided to do ivf. she gav me her full support until now. dun b scared of telling pp, nothing wrong wif doing ivf.
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we just want to hav our own baby n we should b proud of ourselves for going through e treatment. trust me, nt everyone can tahan e process n u r one of e heroines here!!!
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mulberry

did u do ivf only or ivf wif icsi? did ur Dr tell u wat happened to e eggs?
 
Hi Deasy,
Thanks for your encouragement. I think i should not be worrying too much then and leave my worries and burden to God and he know what is the best for me. I should have more faith and trust in him as his plan and timing is always perfect. May God bless you.

Mulberry,
There is no words to describe your sadness now but i'm so sad to hear about that but like what Deasy says, God has his plan for you and you might get conceive naturally. Keep your faith and trust strong in God and he will not forsake you. Dont give up and rest well so that you can think of what you want to do for your next step. Perhaps you will feel confused and loss at this moment, dont keep it to yourself, just talk to us here. May God bless you too!
 
wei wei: may i ask if u experience any abdominal cramp after ur ET? i had some bad cramp dat is quite painful like sharp cramp..worst if i walk..
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now i start 2 worried..so scare my embryos will come out..
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Hi Mulberry,
Did your doc inform you before ER that you only have 5 follicles? If knowing that the nos of follicles is so little, why did he not suggest you to abort the plan and start another cycle again, then probably you dont have to go through so much mentally and physical pain. Sorry to ask that at this moment.
 
mika

yes, i had bad cramps also. it maybe due to e bloatedness of ur tummy n e procedure pain. if u r nt allergic to panadol, u can just take panadol n plenty of h2o. if ur pain realy realy bad tat u can nt tahan, should call kkh for further instruction. u must relax, otherwise musle all tense up, e ground s so hard, how can e embryos stay? dun walk so much for these few days especially in e 1st wk of 2ww, crucial time for implantation.
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weiwei,
what is the correct hcg level as the nurse says mine is very very low .. sounds that I might not able to success this time..is trouble me wholeday
 
thanks a lot weiwei n deasy! i will try drink more water..rest more but lying on bed 2 long i will get headache..heehee...but everyday i have 2 go back kk 4 injection still have 2 walk ard..sigh..will try 2 relax..hoping 2 join u n deasy soon..
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jessie

which hospital r u with? coz kkh take hcg on D17 after transfer. according to kkivf nurse, above 250 is consider safe n stable. however, if ur level fall below tat, they need to monitor ur level for some time. if ur hcg double up n in a increasing trend, then should b fine. if ur level s downward trend, even u hav a level above 250 at e beginning, also cant keep e pregnancy. wat did e nurse told u? do u need to go back for frequent bld test?

mika

ya, 2ww s killing...... actually i feel it's e most difficult stage in e entire ivf treatment. anxious, lost, somemore still hav to jab everyday....mentally n physically stress...... talk to ur embryos everyday n pray for their growth also. ur embryos can hear u.
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Hi PL, maple babies and those who are worrying abt the HL given by KKH,

Just glance through and understand your worry on the HL for those with KK.

1) The medical chit given to you won't have "KKIVF" chop or indicate that you are taking HL due to the IVF. So don't worry.

2) As for me, I never tell my boss or any 1 in my office when I was on IVF. The reasons are:-

i) I don't think for those who don't have fertility problem will understand our situation.
So what for telling them to add on 1 gossip topic for them??

ii) If you let 1 person know means you must be ready to let every 1 know.

iii) I don't 1 my kid be known as IVF baby, to us, IVF is just a method to get conceive, but for others, they might think the IVF is something "abnormal"...

Before I start my lucrin, I have told my boss, I need to do a minor surgery on my womb in 1 to 2 months times. When I have confirmed my ER and ET date, I can go for it cos I have informed them earlier and I have HL to cover, so nobody can challenge me.

May be some of you have understanding boss and collegues to give you support if you tell them you are undergoing IVF program. But to me, I still prefer to keep everything myself, then I won't have such stress to answer to anybody how is the progress/results of IVF and I don't want ppl see me "differently" and spread my fertility problem in office. And if suay suay fail, I just take it quietly and move on with my life.

