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Ya for KK doc sadhana see patients.at clinic D.. even gt appt oso have to wait quite awhile.. n most important cannot late if nt u will b e last patient to c..
 


Shainie, a big bear hugzz to u! Sorry to hear what has happened... Try to cheer up gal, cos both your babies are united with their gorgor or jiejie in heaven now.
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They are in the safe hands of our LORD, and are happily waiting to be able to reconcile with you in heaven, when " the day " comes.

Take this time to tiao your body and recuperate well, so that we will always be in good health position to receive our precious gift from GOD according to HIS timing.

Will like to dedicate this song to you, Shainie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOGR04WI3vI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

GBU!
 
shainie, sorry i just read your posts...hugs...i don't know what to say...if you need any listener, feel free to write here...we will always be here for you. btw, you may ignore my question about the injection as i got the answer personally from Dr. TanHH this afternoon. regards to your question on to see Doctor at IVF centre, i had miscarriage in my previous cycle and the doctor told me to see him in clinic D. i know a bit hard when you are surrounded by pregnant ladies while waiting there but as far as i know, he only do the consultation at clinic D. The doctor in IVF dept only help to monitor the results of each scan. There is someone here mentioned about the TPS but i have no idea about this. I am a private patient too.
 
iBB, Sugary

What is TPS? Is it for private patient only? How much the charges? Same as in Clinic D fees? What is the turnaround time for queuing? No one ever mentioned this to me so I am curious to find out as I am a private patient too.
 
happypinky, my dh brewed the herb for me in medium heat. i think he took about half an hour to do that. if you were to ask me whether bitter or not, i will definitely say yes cos i don't like bitter stuff. maybe you have a better tolerance compare to me. you may try first. i don't have sugar intake problem as i seldom take sweet stuff.

i went to see Dr. TanHH this afternoon and asked med for bloatedness. He prescribed magnesium carbonate. So, maybe you want to give a call to IVF dept ask whether can you give you some med without seeing the doctor. I think this is a standard drug but still need prescription from doctor.

however, when you take chinese herb please don't take hospital med on the same day. i think the chinese physician did told you before. just a gentle reminder.
 
Niko

The Private Suite is another clinic, but slighty more exp than then normal clinic. Usually u pay a private rate when u are preg. For ivf, everyone is a private patient, so be it clinic D or TPS, u still consider private.. However, u still need to pay slighty more in TPS for consultation. It's located near prima deli and the pharmacy. U can go there take a look. For a better visualization , u can visualized it's a business class lounge. Waiting time still need to depend which doctor. For dr loh, still as busy the last time. Also need to depend if that day the dr need to perform any surgery or delivery. Sometimes can wait between 45mins-2 hrs. But generally the waiting time compared to clinic d is lesser. For good days, u probably wait 5-30mins. And u have sofa, green scenery, coffee, Milo, apples. Can even slp there haha

Magnesium carbonate
I had these when I had heartburn and Bloatedness after ER. Super terrible until dr sadhana prescribed me with this. With 2 dosage, I'm 70% recovered. Very effective.
 
Sugary, thanks for your fast reply. i thought everyone turn in already. i just came back not long ago. actually i should ask for magnesium carbonate earlier on when i went to A&E last time. my bloatedness still on and off. i suspect i got indigestion problem. i think my stomach old already, the engine not working well nowadays.

Btw, the patients in clinic D are not all private rite? I heard some patients mentioned they got referral letter from polyclinic and they have been assigned to see senior doctors because their cases are quite bad. Anyway, not sure... I usually will turn up half an hour before my turn or one hour earlier on if i got test to do before seeing doctor.
 
Hi everyone

I have been a silent reader on and off. Ive failed 2 cycle wif SGH two years ago. Last year i was about to embark the 3rd ivf when i found out Dr Loh is leaving.

My GP ask me to see Prof. Wong. Ive been to both and both gav me a different protocol but for Prof Wong, he needs more investigation. Now im in dilemma cos its going to be my 3rd ivf and i dont know which doctor to choose.

