(2012/03) Mar 2012

Hi mummies

Delivered my boy on 19 mar.

Wonder hows the milk supply for all of u? Im only pumping abt 40 ml each time both sides combined. So litttle. N bb needs abt 70-80 now. Hv to Supplrment w formula.
 


April, may you PM me with your Facebook email? So hat I can add you.

Regarding breast milk supply, I have uPs and downs supply as these two days I am not pumping every three hours but some times four or five hours. I am guessing my body can produce milk for 15ml to 20ml per hour. I guess. But I found mid nigg the body produce less.

Usually 60ml per three hours. But it can be 80ml per four bours. Midnight it may be 40ml for three hours.

I am on day 13th. Very tiring for pumping milk. I don't know iow long I can stand!

My CL dont allow me to take sacred nursin tea. So I haven't drank anything special to boost milk supply.
 
Wow. Im also pumping 3-4 hrs. Max is 60 ml. So sad... Also not taking any supplements to boost milk.

What can we do? Drink more water??
 
Anewmummy n princessy, I think it's normal. Currently, I am coming to the end of my confinement n I pump out abt 100ml for 3 hrs. I trying to latch n pump at the same time. So I think the supply in low.
 
Hi April,

I have sent you friend request sometime back I think, please add me so that I can add you to FB group. I wonder I should open up the FB group or not, but I guess best to remain it as private.

PrinceSSy, My OB prescribed me some medicine to boost supply, I haven't started taking yet as once started, it must be continuous for at least 5 days. I have tried drinking more, the supply still the same for these few days
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April,

I do full time pumping only, no latching due to some conditions. If latching plus pumping, you probably won't know the exact amount? It probably more than 100ml/3 hours. That's consider good? As it will be > 800ml already! Wow.
 
Hi la_paix,

I also started massage. Well, I felt pain yeah for certain part of body, I got lower back pain, that's the most painful part. I think it's good massage, very relaxing as well.

Cheers
 
Today Bb is 8days old ;D

Regarding pumping, I have been able to pump about 120ml max for left and about 80ml for left for about half hour. Never really take note of the timing though.. Been drinking soup almost every meal +water (sorry I hate red dates drink).. If I don't have enough fluid intake, supply will drop.

Yeah drama mama I am. Wanted to wait for eldest to come back from playgrp.. Thought still can tahan mah.. Never thought that this time round the contractions came fast and furious.. Till I bth. By that time too late le. Scared the hell out of my girl and hub. (helper shared with me she gave birth at home just few nights before I pop..) Shortly after hub call scdf my waterbag broke (I was screaming on the toilet bowl :x).

Paramedics arrived within 7mins and asked if I can walk I just shoot say cannot! Bb coming out le! Then within 5mins I pushed Bb out on my bed. Then they send me to KKH to stitch up.

Now whenever nurse/dr ask Bb delivered at KKH? I give sheepish grin and say Er.. No. At home. They all give priceless expression. Lol
 
Kepsis, mine was a natural delivery. Pushed for 5 minutes and popped. Haha. Very fast ar. During checkup at week 34, as my baby was too active, it turned head up. Was quite upset. Was planning for natural. However, he turned head down again two weeks later.
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I’m not going to have the full month celebration as initially planned out after my baby contacted the common virus – enterovirus and was hospitalised for almost a week. Baby has immature immune system. Suspect to spread through the elder one was having flu and kissed him. Now I’m careful not to let him come into contact with so many people. Think of the full month tradition, I’m quite reluctant to trim the baby hair. Will take forever to grow back.

My massage lady asked me to avoid these activities for 3 months. Be kiasu abit. No squatting, sit up, jogging and carry heavy stuffs. For all you know when you are old, the uterus might drop…. I immediately stop carrying my elder one.
 
Thanks Jan Jan for the update. I still have over 20 stamps and have already collect those stations. Leapfrog dinosaur sounds fun! I’m checking out the website in a while.

April, must go for massage to treat backache and rid the wind from the stomach. Else very flabby. In my case I went out quite often during this confinement, hence, I have a lot of wind to clear. Now farting…thanks to the chilli/ginger tummy wrap. Sometimes the baby fuss a lot because they might have wind in the stomach, making them uncomfortable.