Good luck.
 
mika,
Don't forget to take ur folic acid too. As for the jabs, if too inconvenient to go kkh everyday, I think u can buy the jabs in one go. Then ask your neighbourhood GP to jab for u instead. The clinic may charge abt $10 per jab, which abt the same if u take cab to kkh. This will help cut down on your travelling and walking too much during 2ww. Just my suggestion...hope u don't mind.
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koalatree,
read ur post...that's a very good excuse u gave...minor womb surgery. You're right, once they hear that, they won't really try to ask so much abt it.
 
Deasy, Petals, Mika, Theresa and Weiwei,

Thanks for the encouragement and support. Actually, my doctor did not call me on saturday. Only the lab person called me to tell me that for some unknown reason, none of the eggs were fertilised. The eggs seem fine, the sperms seems fine as well.They told me to wait for the doctor or nurse to call me for an appointment.I waited till noon, then I called. The doctor has already left. Someone told me that the team will be having a meeting on monday to review my case first, then advice on te next step I can take.

I cried so hard when they told me the news but like you guys said, God must have his reason for not granting me a success this time. Still, I couldn't help but feel sad.

What I don't understand is that 2 days after ER,I am still experiencing discomfort in the abdoment. I have to walk slowly and if I cough or laugh...I feel discomfort there as well. I wonder if they left something in me. My hubby said I struggled when the doctor was performing ER so the op took slightly longer than necessary.

Before we did the ER, there were 10 follicles. 5 turned up empty. Hubby said the egg was running around so doctor had a tough time catching them. Do eggs run?

Either way...it is a fact now that my first IVF attempt has failed. I feel miserable and I don't want to go back to work on Monday. Someone mentioned accu at AMK. I may want to go for that. At this point, I am both financially and emotionally drained.
 
dear mulberry

so sorry to hear that..i don't have the words to console you. do go back to check with the doctor with regards to your cramps and find out the possible reasons why your eggs did not fertilised.

in the meantime, try TCM to tiao back your body, recuperate and gain enough strength emotionally and financially to start again.

jessie

keep the faith, as long as the HCG levels double every 2 days, it is still a viable pregnancy. don;t give up and take care of yourself.

hey koala
did you manage to extend the HL to more than 5 days?
 
babymaking,
thank you. I try not to be depressed but if the eggs and sperms and fine, why aren't they joining?
Anyway, I just back tracked and found Dr zou's address. I will go accu in the afternoon.
 
Mulberry,

I'm sorry to hear that.. I know there is no words to overcome your saddness.. I've been through all these.. Are you with SGH? Since you said that they will have review on monday and let you know after that...

I think the doctor will not have answer in regards of the fertilization.. I think the nurse will arrange an appt for you with the doc and will advice what to do next.

i have 18 follicles but only 6 being fertisied and on the day ET.. only 3 can used. I was sad though...

Was tested +ve but HCG level too low and did not double up..

Yesterday, I went to see Dr Zou. Nice lady.. She did not advise me to go accu but i'm taking her medicine to "tiao" my body first. She told me unless i'm ready for another frsh IVF then she will start the accu..
 
petal bloom: thanks 4 d suggestion..i have all d med but think it better 4 me 2 go down kk 2 jab cos at least can still let them know abt my cramp..even i do at my gp.i still have 2 walk quite a distance
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think i have 2 crib..went 4 jab then go 4 breakfast i got d cramp again
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tomo will ask them when i go down.
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HI everyone,

Am new to post. Been lurking for the past 2-3 weeks reading your posts. :eek:)) I just want to say you gals are very very supportive of each other and I like it! I find myself anxious to read your posts everyday when I'm back from work! (well, right AFTER watching my recorded "Be Strong, Geum-Soon!" show)

I am going thru IVF at NUH (PC Wong) now and am on Gonal-F Day 8. ER would be roughly next week.

I am a natural born fast-walker; but since 4 days ago I find myself being sooo tired very easily. Like if I have to walk faster to catch the lift- I get tired after! It is driving me nuts! I told DH that I feel like I am running on reserved energy and my battery charger is spoilt, and I am constantly running on near empty. My Gonal-F dose is still minute- 150units. Do you think it is the medication that is doing this to me? I fear that at this stage I am already weak, what more if I'm pregnant? :eek:(

BTW, this is my first (hopefully only) IVF at NUH, had 3 failed IUI before(somewhere else).

Sorry if my post is very long. Hehehehe....
 
sistas: saw an article had a very interesting quote would like 2 share wif all of u. every cloud has its silver lining..

