IVF/Egg donor overseas

only_you

Active Member
Hello, I recall there were some ladies here who did ivf overseas? Can you share with me your clinic and experience? Like how often do you have to fly there, how much was the entire procedure? Does your clinic offer egg donor?

Failed my last cycle and wont be trying anymore as I am hitting 40 but would like to explore donor eggs as last try to give my gal a sibling. :(
 


fp0706

New Member
Hi only-you, i will be starting my ivf with dr wiwat in Bangkok next mth ie January2016. Dr wiwat said Thai government has banned egg doners since mid of this year, but heard that u can get egg doners in Malaysia.
 

only_you

Active Member
Thank you! Sigh, looks like I am abit late! I am researching TMC Johor Bahru too. Hopefully more forumers can share more.
 

Celestialbaby

Active Member
Hi I'm doing my IVF at Alpha Fertility Centre with Dr Colin in KL using my own eggs. I know Alpha has an Egg Donor program but I personally has not enquired about it. I failed my 1st cycle last Oct and so M in the midst of my stimulation jabs for my 2nd round. You can either choose to get support from a fertlity doc in singapore by getting your scans done in SIN and only fly in for ER or ET. I chose to do everything in KL. A typical cycle should be like this :
1. Fly in for 1st consult. If decided to do IVF, buy meds on the spot. Take 1st blood test. You'd be given instructions when to start your injections n how to inject. (- Day trip)
2. Menses come, call clinic on 1st day to arrange for scan. D2 of menses, start injections.
3. 1st scan usually CD8 or 9. Day trip for scan
4. If follicles growing well, go back on CD13 for ER. for ER, I fly in the day b4 as ER is early in the morning.
5. My clinic encourage FET. They'd prescribe meds to prepare for FET and u just need to follow. FET you need to fly in the day b4 and they encourage to stay 3 to 4 days at least as that is the crucial time for implantation.

I heard that for donor program you'd need to go through an agent. Some unis practice sharing of donor, ie. You share with another donor the eggs from the same stimming round. So be sure to ask about this.
 

sherleyuki

New Member
Hi only_you, i think the nearest to SG is Malaysia for egg donor program. Other countries will include India and USA. Actually India has a very successful, donor and surrogate program and high technology too, you can read up on them. India will be my last option. USA is too expensive.
 

lilpretty

New Member
There is this clinic called superior art in BKK. It was recomended by some doc over wiwats clinic.. but individual judgement. Overall BKk has banned donor eggs but im not sure if the policy allows u to bring ur own egg donor n they just carry out the procedure for u. U may wana enquire w them. They respond q fast.
 

srjk

Member
There is this clinic called superior art in BKK. It was recomended by some doc over wiwats clinic.. but individual judgement. Overall BKk has banned donor eggs but im not sure if the policy allows u to bring ur own egg donor n they just carry out the procedure for u. U may wana enquire w them. They respond q fast.
Hi lilpretty,

Have u Been to superior art ? How's the environment/ doctor etc .. Asking on behalf of a friend who is contemplating going there thanks
 

bbpooh81

Member
Hi, I am now on my 3rd cycle and I think i am gg to fail it again. Tried twice in sgh and once in kkh.. same result.. my embryo having difficulty in multiplying. The best I had was 6 cells at day 3 but that's highly fragmentated. My current cycle is 2 cells at day 2. I think it's an egg issue and a difficult one to resolve since I have tried tcm, accuputure, taking chicken essence frequently, immunocal for a mth, several supplements for 10mths.. result still the same..

Age is catching up and I am finding ways to move on.. I am not sure if anyone is in a similar situation like me and yield success..

On my 2nd cycle, sgh advised me to stop trying and get donor eggs... therefore, I shifted to kkh for my last attempt.

If there is anyone who had tried donor egg in msia or elsewhere, able to share your experiences with me?
 

srjk

Member
Hi, I am now on my 3rd cycle and I think i am gg to fail it again. Tried twice in sgh and once in kkh.. same result.. my embryo having difficulty in multiplying. The best I had was 6 cells at day 3 but that's highly fragmentated. My current cycle is 2 cells at day 2. I think it's an egg issue and a difficult one to resolve since I have tried tcm, accuputure, taking chicken essence frequently, immunocal for a mth, several supplements for 10mths.. result still the same..

