(2008/12) December 2008 MTBs
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emeraldbride
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Hi Hi..still stuck in the office..sigh!!!
I also need to go buy nursing bra liao. Mabbe can buy this coming Saturday.. after my office hr since hubby working 24hrs tat day..keke
My colleagues was telling me the PD at United Sq not bad wor..Dr. Ong (sumthing like tat lar) but i will not go so far..will prob find one nearer to my place at Punggol or Sengkang.
Juz, actually me not nervous abt baby but somehow i m those that worry unnecessary.. tat's y i always hv different dreams.
Gotta go off liao..my baby kicking me signalling that I should go eat (cos i m hungry)..lately he's been doing tat alot, kick in the morning before breakfast, lunch time and ard 6plus to 7plus..hahaha
I also need to go buy nursing bra liao. Mabbe can buy this coming Saturday.. after my office hr since hubby working 24hrs tat day..keke
My colleagues was telling me the PD at United Sq not bad wor..Dr. Ong (sumthing like tat lar) but i will not go so far..will prob find one nearer to my place at Punggol or Sengkang.
Juz, actually me not nervous abt baby but somehow i m those that worry unnecessary.. tat's y i always hv different dreams.
Gotta go off liao..my baby kicking me signalling that I should go eat (cos i m hungry)..lately he's been doing tat alot, kick in the morning before breakfast, lunch time and ard 6plus to 7plus..hahaha
I see ladies
cos i m confuse.. once deliver baby, where to bring baby for injections etc etc?? As i know there is a series of jabs to take.
Think i lazy to go back to TMC and wanna find somewhere in east side.. GP for normal flu etc and PD if really necessary...
my gynae did not tell me anything abt after delivery.
Anyone staying in East already checked out the pricing?
cos i m confuse.. once deliver baby, where to bring baby for injections etc etc?? As i know there is a series of jabs to take.
Think i lazy to go back to TMC and wanna find somewhere in east side.. GP for normal flu etc and PD if really necessary...
my gynae did not tell me anything abt after delivery.
Anyone staying in East already checked out the pricing?
fabbie
Active Member
sam so funny leh you say your kids are rojak haha Rojak but is nice! i like it! as mix baby is always very cute! my cousin marry to a angmo, baby so cute lor.. haha
Eh btw. is it true to work it out with ya hubbie in a cold country, then baby come out will be good? Im just curious hehe.
Jowin
Ya doc adrian right? are u going to ask about the PD for baby?
Eh btw. is it true to work it out with ya hubbie in a cold country, then baby come out will be good? Im just curious hehe.
Jowin
Ya doc adrian right? are u going to ask about the PD for baby?
Hi fabbie
Mine is Dr Cheng at TMC
I know there are PD at TMC.. but i lazy to go back so many times.. even after delivery.. haha!!! wanna somewhere in east.
See this?
http://www.****.net/pediatrician_location.htm
*** replace with babysupplies
Mine is Dr Cheng at TMC
I know there are PD at TMC.. but i lazy to go back so many times.. even after delivery.. haha!!! wanna somewhere in east.
See this?
http://www.****.net/pediatrician_location.htm
*** replace with babysupplies
Hi Ladies, tmrw i have appt!! yippee.. with a new gynae AGAIN!! keke.. this time going to see Dr M Hendricks.. hope i like her and will continue with her!
There is a 2 PDs near my place.. one is Dr Ooi and the other is a panel of Drs.. i think the place is called Children's Clinic.. i will bring Hayden for jabs at the Polyclinic.. if nothing serious, i will also bring to polyclinic.. will see PD at clinics only if its after hours.. but i will choose to go to KKH for emergency cases..
have you all tot of the jabs yet? i think polyclinic doesnt have 6 in 1.. i think they only have 5 in 1.. need to check.. keke.. but i will definitely let hayden do the rotavirus jab..
i feel so blesses that i dun stay with my ILs.. keke.. i have 2 MILs.. that would be scaty if they restrict me or anything..
There is a 2 PDs near my place.. one is Dr Ooi and the other is a panel of Drs.. i think the place is called Children's Clinic.. i will bring Hayden for jabs at the Polyclinic.. if nothing serious, i will also bring to polyclinic.. will see PD at clinics only if its after hours.. but i will choose to go to KKH for emergency cases..
have you all tot of the jabs yet? i think polyclinic doesnt have 6 in 1.. i think they only have 5 in 1.. need to check.. keke.. but i will definitely let hayden do the rotavirus jab..
i feel so blesses that i dun stay with my ILs.. keke.. i have 2 MILs.. that would be scaty if they restrict me or anything..