"what goes up,must come down. Life will always b full of highs n lows, so when we feeling down, we must always keep in mind dat something great is just ard d corner!"

jia you sistas! all of us will make it n have a happy family !


btw there any forum 4 hubby? i find hubby need support 2 when wife undergo ivf. some hubby find it hard 2 talk 2 friends cos they find it their ego being challenge.
 
Jaslyn,
I cry for no reason. Can't sleep and am depressed. I also think the doctor has no answer for me so he did not call me on that day.

I am more concerned about the discomfort...did you get that after ER?
 
Hi Mulberry, dont mean to scare you but if this happen to me, i may think of one worst fear/suspicion: that is, your body or egg may have natural antibodies that reject HB sperms thats why cant fertilise. In the US this is very common, thats why people start using donor egg/sperm. Usually this possibility is considered if after a few IVFs, still fail to fertilise eggs. Then the genes from both are taken for further analysis. Not sure if this is our local practice too.

Did you try ICSI or just IVF alone? Maybe you can increase your chances next round with ICSI? My HB has a colleague who bravely shared her ICSI story, she said her HB sperm simply cant fertilise her egg, they will swim in circles but never try to penetrate the egg. So dr did ICSI for them, force the sperm into the egg then they fertilsed.
 
Hi Koala, thanks!

I asked KKH before that if my company HR called to ask them why i have HL, they will not be able to hide it for us and will tell the bare truth to whoever asked. So the trick is to tell a reason such that company HR wont go probe KKH. But same as you, i dont feel comfy revealing the real reason. You are rite, people who are not in our shoes will not understand, to them, it will just be another piece of gossip and i cant imagine hundreds of people will be gossiping about me. I dont believe in if i ask my boss not to tell, she wont, cos she still will if her bosses ask and that may be just as bad. And i dont think my boss is understanding. She may ask me to postpone my IVF or get angry that i didnt consult her whether i can do IVF now. So sian. Have to lie about it then. But cant think of what to lie. I didnt warn her about an "impending surgery" like you did cos she will probe and ask if i can postpone the surgery one, so no point.
 
Maple,
I will ask the doctor if this could be the reason. I did not do ICSI. However, the lab person did mention that the next round, they will do ICSI.


Jaslyn,
I'm with SGH. Are u wif SGH as well?
 
Hi Mulberry, glad to hear that. Ya, maybe can try ICSI next time. Will have higher chances. For now, you rest well ya? No doubt its sad, but at least you didnt have to wait 2 weeks in vain. So be strong and still persevere ya?
 
Maple

Understand your worry. If she dare to ask you to postpone, you can tell her, "my doctor said can't wait, if not my condition will be getting worst... " Is she dare to bare the responsiblity if anything happen to you? If after telling her all these, she still insist, then I will ask you to resign, no point of working in this type of company... and working with this type of boss. Can forsee if you get pregnant in future, she sure will give you more problem and more stress esp when you are in 1st trim.
 
Hi Mulberry,
Sorry to hear what has happened. Do take care of yourself.

Hi Mika,
Are u with KKIVF too? When is the HL given. One the day of ER or ET?
 
hi Mulberry

i am sure the doctor can do further tests, mybe even genetic testing on yr egg or hubby's sperm to see where the defect is, if there is any.

if this time round, u are doing just IVF, maybe the next time round, you can opt for ICSI where the sperm is injected into the egg.

It's not the end of the road, there are still options available. it's just that it's another hurdle to go through...I am sure with your hubby support, you can overcome this.
 
orangedots: yes..i wif dr loh from kk..d HL is given on ur ER.

mullberry: i think tradition ivf will have such prob.no guarantee fertilised by themselves.unlike icsi which directly inject sperm into egg. my is icsi cos my hubby low sperm count.
 
Hi Lefthander77,

Welcome to our thread! We are cycling almost the same time, i'm on D2 Gonal F and my ER will be likely on 26th this mth. Well my dosage for Gonal F is 300iu, so much higher than yours and i dont have the side effect that you mentioned except some mood change. Are you on any TCM or acup before you embark on ivf? I heard that by doing both can help to reduce the side effect of the drugs tremendously and at the same time increase the success chance by 50%. I was on TCM for the last 6 mths and started acup in June and still going on until my ET. By the way, i'm with Gleneagles.

