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Hi Gigi, have jus seen doc Loh. He did a scan for me and found a 5 cm cyst. He suspects I have endometrosis too. Waiting to see him again 5 weeks later to check on the cyst condition before deciding on lap...

Sisters here, has anyone gone through lap with dr Loh? Usually how long does the recovery take? Does the AMH goes down after lap?
 


Portia can understand how u feel. Is ok to feel upset cos we are all human but don't get yourself into depression. Channel your thoughts to something else. Take up a new hobby, plan holiday, meet up with friends. Hugs.
 
Portia, dont fret....i think all of us feel the same here...why ppl get preggy so easily unlike ourselves? The struggle....all the cousins/relatives around my age if not younger, who got married had kids liao...n one cousin just preg with second kid...the relatives will always asked me when my turn but this year they never ask liao but i feel 'lacking n left out' i can only tell myself i m working towards my goal n one day all of us will def conceive de...by then when we look back, it is all worth it!!
 
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Portia, I also understand how you feel because I feel it all the time after we had discovered our infertility issue. Honestly speaking, i seldom hang out with my friends ever since that fateful day. I only see them on a need to basis. Our case is a very special case whereby we can only conceive via IVF. I did share our case here before back in 2012 when I first joined the forum and I managed to get to know another 3 ladies who share exactly the same issue as us. Worse still, my parents are not supportive of me going through the IVF programme, especially my mum. My mum said if this is my life without children, I need to accept it. DH's parents said leave the decision to us if we want any children. So when we had decided to embark on the IVF journey, we did not inform anybody. We are all alone in this journey, except God, Dr Tan HH, Dr Zou, Twinkle Lau (one of the nurses in KKIVF), and the 3 ladies whom I mentioned I got to know them here. I must thank the 3 ladies. They have been very supportive and encouraging all this while and we are all very happy when 2 of them are mothers now. 1 even has twins. :)

I think it is important to talk to people who understand our situation. It really helps a lot psychologically.
 
Portia, it is very usual to feel this way. Don't let it get u down. The journey of ttcing is not easy, neither is ivf. But at least ivf gives us a better chance. Give yourself a chance and let god pave the way for u. He is generous and will find a way for u.

Don't be angry with your hubby. He is your partner for life and he has agreed to be part of this journey. That's all that matters. Let this journey bring the 2 of u closer. Let this journey make us stronger. Don't fear or worry about the outcome. Take a step forward, one step at a time and u will get there.
 
I feel the same way too. Even worse is the pressure to have children is given by my family, friends, etc. although DH is 7 years older than me, he has always told me, we do what we can and persevere. Just during my fresh I hv my SIL and best friend announce having baby. Yet now I have chemical pregnancy and waiting for miscarriage so I can continue this journey. It's heartbreaking and we all feel it.
We are all here to support each other.
 
I agree it's hard to face fertility issue. It took us a long time to come to a decision that we need to do IVF. Like many, I envy others but I told myself that it will be my turn soon. My gift will be here soon. I try to think positive as I only started my Stimulating jabs for 2 days. So relax n be stress free.
 
I just went to TMC to get my progesterone shot at around 7 plus.

Around 5 plus, I went to the toilet and when I wiped, I noticed there was quite a bit of blood but still not the AF type yet. I also had AF-like cramps after lunch all the way. I got worried and called Dr Zou for help. She recommended a gynae, Dr Michele Lee and asked me to go down to TMC. When I reached TMC, the nurse was very friendly and registered for me and brought me to lie down in the treatment room while she called Dr Lee. Dr Lee decided that she would come down to see me. How nice of her to come and see me on a Saturday night and when I'm not her patient! :)

Dr Lee used the speculum to check my vaginal as what the doctor at KKH O&G did. Both commented that my cervix is not opened. Dr Lee said the spotting could be due to the placenta is developing. I told her I need to go back to KKH on Monday to retest my beta HCG. If my beta HCG doubles and KKH still doesn't want to give additional support, then I can go back to her clinic to see her again. She also gave me another week of HL to stay at home.

I just pray hard that my spotting will stop real soon and hope everything will be fine.
 
tsf0205 said:
Hi Gigi, have jus seen doc Loh. He did a scan for me and found a 5 cm cyst. He suspects I have endometrosis too. Waiting to see him again 5 weeks later to check on the cyst condition before deciding on lap...

Sisters here, has anyone gone through lap with dr Loh? Usually how long does the recovery take? Does the AMH goes down after lap?
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@tsf0205 hello yes am under Loh now
I had ivf 2 failed but still got 9 eggs which is great for me
I did a lap with him last week ! Had mild endo+ cyst +synecchiae no wonder i could not bfp naturally i fully recovered in 1 week
Dont worry about amh : bbblues had also lap with him checked her amh again this week And her amh is back to normal range amazing no? She took dhea as per Loh recommendation And see lap did not affect her amh level

I have not checked my amh recently so my case cant tell but i Know Loh right lap does not affect amh plus i take dhea so i should be fine
 
Hugs portia...indeed its not easy to face all the pregnant ladies when one is trying so hard to ttc. If can why not take a break from work? Go for a holiday with ur hub to calm down and have peace...stress is no good for ttc. Meanwhile eat healthy and take vitamins. Jia you
 
faithfullyyours said:
I just went to TMC to get my progesterone shot at around 7 plus.