Age is catching up and I am finding ways to move on.. I am not sure if anyone is in a similar situation like me and yield success..

On my 2nd cycle, sgh advised me to stop trying and get donor eggs... therefore, I shifted to kkh for my last attempt.

If there is anyone who had tried donor egg in msia or elsewhere, able to share your experiences with me?
Hmm.. All the best to you, think positively and lotsa baby dust to you. But why would you want to do it in Malaysia ? Think sg allow relatives to donate egg le.. I wouldn't do it in Malaysia personally, even though I'm Malaysian and living in jb, I still went to sg for my ivf and to see gynae ..
 

bbpooh81

Member
Hi srjk,

I find it abit werid to get relatives to do so.. if they are willing to do so which is to inject themselves and go thru the procedure, most likely is for money.. and if one day the relationship with that relative has gone sour, will that relative tell the kid or claim the kid as hers? Not sure if i'm thinking too much..

The reason why I ask for malaysia is becos its the nearest place from sg for donor egg. I heard thailand has banned donor eggs, if not, I would have considered it too...any other advice is appreciated.

Baby dust to you in your upcoming cycle!
 

lilpretty

New Member
Hi lilpretty,

Have u Been to superior art ? How's the environment/ doctor etc .. Asking on behalf of a friend who is contemplating going there thanks
The service is good but the doc i was recommended to has left for another clinic. The fees r not cheap but service n quality r good
 

Ada66

New Member
Anyone can share egg donor program in Malaysia? It's cost and procedure etc? Any good docs in JB?
Hi, I am now on my 3rd cycle and I think i am gg to fail it again. Tried twice in sgh and once in kkh.. same result.. my embryo having difficulty in multiplying. The best I had was 6 cells at day 3 but that's highly fragmentated. My current cycle is 2 cells at day 2. I think it's an egg issue and a difficult one to resolve since I have tried tcm, accuputure, taking chicken essence frequently, immunocal for a mth, several supplements for 10mths.. result still the same..

Age is catching up and I am finding ways to move on.. I am not sure if anyone is in a similar situation like me and yield success..

On my 2nd cycle, sgh advised me to stop trying and get donor eggs... therefore, I shifted to kkh for my last attempt.

If there is anyone who had tried donor egg in msia or elsewhere, able to share your experiences with me?
Hello, I recall there were some ladies here who did ivf overseas? Can you share with me your clinic and experience? Like how often do you have to fly there, how much was the entire procedure? Does your clinic offer egg donor?

Failed my last cycle and wont be trying anymore as I am hitting 40 but would like to explore donor eggs as last try to give my gal a sibling. :(
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Try asking IVF Bridge Fertility Centre, Johor Bahru, Malaysia, Tel: 07-3362788
 

only_you

Active Member
Ladies, u can go msia ivf centres to find egg donors. They are quite efficient. Process is just like spore's just that stimmulation is on donor but ET is to your womb and 2ww and pregnancy all on yourselves.
 

Liwen Ng

New Member
Hi everyone, actually I have found out a new forum for KL Fertility Centre whereby the representatives of KL Fertility Centre will answered all the questions of infertility posted by forum guests. This forum is very active and high responsive. You may also refer to them whenever you need the consultation from their Obstetrician & Gynecologist.
Provided here is the link of forum: http://getdocsays.com/forums/topic/infertility/

I'm pretty sure it helps ^^
 

bottlehead

New Member
Hello Denice or anyone using donor egg from overseas, please do share your clinic information as I am also in the midst of searching for one.

Dr requested me to go for CMV test and I was tested negative. The nurse explained that I can only receive a CMV negative donar. I have a hard time looking for one because most of the donar are positive.

Thanks.
 

Oldpeanuts

New Member
Hello Denice or anyone using donor egg from overseas, please do share your clinic information as I am also in the midst of searching for one.

