IVF/ICSI Support Group

Maggie,
I will be fine. Think my mood is on & off. Sometimes ok, sometimes not. I have done my retail therapy. Time will heal the pain. The BT i think is quite extra one, waste time and money only. Cos my flow is quite a lot tdy liao. I have 7 frozen eggs, so i may do FET next yr. Now i best concentrate on my work and healing my womb.

Ladies,
Just in case some might be keen to know on D5 transfer for FET. I have checked with the nurse, she said it is possible, but of course depends on the embryo if it can survive till then. The embryoist will be able to comment. So if anyone want a FET, u may check with the doc.
 


Hi Meow & Wensi,
Thanks for the reply. Now I am more clear of the situation of private vs sudiary and how they determine. I have already confirm with CHR that I want to be private so that Prof Wong will continue to see me. However Nurse did said that Prof Wong do not see normal preggy woman if manage to success. So if success then private can chose other doc in NUH but must at least stay in B1 in future for delivery. I was refer to CHR by clinic G and afterwhich I saw Prof Wong for evualation and scan at second floor but those pre-ivf tests have subsidy of about 30%.

Will like to check if anyone is having 150iu gonal F. Just went for Day 4 scan(11) and was told to continue with 150....abit worry if the eggs will grow.
 
Hi Su_yana,

I'm so sorry to hear abt ur loss.let me tell u my story and y i'm reading this thread.I had a stillbirth in july 2009.Suddenly,1 day,the baby juz lost her heartbeat at 29 wks.that was my 1st preg.can u imagine my shock? the baby was growing so well all along.1 wk prior to the stillbirth,i had my detailed scan and everything was fine.it hit me very hard.I was devastated.I have already bought all the baby clothes,the stroller,the cot,even the diapers.I was ready to give birth anytime coz i knew birth could happen fr 7 mths onwards.fast fwd.i was keen to try ASAP,and I did.at the end of 2008,i was so frustrated with my hubby for not co-operating,i wanted to have assisted conception so that i did not have to see my hubby's mood.it's my body and cycle that's more impt than his mood.i went to PC wong (referred by MAry rauff NUH) and i had 2 cycles of failed IUI.after the 2 failed IUIs,i conceived naturally.isn't it amazing? BUT! although i was monitored very carefully (weekly),at wk 6,the foetus was found to be growing too slowly.fr wk 6-wk 7,the foetus increased in size.however,it was the size of a wk 5 foetus.a heartbeat was detected,but very faint,which is normal for a wk 5 sized baby.wk 8,the gynae wasn't sure if she saw a heartbeat.so i was sent to ADC downstairs to have a more detailed scan.while waiting for the scan,my heart broke,coz i know wat to expect.my hubby was preparing me for the worse.in the end,i was relieved there was a heartbeat.i was due for a scan on wk 9,but i went a day earlier coz i was doing my post grad at NUH,and i had a long break,so i tot i'll c if i could do the scan.there was no heartbeat.the foetus had shrunk to a ridiculous size.i didn't know how,but i took it calmly.no tears.i was by myself.i could even ring my hubby very calmly and told him we lost the baby.next day,D&C was done.i guess i have been thru' a stillbirth,which was the most heartwrenching thing.for this most recent loss at wk 9 (happened in july),it was a 1st trimester loss and it's the most common time for the body to 'abort' a foetus that has abnormality,i can accept it.so pls think of it as a blessing.if this foetus continued to grow by some sort of miracle,and u lose the baby at a later stage like me,it's even worse.i know how u feel coz this is an IVF baby.i tried 9 long mths for my 2nd baby too.there was no more joy in intercourse.it was tiring,it was mundane,to the point sometimes it felt sickening.

after the D&C,i had my uterine septum ressected 2 wks later.damn painful though it's keyhole surgery.i didn't know how i could mentally put up with it and also physically push myself thru' all this.so now,i'm back to square one.

the reason i'm reading this thread is coz i'm thinking of going straight for IVF once the doc gives me the all clear.i'm still thinking.i have conceive twice naturally,but the whole process (Esp the 2nd time) was juz not enjoyable and really took a toll on me mentally.i don't know how long it's going to take me to conceive again.and i must also make allowance for unsuccessful pregnancies.

