IVF/ICSI - cycle buddies

Deerdeer,
i think you have to call KKIVF regarding the greenish discharge if it persists. For me, I will call immediately as I do not want to risk any infection.... Don't think greenish is good. For me, I had brown discharge as I had a painful ER and Dr Loh told me the brown discharge is due to the penetration of the follicles and they were healing, that's why. I have never heard of greenish discharge.

As for trasnferring how many embryos, I put in 3 and ended up with one. Luckily my DH insisted. I am thankful for his decision but really, like what Stacy said, it is the implantation, not the number of eggs that you put in. Rest is the most important factor now.

Stacy,
you can email me in regard to the test. I will be more than happy to have someone to share their experience with me. Do you have my email address?

Maplebabies, I'll try to answer your questions to the best I can.

Q1: Your test results are recent enough. The other tests that you have to go through will be the blood tests for HIV, Hep B and Rubella immunisation. They have to make sure you are not infected with any of the above before they proceed. Then you will go through counselling session by social worker as well as the doc.

Q2: Usually the wait is 3 months as KKIVF is very popular due to the cost.

Q3:If AF(menses) is not regular, then you will have the long protocol. When your AF is here, you will have to take a type of contrapceptive pill for about 3 weeks to regulate your AF first. Then Lucrin injections for another about 3 weeks (depend on a blood test result that shows whether your body is sufficiently suppressed) to suppress your body from releasing hormones on its own. Then if the blood test result is ok, you will start puregon injections with the Lucrin but Lucrin will stop earlier than the puregon and puregon is for stimulating follicles growth. At this point, it is when you need to pay like almost a thousand dollars, depending on the dosage you are on. You also need to go through blood test (after about 1 week or so of puregon injections) to check the growth of your follicles and for them to decide whether you need more injections or you can go ahead with ET and ER. Then of course, before you go for your ER (egg retrieval), you will have to go to the 24hr clinic to get an injection to mature the eggs before they retrieve them for you. Some people like me, have a bad ER but some do not feel anything at all, so it all depens on individual, ok? Of course, after that, follow by the ET (embryo transfer), it is painless and fast. You will have to decide again how many embryos you want to put in, Max 3. At this point, you can check with doc the thickness of your lining and the grade of your embryos as my sinseh told me that if the lining is at least 9mm and the grade of the embryos is at least 4, then the chances are high. Mine was lining 9mm and the embryos are all grade 4. Then it will be your 2ww (2 weeks wait). You may experience anxiety and some side effects like bloatedness. Don't do any pregnancy tests till the one you will do with KKIVF as I did one around 12th day with the 24 hr clinic as orderd by the doc there, it was negative and I was devastated but as you know, the result is not accurate as I am 11 weeks pregnant now. Fazilah too, did a urine test the day before and got a negative result, but in the end, she is actually pregnant. Thatis because her beta reading is low at that time. So, don't frighten yourself unnecessarily.

Q4: It is both true and not true. After ET, you have your 2ww. People believe that ample bed rest will help in the implantation process which I happen to agree too. So, in order to play safe, some take mc all the way for the 2ww but for KKIVF, they only give 5 days mc starting from ET as ET and ER are only 2 days apart. So it is up to individual.

Hope the aboove helps.
 


hi deerdeer,

I dun have any symptoms leh.. except i feel tired easily (feel like sleeping all the time) and also got craving for certain food.

How abt u?
 
deerdeer..

sorry..forgot to answer u .. my blood test is on 21/02/07, by right should be earlier one, but it coincide with the CNY period..:/
 
Hopes... dont have wor. I also dont have symptoms wor.
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my test is 23rd.
 
Hi ladies,

GONG XI FA CAI in advance!
I was recommended to this thread by Hui.

I have just failed my 1st IVF-ICSI last month.
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Went thru all the disappoinments and tears, and now I am resting this month, and preparing to have the next ETransfer next month. I am with SF Loh, KKH.

At the meantime, I'm hesitating if I shld wait for another month as my body seems a bit mess up from all the injections from the last IVF. I've menstrated but not ovulating this month. So I was wondering is it alright to go ahead with the ET next month.

Has anyone of you done any ET right after a failed IVF? Any advice?

Thanks.
 
Hi Jeni, many many thanks!! For your very informative sharing. And congrats for your bundle of joy! Now i feel more hopeful and know better what to prepare and ask Dr Loh when i see him. Can i also ask you 2 more qns?

For Q3, if my menses is regular, means i can take a shorter protocol, assume remove the contraceptives part?

