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thks for the info about immunocal, i think i stick to egg whites. the things one have to go through to ensure the best results. sigh
when i first started my 1st IVF cycle in 2007, it was just follow sf loh/kkh instructions. by 2nd cycle in 2008, add TCM, egg whites, no cold water, no coffee, don't eat this, don;t do that.. now this cycle in 2011, it all of 2008 and more egg whites, brazil nuts (which taste pretty good actually), red dates and wolf berries drink and yet another list of don't eat this, don;t do that.;P
tahope, you got the handsome doc! he's a very caring doctor - saw him a couple of times when dr loh was too busy, and now and then whenever my husband meet him at KKH, he will recognize and acknowledge, superb bedside manner.
ron, that's really useful info about the embroyos, never did know that info and the percentages.
re: miscarriages
for all of us going through IVF & FET, miscarriage is an ultra sensitive topic. i've been through 2 miscarriages, and an ectopic pregnancy which cost me one of my tubes, excaberating already existing fertility issues. through out my one single successful cycle, i had a traumatic pregnancy. bleeding through out. we had a down syndrome scare, chances of baby was DS was less than 150. at week 13 when everyone is surprise that baby is still around and thought it was safe, i had a severe bleed and had to go to the hospital by ambulance as i was bleeding profusely. at week 20, i started having premature contractions, was hospitalized and told baby is non viable and that there is nothing they can do for me. I remember being alone in the ward at night feeling so desolate, while knowing the patient in the bed next to me is due for a abortion the next day. (at kkh, before week 24, pregnancy is considered non viable, hence nothing extra will be done to ensure survival of baby). at week 24, pre labor started, was on meds and drips which caused my blood pressure to increase and breathing difficulties, they stop the meds, baby's heart beat started to drop. scans after scans finally show baby playing with his umbilical cord. was in hospital on complete bed rest for most of the pregnancy, and in and out of the delivery suite till week 34 when baby turn breech and heartbeat drop, we made the decision to do a c section to bring him out early. and baby did not breathe immediately, had to be on tubes, it was frightening at the moment, being cut open on the operating theater (was on epi) and everyone shouting but not knowing what was happening to baby and no body explained.
all in all, baby did breathe on his own later and is growing well toddler despite all the challenges he went through to survive.
the reason why i am sharing my experience is that, there's a lot of things beyond our control, and a lot of things which medical science cannot explain. based on what happen to me, no one would give any odds that my boy will survive the pregnancy, but he did and is a healthy toddler now.
So don;t give up hope on your journey, hang in there. someday, sooner rather than later i hope, you will be rewarded for your persistence.
think positive thoughts, be as happy as you can, share your thoughts with hubby or friends or online.
thks for the info about immunocal, i think i stick to egg whites. the things one have to go through to ensure the best results. sigh
when i first started my 1st IVF cycle in 2007, it was just follow sf loh/kkh instructions. by 2nd cycle in 2008, add TCM, egg whites, no cold water, no coffee, don't eat this, don;t do that.. now this cycle in 2011, it all of 2008 and more egg whites, brazil nuts (which taste pretty good actually), red dates and wolf berries drink and yet another list of don't eat this, don;t do that.;P
tahope, you got the handsome doc! he's a very caring doctor - saw him a couple of times when dr loh was too busy, and now and then whenever my husband meet him at KKH, he will recognize and acknowledge, superb bedside manner.
ron, that's really useful info about the embroyos, never did know that info and the percentages.
re: miscarriages
for all of us going through IVF & FET, miscarriage is an ultra sensitive topic. i've been through 2 miscarriages, and an ectopic pregnancy which cost me one of my tubes, excaberating already existing fertility issues. through out my one single successful cycle, i had a traumatic pregnancy. bleeding through out. we had a down syndrome scare, chances of baby was DS was less than 150. at week 13 when everyone is surprise that baby is still around and thought it was safe, i had a severe bleed and had to go to the hospital by ambulance as i was bleeding profusely. at week 20, i started having premature contractions, was hospitalized and told baby is non viable and that there is nothing they can do for me. I remember being alone in the ward at night feeling so desolate, while knowing the patient in the bed next to me is due for a abortion the next day. (at kkh, before week 24, pregnancy is considered non viable, hence nothing extra will be done to ensure survival of baby). at week 24, pre labor started, was on meds and drips which caused my blood pressure to increase and breathing difficulties, they stop the meds, baby's heart beat started to drop. scans after scans finally show baby playing with his umbilical cord. was in hospital on complete bed rest for most of the pregnancy, and in and out of the delivery suite till week 34 when baby turn breech and heartbeat drop, we made the decision to do a c section to bring him out early. and baby did not breathe immediately, had to be on tubes, it was frightening at the moment, being cut open on the operating theater (was on epi) and everyone shouting but not knowing what was happening to baby and no body explained.
all in all, baby did breathe on his own later and is growing well toddler despite all the challenges he went through to survive.
the reason why i am sharing my experience is that, there's a lot of things beyond our control, and a lot of things which medical science cannot explain. based on what happen to me, no one would give any odds that my boy will survive the pregnancy, but he did and is a healthy toddler now.