If baby/children have any problems, better go kk, tat time my boy got lungs infection,persistant fever brought him to c PD at TMC, $90+ and wait very long, after taking med, no use, so in the end brought him to KK A & E, pay $70, incl of med, x-tray and much faster and after taking the med for 1-2 days, my boy ok liao. So now normal flu or cough, just bring him to c GP. Anything serious st to KK, dun waste my time and $$$.
snowymum
Well-Known Member
Re Jabs:
I only heard my colleagues comparing prices of the injections from GP and PD. I did hear that PDs usually charge more than GPs... Price difference range from $30 onwards.
Not too sure how poly's jab cost compare with GP and PD.
Phyl,
Any idea is CSC card got special discount for jabs? If got then i rather bring bb to poly clinic. *Haha*
I only heard my colleagues comparing prices of the injections from GP and PD. I did hear that PDs usually charge more than GPs... Price difference range from $30 onwards.
Phyl,
Any idea is CSC card got special discount for jabs? If got then i rather bring bb to poly clinic. *Haha*
fabbie
Active Member
phyl lol.. wah.. isnt that tiring for u? to keep changing gynea? faints. hope you will like this gynea ba. hehee
BTw gals.. do you feel your baby like brushing your bones?? i felt it leh. it feels like my ger is playing guitar in my body! i felt her like brushing my ribs sia!... feels hmm quite pain sometimes. and is like i can feel the bones knocking on each other.
BTw gals.. do you feel your baby like brushing your bones?? i felt it leh. it feels like my ger is playing guitar in my body! i felt her like brushing my ribs sia!... feels hmm quite pain sometimes. and is like i can feel the bones knocking on each other.
kristalangel
Active Member
fabbie .. funnily enough, my 2nd daughter that was born in the States is super fair with curly hair .. my hubby keeps joking that I must have had a fling with the postman ... hahahahah. The USPS uncle on the base who delivered our mail was super old .. I don't think so lor ..
hahahaha
hahahaha
Snowger, I not so sure, coz mine is not CSC but what i know is i have to apply for a medical ben card for baby and that allows subsidized rates.. but i go poly clinic i will use my blood donor card.. that one totally free.. i can apply for my son as dependant..
fabbie.. i also hope so.. i very irritated with TPS already.. pay so much also dunno for wat..
fabbie.. i also hope so.. i very irritated with TPS already.. pay so much also dunno for wat..
llig
Member
hmm.. so 18mo is ok for playgroup i guess. I've this huge fear that my outgoing little boy will be 'tamed' by the teachers or worse, won't have any friends and that will change him.
Even now, when he befriends kids outside and some bochup him, i feel so sad. Dunno why some parents teach their children to ignore other kids. You ladies don't ever do that okie....
Juz,
Dun worry so much about the GBS. The last time i was swabbed in the delivery room and results were back fast..within mins/hours (can't remember) and they had me on antibiotics immediately. According to articles, the best time to test is actually past 35-36 wks cos would be more accurate then so dun worry k.
I also don't think that age is a factor. My husband and i have been together since we were 17, ROM when we were 25, baby #1 at 27, #2 at 28. I believe key is communication.. To make a point to explain yourself nicely (the other person can't read your mind) and respect each other.
Sam,
we also 11th anniversary. haha... but not marriage, rather since we've been together. No MIL horror story. For me, i can't spend time with my mum cos she makes me so angry... weird huh?
Juz,
Dun worry so much about the GBS. The last time i was swabbed in the delivery room and results were back fast..within mins/hours (can't remember) and they had me on antibiotics immediately. According to articles, the best time to test is actually past 35-36 wks cos would be more accurate then so dun worry k.
I also don't think that age is a factor. My husband and i have been together since we were 17, ROM when we were 25, baby #1 at 27, #2 at 28. I believe key is communication.. To make a point to explain yourself nicely (the other person can't read your mind) and respect each other.
