IVF/ICSI Support Group

Hi all, my 1st cycle with SGH resulted in etopic :(. I was given an appointment in May to see my doc, by then they would ask me the golden question, "want to try 2nd cycle" I am not sure if i have the physical and mental health to go through another cycle. I get emo when i start thinking of this.... :confused:
Hugs odie24... my first cycle also resulted in ectopic and my left tube was removed. It has been 5 months and I still miss my babies. Give yourself some times... don't rush. Try again when u are both physically and mentally ready. I know it is not easy... I almost wanted to give up after my surgery. I was very very scared of another pregnancy loss (I had 1 miscarriage before my 1st cycle). But when I think of my 3 snow babies... I know they are waiting for me and I really hope to have child of my own. That is what give me the courage to try again (I am gg for FET in may)... and also this forum.. all the ladies are super brave and keep trying despite failures ( they sort of influence me in a positive way :)). So don't give up ya... stop when u want to but if u think you will regret without trying again then don't stop. Meanwhile take these time to tiao your body to prepare for your next cycle. Jiayou!
 


Hi skyangel, thanks for your advice! My husband has already started medication 6 weeks prior to SA and I have informed Dr, but he said can proceed as there will be no adverse effect. His SA result was abnormal and warrant attention because Dr feels that it dropped too fast, so he suspect is something abnormal and hence the follow up ultrasound and blood tests on his hormones. Subsequently Dr told us that his medication may affect his hormones which results in poor SA readings. Quite unhappy by this inconsistency but he explained that he do not know all medications.

We explained to the doctor regarding the condition and the reason why we cannot start IVF now and he did offer to do a urine test, but we rejected because the urologists has confirmed that it was a side effect of his kidney stone medication and should recover after he stop taking them. Moreover, Dr has run a lot of tests on my husband already and my husband do not wish to continue testing for unnecessary things.

Dr did not explain why fresh cycles were not recommended for me, he just told me the success rates are higher if I do egg retrieval in one cycle and embryo transfer the next. This could be because I have not make the decision to embark on IVF yet. Thanks for your explanation on the funding for the separate cycles.

Regarding the school of thought, can I also know if the chance of having a deformed baby increase with frozen cycle? Because embryo have been frozen and thawed, not sure if there will be damage to the cells, understand that a frozen embryo has a survival rate of around 80% when thawed (from KKHIVF centre website).. Sorry if my question sounds stupid medically. I hope I can do a fresh cycle transfer if I can since it has a clinically proven higher success rate (from KKHIVF centre website too).

Yes I am still stuck between TFC and KKH.... I had Dr Teo looking after my first preg without complication so is natural that I go back to him. But he is still considered one of the younger specialists around so I hope to know more about his experiences. If I go back to KKH again I have no doctor in mind too. I am quite taken aback that I need to do IVF, so am gathering feedback and views while slowly wait until my husband recover then decide again. Even the Dr said the difference actually lies with me as my husband will only just be in charge of producing sample in the same manner as IUI. I am hoping that his SA would be better after he stops his treatment and after the drugs have all been passed out (not sure how long, sigh). That being said, if the medication doesn't work, he will have to undergo surgery, not a good time to embark on IVF in the near future.
 
Last edited:
Since the SA is done after starting meds there is a possibility that the sperm sample provided wasn't the complete sample (I.e. The retrograde ejaculation issue was present already, provided other possible factors such as abstinence period, major illness apart from the kidney stone issue are ruled out).

Do check with the urologist what should be the time interval after stopping the meds before going for sperm check to ensure accurate results. Do keep the retrograde semen analysis at the back of the mind also as a possible test to do if the repeat SA comes back similar to the recent SA. Of course this means additional costs, so consider carefully whether it's worth to go for it.

I've never done a frozen transfer, but from what I read up the chances of deformities with frozen transfers do not differ from fresh transfer. When the embryos are thawed, the lab will check that the embryos are surviving with very little or no damage before transfer. Those that do not survive thawing or become abnormal (many fragmentation, very slow cell division for example) are not transferred.

