Dr Tan Kian Sing from TCM

PhyLee,

Stay positive, today is your DPO14 already right? Maybe you won't go into next cycle leh?

I think I will still go back to Dr. Tan if I can arrange my time well. Still believe acupuncture is good for us, and sometime I do feel relax during the session.
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Today is my CD26 already! by my normal cycle length, I am suppose to end my cycle in 4 days time. But in fact, I am still at dpiui 6, what a long cycle to me. No special symptoms, except for windy stomach for few days after the IUI. Taking Dr. Tan's ATY diligently every afternoon. Good ger right? hehe...

PgHua,
You should be in your 2ww right?
 


hi gals

tday went for my scan..got 3 dominant eggs..2 at 12mm 1 at 11mm....praying hard will go well..tis sat wil see Dr Tan for acupunture
 
Hi Mummies to Be! (must be positive ladies!)

I've stopped seeing Dr Tan and I have one cycle worth of ATY, willing to give away so that its not gone to waste. Not touched or opened at all. Live in the Holland area, if you are interested PM me and we can arrange a time for self collection.
 
PGHua,
Yeah, good luck to all of us here. Stay happy ya... cos happy goes lucky... haha...

Purplelace,
Wah! tt's good progress! I heard eating egg white is good for follicles to grow. Keep us updates on your progress...

AnnissaKoh,
New cycle = New hope. Jia you!
 
hi girls. long time no c. sorry been missing for a while....

after my holiday, my system gone haywire.. cycle now jump to 35 - 38 days.. no luck still... today CD5. and im thinking whether i shld go for another time of IUI a not..before embarking on ivf. how long do we need to Q if going for IVF? from the time of first apptm...? thinking of getting a referral letter from polyclinic..
 
Tanny99,
Welcome back, I realize my cycle gets disturb when I go on holiday or was sick too. I guess it will back to normal once you have settled now again.
Maybe you can meet up with you gynea to discuss with him/her on what they suggest to you? How many IUI you done before? I heard we need to wait for few month for the IVF if we go with referral letter, not very sure on the timing.
But it is good to know you are not giving up on TTCing.
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Morning girls! Im in a beautiful mood today cuz 1. it's friiiiiiday! 2. CD1 for me
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like we all say - new cycle new hope.

Annissakoh, im ur cycle buddy this time round. haha. jia you!

ask you girls, if you do your scanning before seeing Dr Tan, would you update Dr Tan on the growth of your egg? And if you tell him, would he poke more needles on the side that you are ovulating? Im trying to see if it's worth having my gynae visit before seeing Dr Tan.
 
PhyLee,

From my experience, Dr. Tan will not poke more needles on the side you are ovulating. Hehe... But I never request, don't know if this is workable or not.
Normally, I will see Dr. Tan after my gynea visit. Partly wanted to update him my condition, cos Dr. Tan will only know our condition clearer from gynea scanning etc. You seeing your previous gynea?
 
PhyLee, I've never scan before but I do remember there were 2 cycles where Dr Tan "feel" my egg and estimated the size. I think he did mentioned about poking that side to "boost" it.

My cycle is longer therefore, we may not meet. Now I want to go the relax, no stress mood, not on the ball, have then have, dont have then nevermind kind of mindset.
 
Heatherwhite, yeah im seeing my previous gynae and see what he suggests. But on my end, im considering CARE, TMC or NUH
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I like TMC because I ever read from somewhere that they like to combine acupuncture with their treatments. I ever requested Dr Tan too for acupuncture after ovulation but he said it is not his practice to do so. He prefers to let things take their own course after ovulation
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AnnissaKoh, no worries! At least you are with me till we ovulate!
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You are CD2 and Im CD1. hehe. I just like to find cycle buddy so I don't feel so lonely in my journey. Used to be Heatherwhite but now we are more far and far apart! haha..
 
Morning gals,

It's Monday again... So blues cos of the weather... so nice to sleep...