Sam,
we also 11th anniversary. haha... but not marriage, rather since we've been together. No MIL horror story. For me, i can't spend time with my mum cos she makes me so angry... weird huh?
llig
Member
Phyl,
is Hendricks in tomorrow? I thought she blocked her clinic till Thu...? I'll only get to see her on Fri evening.
I'm with her too. Like her so far.. She takes the time to answer any queries you might have and put you at ease.
keke.. My sleeping little boy just walked in with his little sleepy blur face. So cute.. Just passed him on to be put back to bed.
is Hendricks in tomorrow? I thought she blocked her clinic till Thu...? I'll only get to see her on Fri evening.
I'm with her too. Like her so far.. She takes the time to answer any queries you might have and put you at ease.
keke.. My sleeping little boy just walked in with his little sleepy blur face. So cute.. Just passed him on to be put back to bed.
fabbie,
My girl moving alot and really quite pain like "brushing" against my bones and if I lie down on my side, she will moves/kicks me at my sides, makes me so itchy like tickling my sides.
Really no appetite these few days, feel like vomiting, force myself to eat my bf everyday. What happen, all first tri discomfort coming back just tat with a much bigger tummy. Counting down to birth, still got abt 5 weeks to go, jiayou...
Had a root beer float today, feel so shiok , can douse my heat , feel much better st. away coz been having sore throat on/off for quite awhile liao.
My girl moving alot and really quite pain like "brushing" against my bones and if I lie down on my side, she will moves/kicks me at my sides, makes me so itchy like tickling my sides.
Really no appetite these few days, feel like vomiting, force myself to eat my bf everyday. What happen, all first tri discomfort coming back just tat with a much bigger tummy. Counting down to birth, still got abt 5 weeks to go, jiayou...
Had a root beer float today, feel so shiok , can douse my heat , feel much better st. away coz been having sore throat on/off for quite awhile liao.
llig
Member
Juz,
you mentioned free bazaar on your blog.. Where/when? My friend trying to sell off her crazy collection of mint-condition storybooks as she's migrating.
Loveangel,
Actually before also kids start to get 'mixed' but just that people not so open about it. Now more accepting.. My husband's great-granma jap married malay, granma malay married indian, mom look malay malay and husband classified as malay. Me plain old punj and our son dunno look like what also. (therein lies my insecurities that he won't be accepted)
you mentioned free bazaar on your blog.. Where/when? My friend trying to sell off her crazy collection of mint-condition storybooks as she's migrating.
Loveangel,
Actually before also kids start to get 'mixed' but just that people not so open about it. Now more accepting.. My husband's great-granma jap married malay, granma malay married indian, mom look malay malay and husband classified as malay. Me plain old punj and our son dunno look like what also. (therein lies my insecurities that he won't be accepted)
Almost new, mint condition barely used MIM sateen sling that comes as per original - with cd rom and instructions. selling $35, slightly neg.
Also spanking new 4-way baby carrier, selling $85, slightly neg.
Plz sms me at 9856 8158 in interested, as I may not be able to check here regularly.
Plz see following thread for the pix: -
http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/messages/451986/1791814.html?1223997140
Also spanking new 4-way baby carrier, selling $85, slightly neg.
Plz sms me at 9856 8158 in interested, as I may not be able to check here regularly.
Plz see following thread for the pix: -
http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/messages/451986/1791814.html?1223997140
llig, I will be sending my girl who turns 2 end of the yr to playgp. Gd to expose them to more learning at this age.
Went for check up ytd noon. BB is fine, weighing at 1.9kg at 32 wks plus. The last check up bb is head down but nw head up. Hmm..
Gynae asked nurse to take my blood pressure manually cos she wanted to cfrm my blood pressure is not on the hi side. She mentioned she had 3 mummies delivered at 33 wks cos of hi blood pressure.
Went for check up ytd noon. BB is fine, weighing at 1.9kg at 32 wks plus. The last check up bb is head down but nw head up. Hmm..
Gynae asked nurse to take my blood pressure manually cos she wanted to cfrm my blood pressure is not on the hi side. She mentioned she had 3 mummies delivered at 33 wks cos of hi blood pressure.
G'morning...
Fabbie..
I too can feel my little girl brushing my ribs.. can be quite painful.. but I usually massage that area and then she'll stop and kick somewhere else... Hahah!! But I dun like it when she's pressing on my pelvis.. Make me wanna go and pee even when there is nothing in my bladder...
llig...