So don;t give up hope on your journey, hang in there. someday, sooner rather than later i hope, you will be rewarded for your persistence.
think positive thoughts, be as happy as you can, share your thoughts with hubby or friends or online.
superwhitetiger
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Babymaking, thanks for sharing this. Helps me put things into perspective. When we have already done all that we could, the rest of it have to leave it to god. Admire your perserverance.
Baby dust!
Baby dust!
Babymaking, thanks for sharing. Really a rough ride for you. *hugs*
Ladies,
You gals are so knowledgeable. I have learnt so much following this thread. This is my 1st try both me n my hubby blur blur. Also din have time to research we thought just follow instruction and all will be fine. I so ill prepared mentally until I m hit by the mood swing n start surfing net at home.
Thanks for sharing
Ladies,
You gals are so knowledgeable. I have learnt so much following this thread. This is my 1st try both me n my hubby blur blur. Also din have time to research we thought just follow instruction and all will be fine. I so ill prepared mentally until I m hit by the mood swing n start surfing net at home.
Thanks for sharing
Morning
Silsilly, how ace u coping? Think my Pregynel jabs are more or less out of my system, am now much less bloated and no more gassy stomach pain. Ay, countdown 3 days to our BT, getting nervous, but I'm not going to do hpt. Told my hubby to take half day off on Fri to be around to go through with me.Haiz
Silsilly, how ace u coping? Think my Pregynel jabs are more or less out of my system, am now much less bloated and no more gassy stomach pain. Ay, countdown 3 days to our BT, getting nervous, but I'm not going to do hpt. Told my hubby to take half day off on Fri to be around to go through with me.Haiz
Sticky! You are back. How are you?
I am a silent reader cos I already graduated from this thread. I just want to allay everyone's fear when they read that certain things should not be eaten etc. I was a blur sotong as it was my first time doing ivf. So I did not have bed rest, in fact I even went on a cruise three days after my et. Walked a fair bit. Eat whatever hit my fancy but in moderation.
I believe a huge part deals with fate. I also think most importantly, we are thinking positively. Do come to this thread and support each other, that helps!
That's my two cents worth.
So ladies, jia you. And baby dust to all!
Btw, I am expecting twin and now currently about 24 weeks.
I am a silent reader cos I already graduated from this thread. I just want to allay everyone's fear when they read that certain things should not be eaten etc. I was a blur sotong as it was my first time doing ivf. So I did not have bed rest, in fact I even went on a cruise three days after my et. Walked a fair bit. Eat whatever hit my fancy but in moderation.
I believe a huge part deals with fate. I also think most importantly, we are thinking positively. Do come to this thread and support each other, that helps!
That's my two cents worth.
So ladies, jia you. And baby dust to all!
Btw, I am expecting twin and now currently about 24 weeks.
Hi ritzc,
I haven't been coping very well.. I have extreme fear to go the toilet.. I have had anxiety attacks these past few days since the last pregnyl.. I really feel like af is coming and I'm not gonna test either.. I know I shouldn't be thinking too much but it's inevitable.. All my white cm is positively telling me af is on it's way.. I wish I was still on pregnyl to stop the af for me..
I told my husband not to take leave this Friday.. Felt a bit of redundancy if he took leave..
I'm extremely miserable.. Crying like a mad woman everytime I feel 'wet' down there.. Then, I will dread having to go to the loo to pee..
I SMS-ed Kris yesterday and she said she had pains on her right side..
I'm sorry if I sound bitter today..
I'm still hoping everything goes well..
To all the other sisters, please don't be like me k.. I'm just prone to anxiety disorders..
Jia you!
I haven't been coping very well.. I have extreme fear to go the toilet.. I have had anxiety attacks these past few days since the last pregnyl.. I really feel like af is coming and I'm not gonna test either.. I know I shouldn't be thinking too much but it's inevitable.. All my white cm is positively telling me af is on it's way.. I wish I was still on pregnyl to stop the af for me..
I told my husband not to take leave this Friday.. Felt a bit of redundancy if he took leave..
I'm extremely miserable.. Crying like a mad woman everytime I feel 'wet' down there.. Then, I will dread having to go to the loo to pee..