As for uterus lining, if i dont have a sinseh, actually Dr Loh can give me something to take right? ... during the purgeon jabs period so that i am preparing both eggs and lining at the same time.
 
Hi Hopes and DeerDeer

All the best! Understand that you gals are in 2ww now. Really, all the best!! May you be MTBs this month! I hope to join you gals soon. Will be seeing Dr Loh and planning towards IVF, likely in May or Jun.
 
Jeni,

Yr explanation is really useful for me also, thks! Reg Maple Babies Q, I am also to know if we have regular menses, which stage may not need to be done.

I have another question that need yr advise; during the puregon injection state, does the doctor check your follicle growth or is it moniter by nurses?...I'm a bit concerned whether KKH moniter very carefully so as to prevent Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome. Thks.
 
Hi Maple Babies and Dream,
if your Af is regular, then you will not have to take the contraceptive pills.
Nothing will be given to improve the thickness of the lining.... it depends on individual... maybe you can seek some advices from the ladies here who are into acupunture. You will only be given antibiotics to take to fight against any infections before the ER. Your DH too will have to take the antibiotics in order to clear any infections and so on before he has to provide the semen on your ER day.

As for the monitoring, it is done by a sonographer... hope i get the name right... She is quite experienced I supposed as all the KKIVF patients are monitored by her and there will be a doc on duty there to explain to you the result and the next step that you will be taking. Basically, you will only get to see Dr Loh at ET and ER. It is hard to prevent OHS except by drinking lots of water... as different body reacts differently...Just drink lots of water!!!

Hope the above helps.
 
Rebekah

I had a cancelled cycle last month due to poor response to stim jab. My doc told me that I can start on another cycle next month. Like your case, I had my menses but is no "O" this month. But my TCM doc advise me to wait for another month instead.
 
Atlas,
sorry to barge in. O means ovulating right? How do you know you are not ovulating? I already had my menses after the cancelled cycle and i've done a blood test which shows my hormones are okay. But i dont know if i ovulate or not. Can you explain or you re talking about something else.

Rebekah,
its good to give your body some time to rest after the failed cycle. Your body need rest from all the meds and drugs and its up to you when you want to start again. I think its KKH procedure to wait for 2 months before a patient can try ivf again. Thats what Dr Shiela Loh told me. Good luck!

Thanks.
 
Rosebud

Yes, O means ovulation. I was taking my BBT for the past few days and do not see any surge in temperature, which is not my normal. I told my TCM doc and according to her it is normal to have no O for 2 months or so and that's it why she recommended that I wait for another month to start a new cycle. In another words, our system will get mess-up after those jabs with a failed cycle.

Did your doctor ask you to go for the blood test after the cancelled cycle? What is your reason for doing that?
 
Deer,
that's why you have greenish discharge as you have an infection. Quickly call KKIVf and check with the nurse what you can do or if you can't get them, then go to the 24hr's clinic.
 
deerdeer..

I'm on Progesterone jabs (daily) but didn't really have ur kind of uncomfort.. but i do have a little white discharge and slight itch lately.. ladies.. is it common..?
 
I had my HSG done and I experienced mild discomfit like menstrual cramps but no severe pain. The doctor in KK radiology department was not a lady as I expected. He was okay but didn't explain much during and after the procedure. His answer was no when I asked if mine had any problem. I will need to see Dr. Loh for further confirmation. Got a question for girls had this procedure done, should I wait til next cycle to try to conceive? Would the x-ray and dye harm the egg?
 
hi Kristy..

From what I understand, the HSG dye should be harmless to the eggs.. therefore, you shouldn't need to wait till next cycle to try to concieve.

For my case.. I experienced very very bad pain after my HSG and even have difficulty walking for like a few days... very horrible experience for me..! :p
 
Atlas,
my dr didnt ask me to go for blood test but i just want to do it to see how my hormones are doing. I noticed my fsh level fluctuates for the past few months but this month when i did the blood test it dropped which was good. So i hope if it continue to drop then i will respond better to the drugs when i cycle in March.

Rose
 
By the way, why you want to check your ovulation? Does it play important role in the ivf process? I mean with all the drugs and jabs do we need to ovulate each month prior to the treatment?
 
Hi buddies,

Happy New Year to all. So long I don't log in, cos still busy at work.

Hi, Rose and Atlas,

Take care for yourself while you are waiting for the treatment. I mean we really must have a good health before we go into the programme.