Dr requested me to go for CMV test and I was tested negative. The nurse explained that I can only receive a CMV negative donar. I have a hard time looking for one because most of the donar are positive.

Thanks.
Hi Bottlehead.

Am not sure what you mean by CMV negative thou.
But below are the clinics in MY that provides egg donor services depending on which is most comfortable for you. (Thailand seems to be very much restricted now)
They will also match your requirements, the usual will be blood type, race, overall looks with you and DH, height etc.
You can check if they are able to source for CMV negative donor.

You will find their contact and address online.

1) IVF Bridge in JB
2) TMC in JB
3) Sunfert in KL
4) TMC in KL
5) Alpha fertility
 

Hope_bliss

New Member
Anyone experience thin lining issues and have their cycles postpone/cancel?
I am.having this issue and did whatever protocols to help but unsuceesful and had to keep cancelling my cycles
 

sherleyuki

New Member
Hi Everyone, I am starting my donor process in TMC PJ/KL. If anyone needs more information, let me know.
HI Denice, i am also getting quotes from TMC KL and thinking of getting the donor eggs to freeze first can you tell me how is their service and which dr did you choose? Thanks.
 

chun.yi

New Member
Hi there only_you. Last year I went to Dr. Ann Tan in Mount Elizabeth for health screen. As far as I know she offers such option. Here give it a try http://www.anntan.com.sg/ I love reading her pages about healthy pregnancy and once read about donor eggs.
 

skippyloo

Member
Hi Everyone, I am starting my donor process in TMC PJ/KL. If anyone needs more information, let me know.
Hello. I would like to know the total cost of having donor eggs as well as the egg transfer to my womb. Also would like to know if the selection process for the donor...thank you very much
 

sjsivfcare

New Member
If you want reasonable cost of entire treatments, i think india would be great and there is many hospitals which also provide egg donors
 

Soka Lion

New Member
Anyone can share egg donor program in Malaysia? It's cost and procedure etc? Any good docs in JB?
Hi there, I glad to have found this forum. We are also looking to get an egg donor from Malaysia. I read that the Malaysian Govt was proposing a law to regulate fertility treatments way back in 2015 although it seems that nothing has happened yet.

Does anyone know anything about this?
 

Felicia0116

New Member
Hi all, let me know anyone of you are looking for egg donor. age 27.
Working here for nearly 5 yrs. experienced as an egg donor last year under kkh. so i'm aware and familiar with the process of being as an egg donor.

can contact me via
[email protected] for further discussion.
 
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cartier

New Member
Hello everyone ,

I am looking for my bundle of miracle.
I am 33 years old with onset early menopause the only way for me to conceive is through egg donor.

Will someone be kind enough to have frozen eggs left to donate to me ?
I am willing to pay a token of appreciation.
Life is so tough without a child. I tried 3 years. My period is no longer active. I have no more period .

I avoid all family occasions worrying someone would ask me the big question.

Please could someone help me ?

Rachel

Hi Rachel,

It is not easy to find someone you know to donate egg, not to mention looking for one in the forum whom you don’t know, especially since no monetary compensation is allowed for egg donor in Singapore. Most who had their eggs retrieved typically done so as part of IVF program and would have attempted to fertilize the egg, thus chance of someone with left over frozen egg is very slim. Are you open to explore getting egg donor from oversea?
 
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gnovik56

New Member
Hello, and someone thought about turning to donors of eggs from Russia or Ukraine? After all, in this case, any appearance of the donor, including Asian, and relatively low prices is possible. If you are interested, you can write to e-mail [email protected]
 
Dear Ladies,

I would like to seek your advice on which option I should take for egg donation.

These are my 4 options:

1) My doctor actually recommended me to look for my relatives as potential donors. I have a younger female cousin whom I am very close to, and I can certainly ask her. However, I am reluctant to do so, because I am afraid that the future child may learn about the secret of his or her conception. You know that sometimes it is difficult to keep secrets among relatives. Family secrets easily spill out after some time.