What if i chose wrongly. I dont have any problem until recently last year Dr Loh said it may be low ovarian reserve. Im taking DHEA and its finishing soon.
 
those referred from polyclinic will be under subsidized rate for consultation. But once u enrol ivf program, u r paying one standard rate for all ivf related procedures, that's why it's consider private. I clarified this with nurse before. However if u are seeing dr becos u opt to choose to see that particular dr without any referral, then u consider a private for consultation or pregnancy in that clinic. So if the subsidized patient was referred to ivf by the senior consultant , and she enroll to ivf centre, then she is a private patient in ivf. But then when she goes back clinic d for consultation, in this case not too sure if she is still paying subsidized rate.
 
Shainie: just read ur post n so sorry to hear this. it really saddens me and I feel ur pain. Wish u all the best n hope u recover soon physically n mentally. I'm not good at words, but would like to give u a big HUG! Take care~~
 
Dear Shaine, hugs.. my heart goes out to you and your DH. I can seriously understand your pain. Take your time to get through this difficult times. Cry if you need to as it is part of healing. Do know that you are not alone, you have your love ones with you. Be strong dear. Pls do a mini confinement and see your TCM doctor to help your body recover well. Hope you get an acceptable answer from Dr Tan and find closure. Hugs!
 
Hi. From my experience, in kkh you will only be trfd to TPS when you are preggie and is a private patient. After delivered and if we want to open a new case (eg. 2nd round of ivf) the consultation will be in clinic D again. In KKIVF, we wl be considered as private patient eventhough if we are a subsidised patient.
 
Shainie, sorry to hear about your loss. Do a mini confinement to build up your body and try again when you are ready. Jiayou!
 
u wont be transferred to tps unless u requested it.... as long as u choose the dr u are seeing then u are considered a private patient... subsidised patient is every time u go, u see a different doc or MO... but once u do ivf u are considered a pte patient.

not true that u can only be at tps if u are pregnant... i've seen dr loh and dr tan at tps... even if it's just for papsmear.

i saw dr tan at tps in jan, so now he's no longer there?... like wat sugary said, dr sadhana doesn't do consultations at tps... i tried to request for tps but the appt nurse said she doesn't go there... so i'm back to clinic D.... i don't like clinic D.. feels like a slaughter house to me :p
 
last time, even when u are nt preg, u are free to go TPS, bcos u choose to pay higher rates. So it's not true only when preg then u r transfer over. But then not sure about now, maybe some gynae like dr sad will see pregnancy at TPS. That I'm not sure.

Eskimo, I also hate clinic d when I see dr loh last time. But I feel ok when waiting for dr sad this time round. The waiting time not so long compared to dr loh, so frustration level is lower. So now I'm ok with clinic d.
 
The assistant who help Dr. TanHH told me the system has been improved after Dr. Loh left. The clinic won't accept any walk in patient where they used to be. I am quite comfortable with the current arrangement. Morever, my waiting time is less than one hour. I usually do the self registration first and then check with the assistant how many in front of me cos I can't sit still. So, will roam around the shops area or have some drink before go back to clinic.
 
Shainie, it must have been a very emotional & hard time for u at this moment. This journey is indeed a very difficult one. Need a strong heart n mind to go thr your lost. Be strong, we are all here rooting for u.
 
Niko Michi, everyone react differently to diff drug. Puregon does not work for me but it work for many sisters wi BFP. It is good to check out your AMH so that the Dr will know better your body condition. I actually requested orher tests but my Dr said AMH test will do. Understand there is another drug called Saizen is a growth hormone which help to improve the embroys quality. U may want to find out more from your Dr.
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Not sure abt now. Maybe kkh changed their system. Last 2 yrs when I decided to choose Dr Sadhana to be my gynae since I conceived through her, I was imme transferred to TPS aft my 6wks scan. At that time, she was at TPS only on certain days, every Mon n Thu if I rem correctly...also did my papsmear at TPS aft delivered my boy and tat was my last consultation before they dr sadhana trfd me back to clinic D n my next aptmt was considered as open date for 1yr. My guess, if we requested not to be transferred, then will perm be at clinic D. Will verify with the nurse since will be doing my 6wks scan later.
 
hey girls, my friend just did FET last wed, so should be DPT7 today. She had diarrhea yesterday and this morning. Can anyone tell me is it a good or bad sign.
 