I dun think u have to worry about ur child being accepted..People are becoming more open... For me most of my school days were spent with kids whose heritage were too mixed up to even think about it!! Happens when you come from a convent.. and we got along just fine... In fact I really enjoy the many differences that my frens can offer...
Must have faith in ur parenting/teaching skills.. =)
Fabbie..
I too can feel my little girl brushing my ribs.. can be quite painful.. but I usually massage that area and then she'll stop and kick somewhere else... Hahah!! But I dun like it when she's pressing on my pelvis.. Make me wanna go and pee even when there is nothing in my bladder...
llig...
I dun think u have to worry about ur child being accepted..People are becoming more open... For me most of my school days were spent with kids whose heritage were too mixed up to even think about it!! Happens when you come from a convent.. and we got along just fine... In fact I really enjoy the many differences that my frens can offer...
Must have faith in ur parenting/teaching skills.. =)
i am posting this on behalf of a friend whose baby just turned 6 months old.
These 900gm Enfalac A+ are unopened and their expiry date are in 2010.
wanted to sell off $34.50 each tin. if take more than 2 tins she will sell of at $34/-
self collect : Jurong area
email: [email protected]
These 900gm Enfalac A+ are unopened and their expiry date are in 2010.
wanted to sell off $34.50 each tin. if take more than 2 tins she will sell of at $34/-
self collect : Jurong area
email: [email protected]
Morning gals,
Jabs:
I should be bringing my baby to a PD at Bukit Batok. My son see this PD as well. Will take the jab there also. For my 1st boy i bring him to polyclinc for the Hep B jab. But the nurse like so rough my boy cry like nobody business. This PD is gentle with jab. So far so good. Try to change my boy to the CCK PD but see once nia the med dun work for him. My boy is currently 32mths so far havent bring him to GP yet.
Jabs:
I should be bringing my baby to a PD at Bukit Batok. My son see this PD as well. Will take the jab there also. For my 1st boy i bring him to polyclinc for the Hep B jab. But the nurse like so rough my boy cry like nobody business. This PD is gentle with jab. So far so good. Try to change my boy to the CCK PD but see once nia the med dun work for him. My boy is currently 32mths so far havent bring him to GP yet.
Gerry - i'm concerned coz of pantyliners get yellow n wet often. nm, i have the test at 37 weeks lor... i don't think i will pop that early.
Jazlyn - my hb is my primary school classmate too.
emeraldbride - i see. i worry a lot too, but not really a lot of dreams, just wake up often.
llig - i see. haiz, explain nicely n clearly doesn't help in my case. the free bazaar is actually held in my colleague's fren's house. that fren got a v huge house at Expo area and they can set up 10 booths in the pouch. they publicise through flyer, not certain response will be gd or not. when my colleague is in at work, i can help to ask her if any booth left. it's on coming Sun 19th Oct.
Jazlyn - my hb is my primary school classmate too.
emeraldbride - i see. i worry a lot too, but not really a lot of dreams, just wake up often.
llig - i see. haiz, explain nicely n clearly doesn't help in my case. the free bazaar is actually held in my colleague's fren's house. that fren got a v huge house at Expo area and they can set up 10 booths in the pouch. they publicise through flyer, not certain response will be gd or not. when my colleague is in at work, i can help to ask her if any booth left. it's on coming Sun 19th Oct.
Good morning ladies.. this is the reply i got from the pupsik seller..
"Nice to hear from you again. I just delivered over the weekend and came back from the hospital! =))
Thanks for letting me know about your friend's queries on future BPs for the pouch. I will likely be organising one in November so do ask them to keep a look out! Other sprees like our beansprout pillows (ne designs) also coming up in 1-2 weeks! =))"
llig issit.. but i got the sms reminder thing and no one called me to inform me abt anything leh.. if i go and kena bang i will scream at someone.. coz today i'm home coz i assume i will be given MC!! later no dr see then how??? Blardy TPS.. i call them now!!