I have not pump out my milk. I had low supply for my first one. Couldn’t meet demand. So its like combine fm/bm. Now, I’m contented that my baby is so far growing. No supplement required. Once I meet the one month milestone, I will start to pump.

I heard the raw fenugreek seed brew with hot water can be very effective. Better than capsule? Have not tried. Can get this herb from geylang.
 
Congrats to all those who have popped! My EDD is today and I'm still waiting...

anewmummy, also hoping to join the FB group and have PM-ed you already. Sometimes wonder if this group is not so active because of the number of people selling items here.

la_paix, I also heard that fenugreek seed is more effective than the capsule. Maybe because it is fresher? Also have not tried but intend to do so if my milk supply isn't good.

Btw if anyone needs to stock up on diapers, Pampers NB size is going for $2.30 on Gmarket from 8 to 10pm tonight; if I'm not wrong, order at least 6 packs for free shipping: http://list.gmarket.com.sg/item/PAMPERS-EASY-UP-PANTS/405131115?sid=750
 
Wow gina.
Ur milk ss is so gd!!!
Mine also second bb. And i hv been warned by gynae tt contractions comes fast n furious. She told me i might not hv time for epidural!!
End up bb didnt want to come out so i had to induce. Within 4 hrs of induction bb is out.. Compared to 11 hrs for my no.1.second one is really easier
 
Hi mummies out there,

I've given to my gal on 9 Mar thru emergency c-sect after being in labour for 18 hrs.
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During my stay in hospital, I latched my gal but once hme, I can't seems to latch her on properly thus she cried. Don't want to keep forcing as I don't want her to keep crying than suffer from colic. She's mostly on FM as my BM supply is very low. Initial pump, both breasts combined ard 50-60ml but subsequent pumps, it's ard 10-20ml the most. I heard the more u pump, the supply will get more. So demoralized seeing my BM getting lesser n lesser. Also, perhaps, I'm tired n lazy at times... Pump only once or twice per day. Juz bgt fenugreek fr GNC n eating them. Not sure when will I see increase in supply after all pumps.
 
Hihi,

Happened to chance upon this thread. I'm a Feb 2012 mummy but by chance cos baby was premature.

Anyway ET, MUST MUST pump 3 hourly especially at the start or else your supply will just slowly shut off. Your brain tells your body that the milk supply is enough. Once supply is established (maybe about a month or so), can slowly increase the intervals.

Lactation nurse at kkh told me 3 hourly for 1st month, 4 hourly for 1 week and 5 hourly for 1 week. Then can proceed to 6 hourly which is 4 times a day. Now you're only pumping once or twice!! If you intend to fully feed your girl with BM, have to have discipline to pump. I know it's tiring cos I've been pumping all the way since 5 Feb =/ Long way more before baby comes home.

Think constant pumping helps cos now I can pump 200+ ml per session constantly. Rest more if you can also cos milk supply will drop when you're tired.

JIA YOU mummies!!
 
Hi Sunkissed,

Thkx for sharing. I tried pump thrice but each time, supply not increasing.., instead dropping. Is there any specific timing that u pump everyday?

My massage lady told me I don't ve alot of milk supply. I would love to feed full BM. Perhaps, I'm not eating much n never rest well.

Btw, how's ur baby? Back home already?
 
Sunkiss

Am I in track?
Day 14th
Pump three hourly around the clock
60ml on both breast combined
Each pump session max 30 minutes on both breast combined
Pump and massage and hand expression then pump ....
Max letdown is 2-3 times only. Lucky then got three times.
 
I have called huggies. Dunno whether there will be a season 3. Even if there is, they might be using different stamp. This is what the lady told me. "Might change stamp". Jialat. Stuck with the stamps. Worse, I will redemn station 3 for the diapers.
 
Mummies,
Do I need to worry: lochia stopped a day then start again? Also, soreness in lower andominal part ( uterus ) when walking?

ET, nope. 60ml is average per pump in both breasts.
 