PhyLee,
Keep us update on your choice ya. Today is my CD30 and 10dpIUI, 4 more days to go. But sad to say, my BBT start to drop le, and my PMS feeling is reporting to me liao...Sob... guess my BFP dream is vanishing... But will stay positive. There is always next cycle to look forward to. But feeling sian also, cos need to start another round of scanning and scanning. I think I will try another round of IUI again.

Purplelace,
How's your progress there? When can do your IUI? Getting nervous for you.
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PhyLee,

Morning.
Nope my BBT drop to my pre-O temperature liao. Sob... And start to have pre-menses cramp feeling. This makes me so not feel like taking Dr. Tan Part 2 ATY anymore. I still have 3 dose.
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PGHua,

How many days of cycle do you normally have? Seems like you have quite a short cycle this month.
Take a good rest during AF time, then restart a fresh cycle again. New hope, new luck. Jia you!
 
HeatherWhite
Ard 28-30 days cycle. Think my cycle go haywire already. This month the cycle was 26 days and last mth was the longest 33 days and is the first time it happened. Haiz... Everytime when AF reported, will feel so disappointed. Thinking wat goes wrong with us.
 
PGhua,
Is it fresh red with full volume? Any chance if it could be implantation bleeding? CD26 is really very short cycle.

I think my AF reporting very soon, just now go toilet got a bit of staining liao. Haiz, why my dear AF just can't leave me alone? Today is my CD31 but is only my 11dpIUI. Means my luteal phase is shorter than 14days. According to Dr. Tan, it is no good. And yes, I am also feel very disappointed too.

PGHua, I think we are able to meet each other again in Dr. Tan's clinic for this cycle.
 
Pghua

You are not alone. I did not get clear results on opk and bbt not ideal. Low at 36.6. not sure if I ovulate at all man. I'm now at Dpo4 if I did but not hopeful for BFP this cycle though. Dr Tan checked and can feel my eggs at CD16 and then see him at CD20 egg no more, meaning released according to him so say good luck to me. He said should be dpo3 then.
 
Morning gals,

My AF report already, it is so accurate without fail. Sigh... CD1 for me. Got to make all the appointments again... phew...
 
HeatherWhite
Morning.

We are partners this cycle. I also hope is a implantation bleeding but too bad is a heavy flow. Is a new cycle for us, so JIA YOU together. Think we will meet each other at Dr. Tan's clinic. Still have not make the appointment yet.

Oceangal
Same like you, I always never get a clear results on boths. So not sure whether did I ovulate every month?
 
HeatherG> i just tried IUI once only.. did not succeed. I din hv to self jab at that time. only took clomid and the nurse jab me once only - dunno jab me what... but as my DH morphology quite bad only 1%.. chances is v slim anyway. dunno they even swim up a not. cost me abt 1k with pte gynae at that time.

i suspect im a PCOS case thouh my gynae nvr say so and my menses are quite regular under dr tan care (but my prolactin is v high and FSH is v low).

really tired of trying naturally..

sigh.... i think the more confident method will be IVF since they do it on a petri dish. dr tan told me some of his patients are also doing ivf n seeing him at the same time.
 
me cycle this 2 month gone from 30 days to 34 and 38 days.. partly due to my holiday trip overseas and also haha.. did not take dr tan medicine regularly. dr tan always cant feel anything (sometimes he say one side nothing, the other side like got something but very small) even thou its almost O time.. wonder whats wrong with me..

i think im mad abt babies.. dunno y, but i hv no mood or motivation to work. going to work daily is like a chore. even when in the office, i keep thinking abt when i can get pregnant, and no mood to perform in my work.. i just try to get things done and pass one day by one day. my boss think that there is something wrong and ask me to buck up.. saying my work attitude is not like before.. asking whats wrong. i dunno what to say... everyday im thinking if i should tender and stay at home just to conceive. this has been going on for the past 1.5 yrs and i hv lost all interest in work.. right now my ultimate goal in life is to get preggy..... so dilemma.... is there something wrong with me? im seriously thinking of downgrading from my job to something purely admin and stress free... anyone also feel like me?
 