2) The doctor also told me that the government has recently allowed import of frozen donor eggs from a European egg bank. But upon searching their catalog, there were no Asian donors, only Caucasian ones. I am not comfortable with a Caucasian egg donor, as a Eurasian child will stick out like a sore thumb for a Chinese couple.

3) The nurse at the clinic discreetly hinted that I can secretly use a foreign egg donor agency, to arrange for an egg donor to travel to Singapore. But payment has to be kept absolutely secret because this is actually illegal in Singapore. However, the nurse hinted that the doctor and clinic will 'close one eye' and pretend not to know anything, even if they suspect that I am illegally using a paid egg donor from a foreign agency.

4) Then, there is also the option of going to Malaysia or Thailand for egg donation.

Wondering which route would you recommend? I am still thinking hard and considering all options.
 
Dear ladies, do give some feedback on egg donation in Malaysia:

Egg donation in Malaysia costs just S$16,300 (RM50,000) all inclusive with IVF procedure !!!

S’poreans head to Malaysia, elsewhere to find egg donors


Singaporeans have travelled as far as the United States and Australia to find an egg donor to help them have a baby, but many have also gone to Malaysia, checks by The Straits Times showed. Ms Christine Gautaman, who runs Heart to ART, a firm in Selangor that matches couples to egg donors, told ST about 20 per cent of her clients are Singaporeans who require an egg donor, a surrogate mother, or both. For example, she has had Singaporean couples where the wives were in their 20s but suffered from premature ovarian failure. In such a case, the ovaries stop functioning normally before the age of 40, and the woman would require donor eggs to conceive. Her other Singaporean clients are often older, some in their 40s. She said Singaporeans prefer to use an anonymous egg donor as they have no ties to the donor and can raise the child as their own.
The cost of in-vitro fertilisation (IVF) using an egg donor is about RM50,000 (S$16,300). She said this covers the fees paid to the egg donor, the treatment to retrieve the donor’s eggs and the IVF procedure for the mother-to-be, which is performed in Malaysia.
Ms Gautaman did not say how much the donors are paid. She added that the egg donors at her agency are generally between the ages of 21 and 32, and many are degree holders. Some are even doctors, lawyers and accountants, she said. “These ladies are very well aware of the gift of life they are giving to their recipients and although they do receive some remuneration for their time and effort, they generally are doing this to help others,” said Ms Gautaman.
From January next year, women aged 45 and older will be allowed to undergo IVF here. Doctors cheered the move but they pointed out that many of these older women would need donor eggs to conceive even if they are allowed to undergo IVF here.
Dr Sadhana Nadarajah, senior consultant of the reproductive medicine department at the KK Women’s
and Children’s Hospital, explained that women in their late 40s and 50s will have to use donor eggs to
get pregnant. For women in that age group, if they are not menopausal, most of their eggs may be genetically abnormal by then, and it will be challenging to conceive using their own eggs, she said.
However, there are some women in their 20s who suffer from premature menopause and will also need
donor eggs to conceive. Doctors say egg donors in Singapore are uncommon due to the tedious procedures involved, the fact that they cannot be paid and that people are just uncomfortable with the idea as the child would be biologically related
to them.
None of the five women The Straits Times approached who used egg donors was willing to be interviewed.
 
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Interesting article from Today Online: https://www.todayonline.com/commentary/overseas-egg-donors-what-singaporean-women-should-be-wary

Overseas egg donors — what Singaporean women should be wary of

Recent news media reports suggest that most Singaporean women requiring egg donation travel abroad for the procedure.

Strict regulations against payment of egg donors have resulted in a persistent shortage of donated eggs in Singapore. At the same time, women in Singapore do not have the option of freezing their own eggs when they are younger, due to the current ban on social egg freezing. This would leave many of them with no choice but to resort to overseas egg donation to conceive a child.

Foreign egg donors often receive generous payment abroad. Hence, there is a large pool of anonymous egg donors of suitable ethnicity to choose from abroad. Moreover, the medical fees of foreign fertility clinics may be much cheaper compared to Singapore.