I SMS-ed Kris yesterday and she said she had pains on her right side..
I'm sorry if I sound bitter today..
I'm still hoping everything goes well..
To all the other sisters, please don't be like me k.. I'm just prone to anxiety disorders..
Jia you!
Silsilly, gal, I understand how u feel. I also feel 'bubbles' down there when i use the loo. Also while others have cramps I have stomach pain instead. Was just talking to my mum over the phone just now that the pain 2 nights ago made me feel like giving up.
Better get hubby to be around for at least half the day. We intend to go out for a good dinner no matter what's the result, and plan a good trip if bfn. My hubby saw me woken up by pain at nearly 4am past mornings, so know what I am going through. We done our best so just got to wait it out. I'm sure ur hubby will want to be around to support u if u let him.
Better get hubby to be around for at least half the day. We intend to go out for a good dinner no matter what's the result, and plan a good trip if bfn. My hubby saw me woken up by pain at nearly 4am past mornings, so know what I am going through. We done our best so just got to wait it out. I'm sure ur hubby will want to be around to support u if u let him.
gd morning everyone,
it's been weeks since i last posted here.
i've finally started my jabs. Today is D4 of lucrin. any cycle buddy?
when i heard the side effects like nauseas, headache, etc from the nurse, i jab myself at night, hoping to sleep over the side effects. who knows, my side effect is insomnia (++"). does anyone experience insomnia from lucrin? thinking to change the jab timing from night to morning. will try one more night before i change. anyone here changed the timing before? how to change from night to morning ar?
it's been weeks since i last posted here.
i've finally started my jabs. Today is D4 of lucrin. any cycle buddy?
when i heard the side effects like nauseas, headache, etc from the nurse, i jab myself at night, hoping to sleep over the side effects. who knows, my side effect is insomnia (++"). does anyone experience insomnia from lucrin? thinking to change the jab timing from night to morning. will try one more night before i change. anyone here changed the timing before? how to change from night to morning ar?
superwhitetiger
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Ritz ... Now that u mention it. The image of prima laksa keeps popping into my mind.
Lol ritz, I am yearning for dumplings - lots of them. Anyone knows where to get nice ones?
Silsilly
Hang in there, it's tough! I've been through it too - the anxiety and fear to even go to the loo to the extent of only drinking minimum water, in order to avoid going to the loo. Btw cm not indication of af as our normal body cycle does not exist during ivf cycle, it's all controlled by the hormones meds.
Nip,
Congrats - Twins - how nice! And really lucky.
Silsilly
Hang in there, it's tough! I've been through it too - the anxiety and fear to even go to the loo to the extent of only drinking minimum water, in order to avoid going to the loo. Btw cm not indication of af as our normal body cycle does not exist during ivf cycle, it's all controlled by the hormones meds.
Nip,
Congrats - Twins - how nice! And really lucky.
PerPer,
I hv been a silent reader quite awhile.
Yes I was hit with insomnia thru'out the whole suppression. Whilst nurses claims I be very tired n gets better sleep on stimulation, it does not happens to me.
I m on night jab too n feels less rushing as well hv the same mindset as u.. Can sleep thru d effects at night.
Having said so, I went thru another fresh cycle n on night jab still. But this rd, I can sleep thru suppression stage. As it nears end of stimulation, I lost my sleep
I guess we react differently to the same med at different timing.
other factors like work stress etc prob do play a part..
Try to stay relax k n this might helps
I hv been a silent reader quite awhile.
Yes I was hit with insomnia thru'out the whole suppression. Whilst nurses claims I be very tired n gets better sleep on stimulation, it does not happens to me.
I m on night jab too n feels less rushing as well hv the same mindset as u.. Can sleep thru d effects at night.
Having said so, I went thru another fresh cycle n on night jab still. But this rd, I can sleep thru suppression stage. As it nears end of stimulation, I lost my sleep
I guess we react differently to the same med at different timing.
other factors like work stress etc prob do play a part..
Try to stay relax k n this might helps
Summer, I can't imagine being thru 2 ectopics - the ectopic affected more than the miscarriages cos it was a healthy fetus just at the wrong place - we saw the heart beating so strongly. I remb I was so desperate that I went for another opinion hoping they can transplant the fetus. - of course not possible but yeah, was that desperate after the 2 miscarriages.
Silsilly, I also think cm may not be af symptom. Who knows, u may be in for a pleasant surprise. At this stage, we just got to keep our spirits up.
I busy myself with some research work for my hubby's coursework, so yesterday dead tired and didn't think too much about anything else. Later will continue to help him coz his assignment due. It keeps my mind off lots of things when Im being kaypo with his stuff.