Tanny99

My hubby morphology also 1%. i read somewhere that Singaporean men SA not very good and the WHO new benchmark for average morphology is 4%. Read one of my post where I posted the link.
My FSH is also lower than my LH. 3 and 7. Dr Tan says if FSH is three times LH then confirm is PCOS.

I suppose I have it cos Idon't get clear results on opk except for once. I'm quite surprised cos my period is so regular and I don't have any of the symptoms. Well what do we know?
 
que sera : my FSH is 3 while LH is 5.. hmm.. and my prolactin is 660 so high!
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one of my colleague miscarriaged last year and now is pregnant gg to deliver in august.. i feel so rotten of myself.. my DH seems to be nonchalant everyday work and play his PC game..i seemt to be the one driving this.
 
What unit is it measured in? Mine is 0.62 nmol/l

Dont feel so, my dear. Such things' are beyond our control. Please believe that everything happens for a reason and its for our best it happens, be it good or bad. There is always hope and you can do IVF. THink of those who has their womb removed and will never have a chance to conceive. Do what you must to be happy. Perhaps a change of environment will help. Take a break, do something else. Perhaps you dont enjoy your job anymore. Most importantly you have to stay positive.

I was 'marriage' crazy once before I met my DH. I was also like you losing interest in everything except to meet my life partner. I am now happily married. It will happen, whatever you wish for but it may not be as soon as you would like it to be or how you want it to be. Take heart!

My DH is also like that. Work and pc games, FB etc etc. I think most Singaporean men are like that. I am also the one driving this whole 'operation' most of the time. Perhaps playing games is the only way they can de-stress and escape from the realities of life. Well, better he play games at home than gallivant outside.

I am thinking of taking up a course to kep myself occupied instead of focusing on having a baby. I feel like I am losing myself in the process. I used to be happy go lucky, love to wine/dine (haha only allow myself occasional glass of wine during AF period) and believes in destiny but somehow am suck into this whole thing.

Well well. We are giving Dr Tan 6 mths and will see a gynae if nothing happens and plan our next steps. Seriously I would prefer to adopt than do IVF cos I think there are so many lonely kids out there who needs a home, why force to bring one into this world. But well, for the sake of DH, I will still do IVF.

May we all be blessed with baby dust in the next few months!!!
 
Tanny99,

I think we are going through a very similar phase. Frankly speaking, I am like you, work like a zombie, no passion, no motivation, no planning. I don't even care on the appraisal or whether I get any increment. All my focus is only on how to get pregnant. This is the worst phase of my life so far. I never feel so lost before. I work hard, double hard to find ways to get myself pregnant. Search for doctors, try all methods. Nothing happens, my AF still report to me very punctually every month. I cried, I lost hope, I felt depressed, I get angry. This is my life for almost 3 years.
I ask myself is this what I want to live my life like this? Why am I so unhappy ever since I embarked on TTCing life? Answer is definitely NO. I start to realize is me making myself so miserable. I can choose to live my life more meaningful and happier, why I deep myself into the sorrow of not able to get pregnant? And blaming myself on what I have done to deserve this? Don't you find me so silly? I wasted 3 years of my precious life to live in the sadness?!
We are just too focused on what we want and neglect what the valuable things we have now. Like what oceangal mentioned, things happened for reasons. Tanny, let's focus on what we have and enjoy every part of our life. Our TTCing journey is not an easy one. But no matter how difficult it is, we should go through it happily. Try our best to do what we can. And throw the responsibility to fate and let fate to decide the outcome. Most importantly, we have our DH with us. I think they are our good role model, hehe... Let's play PC game with them.
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Hehe... but I am preferred my iphone games instead.
Cheers...
 