LAdies,

Can u share with me the procedure for IVF and how u ppl made it thru? if i do go for IVF,it's prob going to be with PC wong.had anyone has success under him? and can someone also tell me the cost of the treatment? one last thing,did any of u go thru' this all on ur own w/o ur hubby? as in,ur hubby only provided the swimmers.if yes,pls share with me how u mentally made it thru.i mentioned to my hubby the gynae only sees his face when i'm preg.for all other treatment,follow up,even the surgery,i went by myself.at the day surgery,the nurse asked y i'm by myself.and u know wat my hubby's answer to this is? he said,"coz husband is bz".and i wonder y i'm doing this for him.he's losing his friends coz we are not on the same platform with them anymore.all of them have kids and talk abt nothing but kids.having gone thru' a stillbirth,it still hurts,and i don't want to have to pretend to want to play with their kids,but only to have a stabbing pain in my heart.only ppl who have gone thru' so much to conceive knows wat i'm talking abt.and wat broke my heart even more recently is hubby said he loves kids,and when i was preg for 2nd time,he said he'll throw a whole day affair to celebrate his baby's 1 mth old.i can see how much he desires a fam to call his own.i think at tis moment,that's the motivation that's pushing me.
 
Monster
U are truly a fighter! Despite all disppointments and saddness.. U pursued on.. Hope u will have yr dream fulfilled soon..
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lets all jia you!

Jas
Im the same as u! My af came on 13 jul when my ivf failed.. And my next normal af still hvt appear till now.. Last week i saw ewcm.. If that day is my o day.. My o is actually late by 2 weeks.. So i assume my af also late for 2 wks... I guess its normal for cycle to be mess up due to all the injections as had during ivf...

U doing fet or fresh cycle soon? I will be doing fet after 2 normal afs.. Now still wAiting for my first normal af to appear first...
 
Dear sunflower/ Die

i thought the instructions read 6 scoops of ensure powder with cool water? I might also try room temp water follow by a little hot water to disolve powder and taste nicer.

Die, heard progestrone jabs may help the implantation.stay on there!!

ladies, may i know is gonal F really better than puregon?any ladies BFP using puregon 300iu? im injecting lucrin & PUREGON TOGETHER.

Thanks thanks
 
Ladies who are drinking milk,

The reason for cool water to be added is so not to kill all the nutrience in the milk with hot water. So add rm temperature water first then add warm water in maybe like half half. We should not make the milk like coffee and add all hot water.
 
Morning Ladies,

Like what baby Galore menton its good to have 5 serving of fruits and vege. Just bear in mind some fruit that are cooling to avoid are all the melon and certain type of bananas. Also eat all types of fruit in moderation (small portion each time) A friend of mind had like half a water melon and her foetus did not made it.
 
hi alicia

i was using 150IU gonal f for my cycle.
dun worry.. prof will know best.

i had 5 fertilised, 2 embies back in me.
 
Ladies,
Yesterday I rushed down to collect my medicine fr KKIVF. I got a progesterone jab, more folic acid, urogestan inserts, dygesterone tablets and aestrodial tablets. With all this medication, I decided not to take any more Chinese herbs. I took the meds after dinner last night, then once more middle of the night. The bleeding seem to have tapered off to light brown staining as of now.

Also saw Dr Kelly Loi yesterday. She was honest with me in saying that given the low beta count, bleeding and my history, this pregnancy is unlikely to be a healthy one. However as its too early to scan for any definite answer, I will be on these meds until my pregnancy can be confirmed viable or unviable. My next step is to repeat BHCG on Monday to see if the level is doubling..I am scheduled for a scan exactly two weeks fr now n if not gd..will do a d&c.

Even if the bleeding and spotting stops, it could only be due to the meds that Im taking to prevent the lining fr breaking down but the foetus could have alrdy stopped growing altogether.

Hubby and I have given up hope as we have been through the same scenario 4 times before without success. I will update on the 2nd BHCG on Monday.
 