Egg factory, I am waiting for my AF to come. Shld be here 14 or 15 May. I just removed a polyp last mon and not sure it will delay AF or not. ET shld be end May if everything goes with plan.

Hi Shainie, sorry abt your loss. Take care.
 
Ladies...I had my BT (Estrogen) n ultrasound. My lining today is 3mm n had 1 small follicles. Is dat fine? Waitin for call in order to start Puregon.
 
Hi Shainie, sorry to hear about your lost. Take good care of your health before you try again. I will continue to pray for you. Never give up hope, that BIG day will come.
 
bigbear, doctor said he will prescribe puregon + menopur. last time he mentioned about puregon only. i don't know whether because i pressure him too much with my qs >> will it guarantee a better result compared to gonal f? If this time round the medicine does not work on me, then will be end of the world...LOL Btw, i managed to clarify for DHEA. He said not for me as i m not classified as low ovarian reserve.

just to add on, my AMH level is normal according to my age.
 
I also managed to clarify about the immunocal and royal jelly. He said no scientific proven but he said I may try if i want to. So for this, I think I will go ahead.

And for TCM, accu and massage, he said i can do now but once ivf journey start, i should stop all this scare clash with the treatment.
 
Niko, Im refered by polyclinic 4 yrs ago. Now I also do not know my status pvt or subsidised coz once we embark ivf we are pvt patient.
Now they change the consultation at clinic D. Previously after my 1st BFN then Mc both I see Dr Tan at IVF.
When I call the appointment ctr it stated in the system see Dr Tan but is it I will see him? I do not want to see different Dr. For what pay lesser and different Dr see me everytime.
It is hard for 2nd time MC. This MC is a sudden to me. When I rush to 24hrs on Tue evening my servix is closed so DH keep on asking me how can I MC. I dunno what to tell him. It is hard. Really hard then the 1st one.
The things that make me cry silently is my DH still hoping there is one still alive inside me coz Dr Tan give me the HCG form to do HCG test again for my next appointment.
I dunno how to explain to him. Today he at home @ emergency leave. I know I lost both babies. It just that DH cannot accept it.
 
Shainie
Don't worry, u still get to see dr tan bcos ur case is referred to ivf, so will still be consulting ur doctor in charge.

Haiz, ur DH really very upset. Did dr tan ordered any test for u?
 
Shainie *hugs* I teared when I read your post... pls be strong and keep on fighting. Do all the tests, immune tests etc, you will find out the cause and Dr will be able to find a treatment for u to prevent this from happening again. There is a solution for everything. You will be able to carry ur bb one day.
 
Shainie, I am sorry to hear about your loss. My cervix was closed too when I had my mc. I know it is very hard to digest this reality. I was crying for days till my husband told me off...Please stop this and what you want now. I know a bit harsh from him but he know me better. He know he must stop me else i will get depression. So, i asked myself what i want now? I am unable to revert back the pregnancy and also i lost my 'long er'. Next, should i repeat the same history? Hence, i told myself. I want to investigate what is the cause of my mc and what i need to do now. I know it is big blow to your dh. I hope he able to calm down now. I have been praying for you both.

For my case about the private patient, actually i chosen Dr. Loh as recommended by my friend. Unfortunately, after a few consultations he left KKH. I was lost a bit whether to follow him. Then, I did some research online. Found that Dr. Tanhh was his disciple. I was contemplating about either choosing Dr. TanHH or Dr. Sadhana.

To cut it short, I have chosen Dr. TanHH based on the following:

1) He was a disciple of Dr. Loh. So, I guess he got the hands on skill from Dr. Loh at least 50% and above. This point has been proven during my EC and ET. Painless procedures and success BFP.

2) He wrote a lot of thesis with Dr. Loh before. You may google online. To me, a person who can write thesis most probably unable to bluff cos everything is based on scientific proven for medicine field.