Que Sara sara,

My HB morphology also no good at 2%. But my previous gynea very cute, she joke with me that we only one sperm and egg to make thing happen, so not need to have too good morphology... Hehe... But I didn't really laugh when she said this to me, cos I was too disappointed with HB's SA result tt time. But now, I am truly agreed with her.
My HB object the adopt idea. So we will stop after IVF.
 
Tanny99 & HeatherWhite

I have the same feeling like boths of you. Sometimes I was thinking should I just quit my job so that I won't be so stress. Whose know I might strike once Im stress free.
HB just suggest maybe we can try to adopt. I have a distant relative married the same year and same month like me and she already have 2 kids.
 
Lovely girls, you all have just written how I felt for the past two years. I thought I was the only walking zombie on Singapore streets. Hahaha. Recently I even explored the possibility of migrating elsewhere just so to escape the stress of TTC from others around me. It seems like those around me are more kan chiong for me to have a baby rather than me myself.

Google has also become my best friend for the past two years. I used it almost everyday, searching for TTC information, dpo symptoms etc.

But come to think of it, isn't it great that we are now more in tune with our bodies ever since we started our TTC journey? We know how the body and each beautiful cycle works. I believe we will all appreciate the journey of pregnancy more than others. And for me, I have learnt to appreciate private time with my hubby.
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I read in some overseas threads that it's good luck to come up with a namelist of those TTC. So here are some of us who are actively trying under this thread. Hopefully some of us will graduate from the list soon!

Heatherwhite
Tanny99
Oceangal
PGHua
Purplelace
AnnissaKoh
Phylee
 
hi all
yest scan 3 follicles at 20mm 18mm 17mm..did HCG jab n tis morning just did IUI so painless n fast hehe ...happy tat coward me finally made the first step after so long....n rest just fall into pieces...Dr Tan ask me start ATY tomorrow liao...pray for the best bt will relax!!

phylee

thanks for adding me to the 'going to graduate list'hope all of us BFP SOON!!
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Purpleplace
Have a good rest and hope to receive BFP from you soon. Good Luck.

HeatherWhite
Did you manage to book any appt. from Dr. Tan??? Just call today, next week all fully booked liao.
Next sat., HB have an appt. By then might be too late for me (CD12) already.
 
PGHua, you usually O so early? Next week I managed to secure two slots with Dr Tan on Tues and Fri.

Purplelace, happy that you are just done with IUI! All the best!
 
Heatherwhite, yes I also believe we just need that one sperm and one egg, read it somewhere also.

Girls, lets remind ourselves not be hung up on BBT, OPK ovulation tracking and DH's SA lest we become too tensed up and cannot relax. Seriously I think alot men SA also not good, just that they never check and alot girls got PCOS but they also never check. Why I say that because I have friends who get pregnant even though they try to avoid the O period ie BD right after menses or one week to menses or missed AF one cycle and got preggie the next. Waah, what are the chances but they got it. And it also says their O is irregular.

But since we know, we do what we can and hope for the best. And I agree with PhyLee that we know our body better, appreciate the journey more than others and most importantly see how our DH love us and strengthen our bond.

I read this book 'Write it down, Make it Happen' yrs back when I was looking for my life partner. I wrote down the qualities (in terms of personality) I want in my life partner and true enough my DH has those qualities I hope for :D

So write it down, make it happen! I have written down the characteristics I hope my baby would have :D


PhyLee, thanks for list, may we all blessed with babydust and graduate this year :D

Purplelace,
Rest well and keeping my fingers crossed for you!

Happy Holidays gals! I would very much like to have some beer/wine but 2WW now so cannot
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Haha!
 
Good Morning gals, hope you had a nice and relax weekends. Another long weekends is coming again! hehe...

PhyLee,
Thanks for adding my name into your graduation list! Yes, we all will be graduating soon! Jia you!

PGHua,
I called Dr. Tan's clinic, like what you mentioned, the slots are full. But there is one empty afternoon slot on this Friday. I have booked the slot at 3pm for HB. And if I am able to apply half day I will go with him. If not, I will also skip this month poking.

