Support Group - Endometriosis and Fibroids.
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hopeformiracle
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Beary,
My last jab is schedule on 10 Dec, after that I also don't know what will happen to me. Haiz...my Gynae want me to get preggy asap but I find this vision very far and almost impossible for me to reach.
My last jab is schedule on 10 Dec, after that I also don't know what will happen to me. Haiz...my Gynae want me to get preggy asap but I find this vision very far and almost impossible for me to reach.
hopeformiracle
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Hi Riushiki
No side effect at all, except when I get nervous/excited I will have hot flash haha. I sleep well at night and no headache. Most of the women will have all these side effect when they are on jabs but mine won't because my gynae very good, he gave me some kind of little blue pill to take everyday to balance my hormone.
No side effect at all, except when I get nervous/excited I will have hot flash haha. I sleep well at night and no headache. Most of the women will have all these side effect when they are on jabs but mine won't because my gynae very good, he gave me some kind of little blue pill to take everyday to balance my hormone.
Hi Hopeformiracle
My last jab was on 3 Oct. Like you, I do not have any side effects except that I am extremely tired and sleepy. You are right, how to get preggy immediately after the jab, getting preggy is just like striking first prize in the lottery..
Riushiki
Don't worry, not everyone will get the side-effects. If you are afraid of the side-effects, ask your gynae for the add-back theraphy which will prevent the side-effects just like what hopeformiracle's gynae has given her...
My last jab was on 3 Oct. Like you, I do not have any side effects except that I am extremely tired and sleepy. You are right, how to get preggy immediately after the jab, getting preggy is just like striking first prize in the lottery..
Riushiki
Don't worry, not everyone will get the side-effects. If you are afraid of the side-effects, ask your gynae for the add-back theraphy which will prevent the side-effects just like what hopeformiracle's gynae has given her...
hopeformiracle
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Hi Beary,
Yours is 3 Oct 2005? or 2004? After that how long your AF return? Gynae give any med to induce? Then after that your pain come back? How bad? Even without AF also pain? What kind of feeling/pain like? Sorry ah, ask so many things but just want to know and share.
Yours is 3 Oct 2005? or 2004? After that how long your AF return? Gynae give any med to induce? Then after that your pain come back? How bad? Even without AF also pain? What kind of feeling/pain like? Sorry ah, ask so many things but just want to know and share.
Hi Hopeformiracle
Its ok.. we are here to share and support one another..
Last jab was on 3 Oct 05.. AF came 2wks after the last jab tat is on 17 Oct 05. I still have the daily cramps even though I am on the jabs and even without AF. The pain is sometimes like pulling, sometimes its sharp and sometimes its nagging and sometimes its like stabbing pain.. Sometimes it could be so painful tat I cannot stand up and need to squat down for at least 10mins.. Sometimes I need to curl up in bed for at least 30mins before the pain subside.. The funny thing is that whenever I have a very bad cramp attack, I will get spotting/bleeding.. Do not understand why.. and the pain could be on left side, right side or centre of lower abd... or the entire lower abd... How about yours??
Its ok.. we are here to share and support one another..
hopeformiracle
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Hi Beary,
I am so puzzled, why your AF come back so fast? Usually without inducing it, it comes back like 3 months later, if you induce it, it comes back at least 1 month later.
Wei, your case sound very very serious leh. Hope your gynae is following up closely. You know, I nearly die, for my 1 op, my AF return on Oct 2004, then i start to have everyday pain like what u have mentioned but mine always on left side. I ignore it cos I don't believe endo will come back so fast (but during jab and menopause, no pain at all). So painful until at night I couldn't sleep at all!! Then till April 04, I start to vomit (everyday have diarraeh syptom) and I was sent to GE and had my 2nd op immediately. My 1st gynae didn't remove my endo cos he didn't suspect is endo that time. No jab and 1 month later, pain come back. Then I look for 2nd gynae and told me it is endo and do the 3rd op for me. This time is open abdonimial and he remove the endo. Til now still on jab.
Yours so strange, during jab still pain? didn't he manage to remove endo completely (the root cannot remove) and from Oct to Nov 05, so fast detect endo return and need op in Feb? How big?
I am so puzzled, why your AF come back so fast? Usually without inducing it, it comes back like 3 months later, if you induce it, it comes back at least 1 month later.
Wei, your case sound very very serious leh. Hope your gynae is following up closely. You know, I nearly die, for my 1 op, my AF return on Oct 2004, then i start to have everyday pain like what u have mentioned but mine always on left side. I ignore it cos I don't believe endo will come back so fast (but during jab and menopause, no pain at all). So painful until at night I couldn't sleep at all!! Then till April 04, I start to vomit (everyday have diarraeh syptom) and I was sent to GE and had my 2nd op immediately. My 1st gynae didn't remove my endo cos he didn't suspect is endo that time. No jab and 1 month later, pain come back. Then I look for 2nd gynae and told me it is endo and do the 3rd op for me. This time is open abdonimial and he remove the endo. Til now still on jab.
Yours so strange, during jab still pain? didn't he manage to remove endo completely (the root cannot remove) and from Oct to Nov 05, so fast detect endo return and need op in Feb? How big?
Hi hopeformiracle
Aiyo, thank GOD you are now ok...
I had my op in oct 04 which according to my gynae is quite a complicated surgery which requires 2 surgeons. After the op, my gynae never gave me any jabs at all to stop the endo from returning. One mth after the op, I started having daily cramps and my lower abd is always bloated or swollen. Had a scan done in May 05 and it showed that I have recurrent bilateral endo cysts and endometrosis.. Its only during May review that he put me on hormone jabs.. But its useless cos I still have AF and cramps daily and my AF can drag on to 22 days and spotting every now and then...
All this time, my gynae tried not embark on the topic of surgery because of my first complicated op. He only mentioned the 2nd op when the jabs failed to work for me. He also did mentioned to me that should the 2nd op next year failed to stop the pain and growth, then he has no other option but to suggest TH.
Not only you are puzzled as to why I am still have AF and pain when I am on the jabs, my gynae is equally puzzled..
Frankly speaking, I also don't know what is going on inside me..
Aiyo, thank GOD you are now ok...
I had my op in oct 04 which according to my gynae is quite a complicated surgery which requires 2 surgeons. After the op, my gynae never gave me any jabs at all to stop the endo from returning. One mth after the op, I started having daily cramps and my lower abd is always bloated or swollen. Had a scan done in May 05 and it showed that I have recurrent bilateral endo cysts and endometrosis.. Its only during May review that he put me on hormone jabs.. But its useless cos I still have AF and cramps daily and my AF can drag on to 22 days and spotting every now and then...