Hi Die,
Do not be discouraged. U have to get sufficient rest for now. I all be there on Monday for a re-test too. Hope you will get good result on the re-test. Hug hug
 
Hi babe79,
I might also be doing FET but most prob in 2010, how many frozen eggs do you have? Are you working? Will you be askin for a D5 transfer?
 
Die,
it's good that u prepare urself for the worse but really.. u wouldn't know wat's the outcome until the very last moment when doc gives the verdict... so now ur embie must be fighting to stay in u ... so u fight on too ya.. not easy but hang in there...

su yana,
my heart goes out to u... pls rest well and do a mini confinement for urself to build up ur health again...

monster,
u r a strong woman... many of our hubbies have risen up to the occasion during our ivf to be supportive and caring... if u r seriously thinking of doing ivf.... do try to involve ur hubby... i'm sure if he sees u going thru the ivf procedures, he'll know wat u are going thru to give him a baby... and that may help him to be more understanding and cooperative...
 
Sofia,
Heheheheee..how I envy you, can wear those super sexy maternity clothes soon…!! Actually do you feel that we woman have advanced a lot..from wearing pajamas or sailor like maternity clothes many many years back to now body hugging and sexy ones….Your daughter must be very fascinated. Ask you, can prof wong’s scanning machine broadcast the heartbeat type?


Aris,
Hang in my girl, its an unimaginably tough and emotionally challenging time for you…come here and vent your frustrations..heartaches to us whenever you need too..we are here to listen k..

I agree with Eskimobaby about the size of the sac, could provide some useful indication while you are waiting..all the best, all the best, all the best k..


Meow,
Great to see you back to your cheerful self..your embies must be doing their work to stick, so you must also create a happy house for them..
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Mrs Ha..
When you equated your experience to US 9/11 + asian tsunami +…, I can’t help to agree more..yes, this journey is like our very own tsunami and traumatizing in every sense..Thanks for your encouragement..I fully subscribe to your attitude of doing our best despite not knowing the outcome. Jia you to you..


Fat babe..
Hug hug tight tight..you are a brave girl and I am glad to be rubbed off by your strength..
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Su_yana
Do do a mini confinement, our mum’s generations all believe its essential to “bu” back during this window, avoid seafood for at least two weeks..take care…do recover in every sense..


Monster,
Welcome
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….was waiting for you to accept the invite to come here and glad you made it…yes, read about what you went through at other threads and you must give yourself some credit for being so strong..For one thing, you are a very thoughtful wife for wanting to give your hubby a complete family. For another, think of this ttc journey as your determination to want to give your motherly love to your own baby and I can see you are capable of so much love..and we all the encouragement flying around here, we can sure make it someday, somehow rite? J

Here is the guideline for the program and how often to go CHR.
In brief,
1. Go see Dr and assess current situation, very likely on the same day as you see dr, if he decides you can do program, he will direct you to ivf centre straightaway for briefing. So best if you can set aside time after your 1st appointment.
2. Take day3/day21 test to check on hormones. These two no need to take leave or see dr, just go hospital on respective days and nurse will take bfor you.
3. Probably need to set aside another appointment for conseulling and signing of forms (kk and nuh different).
4. Hubby need to bring down semen to submit for analysis.
5. Decide on which cycle to start.
6. On 1st day or your menses for that cycle, call centre and centre will arrange for you to go down on day 21 to teach you how to inject lucrin.
7. Day 21, go down centre and inject for 14 days at home.
8. After 14 days, go down centre for blood test to see if hormones suppressed.
9. If suppressed, can start stimulation drug that last for 10-14 days, all DIY
10. The more frequent hospital visit comes in here. Depending on follicle growth, might have to go down 2 to 3 times for scan.
11. Once the follicles are ready, take a jab to "mature" them. Think this one can do at home on your own.
12. On Embryo retrieval day, done at hospital.
13. On E transfer day, done at hospital.
14. After that, its start of 2WW.
*there could be additional visits to gynae depending on if you need to check things with him.