I busy myself with some research work for my hubby's coursework, so yesterday dead tired and didn't think too much about anything else. Later will continue to help him coz his assignment due. It keeps my mind off lots of things when Im being kaypo with his stuff.
thks ceraine for ur advice..wah, insomnia thru'out the suppression stage? that's few weeks wor. how do u cope? or u just let it be? did u feel tired?
k will try to relax and try for few more nights. i prefer night jab too as no need to rush. if still can't sleep, then got to try morning jab, but i tink the effects will be the same since the medication is in our body thru'out the day. then i'll become a panda liao
r u in any stage now? or alrdy bfp?
k will try to relax and try for few more nights. i prefer night jab too as no need to rush. if still can't sleep, then got to try morning jab, but i tink the effects will be the same since the medication is in our body thru'out the day. then i'll become a panda liao
r u in any stage now? or alrdy bfp?
ineedmiracle
Active Member
Silsilly
Many sistas bfp w a wet feeling. Realli!!! So you hv hope! Mine was a dry feeling. No cm or anything and got bfn. Jiayou!!!
Many sistas bfp w a wet feeling. Realli!!! So you hv hope! Mine was a dry feeling. No cm or anything and got bfn. Jiayou!!!
Silsilly
Perhaps the white CM is due to the progesterone inserts you put in in the morning that cause your cervix to discharge. I experience that everyday since I started with the Crinone gel. For this cycle, after ET, I was put on Crinone gel as well as Pregnyl jabs (twice). I am also hoping CM can be some sign but after smoe research, seems like it is not quite reliable as some women get BFP with alot of CM while others who BFP never had that as a sign. So I think we all should just wait till BT...hand in there...just two more days !
Perhaps the white CM is due to the progesterone inserts you put in in the morning that cause your cervix to discharge. I experience that everyday since I started with the Crinone gel. For this cycle, after ET, I was put on Crinone gel as well as Pregnyl jabs (twice). I am also hoping CM can be some sign but after smoe research, seems like it is not quite reliable as some women get BFP with alot of CM while others who BFP never had that as a sign. So I think we all should just wait till BT...hand in there...just two more days !
Hi gals
Thks for ur consolation.. My bad dream really happens.. I just went for a scan and is confirm that my bb had stop grow at 6wk and no more hb though hv detect hb earlier and today suppose to be my 8th wk. Very sad as i hv been so careful for my this pregnancy n it still fails me.. This is my 3rd mc n i really dun know wht shd i do next time? Really hurt me alot n hv been seeing tcm for one yr last year to tiao myself well after my 2nd mc n yet it still happens.. ;,(
How will i dare to try get pregnant again?
Hi goh, melodi, clb, ltjabi, valteen
Take care.. Hv to leave first.. Sadz that we cant be delivery buddies anymore..
Thks for ur consolation.. My bad dream really happens.. I just went for a scan and is confirm that my bb had stop grow at 6wk and no more hb though hv detect hb earlier and today suppose to be my 8th wk. Very sad as i hv been so careful for my this pregnancy n it still fails me.. This is my 3rd mc n i really dun know wht shd i do next time? Really hurt me alot n hv been seeing tcm for one yr last year to tiao myself well after my 2nd mc n yet it still happens.. ;,(
How will i dare to try get pregnant again?
Hi goh, melodi, clb, ltjabi, valteen
Take care.. Hv to leave first.. Sadz that we cant be delivery buddies anymore..
bluenosebear
Active Member
J03-Hugz. Cry out if U need to.
We are always here to hear U out.
Take care
We are always here to hear U out.
Take care
superwhitetiger
Active Member
j03 - take care of yourself. u want to get another opinion?
glimmer_of_hope
New Member
J03, it really saddens me to see yr post..it hurts us to see u gg thru it once again. Pls take time to heal & understand the suffering to conceive again..but no matter wat happens u hv to pick up yr courage. u still have frozen embryos so don't give up hope. there is a fighter out there i truly bless u for a successful pregnancy next time. now u need to destress & go for a holiday with yr son. Did dr loh advise on why it occurs? can u do some test to know what the prob so u can understand yr situation better.
