Thanks gal. Hope it all works out well. Lining too thick not good I heard. My er friday means et monday. Imagine my lining will be hw thick frm nw. Now hope lining retain n follies grow. Can u remember lining on erActually all your figures look good mesara. Your lining is more than mine at my last scan and follicles all seems to be growing well. Wishing u success this round.
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jklim4642
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Too thick lining is not relevant in ivf. Thats wat an ivf review dr at kkh told (now in private practice) during my first fresh cycle. I doubted her as My lining was thick at 14mm before trigger! Fyi, i bfp and had a smooth first trimester.
FOr a successful pregnancy, 2 impt factors, a healthy womb and a genetically normal embyro.
Hi jklim,
Thank you for the assurance. I just hope i will be as lucky as your friend!
Babygrin
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Thanks mesara. You kind of gave me some assurance
Nervouse_babe my lining 5mm but nurse said it is normal bcoz D2 menses so lining will be thin.
But I just recalled in the previous cycle I don't remember my hubby took antibiotic so early. Sisters, when did your hubs start the antibiotics?
Nervouse_babe my lining 5mm but nurse said it is normal bcoz D2 menses so lining will be thin.
But I just recalled in the previous cycle I don't remember my hubby took antibiotic so early. Sisters, when did your hubs start the antibiotics?
babydusty
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Im on medicated fet and did my scan. After all the mercilon and decap jab. Den start progynova 4mg per day for 4 days, 8mg per day for another 4 days and 12mg per day for another 5 days, and today is scanning day, guess what my lining is still 6.5mm!!!! I am just so disappointed!!! When i did natural fet and nearly ovulation my lining was 6.8mm so i abort that cycle. Now after so many medication, its still 6.5mm, what the hell, go thru so much medication still 6.5mm!!! I already take red bean soup and raspberry tea also same! Doctor ask me to increase dosage again on Progynova to 16mg per day for the next two days. But I dont care, Im taking 20mg per day. 10mg day, 10mg night!!!
Anybody did medicated fet before and experience as me? So tired wait for lining, natural same, medicated also same... when will i ever stop worry about my lining den next worry to thaw my embryo. help help.
Anybody did medicated fet before and experience as me? So tired wait for lining, natural same, medicated also same... when will i ever stop worry about my lining den next worry to thaw my embryo. help help.
anamika87
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Today i went to my first scanning for medicated FET. Linning 7.3 asked me to wait for 2 more days and come for scanning on Wednesday. I asked about egg growth. Review doc told no need to worry for egg growth and ovulation for medicated FET. Can any one tell me is it true No need to worry about ovulation for FET?
babydusty
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dat part also i dont understand, so we dont ovulate coz we are on progynova?
doctor got increase ur dosage on progynova? at least ur lining reached 7mm, mine 6.5mm haiyoh
iwantahealthybaby
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mesara i dont know my lining on er day cause kkh dont practice measuring again on day of retrieval or transfer. they just see your last scan before trigger and thats it...
babydusty
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babydusty
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how much usually and can give me details? boil our own herbs?
Babygrin
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I'm seeing him 2hrs later. Will ask & let u know. Usually I ask them to boil for me.
Or mesara do you remember the cost?
Babygrin
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Btw I ever asked dr que if red bean soup helps improve lining. He said it helps to regenerate blood but its effect is much much lower than gouqizi. So you need to eat lots & lots of red bean soup everyday then got effect. When a few ladies who bfp said they took red bean soup, everybody starts thinking it helps. It is also not suitable for those whose body is heaty.
I guess it just works for some but not for others bah...
I guess it just works for some but not for others bah...
babydusty
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ohhhh okie update me. my next scan is wed. tomorrow see too late liao?
anamika87
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Don't worry babydusty it wil increase. As few ladies said try herbs. Be cool and eat healthy everything wil be fine
babydusty
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hahahhaha how to advise. due to my lining 6.5mm doctor increase to 4 tablets day and night, so im being my own doctor increase it to 5 tablets day and night. u taking daily each one time only?
anamika87
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Yes taking 3 tablets each 2mg every morning.
jklim4642
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Is the ovulation hormones tt build lining. Prognova will give u the ovulation hormones for medicated FET. If lining is not gd enough, means ovulating hormones not good enough so got to increase dosage. Prognova cannot stop even after bfp. Stop only after first trimester when placenta is fully formed.
For natural FET, need to ovulate as only then, will ovulating hormones be produced to build womb lining.
For natural FET, need to ovulate as only then, will ovulating hormones be produced to build womb lining.
anamika87
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Then progynova will induce only ovulation hormones not ovulation? When our lining reaches good size we can just transfer the embbies?
nervous_babe
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babygrin
you are on a gd start this cycle.
hubby starts antibotics when we start stim. u gals intend to continue with herbs when on stim?
you are on a gd start this cycle.
hubby starts antibotics when we start stim. u gals intend to continue with herbs when on stim?
jklim4642
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The follicles will generally not grow w progynova but i was told some ladies still ovulate. anyhow, ovulation is not required for medicated FET.