All this time, my gynae tried not embark on the topic of surgery because of my first complicated op. He only mentioned the 2nd op when the jabs failed to work for me. He also did mentioned to me that should the 2nd op next year failed to stop the pain and growth, then he has no other option but to suggest TH.
Not only you are puzzled as to why I am still have AF and pain when I am on the jabs, my gynae is equally puzzled..
Frankly speaking, I also don't know what is going on inside me..
hopeformiracle
New Member
Beary,
Seem like we are very very similar hor.
The jab come too late, should have done it after op. So for the time being, wait until Feb and do another op and hopefully this time to put you on jab immediately. What is TH? Is it to remove the womb? Me too, if it recur again next yr, I will have to remove it. Which mean no bb for me lor. What to do, that's my life.
Seem like we are very very similar hor.
The jab come too late, should have done it after op. So for the time being, wait until Feb and do another op and hopefully this time to put you on jab immediately. What is TH? Is it to remove the womb? Me too, if it recur again next yr, I will have to remove it. Which mean no bb for me lor. What to do, that's my life.
hopeformiracle
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Beary,
Btw, how old r u? I am 27 will be 28 in March.
I agreed with you, all this is fated but what I can say is don't give out lor untl TH.
Btw, how old r u? I am 27 will be 28 in March.
I agreed with you, all this is fated but what I can say is don't give out lor untl TH.
Hopeformiracle
wah u so young, so u better don't give up and continue to fight on, I will give you my upmost morale support...
I am already 42 and I won't give in till there is really really no options....I will do whatever I can to give one offspring for my hb cos he loves children...
wah u so young, so u better don't give up and continue to fight on, I will give you my upmost morale support...
I am already 42 and I won't give in till there is really really no options....I will do whatever I can to give one offspring for my hb cos he loves children...
hopeformiracle
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Beary,
Haiz, that's the problem!! I haven't reach 30 and i have all these problem.
Haiz, that's the problem!! I haven't reach 30 and i have all these problem.
hopeformiracle
New Member
Beary,
I really admire your courage. My exboss, she gave birth at the age of 42 too.
Riushiki,
It depend on you. If for me, i will go for the jab, to temporary stop AF to clean my inside. I don't really believe in chinese doc. I want to see scientific proof. Both method also cannot solve the root cause.
I really admire your courage. My exboss, she gave birth at the age of 42 too.
Riushiki,
It depend on you. If for me, i will go for the jab, to temporary stop AF to clean my inside. I don't really believe in chinese doc. I want to see scientific proof. Both method also cannot solve the root cause.
riushiki
Its the same with me..very skeptical of the jabs because of side-effects and I am one person who is super fast to get side-effects from medications..But its funny that when I have the jabs, I do not suffer any side-effects except that I am extremely tired and sleepy... So don't be afraid, go for it or you ask you gynae for add-back theraphy which will stop all side-effects from the jab..
Its the same with me..very skeptical of the jabs because of side-effects and I am one person who is super fast to get side-effects from medications..But its funny that when I have the jabs, I do not suffer any side-effects except that I am extremely tired and sleepy... So don't be afraid, go for it or you ask you gynae for add-back theraphy which will stop all side-effects from the jab..
hopeformiracle
New Member
Hi Beary,
Just curious? Both you and ur HB married late is it? Or u have been ttc for many years and unsuccessful. Ever tried other method of ttc?
Just curious? Both you and ur HB married late is it? Or u have been ttc for many years and unsuccessful. Ever tried other method of ttc?
Hi Gals
New Cure for Endometriosis
Press release:
20th Annual Meeting of the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology, June 27-30, 2004 in Berlin, Germany
Endometriosis: could angiostatic therapy be the new treatment of the future?
Berlin, Germany: Chemicals that inhibit the development of new blood vessels could prove to be a new way of treating endometriosis, according to research from The Netherlands and the USA presented today (Monday 28 June) at the 20th annual meeting of the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology.
However, the researchers warned that the work is still at an early stage, with the current investigations taking place in mice, so it would be a few years before the findings could translate into improved treatments for women with the disease.
Endometriosis is a disease of the lining tissue of the womb. It can be very painful and can have a serious impact on the lives of women. At present, there is no satisfactory treatment or cure for the condition, which affects between 10-25% of women of reproductive age1.
Annemiek Nap, a doctor at the University Hospital Maastricht, The Netherlands, told the conference that she and her colleagues tested whether angiostatic therapy (therapy that inhibits the development of blood vessels) could prevent new endometriosis lesions growing and whether it could interfere with the maintenance and growth of existing lesions.
They used four angiostatic compounds: anti-human vascular endothelial growth factor (anti-hVGF), TNP-470, endostatin and anginex. They tested the compounds on human endometrium that had been transplanted into 49 mice and allowed to grow into endometriotic lesions. We thought that using human endometrium would make the model as close to the human situation as possible, said Ms Nap.
We found that angiostatic therapy inhibits the number of newly developed blood vessels around lesions. However, the mature vessels, which are protected by smooth muscle cells, were not inhibited. We also observed that the number of endometriotic lesions in mice treated with angiostatic agents was lower than the number of endometriotic lesions in mice not treated with angiostatic agents.
The most effective of the four angiostatic compounds was endostatin. It is not completely obvious why this is the case, but one explanation might be that endostatin inhibits the migration of the endothelial2 cells more than the proliferation, said Ms Nap.
Her findings mean that angiostatic therapy could be useful as an adjuvant treatment for endometriosis. Angiostatic therapy mainly inhibits the development of new vessels. However, it also interferes effectively with the maintenance and growth of endometriotic lesions, and thus may be a promising way of preventing the recurrence of endometriosis after surgical or hormonal therapy. Once endometriosis is diagnosed, a woman could have angiostatic therapy to prevent more lesions forming or the existing ones growing, and then after surgery, the therapy could be continued to prevent a recurrence.
Dr Christian Becker, a postdoctoral research fellow in the Department of Vascular Biology at the Childrens Hospital, Boston, USA, and an obstetrician/gynaecologist at the Charit-Campus Benjamin Franklin in Berlin, tested the effect of endostatin on mouse endometriosis (i.e. on mouse endometrium, rather than human endometrium transplanted to mice). He found that endostatin halved the growth and numbers of endometriosis lesions. Also, the extent of the disease in terms of millimetres squared was significantly smaller in the endostatin group compared to the control group, with 1.1 mm2 versus 5.2 mm2 in one group, and 3.2mm2 versus 6.1mm2 in the other group.