While fresh transfer is still sorta the 'best' outcome, as mentioned in my previous post your physical health is important also. The dr may recommend doing a frozen transfer if he/she feels that doing a fresh transfer will harm you instead (the worsening OHSS being the main point - it can become life-threatening at the most serious stage), or if certain factors may result in drop in success rate (e.g. high progesterone levels before egg retrieval - won't do the full explanation here for now). So be open to the idea - yes it means waiting longer before reuniting with your embryo, but won't it be better to reunite when your body is in a better condition, to give it the best chance?

All said and done, priority's for your husband to get better. Don't rush through the decision - most importantly whatever you have decided on, it should be with full knowledge and little regrets.
 
Thanks for your detailed and informative reply!

But sometimes, I wonder if I am reading up too much and in fact, makes me even more nervous and stress in making the "correct choice".
 
@red.koi.junie, I agree with skyangel too. If suspect medication affects SA, should do one more SA at appropriate time after stopping meds. If after all tests, SA indicates sub optimal sperm quality, the fact is doing ICSI instead of iui will give you better chances. When my hubby's sperms showed improvement over the course of 2 fresh cycles and doc suggested can try iui, we did another SA 3 months after the last SA result to confirm. We realised the sperm quality was not consistently good and morphology was still 0% very likely because of his high blood pressure medication and partly his age though there was improvement in concentration & motility. As such, we went on to next fresh instead of trying IUI.

With cryo preservation as today's freezing method, studies showed that thawed frozen embryos are as good as they are fresh and their implantation and live birth success rates are not compromised. A thawed frozen embryo that does not survive is usually more due to the inherent quality issue, ie chromosome abnormality than due to thawing process.

I have done both fresh and frozen cycles. All with excellent or good grade embryos. The only difference was the last frozen cycle which gave me my bfp was that I had good quantity of frozen day 2 embryos which allowed us to try culturing to day 5 blastocysts. I had 2 fair grade blastocysts (4BC and an early blastocyst) transferred and bfp with singleton.

I once asked Dr Loh if fresh or frozen better success rate. He said each has its own advantages and you can't really compare fairly. There are more cases of fresh transfers partly because many patients also don't have frozen embryos. If a patient has good quality frozen embryos, there is always a chance that you strike a viable life birth with a normal embryo in a frozen cycle. Regardless fresh or frozen cycle, if there are no known health issues in the female affecting implantation or the womb from sustaining a pregnancy, the key to bfp is having a chromosomally normal embryo.

Regarding the choice of Doctor, I do believe in having rapport and chemistry with your doctor before you start the process. My hubby & I may have a good experience at TMC, have good chemistry with Dr Loh and succeeded with him, but this may not mean the same with everyone coz human perceptions and feelings are involved. If your hubby or yourself already feel reservations with Dr Teo this round, it will be worthwhile taking time to seek 2nd opinion and find someone both of you will comfortable with. There is too much at stake and too much investment (financial, emotional, physical & mental, time) and it warrants serious consideration to make a decision that ultimately you and your hubby can agree and feel comfortable together.
 
@red.koi.junie, I agree with skyangel too. If suspect medication affects SA, should do one more SA at appropriate time after stopping meds. If after all tests, SA indicates sub optimal sperm quality, the fact is doing ICSI instead of iui will give you better chances. When my hubby's sperms showed improvement over the course of 2 fresh cycles and doc suggested can try iui, we did another SA 3 months after the last SA result to confirm. We realised the sperm quality was not consistently good and morphology was still 0% very likely because of his high blood pressure medication and partly his age though there was improvement in concentration & motility. As such, we went on to next fresh instead of trying IUI.

With cryo preservation as today's freezing method, studies showed that thawed frozen embryos are as good as they are fresh and their implantation and live birth success rates are not compromised. A thawed frozen embryo that does not survive is usually more due to the inherent quality issue, ie chromosome abnormality than due to thawing process.