Anewmummy: Yup my lochia came n go too. Sometimes a long sometimes totally nothing, so I guess it's ok. Regarding the pain, if it's feeling of cramp it should be due to ur uterus getting back to its original size. But if it's sharp pain I think it's not normal.
 
Hi mummies..
I just popped on 14th march. Been a good 2 weeks plus and I'm enjoying each moment with my Baobei son. He's my first baby and it's amazing how a life is created in our womb for 9 months. Haha.. Good day mummies !
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Same as my gynae. For my first baby, i asked him about medicine to increase bm. I have the problem of low supply and block ducts. Spent alot of money to increase milk supply. Breast massage, all kinds of supplements, breast pump, hours and hours of research... Gynae said nothing wrong with giving formula... I think these days there are over emphasis on bm and giving mothers alot of pressure. There are pros to giving formula milk as well. No such thing as bonding formed only through latching or bm. We can say did our best to give bm.

anewmummy, my massue massage my uterus to remove the lochia out. If you want you can pm me for her contct. Alternatively, increase the intake of the woody black fungus?
 
hi mummies..
juz my thots... pls dun bother abt how much milk supply u have ... juz give whatever u can
not enuff top up with FM.. there nothing wrong with it...
relax and do whatever u can otherwise it will turn out more stress then what u think it should be....bf should be the most relaxing and wonderful thing ... so dun worry too much and do what u can
 
Agree with Kiddo and La_paix... This time round, our PD like never emphasise the goodness of bm anymore. during the extended stay in hospital due to jaundice, pd even advise me to give bb fm, so that bb will be more full and pass out the jaundice through urine and stools.

then my gynae's is even better, keep asking if i want those bottled infant formula... i say i am TBF-ing she say, got enough meh? u sure u dowan bottled infant fm to supplement?

i was like.. huh???? when i had my girl, they keep discouraging me to give fm. not much bm also squeeze out bm for my elder. and it was a shame to admit that i actually give her one feed of fm every night then.

but now, who cares???

but deep in my heart i will wanna try to TBF for as long as i can. now i am contemplating if i should introduce one fm every night and store that pack of bm or just go ahead and tbf until demand exceeds supply..

what do you think, mommies??
 
mummies, we are still less than 1 mth after birth, ss wont increase so fast. this is my 2nd birth, it takes about 2 months or longer for the ss to increase. So dont worry.

janjan, i think diff hospital place diff emphasis. For mine, the nurse, doc, lactation nurse all want me to bf. but i dun really care, i let my gal feed on 1 FM for her night feed so that she will sleep longer.
 
anewmummy, could it be masitis? Pls go find out more on the internet.

i have heard also about giving fm to baby with jaundice. It is crucial to pass out the black poo and bm is not going to help alot esp we are on confinement and its heaty stuffs we are eating. Dun sayang the bm. Give fm at least until the baby recovers. You wan your baby to recover fast. Do with some baby massage and apply telon or ruyi oil. Baby will feel good. Swaddle him up.

I tried the fenugreek brew with water. Its helps! You can try to buy a small pack from Sheng Siong about 60cents. Get a thermo flask. Throw one tablespoon of seeds and add 1 littre of boiling water inside. Seep for at least an hour until the seed become soft. Drink it hot. Should be able to see result within 2 days. I see result. Feel milk flow is better.
 
anewmummy,

I got exactly the same symptoms as you. There was once where I found 2 lumps in my left breast then I went to massage until it went away. It was extremely sore after that.. but I read online that you have to keep pumping still so I dragged myself up in the middle of the night to pump even though I had chills. I took panadol every 4 hourly to help my fever go down. It's safe as the medicine was given to me by KKH after I was discharged.

Think mine could have been a blocked duct or mastitis cos never fully empty the breast. After every pumping session, ensure there are no lumps in the breast. It will go away eventually. Think it took me a few days to recover.

ET,

I didn't have specific timing initially cos 3 hourly is seriously very hard to follow =/ but I tried my best. Sometimes will delay a bit. But I guess it helps to have specific timing so maybe your body can adjust to it? My supply only started increasing in the 2nd week or so. At first also less than 100ml one. But I'm exclusively pumping so maybe it's a little different. Baby too small to latch on still
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Anyway, I do this breast massage everyday in the shower.

http://www.breastfeeding-problems.com/breast-massage.html

Think it helps to prevent blocked ducts. Can try
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Baby won't be back so soon cos my EDD is 18 May. She'll be there until at least the EDD or maybe even more.
 
la_paix,
Would like to try fenugreek, but which section to get in sheng siong and do you know the name in chinese in case i need to ask the sales person in the store...