Importantly, he found that endostatin did not have any side effects, and in particular it did not affect the hormone levels and menstrual cycles of the mice.
This may be clinically relevant as current therapy for endometriosis is aimed at suppressing the patients hormones. For women who do not want to become pregnant this may not be a big problem, but as infertility is often connected to endometriosis it is problematic to suppress the patients hormones, either by giving an oral contraceptive pill or gonadotrophin releasing hormone (GnRH) analogues. These patients definitely will not be able to conceive under that medication. With endostatin, however, it would be possible to become pregnant.
Results from this study show, that as endometriosis is an angiogenesis-dependent disease, treatment with endostatin may present a new and safe therapeutic approach.
Dr Becker said that it might be necessary to study endostatin in animals that are better models for humans than mice. However, because endostatin has completed early phase 1 trials for the treatment of cancer, there are data available on its toxicity in humans. I believe it should be possible to try endostatin in endometriosis patients in the foreseeable future.
So far, medical treatment for endometriosis is highly unsatisfactory, due to strong side-effects and a high rate of recurrence. It is, therefore, imperative to find a new therapeutic strategy. Endostatin or other angiogenesis inhibitors could be one of these approaches.
Abstract nos: O-027 (Nap) and O-028 (Becker) (Monday 10.00 & 10.15 hrs CET, Hall 3)
Notes
Incidence figures are approximate as no-one is sure exactly how many women are affected by the disease because a correct diagnosis is difficult and the condition is often missed by doctors.
The endothelial cells are the cells that line the blood vessels, the heart and some of the body cavities.
New Cure for Endometriosis
Press release:
20th Annual Meeting of the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology, June 27-30, 2004 in Berlin, Germany
Endometriosis: could angiostatic therapy be the new treatment of the future?
Berlin, Germany: Chemicals that inhibit the development of new blood vessels could prove to be a new way of treating endometriosis, according to research from The Netherlands and the USA presented today (Monday 28 June) at the 20th annual meeting of the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology.
However, the researchers warned that the work is still at an early stage, with the current investigations taking place in mice, so it would be a few years before the findings could translate into improved treatments for women with the disease.
Endometriosis is a disease of the lining tissue of the womb. It can be very painful and can have a serious impact on the lives of women. At present, there is no satisfactory treatment or cure for the condition, which affects between 10-25% of women of reproductive age1.
Annemiek Nap, a doctor at the University Hospital Maastricht, The Netherlands, told the conference that she and her colleagues tested whether angiostatic therapy (therapy that inhibits the development of blood vessels) could prevent new endometriosis lesions growing and whether it could interfere with the maintenance and growth of existing lesions.
They used four angiostatic compounds: anti-human vascular endothelial growth factor (anti-hVGF), TNP-470, endostatin and anginex. They tested the compounds on human endometrium that had been transplanted into 49 mice and allowed to grow into endometriotic lesions. We thought that using human endometrium would make the model as close to the human situation as possible, said Ms Nap.
We found that angiostatic therapy inhibits the number of newly developed blood vessels around lesions. However, the mature vessels, which are protected by smooth muscle cells, were not inhibited. We also observed that the number of endometriotic lesions in mice treated with angiostatic agents was lower than the number of endometriotic lesions in mice not treated with angiostatic agents.
The most effective of the four angiostatic compounds was endostatin. It is not completely obvious why this is the case, but one explanation might be that endostatin inhibits the migration of the endothelial2 cells more than the proliferation, said Ms Nap.
Her findings mean that angiostatic therapy could be useful as an adjuvant treatment for endometriosis. Angiostatic therapy mainly inhibits the development of new vessels. However, it also interferes effectively with the maintenance and growth of endometriotic lesions, and thus may be a promising way of preventing the recurrence of endometriosis after surgical or hormonal therapy. Once endometriosis is diagnosed, a woman could have angiostatic therapy to prevent more lesions forming or the existing ones growing, and then after surgery, the therapy could be continued to prevent a recurrence.
Dr Christian Becker, a postdoctoral research fellow in the Department of Vascular Biology at the Childrens Hospital, Boston, USA, and an obstetrician/gynaecologist at the Charit-Campus Benjamin Franklin in Berlin, tested the effect of endostatin on mouse endometriosis (i.e. on mouse endometrium, rather than human endometrium transplanted to mice). He found that endostatin halved the growth and numbers of endometriosis lesions. Also, the extent of the disease in terms of millimetres squared was significantly smaller in the endostatin group compared to the control group, with 1.1 mm2 versus 5.2 mm2 in one group, and 3.2mm2 versus 6.1mm2 in the other group.
Importantly, he found that endostatin did not have any side effects, and in particular it did not affect the hormone levels and menstrual cycles of the mice.
This may be clinically relevant as current therapy for endometriosis is aimed at suppressing the patients hormones. For women who do not want to become pregnant this may not be a big problem, but as infertility is often connected to endometriosis it is problematic to suppress the patients hormones, either by giving an oral contraceptive pill or gonadotrophin releasing hormone (GnRH) analogues. These patients definitely will not be able to conceive under that medication. With endostatin, however, it would be possible to become pregnant.
Results from this study show, that as endometriosis is an angiogenesis-dependent disease, treatment with endostatin may present a new and safe therapeutic approach.
Dr Becker said that it might be necessary to study endostatin in animals that are better models for humans than mice. However, because endostatin has completed early phase 1 trials for the treatment of cancer, there are data available on its toxicity in humans. I believe it should be possible to try endostatin in endometriosis patients in the foreseeable future.
So far, medical treatment for endometriosis is highly unsatisfactory, due to strong side-effects and a high rate of recurrence. It is, therefore, imperative to find a new therapeutic strategy. Endostatin or other angiogenesis inhibitors could be one of these approaches.
Abstract nos: O-027 (Nap) and O-028 (Becker) (Monday 10.00 & 10.15 hrs CET, Hall 3)
Notes
Incidence figures are approximate as no-one is sure exactly how many women are affected by the disease because a correct diagnosis is difficult and the condition is often missed by doctors.
The endothelial cells are the cells that line the blood vessels, the heart and some of the body cavities.
Hi Hopeformiracle
Yes, we married late. We have been TTC since 2003 and in 2004 discovered that I have bilateral endo cysts and the adenomyoma..
Riushiki
The jab is to prevent recurrent. There are 2 types of jabs. One is given on monthly basis and the other one is given every 3 months. I choose the monthly jab so that I can stop anytime instead of having to wait till 3 months later. Why don't you check with your gynae as to whether you can proceed to TTC first?
Yes, we married late. We have been TTC since 2003 and in 2004 discovered that I have bilateral endo cysts and the adenomyoma..