I have done both fresh and frozen cycles. All with excellent or good grade embryos. The only difference was the last frozen cycle which gave me my bfp was that I had good quantity of frozen day 2 embryos which allowed us to try culturing to day 5 blastocysts. I had 2 fair grade blastocysts (4BC and an early blastocyst) transferred and bfp with singleton.

I once asked Dr Loh if fresh or frozen better success rate. He said each has its own advantages and you can't really compare fairly. There are more cases of fresh transfers partly because many patients also don't have frozen embryos. If a patient has good quality frozen embryos, there is always a chance that you strike a viable life birth with a normal embryo in a frozen cycle. Regardless fresh or frozen cycle, if there are no known health issues in the female affecting implantation or the womb from sustaining a pregnancy, the key to bfp is having a chromosomally normal embryo.

Regarding the choice of Doctor, I do believe in having rapport and chemistry with your doctor before you start the process. My hubby & I may have a good experience at TMC, have good chemistry with Dr Loh and succeeded with him, but this may not mean the same with everyone coz human perceptions and feelings are involved. If your hubby or yourself already feel reservations with Dr Teo this round, it will be worthwhile taking time to seek 2nd opinion and find someone both of you will comfortable with. There is too much at stake and too much investment (financial, emotional, physical & mental, time) and it warrants serious consideration to make a decision that ultimately you and your hubby can agree and feel comfortable together.


Hi, my husband has high blood and taking medication too for a couple of years! Dr Teo is aware too, but he has not attribute the drastic drop in sperm quality to it. I think his morphology is 1% and concentration is 2.3mil. Not sure if we need to do ICSI. Will leave it to the doctor to decide. Yes will do another round of SA after he stops his kidney stone medication, but if his high blood pressure is the cause of low SA readings, then it won't improve much. How can we find out? Dr Teo also also advised that for my husband taking men Heath supplements won't help in improving.
 
I'm guessing the first SA was done when your husband's already having the high blood pressure condition and on meds? That SA can be used as a baseline, although that's provided his condition has been stable (no fluctuations between good and poor control of blood pressure) and keeping in mind the age factor. Unfortunately the SA will not be able to differentiate on the cause of the low SA readings.

There is no harm in getting him to take supplements, however small the chance of improving the sperm quality. The main aim's to get his body to be healthy. But again it's cost consideration, so have to think whether want to spend such money or not.
 
I'm guessing the first SA was done when your husband's already having the high blood pressure condition and on meds? That SA can be used as a baseline, although that's provided his condition has been stable (no fluctuations between good and poor control of blood pressure) and keeping in mind the age factor. Unfortunately the SA will not be able to differentiate on the cause of the low SA readings.

There is no harm in getting him to take supplements, however small the chance of improving the sperm quality. The main aim's to get his body to be healthy. But again it's cost consideration, so have to think whether want to spend such money or not.

Yes he has it for a couple of years but I can't recall was it before my IUI or after IUI. Definitely before his first SA for our second time TTC.

Anyway no point finding out, as his blood pressure has been stable with the medication for these years. Not worthwhile to change his medication for this purpose.
 
Hi ladies, I'm just wondering if you all sleep in aircon room or just having the fan on? My fan is stationery and sometimes I find myself not with blanket and fan is blowing directly at me when I wake up. I dislike sleeping in aircon as my nose will be mildly block but I don't think the wind from the fan blowing at us is good? But air con not any better also right? Help !
 
Yes he has it for a couple of years but I can't recall was it before my IUI or after IUI. Definitely before his first SA for our second time TTC.

Anyway no point finding out, as his blood pressure has been stable with the medication for these years. Not worthwhile to change his medication for this purpose.
My hubby's first SA was done when he was already on his daily BP medication for at least 2 yrs. He has done all he could to improve his health since we start first fresh cycle. The only factor he had constant was continuing his bp medication. I did my own research and found articles stating that the calcium channel blockers in such med can affect sperm quality. The fact is Ivf docs are not expertise on all effects of all types of medication. So even Dr Loh cannot conclude it is exactly due to my hubby's high bp med. But he did advise that should not stop the medication as the purpose of the medication is to regulate the BP to prevent sudden spikes or dip and to stop the medication may carry more risks compromising his health & will not help his sperms.