Thanks
 
i'm actually more pro breastfeeding but this is just me, cos FM can never replace bm & wld not hv the antibodies that bm has & it's the most natural thing which our ancestors hv been feeding bbs for a long while, except for our parents generation when FM starts to get introduced.

for bbs with jaundice, it's not necessarily that bm can't help to reduce jaundice, so long bb gets fed regularly & poo frequently to pass out the bilirubin. i personally find that it is not that FM is good in helping bb with jaundice, it's more like it's always readily available, so u just feed bb & when there's input there's output whereas bm takes time to kick in & ss takes time to build up, so when u don't hv much to give to your bb, bb has less inputs, so less outputs. my girl has jaundice on day 3, she was put under phototherapy to reduce it so that we can discharge together. back at home, i started to feel engorgement & bb keeps sleeping due to jaundice. but hubby & i were determined to help bb to reduce jaundice & also to relief my engorgement, so for the 1st few days, we really woke up bb every 3 hrs including night time to breastfeed, it relieves my engorgement & also bb's jaundice came down. bb need not hv to take blood test or hospitalised & bb only needs to see PD again 1mth later for follow-up review. now i wld feed bb on demand & only if she sleeps beyond 4hrs, then i wld wake her up for milk.

i don't pump regularly as i fully latch on, which i personally find it better as it's less hassle, don't need to wash & sterilise pumps, & latching can promote bonding with bb. also, don't hv to worry abt pump output which can be very stress & if feel stress, it wld affect output. when bb undergoes growth spurt, they wld latch on more & ss wld auto increase with the more frequent latchings, which pumpings wld not unless u do power pumping at certain intervals.

having said all these, mummies shouldn't feel too pressurised, just give whatever u can, but u still need to rest more & be happy. enjoy your motherhood as breastfeeding is just 1 part & not all, there's alot of other things/activities that u can do with bb.
 
Hi bunnybluey,I m also same like you,I gave my boy bm to reduce his jaundice.Hw old is your girl now?My boy is 4weeks.Did you try to pump?Yesterday I tried to pump but my vol was disappointing.I am afraid my boy is not eating enough.So far he is pooing but weight gain not so much.Need some advise on pumping.How freq do you do pumping & latch on?Any supplement to increase the milk supply?My boy is week 4,can I still increase my milk supply?
 
<font color="000080">Wanda >> Don't worry too much about pump volume. As long as your boy is producing poo-y diapers he's probably doing fine. I was v agressive with the pumping in the first 2 weeks because my girl had problem latching, pumped every 2-3 hours. By 6 weeks your milk supply will have stabilised liao, but even then it's still possible to increase output with more frequent latching/pumping (it's called relactation - can google to find out more). You might want to try fenugreek or sacred women's tea to see if it works for you.</font>
 
Hi Rykiel (kiel),

Re: Confinement Tingkat.

I order confinement tingkat from www.newbaby.com.sg . The serving for rice portion is 2 chinese rice bowl. Usually I will eat only 1 chinese rice bowl of rice. The serving for food is also big except for fish dish which is usually about a palm size (may be around 100g) and the "Pork Knuckle in Ginger and Vinegar" is small (all bones, not much meat, I also do not eat the skin). Fish Soup is oily as the fish slices are deep fried.

I order from this caterer because it provide disposable container for the rice and 2 dishes. The soup container is not easy to wash. See http://www.newbaby.com.sg/index_files/NewbabyConfinementFoodFAQ.htm .

I get bored after 2 weeks as the dish repeat itself. I should have ordered from two different caterer as most caterer repeat the food after two weeks.
 