Riushiki
The jab is to prevent recurrent. There are 2 types of jabs. One is given on monthly basis and the other one is given every 3 months. I choose the monthly jab so that I can stop anytime instead of having to wait till 3 months later. Why don't you check with your gynae as to whether you can proceed to TTC first?
happysunflower
New Member
Hi hopeformiracle,
I was reading through the thread. It reminded me that my gynae guarantee me that there will be no side effects if I opt for the jabs... haha... That time, I read and read everywhere saying that there will be side effects. He was not very happy when I asked him if I will grow fat. hahaha... that was the main side effect I was worried about when I was considering. He guaranteed me I wun grow fat... vain hor? kekeke...
I do agree that the gynae gotta be good too to prescribe the right dose for hormone replacement during the jabs to prevent the side effects... cos if not properly managed, the side effects can be quite bad...
Everytime I see gynae after I rejected the jabs, he will ask me whether I preggy... hahaha... that time, I was not very sure if I want a baby. He very pro-family.
After the treatment under your gynae, getting preggy will not be too far to reach already
Beleive in yourself
Jia you!
Hi Riushiki,
Thank you for sharing the information.
I had fibroids and endo. I did not opt for the jabs
. Before I knew I have endo, I only had bearable pain during menses. I dunno whether I should regard that as pain, cos I thought endo pain during menses is usually unbearable. I still can continue working though...
I remember my gynae told me that my endo is at the stage not to be left untreated. But I still cannot imagine how bad it is...
One of the reason I rejected the jabs cos I dun like injections... kekeke... Another consideration was my cousin had cyst and took the jabs. Immediately after the treatment, the cyst grew back to original size. So there's no guarantee that the endo will not grow back... And considering the cost too, I rejected my gynae's recommendation... But I am taking a risk... My gynae said without taking the jabs, my condition might make a come back sooner, which I am hoping not.
Hi Beary,
Hope your TCM treatment will make your wish come true soon
Jia you!
I was reading through the thread. It reminded me that my gynae guarantee me that there will be no side effects if I opt for the jabs... haha... That time, I read and read everywhere saying that there will be side effects. He was not very happy when I asked him if I will grow fat. hahaha... that was the main side effect I was worried about when I was considering. He guaranteed me I wun grow fat... vain hor? kekeke...
I do agree that the gynae gotta be good too to prescribe the right dose for hormone replacement during the jabs to prevent the side effects... cos if not properly managed, the side effects can be quite bad...
Everytime I see gynae after I rejected the jabs, he will ask me whether I preggy... hahaha... that time, I was not very sure if I want a baby. He very pro-family.
After the treatment under your gynae, getting preggy will not be too far to reach already
Hi Riushiki,
Thank you for sharing the information.
I had fibroids and endo. I did not opt for the jabs
I remember my gynae told me that my endo is at the stage not to be left untreated. But I still cannot imagine how bad it is...
One of the reason I rejected the jabs cos I dun like injections... kekeke... Another consideration was my cousin had cyst and took the jabs. Immediately after the treatment, the cyst grew back to original size. So there's no guarantee that the endo will not grow back... And considering the cost too, I rejected my gynae's recommendation...
But I am taking a risk... My gynae said without taking the jabs, my condition might make a come back sooner, which I am hoping not. Hi Beary,
Hope your TCM treatment will make your wish come true soon
hopeformiracle
New Member
Lyn,
Me too very vain. Now I put on little weight already and I start to diet liao hopefully can go slimmer. hehe...
Me too very vain. Now I put on little weight already and I start to diet liao hopefully can go slimmer. hehe...
Hi Giggler
Aiyo... how com lidat.. I stopped going to the one in chin swee rd because she said that she is going to do me more harm than good when i informed her that I have stage 3 endo when she requested for the information. So now I left with only Tampines TCM, more for accupunture to relieve my daily cramps.. It works initially but the effects is wearing off.... The only TCM med that works for me is Chung Hwa, after taking the med, my cysts disappeared...So now I am left with only one option, that is to see my gynae again in Feb 06 to schedule for another op unless I go for another opnion in SGH....
Aiyo... how com lidat.. I stopped going to the one in chin swee rd because she said that she is going to do me more harm than good when i informed her that I have stage 3 endo when she requested for the information. So now I left with only Tampines TCM, more for accupunture to relieve my daily cramps.. It works initially but the effects is wearing off.... The only TCM med that works for me is Chung Hwa, after taking the med, my cysts disappeared...So now I am left with only one option, that is to see my gynae again in Feb 06 to schedule for another op unless I go for another opnion in SGH....
Hi All
Just went to remove the plasters at my gynae. He suggested 5 months of Lucrin hormone treatment :x :x
I very confused !! Should I go or should I not go on it ??
He said chances of recurring is 90% w/o HRT :x
Please advise me urgently. So depressing
I am so scare of the side effects ... he said so far the most common side effect is hot flashes. The rest are not so common :x
Just went to remove the plasters at my gynae. He suggested 5 months of Lucrin hormone treatment :x :x
I very confused !! Should I go or should I not go on it ??
He said chances of recurring is 90% w/o HRT :x
Please advise me urgently. So depressing
Hi Riushiki
Your gynae is right... I got recurrent because after the op, I did not have the jabs.
If you are scared, go for the one month jab and see whether you can take the side-effects. I am also on Lucrin but I take the monthly jabs just in case I cannot take the side-effects. Luckily for me, I do not have anyhot flushes, I only feel extremely tired and sleepy.
Don't be depressed... Tell your gynae you want to try one month first before going for the 3 months jab. Price wise, its the same for both jabs... Hope this will help you to decide...
Your gynae is right... I got recurrent because after the op, I did not have the jabs.
If you are scared, go for the one month jab and see whether you can take the side-effects. I am also on Lucrin but I take the monthly jabs just in case I cannot take the side-effects. Luckily for me, I do not have anyhot flushes, I only feel extremely tired and sleepy.
Don't be depressed... Tell your gynae you want to try one month first before going for the 3 months jab. Price wise, its the same for both jabs... Hope this will help you to decide...
S
sad heart
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Hi Riushiki,
Did your gynae suggest u to quickly conceive 1st and not go for the jabs? I also hv endometriosis. Juz done lap to remove most of it. My gynae also suggested to go for jabs. But I thot since endo will still back, I went to see a fertility specialist instead. This fertility specialist told me that women with endo problem, best is to quickly conceive. Complete your 'family tree' 1st. Give birth 1st then after that if really complete the 'family tree', then no worries abt cannot get pregnant. By then, take some contraceptive pills to control the endo from growing back.