In fact, some local fertility clinics have collaborative ties with foreign clinics that perform egg donation. Hence, they would be able to advise patients on egg donation overseas, as well as coordinate with foreign clinics in the timing of hormonal injections to prepare the patient’s womb to be receptive for the egg-donation procedure abroad.

However, due to the less stringent regulation of fertility treatment in other countries, Singaporean patients may face a variety of marketing gimmicks and misleading information on the egg-donation procedure. Hence, it is imperative to highlight what Singaporean patients should be wary of, when travelling abroad for egg donation.

Although some claims put forward by foreign fertility clinics appear to have a sound scientific basis, it is important for patients to understand the limitations of such claims. For example, consider the claim that the egg-donation procedure has a much higher success rate compared to standard in-vitro fertilisation (IVF) treatment.

This is generally true to a large extent, simply because the selected egg donors are young and healthy. However, if the recipient patient had previous health problems with her womb that lead to recurrent miscarriages (e.g. endometriosis, uterine fibroids), then her chances of conceiving through egg donation might be much lower than advertised by the fertility clinic.

Other claims may have less scientific basis. For example, many foreign fertility clinics strongly encourage their patients undergoing egg donation to utilise preimplantation genetic screening (PGS) to detect genetic defects in the conceived embryos, due to the unknown genetic heritage of the anonymous foreign egg donor.

Yet they often neglect to tell patients that similar genetic screening of the donor’s blood sample is much cheaper than PGS.
Patients must also be aware that PGS is not a fool-proof method to detect genetic abnormalities in embryos, despite its high costs.

There is a only a limited panel of common genetic diseases that PGS will detect, so it is impossible to screen and verify the entire genome of each individual embryo to be free of genetic defects.

One notable example that cannot be detected by PGS is Autism Spectrum Disorders that are caused by multiple genes interacting with multiple factors within the birth environment.

Additionally, if the egg donor is very young, it is unnecessary to utilise PGS to screen for Down syndrome that usually arises from genetic abnormalities in the eggs of older women.

Although many fertility clinics claim that PGS can improve the IVF success rates of older women, this only refers to older women using their own eggs, which have a high incidence of genetic abnormalities. PGS will not improve the success rates of older women using a young egg donor.

It must also be noted that PGS is not completely risk-free. There is a small chance of damaging the embryo as this delicate procedure involves drilling a hole through its protective shell (zona), to extract cells for genetic testing.


An important fact that is often downplayed by foreign fertility clinics is that the recipient patient’s age does really matter in egg donation. Recent much-hyped news reports about elderly women successfully giving birth in their 60s and 70s have led to many misconceptions.

It is well-established in the medical literature that the risks of medical complications during pregnancy increase with maternal age.

Another factor to consider is whether the expected remaining lifespans of the recipient couple are sufficient for raising a child to adulthood.

Older patients travelling abroad for egg donation should ask themselves whether as elderly parents, they would be able to cope with the physical rigours of child-rearing.

Yet another critical piece of information that is often downplayed by foreign fertility clinics is the risk of accidental incest between half-siblings conceived by the same egg donor.

Although such risks may be minimised in Singapore through safeguards that limit the number of children conceived per donor to three, it must be noted that there is no limit to the number of Singaporean recipients that a single foreign egg donor can donate to abroad.

The risks of accidental incest may be further compounded by the much reported phenomenon of ‘Genetic Sexual Attraction’, which is sexual attraction between close-relatives that first meet as adults, for example siblings that are separated at birth and adopted by different families.

This is particularly significant for Singaporean patients, given the small size and high population density of their country.

Patients should also take note of a deceptive marketing gimmick that claims a woman receiving egg donation passes some of her genetic material to the conceived child.

This misconception came about because of misleading news reports a few years ago, about the gene expression behaviour of embryos being influenced by the nurturing fluid produced by the womb lining. This is due to the embryo taking up a molecule known as microRNA, which is a chemical relative of DNA.

Being closely-related to DNA, microRNA can very broadly and loosely be considered a form of genetic material. However it is extremely short-lived and fragile, and does not transmit genetic inheritance from parent to child.