I also trying my best not to think alot just keep faith and hope to pass thru the mths safely. Thks for yr encouragement, you will move on & be stronger yah..lots of hugzzz
I also trying my best not to think alot just keep faith and hope to pass thru the mths safely. Thks for yr encouragement, you will move on & be stronger yah..lots of hugzzz
j03
oh no, so sorry to hear that. take care of yourself and try again when you have recovered. do a mini confinement. It's hard at this point to think about trying again, but when you have recovered emotionally and physically, your desire to have kids will supercede your fear and you will have the courage to try again. Jia you!
perper/ceraine
i have been having insomnia since the start of every cycle - i think it's more of a stress reaction than due to the meds.
ron
how much egg whites to take - i am taking 4 on alternate days. too much is just...eeww.
hazel
they up the puregon to 400iu today, but after 5 days of jabbing 300iu, the largest is 8mm, and only 6-L, 4-R follicles - i am disappointed cos i never had stims issues, and with PCOS, one would expect more follicles. perhaps because Dr loh change the protocol to the short one and i am not responding as well as it should be.
but then the switch to short protocol was because of the fear of getting OHSS again. the last IVF cycle with OHSS is worse than death!!!!
in a quandary now!
btw there's TS fair at square 2, those in 2www and bored can go stock up your dramas there.
oh no, so sorry to hear that. take care of yourself and try again when you have recovered. do a mini confinement. It's hard at this point to think about trying again, but when you have recovered emotionally and physically, your desire to have kids will supercede your fear and you will have the courage to try again. Jia you!
perper/ceraine
i have been having insomnia since the start of every cycle - i think it's more of a stress reaction than due to the meds.
ron
how much egg whites to take - i am taking 4 on alternate days. too much is just...eeww.
hazel
they up the puregon to 400iu today, but after 5 days of jabbing 300iu, the largest is 8mm, and only 6-L, 4-R follicles - i am disappointed cos i never had stims issues, and with PCOS, one would expect more follicles. perhaps because Dr loh change the protocol to the short one and i am not responding as well as it should be.
but then the switch to short protocol was because of the fear of getting OHSS again. the last IVF cycle with OHSS is worse than death!!!!
in a quandary now!
btw there's TS fair at square 2, those in 2www and bored can go stock up your dramas there.
ineedmiracle
Active Member
babymaking
can share how many did you retrieved and fertilise in the last long protocol? cos Dr loh i suggesting me to take short protocol due to fear of ohss....
can share how many did you retrieved and fertilise in the last long protocol? cos Dr loh i suggesting me to take short protocol due to fear of ohss....
superwhitetiger
Active Member
A silly question - but wat is the meaning of short and long protocol..keep seeing that term mentioned but never did ask.
J03, *hugz*. sad to hear that. cry it out & gv urself sometime to recover physically and mentally. ask ur dr what test can you do to find out the problem of ur repeated mc.
babymaking, i tink the insomnia is more of a med effect though i cannot dismiss stress as a factor too. cos i nvr had any insomnia problem. during my iui, i can sleep peacefully thru'out. r u on morning or night jab? if change to morning jab will hv the same problem, then i'll just keep to night jab. dun wan to change, yet cannot solve the problem, then i hv face the rushing morning + insomnia..arghhh
babymaking, i tink the insomnia is more of a med effect though i cannot dismiss stress as a factor too. cos i nvr had any insomnia problem. during my iui, i can sleep peacefully thru'out. r u on morning or night jab? if change to morning jab will hv the same problem, then i'll just keep to night jab. dun wan to change, yet cannot solve the problem, then i hv face the rushing morning + insomnia..arghhh
summer13
Member
J03, it's really upset me to see ur post. Try again when u r ready since u still hv frozen embbies. I know it's really hard to accept this unfortunate news. Do take care and rest well.
Babymaking, ya ....it's hurt me a lot that I had to go thru 2 ectopic pregnancies and moreover both tubes had to be removed. But time heal my pains. BTW, am also on short protocol for this 2nd attempt. Am only on 5 days letrozole and 6 days 200iu of puregon then ER. On my first scan I had 3 follicles-19mm, 17mm & 14.5mm and I am scheduled to do trigger shot on the next day. I ate 5-10 egg whites during stim stage. But sadly out of 3 only 2 fertilised. Am contented cos am a low ovarian reserve and poor responder. You may want to increase ur egg whites intake.
Ladies, my gum hurt alot. I can't sleep well at night. Anyone can help me?
Babymaking, ya ....it's hurt me a lot that I had to go thru 2 ectopic pregnancies and moreover both tubes had to be removed. But time heal my pains. BTW, am also on short protocol for this 2nd attempt. Am only on 5 days letrozole and 6 days 200iu of puregon then ER. On my first scan I had 3 follicles-19mm, 17mm & 14.5mm and I am scheduled to do trigger shot on the next day. I ate 5-10 egg whites during stim stage. But sadly out of 3 only 2 fertilised. Am contented cos am a low ovarian reserve and poor responder. You may want to increase ur egg whites intake.
Ladies, my gum hurt alot. I can't sleep well at night. Anyone can help me?