But no 100% sure that endo will not come back. Still hv to monitor regularly. And then wait for menopause to come lor....
This fertility specialist suggested to me to do SO-IUI, charges + blood test etc all in will cost abt $3k plus. I dun have so much money to do such procedure. Furthermore if 1st attempt nvr strike, then I've to spend another $3K again?!! So I'm now thinking and wondering if I get referral to KK and ask abt SO-IUI...wonder will it be cheaper or not.
Sigh....I can understand how depressed you are. Cos I'm as depressed as you! These few mths I'm also seeing lots of gynae abt my endo condition and some said go for jabs. While some said can dun jab, quickly conceive. So I very confused.
Did your gynae suggest u to quickly conceive 1st and not go for the jabs? I also hv endometriosis. Juz done lap to remove most of it. My gynae also suggested to go for jabs. But I thot since endo will still back, I went to see a fertility specialist instead. This fertility specialist told me that women with endo problem, best is to quickly conceive. Complete your 'family tree' 1st. Give birth 1st then after that if really complete the 'family tree', then no worries abt cannot get pregnant. By then, take some contraceptive pills to control the endo from growing back.
But no 100% sure that endo will not come back. Still hv to monitor regularly. And then wait for menopause to come lor....
This fertility specialist suggested to me to do SO-IUI, charges + blood test etc all in will cost abt $3k plus. I dun have so much money to do such procedure. Furthermore if 1st attempt nvr strike, then I've to spend another $3K again?!! So I'm now thinking and wondering if I get referral to KK and ask abt SO-IUI...wonder will it be cheaper or not.
Sigh....I can understand how depressed you are. Cos I'm as depressed as you! These few mths I'm also seeing lots of gynae abt my endo condition and some said go for jabs. While some said can dun jab, quickly conceive. So I very confused.
Hi Sad Heart
Cheer up and be positive..
The jabs are to suppressed the recurrent of endometrosis. Every gynae has his or her own protocols of treatment. I have seen 4 different beside my own and all have different views and treatment for endometrosis. Some will say go for the jabs and once the endo has been suppressed, try to conceive within 3 months before it grows back. Some will say try to conceive as soon as possible since now the endo has been cleared. I will say this is rather confusing for us patients.. The choice is totally up to you. With or without the jabs, endo will recur again.
I am one that did not have the jabs after my op and within 6 months, I have recurrent bilateral endo cysts and my endo is now classified as stage 3 with dense adhesions..
If you can to conceive fast, go policyclinc, get a referral letter to KKH Reproductive Medicine Dept for SO-IUI which should be cheaper than pte gynae. I was told that CARE at Paragon charges $1.5k for IUI. Why don't you give them a call and check out their charges.
Hope the information helps.. Relax, Stay Cool and Smile..
Cheer up and be positive..
The jabs are to suppressed the recurrent of endometrosis. Every gynae has his or her own protocols of treatment. I have seen 4 different beside my own and all have different views and treatment for endometrosis. Some will say go for the jabs and once the endo has been suppressed, try to conceive within 3 months before it grows back. Some will say try to conceive as soon as possible since now the endo has been cleared. I will say this is rather confusing for us patients.. The choice is totally up to you. With or without the jabs, endo will recur again.
I am one that did not have the jabs after my op and within 6 months, I have recurrent bilateral endo cysts and my endo is now classified as stage 3 with dense adhesions..
If you can to conceive fast, go policyclinc, get a referral letter to KKH Reproductive Medicine Dept for SO-IUI which should be cheaper than pte gynae. I was told that CARE at Paragon charges $1.5k for IUI. Why don't you give them a call and check out their charges.
Hope the information helps.. Relax, Stay Cool and Smile..
sad heart, my gynae gave me the same advice as your fertility specialist. That is, try to get conceive now and complete my family tree. Then take birth control pills to control the endo. So now, we just leave it to God to see when we'll have kid lah. But so far, no news yet.
happysunflower
New Member
Hi Riushiki,
Wah... I did not know the chances of recuring is so high. My gynae only told me within 3-5 years, but no guarantee when.
You gotta make the decision. It's best if you do some reading up to get a more informed decision
. Or go for a second opinion
. There are a number of books in the national library whick you can have a read
Even with the jabs, there's no guarantee the condition will not come back. My cousin's blood cyst grew back within a month after the jab. So I chose not to go for it though my gynae asked me a few times.
Some information: http://www.endometriosis.org/gnrh.html
Wah... I did not know the chances of recuring is so high. My gynae only told me within 3-5 years, but no guarantee when.
You gotta make the decision. It's best if you do some reading up to get a more informed decision
Even with the jabs, there's no guarantee the condition will not come back. My cousin's blood cyst grew back within a month after the jab. So I chose not to go for it though my gynae asked me a few times.
Some information: http://www.endometriosis.org/gnrh.html
Hi All
I think my gynae is too optimistic about usage of lurcin lah. If it's really 90%, then it's like a cure for endo already ? :x
I went to see Xia Rong too .. from Yu Ren Sheng. TCM also has something like hormone therapy, the effect is slower but at the same time you can try for a baby
Think I will stick to TCM first, then try to pop up a miracle baby !!! ha ha ha
She told me "U try first. Coz not all endo patients cannot get preggy. The ratio is 40% for not able to get preggy and 60% to get preggy."
So guess have to work 'very hard' now ha ha ha
I think my gynae is too optimistic about usage of lurcin lah. If it's really 90%, then it's like a cure for endo already ? :x
I went to see Xia Rong too .. from Yu Ren Sheng. TCM also has something like hormone therapy, the effect is slower but at the same time you can try for a baby
Think I will stick to TCM first, then try to pop up a miracle baby !!! ha ha ha
She told me "U try first. Coz not all endo patients cannot get preggy. The ratio is 40% for not able to get preggy and 60% to get preggy."
So guess have to work 'very hard' now ha ha ha
aiyo Giggler ... I dun ever want to go for another ops to remove cyst
Me trying to change my diet .. heard that red meat, coffee and tea etc are not good for endo pple. But if to follow the endo diet strictly, we have not much to eat liao !
I will post the diet here later. Now going to bring my furry baby downstairs for his pee pee
Me trying to change my diet .. heard that red meat, coffee and tea etc are not good for endo pple. But if to follow the endo diet strictly, we have not much to eat liao !
I will post the diet here later. Now going to bring my furry baby downstairs for his pee pee
Hi Giggler
I spent around $100 for my first visit to Dr Xia. She is featured on the paper on ZhaoBao this morning. She talked about endometriosis too
She is not against hormone therapy but she said can TTC first Later then do hormone therapy if really doesn't work.