That said, his efforts to improve his health did help tremendously as he managed to improve his concentration & motility to above normal so the embryologist told us they could avoid processing with centrifugal 'wash' (to remove debris thereby achieving a higher concentrated specimen) and just did sperm selection from the batch after direct swim up of the best motile sperms.
 
Hi ladies, I'm just wondering if you all sleep in aircon room or just having the fan on? My fan is stationery and sometimes I find myself not with blanket and fan is blowing directly at me when I wake up. I dislike sleeping in aircon as my nose will be mildly block but I don't think the wind from the fan blowing at us is good? But air con not any better also right? Help !
I used to sleep in air con daily but frequently got blocked nose due to dryness. Then I got a humidifier which worked for me and have been using it every night. I got a mobile oscillating fan. Now I only sleep with aircon if it is really too warm and stuffy. Otherwise, I will on the aircon about 30min to cool the room, then I will switch it off and on the fan, open bit of the window for fresh air before turning in for the night.
 
My hubby's first SA was done when he was already on his daily BP medication for at least 2 yrs. He has done all he could to improve his health since we start first fresh cycle. The only factor he had constant was continuing his bp medication. I did my own research and found articles stating that the calcium channel blockers in such med can affect sperm quality. The fact is Ivf docs are not expertise on all effects of all types of medication. So even Dr Loh cannot conclude it is exactly due to my hubby's high bp med. But he did advise that should not stop the medication as the purpose of the medication is to regulate the BP to prevent sudden spikes or dip and to stop the medication may carry more risks compromising his health & will not help his sperms.

That said, his efforts to improve his health did help tremendously as he managed to improve his concentration & motility to above normal so the embryologist told us they could avoid processing with centrifugal 'wash' (to remove debris thereby achieving a higher concentrated specimen) and just did sperm selection from the batch after direct swim up of the best motile sperms.


I agree with you. I think the best bet for him is to try lose weight, which I have been telling him all the while. He is already pretty healthy in my opinion quit smoking and alcohol. Just weight issues and late nights due to shift work.
 
Hi ladies, I'm just wondering if you all sleep in aircon room or just having the fan on? My fan is stationery and sometimes I find myself not with blanket and fan is blowing directly at me when I wake up. I dislike sleeping in aircon as my nose will be mildly block but I don't think the wind from the fan blowing at us is good? But air con not any better also right? Help !

I sleep with both on cos it's too warm. If you on the fan, try to wear socks if you don't use a blanket cos it's not good to keep the feet cold.
 
I used to sleep in air con daily but frequently got blocked nose due to dryness. Then I got a humidifier which worked for me and have been using it every night. I got a mobile oscillating fan. Now I only sleep with aircon if it is really too warm and stuffy. Otherwise, I will on the aircon about 30min to cool the room, then I will switch it off and on the fan, open bit of the window for fresh air before turning in for the night.
oh! humidifier.. thats a good idea! thanks for the tip! I just feel the wind keeps entering our body.. like not a good thing for TTC
 
I sleep with both on cos it's too warm. If you on the fan, try to wear socks if you don't use a blanket cos it's not good to keep the feet cold.
yes i realized i always have cold feet. I think the nature of my body is the more cooling side. hands feet easily cold. That's why I am thinking about the fan thing. not so nice to let the wind penetrate into my body like this as i usually have the fan stationery.
 
yes i realized i always have cold feet. I think the nature of my body is the more cooling side. hands feet easily cold. That's why I am thinking about the fan thing. not so nice to let the wind penetrate into my body like this as i usually have the fan stationery.

Yup, the fan cannot be direct at your feet and do wear socks. A few massage aunties already told me that for TTC, feet must not be cold. I wore socks during 2ww and during the first trimester.
 
Hi friends

I'm new to this forum posted some replies in another chat on my chemical pregnancy in March. I think you all are a group of strong ladies and I salute all of you for not giving up.

In my Ivf journey this is my first iVF and first FET in which I had my chemical pregnancy. Feeling very devastated at first but learning to accept the lost now.