Wanda, my girl is 3 wks now. I latch bb fully, so I don't pump a lot, usually twice a day, but wld definitely pump once in the morning. When I do pump, max is like 95ml, aft latching, which I'm fine with it as whatever pumped out is extra &amp; I stored into freezer. How much wt does your bb gain every wk? My PD said so long bb gained at least 200g is ok. You can try sacred nursing tea or other tea or fenugreek, can look up for these in BPs. Still can increase supply by latching or pumping more, like if u latch &amp; when bb growth spurt &amp; u latch more, ss wld increase as well &amp; bb growth spurt at different timings. Jiayou!
 
Hi mummies,
I delivered my bb gal on 28th March &amp; struggling with milk supply now. I let the baby latch on about 4 times in the day &amp; have to supplement with formula after each latching. Went to see lactation consultant &amp; was told to massage my breasts. Only after vigorous massaging then I'll see some milk when I squeeze with my fingers. I'm also not responding to breast pump. Max can only pump 40ml in an hour &amp; pumping must be 4/5 hours apart. My CL is quite discouraging,asked me to sleep &amp; forget about pumping in the middle of the night since my supply is so low. She has been feeding my gal formula at night.
What should I do to I increase my milk supy?
 
Bunnybluey,my baby is gaining only 100g per week, very sad.Your milk supply is good.Which brand of fenugreek?GNC?Where can I buy the sacred tea?
Shernice,during middle of the night,usually milk supply is low.Maybe you try pumping morning.Which pump are you using?
 
<font color="000080">Shernice >> Hormone higher in the morning, you tend to get better output if you pump in the morning. But all the more you should pump at night if you want to increase output! Do your boobs feel lumpy? Possible you have blocked ducts which is affecting your supply. You should also pump more frequently, ie every 2-3 hours instead of 4-5 hours, because our breasts make the most milk when they are not full!
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The rule is always demand=supply, so if you simulate additional demand by pumping every 2-3 hours, your body will get the message and produce more milk.

Wanda >> Every baby is different... your PD said weight gain ok? Also, if your bb is latching then understandable that pump vol is low because he already sucked all the milk out mah! ;) </font>
 
Sunkissed,

During my stay in hospital, my breast will feels very warm and engorge. The nurse massage for me than it's very painful. Upon discharge, still feels lump in my breast but not anymore. I don't feel engorge if I don't pump now. My massage lady told me I don't have alot of bm supply after her massage.
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Ur baby is premature... That's a long stay in hospital till EDD. Hope she's recovering well and can discharge soon.
 
Evelyn,

How's your supply now? In hopital I was taught to pump for 5 mins, alternating between each breast until 30 mins. I went home and decided to do 15 mins each. But after I got the fever and the lumps, I realised I haven't been emptying my breasts fully. So now I always end up pumping for nearly an hour to empty them (using single electric pump). Super time-consuming but I guess it's the only way to prevent lumps.

Ya my situation is kinda odd cos I haven't had the chance to let bb latch on. Can't wait to experience it
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then don't have to wash the pump parts so often also!
 
Tethysea>>During the 2 wk visit to the PD,doc said weight gain ok.But I see my boy still so small &amp; thin,very heartache.Bf is really hard,sometimes,just feel like giving up.
Evelyn>>How does the massage lady know you don't have a lot of milk supply?Massage can tell?
 
Wanda>> I'm using medela freestyle. Have to keep massaging then I'll see milk dripping out drop by drop. Can barely collect 20ml from both sides after 45 minutes.
tethysea>> my breasts felt lumpy before I visited the lactation consultant. After she told me to massage, I've been doing that regularly &amp; it's not really lumpy now but my milk supply is still not increasing
 
Sunkissed,

Very disappointing!!! Only get gd supply for my 1st pump and subsequent pump, as usual no improvement. I drank green papaya soup boil with pork ribs or fish tail but no result. Perhaps, must drink more. I'm on fenugreek now and increase to 6 capsules daily. Ur supply is so much more than me. Kinda worried that my bm supply will stop after confinement.

Don't worry too much, am sure ur baby is fine and will discharge soon.
 


Wanda,

I asked her help to massage for my milk flow. She said that bcoz she don't feels any lump inside my breast. Initially, when I massage myself, there is lump but now no more. I reckon the lump is for milk supply.
 

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