"Nice to hear from you again. I just delivered over the weekend and came back from the hospital! =))
Thanks for letting me know about your friend's queries on future BPs for the pouch. I will likely be organising one in November so do ask them to keep a look out! Other sprees like our beansprout pillows (ne designs) also coming up in 1-2 weeks! =))"
llig issit.. but i got the sms reminder thing and no one called me to inform me abt anything leh.. if i go and kena bang i will scream at someone.. coz today i'm home coz i assume i will be given MC!! later no dr see then how??? Blardy TPS.. i call them now!!
fabbie
Active Member
Sam..
Why your daughter born with curl hairs meaning fling with postman? all postman in states have curl hair? Lolx
Reddates
Yeah.. same here.. baby is like playing guitar inside our tummy!! If you cant eat.. at least eat abit something that you like ba. I do feel like vomiting at times and no appetite. but after a while will be okai le.
Gerry
For me i dun like she playing with my ribs and pressing on my pelvis. hard to walk lar.. haiz..
Btw. i felt my below quite pain is not the pelvis is my skin! aiyo. i think is stretching!?! i wash with soap i can feel its burning. I mean i feel my skin is tearing.. do you all have experience?
Why your daughter born with curl hairs meaning fling with postman? all postman in states have curl hair? Lolx
Reddates
Yeah.. same here.. baby is like playing guitar inside our tummy!! If you cant eat.. at least eat abit something that you like ba. I do feel like vomiting at times and no appetite. but after a while will be okai le.
Gerry
For me i dun like she playing with my ribs and pressing on my pelvis. hard to walk lar.. haiz..
Btw. i felt my below quite pain is not the pelvis is my skin! aiyo. i think is stretching!?! i wash with soap i can feel its burning. I mean i feel my skin is tearing.. do you all have experience?
wah.. i called TPS to ask them they told me that my appt has been changed to 21st.. then i started screaming at them telling them no one informed me! then i said i even got a sms reminder for my today's appt..
well.. then the girl went to ask her head nurse or whoever la.. then the other person say can come..
i asked who will be seeing me.. they say Dr hendricks.. so i told them if i make my way there and she is not seeing me they just watch out and see what kind of scene i will create!!
i even ask the girl why i bother paying so much for such crap!!!
angry liao!!! terrible!! i will lodge a complain to their business centre!!! totally not acceptable lor!!
well.. then the girl went to ask her head nurse or whoever la.. then the other person say can come..
i asked who will be seeing me.. they say Dr hendricks.. so i told them if i make my way there and she is not seeing me they just watch out and see what kind of scene i will create!!
i even ask the girl why i bother paying so much for such crap!!!
angry liao!!! terrible!! i will lodge a complain to their business centre!!! totally not acceptable lor!!
winnie171175
Member
Am looking around for resale flat near mine mom as she will be taking care of baby.
Just that we saw this beautiful flat which is quite nice but of low floor. The couple stay there for about 3 yrs only. There is a 2yr+ kid. Was so sad cos I think the wife has pass away.
Just want to share.
Just that we saw this beautiful flat which is quite nice but of low floor. The couple stay there for about 3 yrs only. There is a 2yr+ kid. Was so sad cos I think the wife has pass away.
Just want to share.
snowymum
Well-Known Member
Thanks Phyl! Me go n ask my colleagues who hv kids. Maybe should ask my hubby go donate blood liao...*Haha* Me scared of those big needles lah!
Fabbie,
got wierd discharge or not? If got maybe is infection? Else it could be abrasion lah...
Adelchia,
2 more days to seeing gynae!!! *Never been so excited to spend money seeing doc manz!* You got any qns for doc? I can ask tis saturday!
Fabbie,
got wierd discharge or not? If got maybe is infection? Else it could be abrasion lah...
Adelchia,
2 more days to seeing gynae!!! *Never been so excited to spend money seeing doc manz!* You got any qns for doc? I can ask tis saturday!
fabbie
Active Member
snowger dun have weird discharge leh. but is like skin is burning. feel like tearing. i touch it. its very painful lor.. is not inner skin. is outside skins are burning and feel like tearing de... whats abrasion?
phyl relax relax.. btw. whats TPS? which gynea is they are from. sounds so jialet de.
phyl relax relax.. btw. whats TPS? which gynea is they are from. sounds so jialet de.
fabbie,
actually KKH have quite a few good and nice doc. Just that the service there not very good lar.
I give birth to my No 1 at KKH. That time service was good maybe cos i stay 1 bedded and give birth on the 7th day of CNY. So can see that all the nurse like good mood like that.
actually KKH have quite a few good and nice doc. Just that the service there not very good lar.