I read from Internet the side effects from hormone is really scary ?
I spent around $100 for my first visit to Dr Xia. She is featured on the paper on ZhaoBao this morning. She talked about endometriosis too
She is not against hormone therapy but she said can TTC first
Later then do hormone therapy if really doesn't work. I read from Internet the side effects from hormone is really scary ?
Hi Giggler
Are you on MC now too due to lap ? Me on my second week of MC
got this from internet :
_________________________________________________
Controlled Diet for Endometriosis
Controlling your diet to help you deal with Endometriosis is an excellent starting point. As I have said earlier, we really are a reflection of what we eat, and the body responds very quickly to what is put inside it. Let me emphasize that point thus:
Look how radically altered we become by too much alcohol - which can happen very quickly
A Sumo wrestler is not born large - they eat themselves large
Body builders do build up their bodies with power/weight lifting, but they also use a high protein diet to back it up
Drink too much coffee and you have a caffeine rush
Travel to another area and you may get upset by the change in water consumption
When we are hungry, many of us suffer that awful drowsy blood sugar drop; eat something and we can pick up again very quickly
So the body is very sensitive to what is put in it, and sometimes that sensitivity is quick to show up. Unfortunately other sensitivities are not noticed and will creep up on us, which is when we suffer from dietary deficiencies and a lack of trace elements. There are times when our body gives us clues that we have a deficiency and we start to have cravings for certain types of foods.
The role of a controlled diet in Endometriosis management has proved exceedingly beneficial for many women. Some women have even been able to be totally symptom free with changes in diet. The plan of the endo diet is to relieve or prevent some of the disabling symptoms that occur with menstruation, as well as the general pain of endo. The goal is to decrease estrogen levels, stabilize hormones, increase energy, alleviate painful cramps and stabilize emotions.
Candida
Some women are achieving great health improvements by following a diet to address Candida yeast infection. By following the Candida diet these women are seeing improvements with their Endometriosis. There is speculation that there are links between Candida and Endometriosis.
A diet for Candida is very similar to a diet regime to help with Endometriosis, which is probably why these women are getting good results from a diet for Candida.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SO WHERE DO WE START!
Lets start with pain and hormones in relation to diet
Endometriosis is an estrogen-sensitive condition, but the painful menstrual cramping that occurs is predominantly due to prostaglandin synthesis in the body. Prostaglandins are naturally occurring fatty acids, which are derived from dietary sources. The body can produce different types of prostaglandins through a complex series of pathways.
There are the good guys and the bad guys of the prostaglandin group. The goal of a controlled diet is to block the bad guys for their negative actions on the body, and increase the good guys for their opposite and beneficial actions. The action of the bad guys is to increase uterine contractions, and the good guys have a soothing effect. By changing the types of oils that are taken into the diet, the production of the good guys can be stimulated, which helps with uterine relaxation. These oils are composed of omega-3 fatty acids, which lead to positive prostaglandin production. Excellent sources of the omega-3 fatty acid producing oils are:
evening primrose
Safflower oil
Walnut oil
flax seeds/oil
It is also important to decrease intake of those fatty acids that will stimulate the bad guys which are found in saturated fats, butter, animal and organ meat, lard.
For a comprehensive description of Prostaglandins, how they work, and what effects they have on endometriosis, infertility, pain and inflammation - read further here
In addition to decreasing bad fat intake, the diet should also consist of high fiber. Not only does this help with good digestion, but it is also thought that a diet high in fiber can decrease total circulating estrogens. It is recommended to incorporate 25 grams per day of fibre. Good sources are:
whole grains excluding wheat and rye
beans, peas and pulses
brown rice
vegetable and fruits
oatmeal
The following foods are recommended to modulate estrogen levels by incorporating one or two servings a day:
mustard greens
broccoli
cabbage
turnips
FOODS TO AVOID
wheat - this includes breads, cakes and pasta products, all based on wheat
refined and concentrated carbohydrates
sugar, in whatever form, including honey
alcohol
caffeine which is found in tea, coffee, soft drinks
chocolate
dairy produce including all milk and cheese
fried food, margarine and hydrogenated fats
soy products and soy protein - tamari can be used in small amounts
tinned and frozen packaged foods as little as possible
additives and preservatives
Note: Meat, dairy and eggs promote the pro-inflammatory prostaglandins.
For a full explanation why you need to exclude most soy foods read here
FOODS BENEFICIAL FOR THE IMMUNE SYSTEM
beans, peas, lentils
onions
garlic (raw or lightly cooked)
carrots (contain beta-carotene)
live yogurt (good for healthy intestinal flora)
rhubarb
seeds and sprouted seeds
ginger
green tea
HORMONE REBALANCING
Foods containing natural plant sterols can be helpful. They are thought to block the estrogen receptors, so in turn excess estrogen in the body cannot lock-in to these receptors. These include:
peas, beans and pulses
red and purple berries
garlic
apples
parsley
fennel
brassicas: cabbage, cauliflower etc
nuts and seeds
celery, carrots
rhubarb
sage
VITAMIN AND MINERAL SUPPLEMENTS
Although the best source of vitamins and minerals is through a well balanced diet, many foods today are depleted in these vital trace elements. Today, most of us need to supplement our diet with some of the vitamins and minerals that our bodies need to function optimally.
The following is a list of supplements that will help women with Endometriosis:
Magnesium - is a mineral and is believed to ease cramping with menstruation
Zinc - is essential for enzyme activity, helping cells to reproduce which will help with healing. Zinc is also reported to boost the immune system and helping to create an emotional sense of well-being
Calcium - levels of calcium in menstruating women decrease 10 to 14 days before the onset of menstruation. Deficiency may lead to muscle cramps, headache or pelvic pain.
Iron - women with Endometriosis tend to have very heavy periods which can lead to an iron deficiency. This can lead to anemia which is characterized by extreme fatigue and weakness.
B vitamins - these are important for the breakdown of proteins, carbohydrates and fats in the body. B vitamins are reported to improve the emotional symptoms of Endometriosis, and have proved helpful in dealing with PMT
Vitamin C - is well known for helping to boost the immune system and help provide resistance to disease. It is also used in the body to build and maintain collagen within the body.
Vitamin A - is another immune system booster
Vitamin E - plays an important role by increasing oxygen carrying capacities and also strengthens the immune system
Selenium - when taken together with vitamin E has been reported to decrease inflammation associated with Endometriosis, as well as immune system booster.