And its better to set aside around SGD2000 of cash depending on how much we use the stimulation drug. The rest will be covered by medisave (about $6000k, sisters, correct me if I wrong)and the subsidies ($3,000)


Attention Develyn!! Heheeee..
For Monster’s concern on how to cope with IVF emotionally, Develyn wrote on a survival kit which I saved in office computer..hope other sister can share it if have it on hand or Develyn come come and share..


Meanwhile, if hubby is involved, generally yes but different couple work on different dynamics. So Monster, think you need to slowly communicate with him about the emotional challenges you face..One way is one day when he is free, show him this thread which will tell me how much struggles we face and hardwork we put in. That might shed some light for him about your need to have his support. Good luck Monster…
 
Die,
I appreciate your updating us...sayang sayang, its not easy for you having to go through the ordeal and still update us..if you need to rest, go ahead, go somewhere that can make you feel better. Huggz huggz...its can be beyond anyone's tolerance to go through the heartache so many times...

I still hope things will improve and all the best to you and your little one and also to your hubby..in the meantime, if you need any kind of info and emotional support, we are here k..
 
hi su yana,
do stay positive and try again. You have succeed before and i am sure you will make it again.

hi monster,
you are very strong. I have read about how single ladies in other countries gone through ivf by using donated sperms and raise the child on their own. I feel that they are brave to go ahead with an open mindset. I don't mean that you have to imagine yourself as a single lady trying ivf but could learn from their attitude to proceed with the journey. It will be good if your hubby can still be a little more involve in the process but even if he is busy, you can still do it on your own, have faith and you will make it one day.

hi die,
I hope your hcg will increase on monday, hang on.
 
Hi babygalore
I m trying my best to stay positive la. Watching tv to pass time loh. But at times also can't help but worry.

Medisave 1st claim is 6k, not 6000k wor. Typo bah.
 
hi Aris,

i am too having twins. but doc only detect hearbeat during my 10 wks scan. so dont lose hope. hope for the best and we pray hard for u.
 
Fat babe
I have 8 frozen embies.. All are d3... Only one is grade 1(1 being the best).. A few are grade 1-2... 8cell... The rest are not too good.. Fewer than 8cell... So i think i only have one chance of fet.. If fail.. May go for fresh cycle... How abt u?

Now still waiting for my first normal af to come... Cos dr say must hv 2 normal af before can do fet.. So i think likely to be end sept or oct... What a long wait..
 
To all ladies, thanx for the words of encouragement.

To Monster, I know the pain that you went through. Still birth and miscarriage at week9. The pain of yours will definitely be more painful than mine. But a pain is a pain. Be it a small or big one. I agree with you, if the baby were to continue to grow and losing it at a later stage will be more painful than what I am going through now. I just hope that the experience I had will just be the first and final one. I do not know if I can cope if it happen again the next time round.
This is my ivf attempt. I suceeded with Prof Wong's help and of course God's willing. This is the one I had been hoping for 7 years and it is extremely difficult just to know it is gone within a week.
I hope I can conceive naturally...i am hoping...If possilbe I do not want to go through all the needles and injections.
Many ppl said that "you are young....should just try again". Iknow this ppl meant well. But to get married at the age of 24...going through so many fertility treatment and getting pg at age of 31 and losing it ...do you think it was an easy journey for me to get pg...it was not...so that was not a comfort for me....frankly speaking, i hate when ppl told me that.
Monster, if you want to know more about IVF with NUH....just ask me or PM me...will be glad to help you. I am lucky to have a supporting husband. He was with me with all the tests and dr appointment.

BTW, those who are pg, what was the size of the fetus when you go for the scan at week 6/7..just want to know if my fetus was already not growing wellat week 6. Mine was about 38mm..not too sure if was considered good...the heartbeat seems ok and dr agreed with it.
 
baby79,
i have no frozen embryos so no FET, considering third round but have wait till hubby sperm is ok then we will move on to our third cycle.
 
I've just failed my SO-IUI (2nd) and guess the next will be the IVF, will be having doc visit in Sept.

Just wondering... can I start IVF after one month rest (after IUI)?
 