Wishing you all the best in your journey. I will go for another FET in June so hope it will be better this time.
 
Hi friends

I'm new to this forum posted some replies in another chat on my chemical pregnancy in March. I think you all are a group of strong ladies and I salute all of you for not giving up.

In my Ivf journey this is my first iVF and first FET in which I had my chemical pregnancy. Feeling very devastated at first but learning to accept the lost now.

Wishing you all the best in your journey. I will go for another FET in June so hope it will be better this time.
Hi pacpl, stay strong and take good care of yourself. All the best for your FET! Jia you!
 
Hi friends

I'm new to this forum posted some replies in another chat on my chemical pregnancy in March. I think you all are a group of strong ladies and I salute all of you for not giving up.

In my Ivf journey this is my first iVF and first FET in which I had my chemical pregnancy. Feeling very devastated at first but learning to accept the lost now.

Wishing you all the best in your journey. I will go for another FET in June so hope it will be better this time.
good luck for your FET in June!
 
Hi friends

I'm new to this forum posted some replies in another chat on my chemical pregnancy in March. I think you all are a group of strong ladies and I salute all of you for not giving up.

In my Ivf journey this is my first iVF and first FET in which I had my chemical pregnancy. Feeling very devastated at first but learning to accept the lost now.

Wishing you all the best in your journey. I will go for another FET in June so hope it will be better this time.
All the best for ur next fet!!
 
Thank you :) any tips to strengthen the body I don't know what the implantation failed last time :(
for me what i did was drinking red bean soup plus raspberry tea daily. then alternate days will be eys chicken essence. Avoid cold drinks. Oh ya not forgetting Longan Red dates tea daily too. Sleep with socks on for aircon room. Eat more vege and protein rich food. Rest early. Maybe others sisters can provide more info on this :)
 
Thank you :) any tips to strengthen the body I don't know what the implantation failed last time :(
there can be many reasons leh. what was your thickness of your lining? If it is less than 8mm, its considered on the thin side, then you can eat/drink lining enhancer foods to help. If too thick, you have to discuss with the doc and test progesterone levels before transfer... How do you know it was implantation failure and not embryo stopped developing?
 
Hi friends

I'm new to this forum posted some replies in another chat on my chemical pregnancy in March. I think you all are a group of strong ladies and I salute all of you for not giving up.

In my Ivf journey this is my first iVF and first FET in which I had my chemical pregnancy. Feeling very devastated at first but learning to accept the lost now.

Wishing you all the best in your journey. I will go for another FET in June so hope it will be better this time.

*big hugs* Take your time to heal and then try again! Don't ever give up! Have faith that your dream will come true.

This was what I did for my FET :

Crinone inserts twice daily from FET
Progesterone injection on FET morning and every 3 days (in total only 4 injections)
Laugh a lot on ET day
Took 1 week leave after ET as only had 1 day HL.
Massage plus ginger wrap 1 week before FET
Wear socks at home and when sleeping

Food wise :
Didn’t stop taking Vitamin Code Raw Prenatals
Durian a few days before and after ET
Daily :
Longan red date tea
Brazil nuts
Walnuts
Raisins
Figs
Golden Kiwi

No cold water
No tea/coffee
Confinement food for 2 weeks after FET
Lots of plain water (I bought mineral water)
Continued my Reserve by Jeunesse once a day
1 tsp chlorophyll in water daily
 
Hi friends

I'm new to this forum posted some replies in another chat on my chemical pregnancy in March. I think you all are a group of strong ladies and I salute all of you for not giving up.

In my Ivf journey this is my first iVF and first FET in which I had my chemical pregnancy. Feeling very devastated at first but learning to accept the lost now.

Wishing you all the best in your journey. I will go for another FET in June so hope it will be better this time.
I do agree that your emotions will be like a roller coaster... I am still recovering from ectopic ... But seriously time will heal. When you feel down talk to hubby or just cry it out you will feel much better... keep inside will go crazy...

All the best to you FET in June....
 