I give birth to my No 1 at KKH. That time service was good maybe cos i stay 1 bedded and give birth on the 7th day of CNY. So can see that all the nurse like good mood like that.
emeraldbride
New Member
fabbie, go see a doctor? Sounds serious leh..dun play play hor..
phyl, did u visit her blog? i tink is pupsikstudio.blogspot.com. This lady's tummy very big leh.. hehehe, but her first daughter is very very pretty.. i read it yesterday!!
going to suntec later!!! Hehehe, now still tinking wat to eat for lunch..
phyl, did u visit her blog? i tink is pupsikstudio.blogspot.com. This lady's tummy very big leh.. hehehe, but her first daughter is very very pretty.. i read it yesterday!!
going to suntec later!!! Hehehe, now still tinking wat to eat for lunch..
Phy: Hopefully Dr. Hendricks is really there to see you. If not, i think you have a right to kick a fuss! Imagine you taking leave & going all the way to KKH & cannot see your gynae. Rubbish!
Llig: Don't worry...people are now very accepting of mixed kids. Personally, i find them very fascinating cos they have ancestors from many different races/countries!
Fabbie: I have this feeling too but when i don't walk or stand so much it goes away. My gynae said it's water retention. Do you use pantiliners?
2nd baby: Are you out for PSLE marking? You posted so early this morning!!! Hee...
Llig: Don't worry...people are now very accepting of mixed kids. Personally, i find them very fascinating cos they have ancestors from many different races/countries!
Fabbie: I have this feeling too but when i don't walk or stand so much it goes away. My gynae said it's water retention. Do you use pantiliners?
2nd baby: Are you out for PSLE marking? You posted so early this morning!!! Hee...
fabbie
Active Member
phyl
Oh.. then must scold lar. or complain to the gynea. or get the gynea's hp number. just to double confirm. =)
Jappoh
we cannot do anything about it man.. =( maybe put lotion lor
Emeraldbride
doc say its normal. cus its stretches your skin. but sometimes i feel my skin is burning. it the outter area. maybe later i go home i put some lotion ba. cus i can feel its tearing and expanding lor. Eh.. i tout u going for 4D scan? where's your video i wan to see! hehe Tout ya hubbie going to give u for a present is it?
Pris
Ya got pain killers but i dun wan.. is better not to take lor. just bear with it. maybe will put some lotion to smooth the skin or maybe sketch marks lotion? LOLX
Today so blur sia. i eat my usual medicine everyy morning at work. then later i go refill water come back. i forget which med that i just ate. -__- so in the end i eat again. Hope i didnt eat twice of my foil acid and iron pills. =S
Oh.. then must scold lar. or complain to the gynea. or get the gynea's hp number. just to double confirm. =)
Jappoh
we cannot do anything about it man.. =( maybe put lotion lor
Emeraldbride
doc say its normal. cus its stretches your skin. but sometimes i feel my skin is burning. it the outter area. maybe later i go home i put some lotion ba. cus i can feel its tearing and expanding lor. Eh.. i tout u going for 4D scan? where's your video i wan to see! hehe Tout ya hubbie going to give u for a present is it?
Pris
Ya got pain killers but i dun wan.. is better not to take lor. just bear with it. maybe will put some lotion to smooth the skin or maybe sketch marks lotion? LOLX
Today so blur sia. i eat my usual medicine everyy morning at work. then later i go refill water come back. i forget which med that i just ate. -__- so in the end i eat again. Hope i didnt eat twice of my foil acid and iron pills. =S
snowymum
Well-Known Member
tonnies23,
Hehe... Heard Eunice Chan is good! My colleague's wife is seeing her. My appt is 9am, urs?
Fabbie,
Seems like Lovelangel just gave u a medical reason for the pain... Dun anyhow put stuff below there uh. But I did hear that olive oil is ok. Some pple use it to massage the "skin" there to prevent epi...
Hehe... Heard Eunice Chan is good! My colleague's wife is seeing her. My appt is 9am, urs?
Fabbie,
Seems like Lovelangel just gave u a medical reason for the pain... Dun anyhow put stuff below there uh. But I did hear that olive oil is ok. Some pple use it to massage the "skin" there to prevent epi...