OTHER USEFUL SNIPPETS:
Certain vegetables have substances that activate liver enzymes and help the liver to detoxify chemicals. This allows the liver to eliminate excess estrogen from the body more effectively. These vegetables include: broccoli, cauliflower and brussel sprouts.
Auto immune diseases are thought to be triggered by free- radicals in the body, which could be an added factor in Endometriosis. Free radicals are destructive molecules and are found naturally in the body but can be made worse by pollution, stress, illness and smoking. There are minerals and vitamins that will help to fight off these free-radicals because of their antioxidant properties, including: vitamins A,C,E, CoQ10, selenium, vitamin B complex, as well as specific supplements being sold specifically as Antioxidants.
It is very common for women with Endometriosis to suffer from Irritable Bowel Syndrome. I used to suffer from it myself, and it took quite a while to define which foods would trigger it off. These triggers can vary from one woman to another. Even simple things like drinking a hot drink when it was too hot would trigger it off in me. You need to really pay attention as to what your own subtle triggers are, as well as which foods will set it off.
TO SUM UP
increase omega-3 fatty acids
avoid meat, dairy products, wheat and sugar
increase fiber
modulate estrogen
avoid caffeine and alcohol
avoid refined foods, e-numbers, additives
minimize or avoid soy products as they contain high levels of phytoestrogens, and soy contains a particular toxin which seems to be particularly detrimental for women with Endometriosis
peel fruit and vegetables to remove toxic chemicals
eat organic produce wherever possible
drink lots of filtered or mineral water
Are you on MC now too due to lap ? Me on my second week of MC
got this from internet :
_________________________________________________
Controlled Diet for Endometriosis
Controlling your diet to help you deal with Endometriosis is an excellent starting point. As I have said earlier, we really are a reflection of what we eat, and the body responds very quickly to what is put inside it. Let me emphasize that point thus:
Look how radically altered we become by too much alcohol - which can happen very quickly
A Sumo wrestler is not born large - they eat themselves large
Body builders do build up their bodies with power/weight lifting, but they also use a high protein diet to back it up
Drink too much coffee and you have a caffeine rush
Travel to another area and you may get upset by the change in water consumption
When we are hungry, many of us suffer that awful drowsy blood sugar drop; eat something and we can pick up again very quickly
So the body is very sensitive to what is put in it, and sometimes that sensitivity is quick to show up. Unfortunately other sensitivities are not noticed and will creep up on us, which is when we suffer from dietary deficiencies and a lack of trace elements. There are times when our body gives us clues that we have a deficiency and we start to have cravings for certain types of foods.
The role of a controlled diet in Endometriosis management has proved exceedingly beneficial for many women. Some women have even been able to be totally symptom free with changes in diet. The plan of the endo diet is to relieve or prevent some of the disabling symptoms that occur with menstruation, as well as the general pain of endo. The goal is to decrease estrogen levels, stabilize hormones, increase energy, alleviate painful cramps and stabilize emotions.
Candida
Some women are achieving great health improvements by following a diet to address Candida yeast infection. By following the Candida diet these women are seeing improvements with their Endometriosis. There is speculation that there are links between Candida and Endometriosis.
A diet for Candida is very similar to a diet regime to help with Endometriosis, which is probably why these women are getting good results from a diet for Candida.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SO WHERE DO WE START!
Lets start with pain and hormones in relation to diet
Endometriosis is an estrogen-sensitive condition, but the painful menstrual cramping that occurs is predominantly due to prostaglandin synthesis in the body. Prostaglandins are naturally occurring fatty acids, which are derived from dietary sources. The body can produce different types of prostaglandins through a complex series of pathways.
There are the good guys and the bad guys of the prostaglandin group. The goal of a controlled diet is to block the bad guys for their negative actions on the body, and increase the good guys for their opposite and beneficial actions. The action of the bad guys is to increase uterine contractions, and the good guys have a soothing effect. By changing the types of oils that are taken into the diet, the production of the good guys can be stimulated, which helps with uterine relaxation. These oils are composed of omega-3 fatty acids, which lead to positive prostaglandin production. Excellent sources of the omega-3 fatty acid producing oils are:
evening primrose
Safflower oil
Walnut oil
flax seeds/oil
It is also important to decrease intake of those fatty acids that will stimulate the bad guys which are found in saturated fats, butter, animal and organ meat, lard.
For a comprehensive description of Prostaglandins, how they work, and what effects they have on endometriosis, infertility, pain and inflammation - read further here
In addition to decreasing bad fat intake, the diet should also consist of high fiber. Not only does this help with good digestion, but it is also thought that a diet high in fiber can decrease total circulating estrogens. It is recommended to incorporate 25 grams per day of fibre. Good sources are:
whole grains excluding wheat and rye
beans, peas and pulses
brown rice
vegetable and fruits
oatmeal
The following foods are recommended to modulate estrogen levels by incorporating one or two servings a day:
mustard greens
broccoli
cabbage
turnips
FOODS TO AVOID
wheat - this includes breads, cakes and pasta products, all based on wheat
refined and concentrated carbohydrates
sugar, in whatever form, including honey
alcohol
caffeine which is found in tea, coffee, soft drinks
chocolate
dairy produce including all milk and cheese
fried food, margarine and hydrogenated fats
soy products and soy protein - tamari can be used in small amounts
tinned and frozen packaged foods as little as possible
additives and preservatives
Note: Meat, dairy and eggs promote the pro-inflammatory prostaglandins.
For a full explanation why you need to exclude most soy foods read here
FOODS BENEFICIAL FOR THE IMMUNE SYSTEM
beans, peas, lentils
onions
garlic (raw or lightly cooked)
carrots (contain beta-carotene)
live yogurt (good for healthy intestinal flora)
rhubarb
seeds and sprouted seeds
ginger
green tea
HORMONE REBALANCING
Foods containing natural plant sterols can be helpful. They are thought to block the estrogen receptors, so in turn excess estrogen in the body cannot lock-in to these receptors. These include:
peas, beans and pulses
red and purple berries
garlic
apples
parsley
fennel
brassicas: cabbage, cauliflower etc
nuts and seeds
celery, carrots
rhubarb
sage
VITAMIN AND MINERAL SUPPLEMENTS
Although the best source of vitamins and minerals is through a well balanced diet, many foods today are depleted in these vital trace elements. Today, most of us need to supplement our diet with some of the vitamins and minerals that our bodies need to function optimally.
The following is a list of supplements that will help women with Endometriosis:
Magnesium - is a mineral and is believed to ease cramping with menstruation
Zinc - is essential for enzyme activity, helping cells to reproduce which will help with healing. Zinc is also reported to boost the immune system and helping to create an emotional sense of well-being
Calcium - levels of calcium in menstruating women decrease 10 to 14 days before the onset of menstruation. Deficiency may lead to muscle cramps, headache or pelvic pain.