Hi friends

I'm new to this forum posted some replies in another chat on my chemical pregnancy in March. I think you all are a group of strong ladies and I salute all of you for not giving up.

In my Ivf journey this is my first iVF and first FET in which I had my chemical pregnancy. Feeling very devastated at first but learning to accept the lost now.

Wishing you all the best in your journey. I will go for another FET in June so hope it will be better this time.
Hi pacpl... *hugs* Am sorry to hear what happen to you but am glad that u are learning to accept and moving on.
Take good care & all the best for your FET in June. Let jiayou together!
 
Hi muff... your hcg went down completely already? I hope it did...
Mrs chan! Good evening. I don't know but I'm going to get poked again tomorrow. Hope it goes down. Otherwise I'm not sure what to do. Don't feel like a second jab of MTX. Downtime too long. Actually I can't even build my body now if hcg doesn't go down. Sob sob
 
*big hugs* Take your time to heal and then try again! Don't ever give up! Have faith that your dream will come true.

This was what I did for my FET :

Crinone inserts twice daily from FET
Progesterone injection on FET morning and every 3 days (in total only 4 injections)
Laugh a lot on ET day
Took 1 week leave after ET as only had 1 day HL.
Massage plus ginger wrap 1 week before FET
Wear socks at home and when sleeping

Food wise :
Didn’t stop taking Vitamin Code Raw Prenatals
Durian a few days before and after ET
Daily :
Longan red date tea
Brazil nuts
Walnuts
Raisins
Figs
Golden Kiwi

No cold water
No tea/coffee
Confinement food for 2 weeks after FET
Lots of plain water (I bought mineral water)
Continued my Reserve by Jeunesse once a day
1 tsp chlorophyll in water daily

Wow that's a lot of nutritious foods to eat. May I know if the confinement food you ate contains ginger?
 
Hi pacpl... *hugs* Am sorry to hear what happen to you but am glad that u are learning to accept and moving on.
Take good care & all the best for your FET in June. Let jiayou together!
Hi Mrs Chan

Yes let's Jia you together! Are you going for ET in June too?
 
I do agree that your emotions will be like a roller coaster... I am still recovering from ectopic ... But seriously time will heal. When you feel down talk to hubby or just cry it out you will feel much better... keep inside will go crazy...

All the best to you FET in June....
Thanks Odie

I went thru a rough patch over that Teo weeks while waiting to bleed. My mind just went blank and Everyday it was just living in a shell kind of feeling. Didn't help that family didn't really understood how I felt. Hubby tried to b supportive but he cannot register the emotional pain n physical pain of letting go.

Only time n keeping to the faith can heal. You take care too :)
 
there can be many reasons leh. what was your thickness of your lining? If it is less than 8mm, its considered on the thin side, then you can eat/drink lining enhancer foods to help. If too thick, you have to discuss with the doc and test progesterone levels before transfer... How do you know it was implantation failure and not embryo stopped developing?
My lining was 8.5 when I miscarried my gynae said there was implantation but embryos didn't develop could be due to body rejecting them cos they are not okay

What kind of enhancer foods can I take to thicken lining?
 
My lining was 8.5 when I miscarried my gynae said there was implantation but embryos didn't develop could be due to body rejecting them cos they are not okay

What kind of enhancer foods can I take to thicken lining?
Asians say red bean soup, longan red date tea. Ang mo say raspberry tea helps. If Body rejects then did gynae suggest to test auto immune system? Hmm
 
Mrs chan! Good evening. I don't know but I'm going to get poked again tomorrow. Hope it goes down. Otherwise I'm not sure what to do. Don't feel like a second jab of MTX. Downtime too long. Actually I can't even build my body now if hcg doesn't go down. Sob sob
Muff dear.. hope your bt today will come back good. True lor... if hcg never go down it is very difficult to tiao your body and prepare for the next cycle. You are very 坚强... despite your own situation, you still went around encouraging other ladies in the forum and giving them advice. Thumb up for u! :)
Please continue to stay strong and positive! I hope 老天爷 will bless a nice lady like you with a bundle of joy soon! Praying the best for you!
 