3) A doctor which be able to cope with my emotion cos I know IVF journey is like rollercoaster eventhough that time I haven't start my journey yet. According to my survey online, a male doctor can take more stress compared to a female doctor. I maybe wrong too but based on my instinct, I think he is the one.

Btw, I am not doing any promotion for him. I may change doctor if i find him unable to help me one day. It may sounds cruel but no choice. Sometimes, luck also play apart.

I am thinking to change to subsidized patient but not at this point of time. The cost of treatment in SG is getting higher and higher. Therefore, I still will go back to subsidised class one day.
 
Shainie, I don't know why Dr. TanHH ordered lupus test for you. Do you have autoimmune issue? I hope everything will be fine for your health. Please really take care and eat on time right now. Remember your health is your asset. This is my mother's slogan. She keep nagging me almost every two days with her long distance phone call.
 
Shaine,

Just read about your loss. My heart really goes out to you...I know it is hard to accept the loss..but please stay strong. God Bless.
 
Shainie, The dr instruct u to do HCG test in next appt is to check whether ur HCG level has drop to zero. As if MC it suppose to drop. Last time Dr Loh also did the HCG BT for 3 times after my MC.

I know how u feel at this moment, last time when I mc I can even sudden wake up middle of the night and cry silently. Almost every night I will cry before go to bed. After the MC I join the meditation class and it make me feel much more relax. Really hope and wish u can recover soon. Hugs....
 
Hi Shainie,
In KK record, you will be under sub patient. Hence it's better for u to call the appt hotline & re-confirm that you will be seeing Dr Tan HH in your next review in Clinic D.

I did encountered my review was done my dutied MO in clinic D instead of Dr Tan HH & I was so angry.

Now whenever I made appt, I will re-confirm b4 the appt date that I'm seeing Dr Tan HH instead of other MO.

Lastly, do take care & rest well.
 
Hi all,

Been a silient reader so far....

Now I'm into mid of my 2ww...
Yesterday is my D9 & i saw some pink spotting on my panty liner...abit worry...but juz abit only after that no more...

Keeping my fingers cross...
 
Hi ladies, thank you for the well wishes, i will be brave and work harder to make my dreams come true.

Shainie, big hugs to you, i'm sorry to hear your lost. I was praying hard for you yesterday cos you didn't post any comments for awhile so was pretty worried. My tears flow when i saw it, i hope that you will be brave and move on, you gave me lots of encouragements and advices when i failed my fresh cycle. Let's pick up the courage and work towards our goal.

I really learnt alot from all the brave sisters here, not to give up.
 
Hi Shainie,

I totally understand how your DH feels. My previous MC, when I was bleeding even though urine tested +, DH thought never mind 1 bb drop only, still will have one more bb left inside me. 1 week later when Dr Tan ask me back to do another urine test, when dr confirm I was no longer pregnant, my DH was very shock and commented how come like that! It takes time for both you and DH to get over the lost.

It wasn't an easy journey for me during my 2nd attempt, but I manage to pull through. I had told myself then if this time I do fail again I will no longer attempt another time as I can't go through another fresh cycle with DH limited support.

God had listen to all my sorrows and had granted me my bb. So never give up, your God will understand what you are going through and will eventually answer your prayers.... Be strong.
 
Hi all,

I have my first failed IVF last month and plan to start new cycle maybe July.I start seeing TMC & do accupucture now.For those who do accupucture, how often do you do accupucture? and for how long? Should i continue accupucture when start IVF treatment? Thanks
 
Throll, ur story same how my DH ask Dr Tan yesterday. He ask him how come in 24hrs we lost both when the Dr at 24hrs show him that 1 is strong can see the egg yolk and
ring. So I hv to console him in front of Dr Tan maybe the other one pull it ( coz I also dunno how to explain to him).
Today I see my DH cry in front of me. It is hard to see a man
crying unless something have touch their heart hardly. I told him both my babies love each other so both go to heaven together. They do not want to be separated. I told him to be strong if not I cannot be strong. After an hour he go and make arrangement for my next visit to make sure I see Dr Tan.