Mining must hit 8mm min. Be it natural or medicated FET.
Natural, once positive on Ovulation kit and scan showed a dorminant follicle, ET must take place on d2 after getting a positive on the kit. Cannot delay. Coz once ovulation happens, the lining will shed if not pregnant.
Medicated FET has more grace, can delay 1~2 days after womb lining is ready as long as prognova continues.
Mining must hit 8mm min. Be it natural or medicated FET.
Natural, once positive on Ovulation kit and scan showed a dorminant follicle, ET must take place on d2 after getting a positive on the kit. Cannot delay. Coz once ovulation happens, the lining will shed if not pregnant.
Medicated FET has more grace, can delay 1~2 days after womb lining is ready as long as prognova continues.
babydusty
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i dont know if its last scan, i hope so coz if lining still thin continue progynova till thick and
scan again. which is the tiring part again, come down to monitor lining...
babydusty
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thank u jklim4642 for the explanation on thr progynova. yup been taking folic acid everyday since 2 yrs back prepare to conceive...
Babygrin
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Hmmm... if still got time, why not try herbs & acu for a few days and see how? Maybe it will help leh?
petitelady
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I failed this cycle. Its the worst of all. My follicles were 17.5 & 18mm on each side on Thurs. Suppose to ER on Sat but doc. changed to Monday and give me Menopur till Sat. Trigger Sat. nite.
Today after ER he said bad news both follicles are empty. So do you have any question for me? he asked. I was speechless and answer i dont know what to say. He ask me to come back Monday and see what's next. He can somemore said you knew you are low ovarian reserve and you knew you have 2 follicles and you agree to continue. Of course i agree cos my follicles oredi reach 17.5 & 18mm by that time. Haiz.. im so dissapointed.
Anyone with low ovarian reserve as me have more follicles. Now im wondering does that mean in future i got no more follicles? Does TCM helps? Im very very sad. All the effort is gone.
Today after ER he said bad news both follicles are empty. So do you have any question for me? he asked. I was speechless and answer i dont know what to say. He ask me to come back Monday and see what's next. He can somemore said you knew you are low ovarian reserve and you knew you have 2 follicles and you agree to continue. Of course i agree cos my follicles oredi reach 17.5 & 18mm by that time. Haiz.. im so dissapointed.
Anyone with low ovarian reserve as me have more follicles. Now im wondering does that mean in future i got no more follicles? Does TCM helps? Im very very sad. All the effort is gone.
MyBaby73
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Did dr explain why delay another two more days for ER? Your follies already quite big should be able to trigger. I have seen many low reserve ladies in smh BFP so don't lose hope.
Babygrin
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@petitelady I can totally understand how you feel. My 1st cycle only got 1 follie and ER ended with no egg retrieved. It's not true that you have no more follicles, it's just that the numbers are low and you need the right med or protocol to "force" them to appear. But the problem is different people react to different med so it is really a trial and error thing.
Although tcm may not work for everyone but if you haven't tried yet, why not give it a go?
Don't give up gal! Keep on trying
Although tcm may not work for everyone but if you haven't tried yet, why not give it a go?
Don't give up gal! Keep on trying
Hi, ladies.
l went for my 3rd ultrasound scan this morning and the results is as below:
Rt ovary: 22 16.5 15.5 15 14.5 14 13 12.5
Lt ovary: 21 14.5 13.5 13.5 13.5 13 10 9 8
Endo Thickness: 8mm
Although i have a number of good size follicles, l am still feeling insecure as my previous cycle also yielded similar numbers but the oocytes' quality was poor. My Endo thickness is also at the minimum of 8mm only. I am now working very hard to increase the lining haby eating red bean soup and going for acupuncture daily.
My trigger shot was done tonight at 8pm. ER is scheduled for 730 am on this Wednesday. Now, all I can do is pray that everything can go smoothly and 1 will be able to get a good number of fertilized and transferable embryos / blaslocysts for both transfers and freezing.
l went for my 3rd ultrasound scan this morning and the results is as below:
Rt ovary: 22 16.5 15.5 15 14.5 14 13 12.5
Lt ovary: 21 14.5 13.5 13.5 13.5 13 10 9 8
Endo Thickness: 8mm
Although i have a number of good size follicles, l am still feeling insecure as my previous cycle also yielded similar numbers but the oocytes' quality was poor. My Endo thickness is also at the minimum of 8mm only. I am now working very hard to increase the lining haby eating red bean soup and going for acupuncture daily.
My trigger shot was done tonight at 8pm. ER is scheduled for 730 am on this Wednesday. Now, all I can do is pray that everything can go smoothly and 1 will be able to get a good number of fertilized and transferable embryos / blaslocysts for both transfers and freezing.
babydusty
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thank u babygrin, will think abt it.