Last edited:
Muff dear.. hope your bt today will come back good. True lor... if hcg never go down it is very difficult to tiao your body and prepare for the next cycle. You are very 坚强... despite your own situation, you still went around encouraging other ladies in the forum and giving them advice. Thumb up for u! :)
Please continue to stay strong and positive! I hope 老天爷 will bless a nice lady like you with a bundle of joy soon! Praying the best for you!
Hehe 谢谢 maybe brain spoil liao. I'm still quite happy about life. Most Impt thing is I'm alive. Alive then got hope right? Haha 老天 like always tekan me lei. Don't know when will have a baby of my own. Sigh
 
Hehe 谢谢 maybe brain spoil liao. I'm still quite happy about life. Most Impt thing is I'm alive. Alive then got hope right? Haha 老天 like always tekan me lei. Don't know when will have a baby of my own. Sigh

Hi @muff
Don't give up. I'm sure you will have a baby of your own soon. 老天爷 will save the best for you & your baby will be the best of the best!
Hope your hcg will drop tmr! Jia you!
 
It has been a roller coaster ride.. First dating scan at week 5, I had 2 sac, 1 with yolk sac, one without.. So was given appt in 2 weeks to scan again.. Few days after the first scan, I suddenly had cramps, woke up went toilet and found blood! So immediately go to hosp.. Bleeding didn't stop for the entire morning.. End up scan shows left 1 sac.. So officially lost one.

Scan again at almost week 7, saw 1 gestational sac but no yolk sac and no heartbeat.. Doesn't look optimistic now.. Back to monitoring HCG levels...

If HCG not rising then might need to terminate it. Doc gave options, 1) natural, 2) V inserts to induce menses, 3) D&C

I'm hoping for a miracle but at the same time preparing for the worst. Anyone has any advise of the pros and cons of D&C vs take meds to induce menses?
 
It has been a roller coaster ride.. First dating scan at week 5, I had 2 sac, 1 with yolk sac, one without.. So was given appt in 2 weeks to scan again.. Few days after the first scan, I suddenly had cramps, woke up went toilet and found blood! So immediately go to hosp.. Bleeding didn't stop for the entire morning.. End up scan shows left 1 sac.. So officially lost one.

Scan again at almost week 7, saw 1 gestational sac but no yolk sac and no heartbeat.. Doesn't look optimistic now.. Back to monitoring HCG levels...

If HCG not rising then might need to terminate it. Doc gave options, 1) natural, 2) V inserts to induce menses, 3) D&C

I'm hoping for a miracle but at the same time preparing for the worst. Anyone has any advise of the pros and cons of D&C vs take meds to induce menses?

Hi @Dreamscometrue Sorry to hear about your experience. I can't give much comments on the V-inserts as well as D&C, but i opted to miscarry the natural way in Dec 2014, Same scenerio as yours, saw yolk sac but no fetus pole and heartbeat. Based on what doc had explained to me and from Dr Google, one will go through bloody discharge somewhat like a heavier menses when the body purge out the unhealthy embryo in a natural miscarriage. I thought it was better than using the V-inserts or D&C (which is quite detrimental to our uterus). About a week after, indeed i had a bloody discharge. I thought it's gonna be like menses but who knows, the blood doesn't stop flowing and had to go to O&G immediately. I even stain the whole house as if it was a murder scene and as i walked downstairs to join my hb in the car, i could see the whole trail of blood (even with pads) along the corridor. I was still conscious when i reached O&G. Within the next 30mins, i was losing consciousness due to the massive loss of blood. It was so bad that i could not even wait for my gynae to rush back and he had to arrange for the senior gynae-on-duty to perform an emergency evacuation for me. To keep me "awake", the nurses kept asking me questions.

To cut things short, I am sharing this not because i want to scare you. In fact, according to my gynae, he rarely comes across such massive blood loss in a natural miscarriage. But i thought it is good that you know how serious a natural miscarriage could present itself so that you can make a more sound decision. I seriously do not hope that you will be like me, but do ask your Dr what are the impacts the V-inserts and D&C could possibly have on your body before you decide. Jia You.
 