Seed,

I called up KKIVF this morn as asked if i can do a BT to check on FSH and the nurse said it is possible and she will prepare the form for me.

However, BT can only be done on D2 or D3 of menses and not take any herbal stuff before gg for the BT. So guess when my next AF reports, i will go down to check
 
hi thanks a lot for the encouragement..

i went again to kk a&e yest as my blood was red instead and needed a pad but just like one for whole day.

they found the sac but no heartbeat and did not want to arrange a d&c for me and ask me to wait for my appt and if i bleed more come again to scan, and c if the body dispels the foetus by itself so no washing needed.

the doc is amazingly good and even ask me to take the prog jab to stabilize the pregnancy.

i have spent a few hundreds in a span of few days..for scans etc and its all still the same..

i really pray that if itsnot meant to be then dispel from the body so i can close these chapter.
 
Hi Minnie
How was your scan today? My eggs are at the right sizes so ER will be on monday.

Meanwhile, I still have mild diarrhea and dare not take take ensure milk since yesterday.. Haiz..wrong timing..
 
hi su_yana.. i tot i saw you and a bald man walking towards CHR. at that time i was seated waiting to see prof. i am sorry for your loss. didn't know you waited that long before deciding on IVF and indeed, you are lucky for such a supporting husband.

after my ectopic pregnancy in 2005, i fell into depression w/o realising it. worse, my ex husband was not supportive and sensitive at all. it was Ramadhan. just a week after i was discharged, i asked to go JB to breakfast. he refused. when we were at void deck, i asked again. he threw the keys on the floor for me to pick up. i went upstairs and cried non-stop till midnight. all the time i felt like killing myself for being such a lousy mother! it was only when i heard my daughter's cries outside the door that i realized what was going on with me. it was also the turning point in our marriage... it didn't took me long to decide it was all over.

first & foremost, as a woman & wife, having a supportive and loving husband is important. insyaallah... don't give up the fight (i'm sure you won't). there have been miracle stories of couples who conceived naturally... perhaps thanks to all the stimulation.
 
Sofia,
U r such a strong woman for going through a previous bad marriage and ectopic pregnancy. This forum reminds me of the courage and strength of so many ladies who have gone through such tribulations and yet emerged stronger. I, too am determined not to let myself break from my failure..I will allow myself to grieve..and heal..and remind myself that what doesnt kill me only makes me stronger.All the ladies here r such an inspiration to me and I feel that I am not alone..so many sisters stand united here with me and encouraging me in my darkest period..

Aris,
I am in the same situation as u now..waiting..waiting..not knowing the outcome..its a terrible sinking feeling..I too hope for this chapter to end soon..and get on with my life again.
 
hi meow and die... but that was not the worst nightmare for me. i came out of the marriage, totally broken. ira was so affected by the separation and i almost lost my one & only child when she climbed over the service balcony's parapet to get to the kitchen. we were staying on 7th floor. when i found out, i had a nervous breakdown so bad that i couldn't talk for days!thank god, my present husband (then only a friend) together with my mom helped us overcome it. talking abt it now, i can feel shivers down my spine... :-(

ladies... at times life may seemed impossibly difficult for us, and at others, unfair. but God, i believe, has His ways of showing us the way. u know... my mom was so impressed with my husband, that she was the one who proposed to him 6 months after we dated. & he agreed!!!! :pP
 
Hi Sofia, yes, i was with the "bald man"
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my hubby....the heat is killing him so that was why he decided that "hairstyle".
If not we could have chatted for awhile. I was on the way to go to the day surgery ward.
May I ask the size of fetus when wk6 scan? I just want to compare with mine and see was mine already not in the correct size for my first scan.