Iron - women with Endometriosis tend to have very heavy periods which can lead to an iron deficiency. This can lead to anemia which is characterized by extreme fatigue and weakness.
B vitamins - these are important for the breakdown of proteins, carbohydrates and fats in the body. B vitamins are reported to improve the emotional symptoms of Endometriosis, and have proved helpful in dealing with PMT
Vitamin C - is well known for helping to boost the immune system and help provide resistance to disease. It is also used in the body to build and maintain collagen within the body.
Vitamin A - is another immune system booster
Vitamin E - plays an important role by increasing oxygen carrying capacities and also strengthens the immune system
Selenium - when taken together with vitamin E has been reported to decrease inflammation associated with Endometriosis, as well as immune system booster.
OTHER USEFUL SNIPPETS:
Certain vegetables have substances that activate liver enzymes and help the liver to detoxify chemicals. This allows the liver to eliminate excess estrogen from the body more effectively. These vegetables include: broccoli, cauliflower and brussel sprouts.
Auto immune diseases are thought to be triggered by free- radicals in the body, which could be an added factor in Endometriosis. Free radicals are destructive molecules and are found naturally in the body but can be made worse by pollution, stress, illness and smoking. There are minerals and vitamins that will help to fight off these free-radicals because of their antioxidant properties, including: vitamins A,C,E, CoQ10, selenium, vitamin B complex, as well as specific supplements being sold specifically as Antioxidants.
It is very common for women with Endometriosis to suffer from Irritable Bowel Syndrome. I used to suffer from it myself, and it took quite a while to define which foods would trigger it off. These triggers can vary from one woman to another. Even simple things like drinking a hot drink when it was too hot would trigger it off in me. You need to really pay attention as to what your own subtle triggers are, as well as which foods will set it off.
TO SUM UP
increase omega-3 fatty acids
avoid meat, dairy products, wheat and sugar
increase fiber
modulate estrogen
avoid caffeine and alcohol
avoid refined foods, e-numbers, additives
minimize or avoid soy products as they contain high levels of phytoestrogens, and soy contains a particular toxin which seems to be particularly detrimental for women with Endometriosis
peel fruit and vegetables to remove toxic chemicals
eat organic produce wherever possible
drink lots of filtered or mineral water
S
sad heart
Guest
Hi giggler and bearyhip,
Thank you. My that fertility gynae sounded very kan cheong cos to him, he doesn't wan2 waste any time...to him endo may recur anytime. So he want to seize all opportunity to help me conceive. That's why he told me to do SO-IUI quickly. But I dun feel comfortable with him. 1st too expensive. 2nd he talks so fast and explain very fast and sounded very kan cheong...make me so worried n scared. 3rd though he is from private clinic, waited almost 4 hours to see him!!
Really no money now...so need to go to cheap ones like KKH. OK, I shall get referral to KK and will call Paragon to enquire too. Thanks.
Bearyhip,
Do u know whats the telephone no. of Paragon? Thank you!
Giggler,
Sorry to ask u....U are trying naturally for how long already? Did your gynae sound as kan cheong as my fertility gynae? Did your gynae tell u that u must conceive asap? Aiyoh...I'm really feel very upset and confused....
Thank you. My that fertility gynae sounded very kan cheong cos to him, he doesn't wan2 waste any time...to him endo may recur anytime. So he want to seize all opportunity to help me conceive. That's why he told me to do SO-IUI quickly. But I dun feel comfortable with him. 1st too expensive. 2nd he talks so fast and explain very fast and sounded very kan cheong...make me so worried n scared. 3rd though he is from private clinic, waited almost 4 hours to see him!!
Really no money now...so need to go to cheap ones like KKH. OK, I shall get referral to KK and will call Paragon to enquire too. Thanks.
Bearyhip,
Do u know whats the telephone no. of Paragon? Thank you!
Giggler,
Sorry to ask u....U are trying naturally for how long already? Did your gynae sound as kan cheong as my fertility gynae? Did your gynae tell u that u must conceive asap? Aiyoh...I'm really feel very upset and confused....
S
sad heart
Guest
Hi Ruishiki,
I've been trying for 1 yr already. Thanks but not interested to try chinese medicine. I heard from the fertility specialist that most of the chinese medicine to treat fertility problem also hv western medicine inside it. I dunno how true. But I think I juz stick to western side. Thank you.
I've been trying for 1 yr already. Thanks but not interested to try chinese medicine. I heard from the fertility specialist that most of the chinese medicine to treat fertility problem also hv western medicine inside it. I dunno how true. But I think I juz stick to western side. Thank you.
Hi Sad Heart
Yup the choice is yours
I will be trying :x
See how first .. u just done the lap to remove ? Before that you didn't know u have endo ?
If u just done your lap, then your chances of getting preggy is increased 40 to 60% ... then you should just ttc and dun think about the 1 year experience coz that time u haven't remove endo mah ?
Yup the choice is yours
See how first .. u just done the lap to remove ? Before that you didn't know u have endo ?
If u just done your lap, then your chances of getting preggy is increased 40 to 60% ... then you should just ttc and dun think about the 1 year experience coz that time u haven't remove endo mah ?
Hi Sad Heart
The contact number for CARE is 63338608. Website is www.careivf.net Don't despair or be depressed. There is always hope and miracle will happen..
Hi Riushiki
Wow, you are really fanastic hor... Thanks for all the information. The problem is that I am a coffee addict.. How to give up coffee??
Don't like the idea of going for another op too. But has no choice, tis is my last chance before my doc insist tat i go for TH... So now I am hoping that tis op will be successful....
The contact number for CARE is 63338608. Website is www.careivf.net Don't despair or be depressed. There is always hope and miracle will happen..
Hi Riushiki
Wow, you are really fanastic hor... Thanks for all the information. The problem is that I am a coffee addict.. How to give up coffee??
Don't like the idea of going for another op too. But has no choice, tis is my last chance before my doc insist tat i go for TH... So now I am hoping that tis op will be successful....
Hi Beary
I guess giving up coffee is easier than going for op right ? hee
I am also a coffee addict for 20 years but for the sake of health ... got to give up. No harm giving the diet a try since it's supposed to be a healthier lifestyle for us too
Hope your ops will be a success !!!
I guess giving up coffee is easier than going for op right ? hee
I am also a coffee addict for 20 years but for the sake of health ... got to give up. No harm giving the diet a try since it's supposed to be a healthier lifestyle for us too
Hope your ops will be a success !!!