If you are worry, just check with your doc as this might be one of the side effect as diff ppl experience diff thing. All the best and hope that we will be able to bring more good news to our sisters here soon.......
 
mullberry: i oso exp dat bloatness after ER.ask d nurse they told me it normal 2 have bloated n abdominal discomfort. must drink more water.

maple: dat time my supervisor told me 2 postphone my treatment cos she not enuff pp. wah liew! how can! if i can't have any children is she going 2 b responsible? somemore it me n my hubby prob. i din listen 2 her. aint govt encourage us 2 have children? so y sgould they hinder ur big project? let ur boss know if they answer n b responsible 4 ur future family. if they still insist no can quit.this kind of boss must b old bachelor..
 
Wow, Mika, you are my heroine. Think compared to you, i am such a coward. I dont dare tell boss, make her unhappy. Think i should think for myself first hor? Aiya, but easier said than done. Now then tell her i die die have to be away this month end for ER/ET, i tell you, even if she 'lan lan' accept it, when i come back, i can forget about career progression or pay increment liao, sianzzz.
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Oh, my boss married with 2 kids, you know ... but she so career minded, i think she work 12 hours daily, wonder have children for what when she dont spend more time with them. Thats why i say i sure look bad in front of her since she so career minded and can give time to her work whereas i keep going away for personal stuffs.

All that govt initiative about child bearing i feel very superficial only. If govt seriously want to advocate more child bearing, then they should give some subsidies even for IVFers (doesnt mean we IVFers are rich ok?!) and make companies grant married mothers 5-day work week!
 
mika,
oic, then no diff for u whether u go kkh or to GP if u still have to walk quite a bit. Just make sure u listen to ur body and rest when u feel tired. Don't do any heavy lifting or any housework if possible. Good excuse to get hubby to help.
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2ww very impt, esp when implantation takes place. Rest well!

mulberry,
You mean we have to tell them if we want ICSI? I thought they will just get us to sign the form first and proceed with ICSI once it's necessary? At least that's what happened when i did mine at a pvte hospital previously. Now with KKH, I'm also not sure abt their procedure, whether they will automatically opt for ICSI for us or do we need to indicate b4 we start our cycle. When u get to talk to your doctor, u can ask him all the qns about what happened in your case. I know it's very hard now to think abt moving on, but I find it helps to get over the depression faster if we have something to plan for. Hugs to you!
 
mika,
usually birds nest is taken when u r towards the end of 2nd trimester...after 5th mth. So now better don't take yet. As for ur supervisor, wah, how can she ask u to postpone ur treatment just bcos she has not enuff staff?! So selfish! Staff she can always hire mah! But our ivf treatment really depends on timing of our AF cycles, so we need to do it when the timing is right, and it's not something we can control.

maplebabies,
i agree with u. The govt shld come up with better schemes for IVFers, since using medisave is really our own money after all. It's not like we are doing this for fun. We've obviously tried to TTC b4 decidng to do IVF as one of our last resorts. IVF not cheap at all and no guarantee too. I find we are more vulnerable emotionally and financially.

Lefty,
Welcome! Don't worry, the tiredness could be a side effect of all the hormones and jabs. If u get any other serious side effects then better let ur doc know.
 
weiwei: i been talking 2 them n i even name them; julyn, javen n javin..heehee dunno wat their sex but just like these names..
now i understand how u feel during ur 2ww..it really not easy..worried my embryos will drop out..worried when go 4 hcg test results will b undesirable..
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now it only 2nd day 4 me i oredi like this..o dear
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btw will d embbies just drop out wo us knowing? hmm...


petal bloom: thanks 4 ur advise cos my hubby thinking of buying bird nests 4 me..heehee..


maplebabies: if u really worried abt ur career then tell ur boss d truth lor.no matter wat she still cant stop u rite?
 
dear mulberry,

i truly feel so sorry for you. what you underwent was not easy. brace up and improve your health before move on. in the midst of improving your health, you never know, sometimes miracle just happens. most importantly, improve your health so that you can carry many babies...

jessie,

please take the results with stride. i really hope to hear good news from you and have faith in yourself. it's matter of time and hardwork...