Sofia, you are really another a strong woman with that kind of experience...i hope everything will be fine with you and ur baby. When is your next appointment? Will Prof be following you till u give birth?
 
hi su_yana... at week 6 scan it was 0.9cm. ytd, it was 2.2cm. i was thinking of changing to my previous gynae, Dr YS Chong (also with NUH, at Sapphire clinic) but my husband prefered to stick to Prof. i am seeing him in another 2 weeks' time.

thank you for your kind wishes. i hope so too. btw, you must take good care of yourself now and rest well. don't keep any sadness within yourself... do 'release' them.
 
sofia

glad that u found ur special someone who was there for u when u needed him most.

hehehe.. so cute.. ur mum proposed to him..
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Sofia, i think i can somehow conclude that mine had a not so good start. My week 6 scan was around 0.35cm only. Maybe that is the reason they had asked me to see prof on week 7 instead of later. I will be seeing prof for my post op review...i think around 3rd sept.

And i will be releasing lots of sadness here and hopefully happiness here too...
 
hi ladies

i cant believe it. i hvnt stepped out of the house since tuesday! i'm so bored..

now my neighbour must be thinking my hubby 'killed' me something.. cos they hasnt seen me for so long.
 
Hi Greenie,
Congratulations! Hope you have a smooth ER on Monday...So envious...
What are your eggs size today?

My eggs are growing but slowly, need to go back for scan again on Monday...*SIGH*
BTW, are you the one wearing Black and was sitting near the BT Room while waiting for your scan?
 
hi meow... then you better go for a nice evening walk at the park later! hahahahah... if you are up to it, there's a nice seafood place near NSRCC - at Changi Sailing Club. it is not so crowded there. table seating by the sea, nice seabreeze and planes flying over head. we love it there.
 
sofia

my mum said better dun go out yet wor..
so i am still at home.. intend to cook dinner tonight loh..

no..i shld loiter just outside my neighbour's front door to let them SEE me.. hahaa.. if not.. they are waiting to dial 999 when there is a foul smell emitting from my place. hahaha
 
hi su_yana... i found so much support and encouragement here from meow, babygalore, lina ang, eskimobaby, develyn, aris... many more.. you will too.

are you planning to continue with Prof once you are better?

ytd, my husband planned to ask Prof if we can already have sex but he chickened out. i asked instead. when Prof gave a firm "NO"... my husband mocked a disappointed expression. & my little brat couldn't stop laughing. in the end, even Prof & the nurse, and us, ended up laughing!
 
meow...heheheheh...love your humour!! i think National Service Resorts & Country Club at Tanah Merah. i was there about 2 weeks ago for chili crab... yum yum!
 
hi su yana

yep. i found my emotional support from the sisters in this forum too!

hi sofia
u are like my big sister here cos i know u will answer my qns when u log in. :p
cant wait for ur bb to grow grow grow! u will be a very good mother!
 
huh!!! CHILLI CRAB!!! i got that craving since yday!!

actually... i got lots of food cravings recently.. chicken rice.. chilli crab, fried bee hoon, mee siam..
 
heh.. hokkien mee was mentioned by maggiemee if i am not wrong.. the one at compasspt right?

shucks.. now i want hokkien mee too..
shall add that to my list

oh oh. i wanna eat buffet also.. dim sum.. and seafood!! arggh!!
 
Sofia, will continue with Prof once we r ready for next IVF cycle. Its easier to follow up there since they have the record. I will see prof in 2 weeks time for my post operation. After that i will see his recommendation.

Any recmmendation to increase quality of male sperm....??? Prof could only suggest vitamin e....
 
Hi Aris,

Dun think too much ok ? Anyway, you are still very young and got 3 embryo in you... $$ can earn back... you still have adam.. i understand your agony..
Best of luck.. : )

wensi,
Can i ask you why it is this going to be the last cycle ? You only want 1 bb isit ? Good luck with nuh..you are in good hands.. I wld love to jump ship to nuh but decided to take things slowly.

Die,
Dun dispair... Although you have 4 miscarriage.. it shows that you are fertile.. can get BFP 4 times...btw ALL the people i know with miscarriage ALL conceive later in life... i am sure it will happen to you too !
 


hi su_yana... my husband was also given Vitamin E. you can try Blackmores Men's Performance Multi. i got it for my husband but it didn't help much for him coz he smokes menthol... he produced only 3 million soldiers and it was rated "sluggish".

hi meow...i think so. implantation shd take place during these period. how u feeling so far?
 
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