Some foreign fertility clinics may offer frozen egg donation as a cheaper alternative to fresh egg donation. The lower expenses are due to simpler logistics, as there is no need to synchronise the hormonal stimulation cycles of the donor and recipient patient, as well as cost savings from negating the travel and hotel stay required for fresh egg donation.

However, the significantly lower success rates of frozen versus fresh egg donation, are often downplayed.

Last, but not least, Singaporean patients should also be aware of the lack of appropriate counselling for egg donation overseas. Rigorous counselling will ensure that both husband and wife are agreeable to egg donation, without any misgivings or emotional blackmail from either spouse, and without undue pressure from parents and in-laws.

Additionally, they would also miss valuable advice on whether or not to tell their child the truth about his/her conception in the future.

Perhaps, to avoid the perils and hassles of overseas egg donation, the Ministry of Health in Singapore should look at various ways to boost the local supply of donated eggs.

One solution may be to permit adequate monetary compensation for egg donation, which is a tedious and painful procedure. Another solution may be to permit social egg freezing with certain conditions, such as age limits of 35, which would negate the need for egg donation.

At the same time, permitting social egg freezing will also likely lead to an accumulated surplus of unused frozen eggs that can potentially be donated to infertile women.
 
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Botbot

New Member
We are also looking for any forum or reviews on Malaysia donor egg facilities. Any one did it with donor eggs overseas? Could you kindly share your experience with us?

We are a Chinese couple and have been TTC for a few years now. We are also open to doing donor eggs in Singapore. But sadly, do not know of anyone willing to donate their eggs.

Thanks :)
 
We are also looking for any forum or reviews on Malaysia donor egg facilities. Any one did it with donor eggs overseas? Could you kindly share your experience with us?

We are a Chinese couple and have been TTC for a few years now. We are also open to doing donor eggs in Singapore. But sadly, do not know of anyone willing to donate their eggs.

Thanks :)
Dear Botbot,

Please kindly click on this website links for more information:

 
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We are also looking for any forum or reviews on Malaysia donor egg facilities. Any one did it with donor eggs overseas? Could you kindly share your experience with us?

We are a Chinese couple and have been TTC for a few years now. We are also open to doing donor eggs in Singapore. But sadly, do not know of anyone willing to donate their eggs.

Thanks :)
Here are three tips for Singaporean patients considering egg donation in Malaysia:

(1) Do not do highly-expensive genetic screening of IVF embryos (PGS / PGT-A).
Instead, insist on doing genetic testing of the egg donor's blood sample, which is much cheaper than PGS. Moreover, you can also use NIPT (Non-Invasive Prenatal Testing) to screen for genetic defects in your unborn child after conception, which is also much cheaper than PGS.

(2) Use egg donors that reside locally within the same city as the IVF clinic. Avoid using traveling egg donors from out-of-town or out-of-state, who reside far away from the IVF clinic. It is much more difficult to control and monitor the ovarian stimulation cycle of traveling egg donors from out-of-town. If possible, insist that the egg donor regularly receives hormone injections (recorded) by a nurse at the IVF clinic itself.

(3) When doing IVF with frozen (vitrified) donor eggs, use the same fertility clinic or IVF lab that recruited the egg donor and freeze her eggs. Avoid using frozen donor eggs that are transferred from an egg bank. If possible, use the IVF lab that is affiliated with that egg bank. For best results, the thawing protocol must be matching and compatible with the freezing (vitrification) protocol, and only the same IVF lab that performs both the freezing and thawing processes, can ensure this. Also beware that IVF success rates with frozen donor eggs are significantly lower than with fresh donor eggs.
 
We are also looking for any forum or reviews on Malaysia donor egg facilities. Any one did it with donor eggs overseas? Could you kindly share your experience with us?

We are a Chinese couple and have been TTC for a few years now. We are also open to doing donor eggs in Singapore. But sadly, do not know of anyone willing to donate their eggs.

Thanks :)
Here is a review of egg donor agencies and egg donation programs in Malaysia:
 

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