to those who face difficult at workplace,

i am one of you all. i think it's good we prioritise our goals; between work and family. no company feel they are obligated in our family planning and no employee feel obligated to forgo family planning for company. of course hoping, both boss and employee could come to an agreement and understanding. again, it really depends on what we want to achieve. for myself, i spoke to my boss about unpaid leave. hoping got approved, if not, then i just move on. you gals know what's my priority ;) it's not easy for me to make such decision because career will be affected and financially will be drain. i told myself i am an efficient worker and company which will appreciate me. it's just that now i want to focus on my family as it's a life long commitments. if i don't embark on it now, i really don't know ever when i will start because work is also a life-long thingy. i am so glad that i am not the only one facing such problem...

weiwei,

love to hear latest development from you... it seems that your babies are growing so well. finally, my AF came on Friday and soon i will go for my scope this coming week... kinda anxious and hoping for the best. any advice for me? i am kinda firm with my plan with GOD grace...

theresa,

after my scope, i will embark on acu. now, i am still on chinese medication. i can see improvement in my health... i hope i will better each day...
 
mulberry

oh, got it. think if they do icsi e outcome wil b better. did they do a sperm count for ur hubby b4 deciding for ivf only? coz for my case, e sperm count s very low tat they do icsi to all my eggs then got 13 fertilised. think next time u can ask them to do both ivf n icsi together. at least for kkh, they normally do both way coz dun want to waste e eggs n e entire cycle. right now, u r experincing e side effects of puregon injected to u much earlier. but with e failled fertilisation, u may feel even more discomfortable n depressed. can u n hubby take a few days off, go out of e country n hav a short holiday? maybe u wil feel better after tat.
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mika

haha..... see? now ur turn, right? same old words, rest n relax. it seems simple but indeed veri hard to do.

babylow

so far i m ok. coming tuesday wil gor for scan n see Dr Loh. hopefully by then can see their heartbeat. as for e scope, i dun knw much leh. last time after my scope 2nd day, i cant wait n go out with my friend eat fish soup liao. heart frm pp tat should rest n try nt to touch cold drinks or food as our body need time to heal.
 
Hmm ... who is cycling around me? I am on D4 of Puregon, if all goes well, ER should be around 23rd Jul and ET 2 days later ... anyone around my time?

And anyone has obvious side effects from Puregon. I just feel warmer, abit more temperamental and alittle more tired at times. Dunno normal or not. Hmm ...
 
Maple Babies,
I am temperemental ALL the time so it is not a side effect for me, hahahah... but am very much distressed by the tiredness now. I used Puregon for my SO-IUI before and I don't feel this crappy. :eek:((

Mulberry,
Did the dr and nurses in sgh not tell you about your IVF options when you first start? Cos my Dr suggest we do ICSI. Initially my DH don't like the idea of ICSI cos he thinks that the "natural selection" process is taken away i.e. no more the strongest and fastest sperm will win the race and the genes of the child will be of ok ones compared to the best one. But the nurse advise me to consider ICSI cos we've been trying so hard and fastest and strongest sperm ain't strong enuff to do the work for the past 3 years so why risk it now...

Theresa,
I did not do accupuncture nor tcm prior to this. I had a 2 week vacation to US instead! The last time my 3rd IUI failed I had a pseudo-mental breakdown. I thought I was ok, just a little sad, but out of the blue when I told my friend/supervisor about it I cried non-stop! From that experience, I know I have to have a stronger mind/spirit and been taking care of that! Unfortunately my body is a little bit neglected.

Petals_Bloom,
Will it do any harm to take Birds Nest before end of 2nd trimester? Cos I have been downing Birds Nest every other day and now Essence of Chicken eversince I got the lethargy. If you gals know something I don't, please enlighten me.
 


hi

Mulberry, so sorry to hear abt that. Pls take good care of yourself and use this period to "tiao" your body with TCM and acunpuncture. I believe it really will help.

Also, with ref to IVF and ICSI. I had 7 failed IUIs and when I mentioned that to Dr Loh, his response is I should try half IVF and half ICSI because he felt that my 7 failed IUIs showed 1 point : for some reasons the sperms have failed to fertilise the eggs naturally. So he advised that I tried half half for my IVF.

Petals, I will be delaying my IVF cycle to Sep/Oct time frame due to some work related issues. I will take the next 2 months to enhance my body condition through more TCM and Acupuncture. Hopefully, my body will be in the best condition to go for IVF then.
 
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