Niko, same goes to me. What u write abt Dr Tan is what I also feel abt him. Both my pregnancy is done by him. If others feel that previously Dr Loh has his lucky hand I do feel the same with him. Only that I cannot hold the pregnancy. Both MC.
Sugary Dr Tan order Lupus test for me. I have PCOS but yet we do not know what is my problem with the pregnancy. I ask for tyroid test but he told me Tytoid test is only for those who have tyroid issue. I only know the lupus test by
next visit
 
To all sisters : My sincere thanks to all of u. May not be able to write every name here. I will be in this thread coz from your support I get my strenght.
Sarah thanks for the explanation of the hcg test. I pray for ur BFP dear.
Ladybuggy we are in the same age. Will be 35 yrs in my coming birtday nxt week.
Tahope: yes have to reconfirm with appt cntr. My DH pissed off so he call directly KKIVF and manage to make appt to see Dr Tan. For ur spotying, I do spot on day 9 and 10 by day 11 it's stop. Have bedrest and monitor ur spotting. If it is gone it will be ok if continue call ur Dr ask what can u do. Normally they ask u to go 24hrs O &G.
 
Shainie, a v big hug for you.. Everyone here is heart pain for you. But we can't do much,except to listen to you here, to offer soothing words and advices... hope you and dh will come thru this stronger and I know your Bbs are also hoping you both will find peace with what happen. One day you will be hugging your own bb in your arms.
 
Take care, Shainie.

Everyone in 2ww or in cycle, let's hope for the best for all.

Anyone doing fet this month or next? I'm starting when my menses come later this month. Saw Dr Tan but he didn't talk much, so I'm pretty lost as to how this fet works and all. He also didn't talk about my failed cycle, just say that at least got frozen embryos.
I'm wondering if this is how he usually are? I feel quite lost as the consultation was like 3 mins. Then the nurse at clinic d just ask me call ivf ctr on D1 and say they will tell me when to go back scan or what again.
I don't even know the fet is how and whether will do blastocyst like some have done... Do we need to request for that or after my menses come then they will advice?
What is the cost of fet, can use Medisave? I read that fet has no govt grant right?
 
Shainie, our thoughts are with you. Take good care of yourself, and come here when you need a listening ear.

cas, you can go to IVF centre and ask nurse to brief u on protocol. Did Dr Tan say whether natural or medicated? You can use Medisave but better not, cos not worthwhile. Save it for fresh cycle (but of course, hopefully you'll BFP and don't need to!
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Hi Cas,

Did Dr Tan told u whether U will be doing Medicated FET or Natural FET? Looks like urs will be Natural FET as if its is med FET then he will prescribe progynova for u. How many embryos u still have?

For the FET cost at KK is about $1500 to $2000 and you can use medisave. However, most of ppls will not utilised the medisave as it will consider one withdrawal out of 3 max. No govt grant for FEt is govt grant only for 3 fresh cycle.
 
Thanks luvnhope and Sarah, I don't know medicated or natural. Dr Tan see us just say, ok you failed the last time, never mind you still got frozen. Then he ask me if menses came after the failed cycle then he did a quick scan for me. After which he say we can leave. The nurse will brief you. We waited awhile outside, nurse just pass me a aspirin prescription to buy and tell me to call D1 of menses and ivf ctr will tell me when to go back scan.
So I was v lost as to how this fet will be and i guess I wanted to know why the cycle failed and if this fet, can do blasto since it seems higher chance. I have around 8 frozen.

$2000 is quite a lot to us so if Medisave can cover the full cost. I think I will be using Medisave. Though I know it's wasted since Medisave can only use 3 times also right. But really not much savings.
 
Cas, think with Dr Tan, have to ask him questions one. The last consult i had with him, we asked quite a number of questions and he was quite patient in answering. But i donno whether he would have volunteered information if i hadn't asked. Didn't he pass you a memo to pass to IVF centre? Or maybe new protocol now?
 


cas,
natural fet will cost about 1k ($1033 to be exact)...pregnancy BT is abt $30... and including the support medication would be about another 300 bucks... i dun think the medication can't be payable by medisave... so total deductible only abt 1k... really not worth to waste the 3 times medisave cover.
 

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