It has been a roller coaster ride.. First dating scan at week 5, I had 2 sac, 1 with yolk sac, one without.. So was given appt in 2 weeks to scan again.. Few days after the first scan, I suddenly had cramps, woke up went toilet and found blood! So immediately go to hosp.. Bleeding didn't stop for the entire morning.. End up scan shows left 1 sac.. So officially lost one.

Scan again at almost week 7, saw 1 gestational sac but no yolk sac and no heartbeat.. Doesn't look optimistic now.. Back to monitoring HCG levels...

If HCG not rising then might need to terminate it. Doc gave options, 1) natural, 2) V inserts to induce menses, 3) D&C

I'm hoping for a miracle but at the same time preparing for the worst. Anyone has any advise of the pros and cons of D&C vs take meds to induce menses?

I am so sorry to hear this from you... Usually, a natural miscarriage will happen and you will most likely bleed out the tissues... For me during my ectopic surgery, doc only did op to remove my tube but never did the D&C as he hope i miscarry naturally which i did after 5 days past my op. If I dont then D/C is necessary liao. The MC was quite ok, heavier than normal menses with clots due to passing out of sac. Embryo already removed for me in tube so not that heavy.

If you compare the 2 options you've stated above, I see it this way:

1. Pro- Inserts less invasive, more natural Cons - Risk of not totally cleaning out the uterus
2. Pro - D/C clean MC, Cons - Invasive, lots of building up back to your body needs to be done. Depending on the Doctor's skill, he needs to D/C just nice and not over as Uterus lining is very sensitive.

Otherwise, if you can wait out, I suggest to wait the natural way depending on your HCG levels first and discuss with Doc the options moving forward. I wish you all the best girl.
 
Wow that's a lot of nutritious foods to eat. May I know if the confinement food you ate contains ginger?

Yup, the confinement food contain ginger. Actually not everything in confinement food is good for TTC so I avoid eating the papaya leaves and young papaya that the lady served. Her confinement food always has fish though and everything is cooked healthily so I think that could have helped me.
 
Hi @Dreamscometrue Sorry to hear about your experience. I can't give much comments on the V-inserts as well as D&C, but i opted to miscarry the natural way in Dec 2014, Same scenerio as yours, saw yolk sac but no fetus pole and heartbeat. Based on what doc had explained to me and from Dr Google, one will go through bloody discharge somewhat like a heavier menses when the body purge out the unhealthy embryo in a natural miscarriage. I thought it was better than using the V-inserts or D&C (which is quite detrimental to our uterus). About a week after, indeed i had a bloody discharge. I thought it's gonna be like menses but who knows, the blood doesn't stop flowing and had to go to O&G immediately. I even stain the whole house as if it was a murder scene and as i walked downstairs to join my hb in the car, i could see the whole trail of blood (even with pads) along the corridor. I was still conscious when i reached O&G. Within the next 30mins, i was losing consciousness due to the massive loss of blood. It was so bad that i could not even wait for my gynae to rush back and he had to arrange for the senior gynae-on-duty to perform an emergency evacuation for me. To keep me "awake", the nurses kept asking me questions.

To cut things short, I am sharing this not because i want to scare you. In fact, according to my gynae, he rarely comes across such massive blood loss in a natural miscarriage. But i thought it is good that you know how serious a natural miscarriage could present itself so that you can make a more sound decision. I seriously do not hope that you will be like me, but do ask your Dr what are the impacts the V-inserts and D&C could possibly have on your body before you decide. Jia You.
When did u start to bleed? Right after u stop the supports? Which week were you at when the scan shows no fetal pole/ heart beat?
 

I did the weekly scans in Week 6 and 8. Made the decision to stop all supports at week 8. The bloody episode was around Week 9+
Did u take any HL that time?
I read online some ladies with retroverted uterus may have difficulty locating the fetus and Hb, and can't located until week 9/10.. I hope I'm one of them..
 

Back
Top