Hi, Yvonne,

How are you now? How is your 1st scan? I will be starting the puregon tomorrow. If your scan are alright, should have been started puregon already, then you will be faster than me to proceed with the cycle. Are you going for ACU?
 
Rose,
don't worry yourself unnecessarily. I did not even check if I was ovulating at all before my IVF/ICSI. I just embarked on it like a wu tou chang ying... hahaha
Just follow the instruction given by KKIVF and stay focused and you should be fine. Always feel free to ask them any questions if there is a need.
 
Rose

I was checking on my "O" because I was thinking of ttc-ing naturally this 2 months. So when I reported to my TCM doc that I did not "O", she said that it is common for people like us.

Does our FSH level affect our response to stim jabs?
 
Hi Koala,
Happy new year to you! I've read somewhere this new year is a good year for making babies? and also will bring us lots of babies? hope its true for all of us here! welcome back to this site, havent heard from you for a long time. Wow you start puregon tomorrow? good luck with it, hope you will get lots of eggs!

Jeni,
thanks for your advise, i guess its true i worry too much which of course no good
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Atlas,
i guess so, fsh level can affect our response to jabs. As far as i know if the fsh level is high, for example, more than 10 then we may not respond well to the jab. It also indicates our ovarian reserves are diminishing. My level was 13 during my cycle and its true i didnt respond well. What is your fsh level like?
 
Hi Atlas

Yes, the FSH level do affect our response to the stim drugs. The most ideal FSH level is 6-8 and also promise a high successful rate.

If your FSH level high, then you will have to take higher dosage of stim drugs. I guess this apply to every hospital, not only KK.

That why I was quite nervous, cos my FSH level is 9, then I need to take 400 puregon. So I really don't know wat will happen next. Just stay cool and calm.
 
hi deerdeer..

I just came back from the blood test...
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Very stress.. results should be out by afternoon..
 
deerdeer..

dun have leh.. breast a bit sore thou..

yes..i'm with KKH..

must take temp..? for what huh..?
 
deerdeer..

thanks..!
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i kind of expected it..

next round, decided to implant 3 already..
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i'm 31 ..you?
 
Sorry deerdeer,

what reading huh..? i didn't get to see doc today leh.. scheduled somewhere mid March..

Nurse says AF will come in 2-3days time.
 
they never tell me leh..they just tell me it's negative.. maybe i'll call them again later.

i'm okay.. a bit upset that's all..

Dun worry deerdeer.. I hope to hear good news from you ya!! jia you!!
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Hopes, I haven't been to the thread these few weeks after my IVF, too swarmed by work. just popped in today and saw your test result. understand how you feel, hope that you are feeling better now. Must remember that we have tried our best! Take a good rest and try again!

Koala, Ashly, deerdeer and those in the midst of process, jia you!!!! All the jabs/pains/worries will be worth it!

Jeni, are you still resting at home? Do take care... Stacy, how are the babies doing?
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so sorry, i have been busy and have not been popping in regularly!
 
Hopes,

sori to hear the result..at least u did try..now pls rest well and tiao your body. mayb you can go acu. is reali good..

DeerDeer,
is ur blood test today or tomolo huh?
 
hi sisters..

thank you so much for your encouragement..!
i'm feeling ok. just disappointed..

hui.. where to go for acu..? must acu how long then can see the results..? i tot of trying the FET asap.. u think can make it in time..?

deerdeer..
stay positive.. dun be affected by my results..! just hope for the best and be prepared for the worse.. hope things goes well for you!
 
ladies..

check with u all.. is it common to fail at the 1st attempt?

anyone shared the same fate with me before..?
 
Hopes,
i did my acu also last min..u wan the add?FET think also muz quee leh.. u can ask the nurse got slot anot.

DeerDeer,
must stay +ive..no sign doesn't mean no good result..u dare to try test kit? i use test kit 2days before my test n one day before my test.. i test twice then my blood test.
 

Hi hopes,

Stay strong, remember the successful rate is only 30% for IVF, dun stress yourself. As for the FET, I suggest you tiao your body first before going into it. Dun rush and after taking all the stimulation drugs, our body will need sometimes for "adjustment".

I have been doing for ACU for 3 months before I start the programme. But I dare not said that it is good even though there are some surveys did prove that the ACU have increased the chance of implantation for embroys, but nobody really can guarantee the results as our body differs and ACU may not works well for everybody.

My acu doctor was recommended by Dr Xia Rong, Paragon Eu Yan Sang,let me know if you need the details.
 

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