Hi petitelady, like you I have low ovarian reserve. And I am suspected to have egg quality issue and my 1st cycle did not even reach ET stage. Dr S at kk ask me to try DHEA to see if it helps my ovaries. I am trying TCM to see if it can help with my ovaries. It's disappointing but too stress will probably upset the hormones in us too. Cheer up k?
iwantahealthybaby
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Hi ladies, see a few who is entering tww soon with all the trigger shot date fix. Wishing you all a BFP this cycle.
I understand that medicated fet does not need to worry about lining or ovulation as all the jabs are suppose to aid you to get to the transfer stage. In a way less worrying less stress, after all the jabs you be given a date for transfer. Probably worry is whether your frozen embies survive the thaw.
For natural fet which I did and bfp, factors like lining must hit a minimum 8 mm and follicles above size 18 is preferred for doctors to proceed with a transfer date. Not forgetting in natural fet ovulation must be detected. Need to use opk to check for ovulation once positive must go down scan let the nurse check that ovulation did take place. After opk positive the transfer is done 2-7 days later depending on your frozen embies age. Mine was a day 5 blasts when frozen so during my fet my transfer was 7 days after opk detected positive. I was so worried too 7 days seems long but everything was right for me which resulted me with a bfp. Doc say after ovulation detected the frozen embies must be transfered into womb at the right time so that the condition inside the womb fits the age of your frozen embies. Hope the above info helps.
*praying* for you girls success this round Positive!
I understand that medicated fet does not need to worry about lining or ovulation as all the jabs are suppose to aid you to get to the transfer stage. In a way less worrying less stress, after all the jabs you be given a date for transfer. Probably worry is whether your frozen embies survive the thaw.
For natural fet which I did and bfp, factors like lining must hit a minimum 8 mm and follicles above size 18 is preferred for doctors to proceed with a transfer date. Not forgetting in natural fet ovulation must be detected. Need to use opk to check for ovulation once positive must go down scan let the nurse check that ovulation did take place. After opk positive the transfer is done 2-7 days later depending on your frozen embies age. Mine was a day 5 blasts when frozen so during my fet my transfer was 7 days after opk detected positive. I was so worried too 7 days seems long but everything was right for me which resulted me with a bfp. Doc say after ovulation detected the frozen embies must be transfered into womb at the right time so that the condition inside the womb fits the age of your frozen embies. Hope the above info helps.
*praying* for you girls success this round
Positive!
jklim4642
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Also ovulation kit is to detect ovulation is going to happen and the scan confirms that NOT after we hv ovulated! War is over if so.
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2 days later, ovulation will happen and that's when ET should happen under natural FET. SO An embyro is transferred back to the womb so that the brain is under the impression that the egg which travels down to the womb is being fertilized and will try to implant it without thinking that there is no fertilization and shed the lining.
U transferred a d5 embyro, that means the embyro is 5 days old after fertilisation. For natural conception, fertilisation takes place on d1~ d2 fter we ovulate. ET is only d2 after positive ovulation, ie ovulation date. So how is the womb age reconcile to a d5 embyro? The 2 r not related at all.
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2 days later, ovulation will happen and that's when ET should happen under natural FET. SO An embyro is transferred back to the womb so that the brain is under the impression that the egg which travels down to the womb is being fertilized and will try to implant it without thinking that there is no fertilization and shed the lining.
U transferred a d5 embyro, that means the embyro is 5 days old after fertilisation. For natural conception, fertilisation takes place on d1~ d2 fter we ovulate. ET is only d2 after positive ovulation, ie ovulation date. So how is the womb age reconcile to a d5 embyro? The 2 r not related at all.
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iwantahealthybaby
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well i do not know how they calculate too the dates for transfer but the doctor did mention depending on how old your frozen embies are they then calculate the days of transfer. so its not fix at d2 after positive opk. after opk show positive they usually add a day because ovulation occurs 1 day after opk positive. so by right for a d3 frozen embies the transfer is done 4 days after opk positive. as for mine, i had a d5 frozen embies and so after my opk turns positive transfer should be 5+1day = 6days later but mine was 7 days later because i tested positive opk at night which the nurses say test only in morning. so instead of adding 1 day they add 2 days. thats how i got my 7days transfer date after opk positive.
babydusty
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for nuh medicated fet there is one jab, decap for ovulation and prepare lining for next
mensus. den when next mensus come we start progynova. to me all this is rubbish. nuh love to waste people time and money especially mine. pffttt but i love their system, very fast and each time see doctor review. no need wait so long.
Hugs petitelady lady. Why did they postpone your er is amh less than 1? What babygrin say is true. Try tcm if u have not. Many sis in this forum have bfp woth low amh one with one egg at er. Its easier said and I can understand the pain u r going thru. Please have hope take a break rest well and come back stronger.