Purplelace,
Congrates! Happy 2WW to you. Keep us update on your progress ya.

Gals, I am still considering if I should go for another round of IUI or take a break this month. As my next O lightly will falls on 7th, 8th May, Sat and Sunday. So timing may not be good for IUI. Or should I go back to Prof. Wong for a follicle size scan then decide to proceed or not?
 
Heatherwhite, maybe you should go see Prof Wong again and see what he suggests. You can then decide whether to go with the treatment or take one month break?

I'm feeling really down.. My worst fear has came true. My SIL is pregnant. I'm happy for her but at the same time I feel like I'm being slapped *yet again* on my forehead the label of infertile... Super sian. I really don't feel like going back to my in-laws place having to hear them talk happily about the pregnancy when all of them know that we are trying..

Sob.. Sorry that I had to let out my negative thoughts here but I only have you girls who can understand my feelings..
 
Heather > maybe see what Prof Wong suggest? or u can take a break first. i took quite a long break.. my iui was in sep or oct. then i took a break until now, cos it was year end my busy work period followed by new year n holidays. in the meantime, im also ttc-ing, with plans to try ivf.

Phylee> oh! can understand how u feel. really duno where to hide the face if someone else in the family is pregnant.... maybe dont go so often??

im contemplating ivf - one reason is tired of waiting..why not just try....but im so afraid of needles and the day surgery. i haven't step into an operating threatre my whole life. only go hospital to visit people...i scared i may chicken out..the thought of a chance to become a mum by next year keeps me going. hope all of us get BFP soon!!!! baby dust to everyone!
 
PhyLee,

A big hugz to you. Yes, all of us here know how you feel. We have 2 choices when we are in this kind of scenario. One is to avoid it and the other one is to face it.
Of cos it is easier if you can totally not going back to your MIL house. But if you don't, then you got to face it then. I believe all of us here are well trained to accept this kind of hit on and off. Aren't we already more or less used to it already? Hee... We may feel the slap instantly when we hear the news, but I think we can stand up and get over it again very fast too! Ger, don't feel sad, it is not our fault for being infertile. We deserve a better treatment than those who are super fertile! Give yourself sometime to get over the unbalances and back to your cheerful self again. Let's work harder to our aim and graduate from the list soon. Jia you gal, we hang on together ya.
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Dear ladies,

Pls don't give up hope yet. I got my BFP few weeks ago. I should be in my 6 - 7 weeks now.
I also have similar problem like you gals. My HB has poor morphology, 2%. For me, I have retroverted uterus. Have seen western gynae too, gave us supplements to eat but didnt helped also. Both of us went to see Dr Tan together every month twice and had accupuncture. He eats the medicine for morphology given by Dr Tan religiously for 3 cycle, while I took the yucky medicine and we got it.

Of cos, I also told myself to take things easy and not think too much. Relax, I went swimming twice weekly with my hubby and I think that helps me really relax.
We tried to eat healthy too. Fruits every day without failed. Strictly, no alcohol at all.

So, gals, pls don't give up hope yet. It came when I least expected it too. Every cycle, we will say, okie let's try again and encourage ourselves.

Oh yeah, this cycle, Dr Tan taught me something, not sure if that contributes to my BFP too. Maybe you gals can give it a try.
Becos I have retroverted uterus, my HB soldiers tends to flow out quickly, so I usually lift my legs up and put a pillow under my thigh.
But I notice sometimes, it still leaks out. Dr Tan told me, I shouldn't do the lifting on my own, as I will be squeezing the pelvic muscle if I do so and it will still force the spermies out eventually. So, he taught me to jus relax my whole body, so after BD, HB will quickly lift my two legs up for me and put a pillow under my thigh, that way, I will not strain my pelvic muscule, the spermies will stay in and liquidfy to flow in further. No harm giving it a try if u have retroverted uterus like me.

Hope this helps ya. Good luck to everyone here. Pls stay positive and keep going.
 
Tanny and PhyLee,

Thanks and taken your advise. I think I will make a visit to Prof. Wong next week, will see if I have chance to do IUI for this cycle or not.

Tanny,
Me too, I really scare of the needles and the procedure. Admire and solute to those who have been go through it before.

PGHua,
You mind share some of your experience with us on the IVF? Like how's the cost like? You seeing Prof. Wong for IVF with referral letter? HB and I actually planning for IVF after 3 times of failed IUI.
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Did you do IUI before proceeding to IVF too?
 
Remedies,

A big congratulation to you! Muack! Hehe... You did it! So happy for you!
Don't forget to sprinkle us some baby dust ya. (^^,)/
 
Heatherwhite,

Thank you. *hugz*
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I won't forget u gals lor.
Yes, definitely sprinkle lots of baby dusts to all of u here.
All of you here, You're next!! :p
 
remedies!!! congratulations!! finally a BFP in this thread! can I know how long have you been TTC? and how long have you been seeing Dr Tan?

you managed to get a rabbit baby!! i hope your rabbit baby will call all the other last minute rabbits in this thread to come join him/her.. hehehe..

Heatherwhite, Tanny 99
Thanks for your kind words. Hugz. Really touched. Felt like crying reading your posts. Guess you are right, I will give myself some time to grieve over before facing them this weekend.
 
Remedies
Congratulation to you. How long have you been with Dr. Tan???

HeatherWhite
It takes about 2 months to complete the whole cycles and if I remember correctly for 4 weeks you have to jab every mornings and another 2 weeks morning and night. Is a tough journey to go through.Have to go to the hospitals for scanning every alternate days to check the size of the follicles and bld test before the retrival of the eggs. And in the afternoon, the nurse will call you to inform whether you need to increase the med. dose to jab at night.
I was very scare of the needles and also the bld test.HB have to do the jabs. That is why till now, I still can't made up my mind to go for 1 last try. I did twice IUI under him, at first I was thinking to try for 3 times if failed then proceed to IVF. After 2 try the success rate was very low and don't want to wait any more money so we proceed direct to IVF.
The cost is approx. $10,000-12,000 plus minus. The most costly is the med. that you need to jab for the last 2 weeks. Govt. grant for 3 cycles only @ S$3,000.00 before you reached 40 years old. Medisave also can be used only for 3 cycles.
Prof. Wong does not see patient with referral letter, I see him as a private and that is why the charges was very costly.
I have been through 2 ard of IUI under Prof. wong. At first, I was thinking to try for 3 rds. before we proceed to IVF. After 2 try, the success rate was very low and don't want to spend any more money on IUI so we proceed to IVF.
Hope you don't have to go through this.
 
Remedies,

Grabbing the baby dusts from you. hehe...
Yo, don't you dare to forget us here?! We been taking the yucky dessert after lunch together everyday before wor. hehe... Just joking lar. Yes, please drop by to this forum here and give us mental support and update your progress ya. Really feel happy for you. Hope you have a smooth pregnancy ahead.
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PhyLee,
Don't worry, you have us to support you through the hard time. Sometimes I am so proud of myself, I didn't know I can go through so far for all the TTCing challenges. From facing the cruel failure every months, to all the fertility tests, scare of needles and yet I am doing acupuncture now. Hehe... I believe everything we been through will also bring something to us too. The only thing we need to do now is to stay happy and enjoy every parts of our life.
 


PGHua,

You are so brave! I wonder I can be like you to go through all these jabs. So total we need to jab for 6 weeks? Tt is so scary to me! I don't know if I will stop and give up half way through. Sigh!

You also trying natural IUI under Prof. Wong too? I calculated the cost last month. I spend slightly more than a thousand for the IUI. And already find it expensive for me.
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$10000-$12000 is too costly, do you get government co-fund, beside using the medisave? So how much you roughly spend on each IVF? This seems too expensive for me to proceed with IVF. Sob.... And I have checked with the nurse, if I want to switch to public patient and I got to wait for 1 year.
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