Around 5 plus, I went to the toilet and when I wiped, I noticed there was quite a bit of blood but still not the AF type yet. I also had AF-like cramps after lunch all the way. I got worried and called Dr Zou for help. She recommended a gynae, Dr Michele Lee and asked me to go down to TMC. When I reached TMC, the nurse was very friendly and registered for me and brought me to lie down in the treatment room while she called Dr Lee. Dr Lee decided that she would come down to see me. How nice of her to come and see me on a Saturday night and when I'm not her patient! :)

Dr Lee used the speculum to check my vaginal as what the doctor at KKH O&G did. Both commented that my cervix is not opened. Dr Lee said the spotting could be due to the placenta is developing. I told her I need to go back to KKH on Monday to retest my beta HCG. If my beta HCG doubles and KKH still doesn't want to give additional support, then I can go back to her clinic to see her again. She also gave me another week of HL to stay at home.

I just pray hard that my spotting will stop real soon and hope everything will be fine.
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Faithfully yours,hope you r ok. Lie on bed n minimize movement. The jab shld help.
 
gigi31 said:
@tsf0205 hello yes am under Loh now
I had ivf 2 failed but still got 9 eggs which is great for me
I did a lap with him last week ! Had mild endo+ cyst +synecchiae no wonder i could not bfp naturally i fully recovered in 1 week
Dont worry about amh : bbblues had also lap with him checked her amh again this week And her amh is back to normal range amazing no? She took dhea as per Loh recommendation And see lap did not affect her amh level

I have not checked my amh recently so my case cant tell but i Know Loh right lap does not affect amh plus i take dhea so i should be fine
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gigi31 said:
@tsf0205 hello yes am under Loh now
I had ivf 2 failed but still got 9 eggs which is great for me
I did a lap with him last week ! Had mild endo+ cyst +synecchiae no wonder i could not bfp naturally i fully recovered in 1 week
Dont worry about amh : bbblues had also lap with him checked her amh again this week And her amh is back to normal range amazing no? She took dhea as per Loh recommendation And see lap did not affect her amh level

I have not checked my amh recently so my case cant tell but i Know Loh right lap does not affect amh plus i take dhea so i should be fine
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Gigi, what did he use as a trigger jab? He feels that prof Wong shouldn't use suprefact... Another thing, he is super anti on tcm. Ask me to stop all tcm medications cos he feels that it's the tcm that resulted in the cyst. Can I also know, how soon u can start Ivf after lap?

Thanks!!
 
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Faithfullyours, u ok now?
Spotting stop? Does Dr give you support jab ?
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gan1972 said:
Faithfully yours,hope you r ok. Lie on bed n minimize movement. The jab shld help.
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Snoppy77 and Gan1972,

My spotting seemed better after the progesterone shot. There isn't much flow but when I wipe, there is still stain. The stain now is like sticky (3/4 transparent &1/4 pink/red). The cramp is gone too.
 
tsf0205 said:
Gigi, what did he use as a trigger jab? He feels that prof Wong shouldn't use suprefact... Another thing, he is super anti on tcm. Ask me to stop all tcm medications cos he feels that it's the tcm that resulted in the cyst. Can I also know, how soon u can start Ivf after lap?

Thanks!!
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Well i dont Know for tcm Never asked him... did he say cyst can be due to herbs ?:eek:
For trigger he used pregnyl
Wong had given me ovitrelle
You have women who bfp naturally the month of their lap so theres no restriction but yes he said just rest your body this month then ok next month so i ll retry ivf end april And march try naturally
 
Portia your time will come soon. And it's real soon. Get ready all your preparation for the next ivf. Since you have not done endo scratch before maybe it's a wise choice to include this time round. But cannot try naturally if you scratching.

Faithfullyours, so glad to hear your spotting become lighter and not heavy anymore. Hope your hcg doubles tomorrow. Have an early night today and don't think so much. I know it's difficult. Let's just say all ladies through ivf at every stage there will be worries, there will be doubts, there will be uncertainties. We've come so far it's natural for us to want the best for the lil life inside our womb.
 
Jumbo girl said:
Tsf which Tcm u seeing?

Faithfully yours. Good that u have a pte dr to go to. Take care.
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Hi jumbo girl, I am seeing tan kian Seng in Clementi.

Dear sisters, need advice. If cyst detected, do u all opt to remove it immediately or wait and see? Yesterday was 1st day of my AF when the cyst is found. It's 5cm. Dr Loh says its big
 
Thank you, ladies, for your kind words and consolation. I know I hv to find ways and strength to keep going and move forward. It is tough not to look back and to think of the years I hv lost. I need to find a way to restore peace in my heart and stop the anger towards my husband.

I made the appointment yesterday for endo scratch in early April. I just pray and hope that the next fresh cycle will be the lucky round for me.

Thank you, brave ladies, for your support. May those in the stimulating stage n 2ww get thru the cycyle w a bfp that I hv not gotten. And for those of you waiting for the next blood test or u/s scan recieve good news of increasing hcg level and pounding little heart beats. For those with complications, you have my prayers.
 
Thank you all the sisters for your concern! :)

Portia3, don't be angry with your DH. When we found out our infertility issue, I was very devastated and angry too because DH is the one with issue and I'm perfectly normal and healthy. At that moment, I can't deny I did not have anger. I couldn't share with any of our friends. I need to talk to somebody who shares the same situation as us. Even not many ladies here share the same situation as us. But luckily 1 lady emailed me privately and linked me up with another 2 more ladies. I can never conceive naturally because of DH. I have to go through IVF with donor. We can never have our own biological children. If I don't want to go through IVF, our only way to have kids is to go through adoption. If not, stay childless.

I took a week off from work at that time. I kept asking why this thing has to happen to me. Why do I need to go through IVF with all the poking of needles and surgery (ER) when he's the one with the issue? I even had a selfish thought to divorce him and remarry another healthy man so that I don't need to go through IVF. But is that really what I want? I was 32 years old and DH was 34 years old then. From his physical appearance, one can never tell he has such issue. He is so young and why? We went around consulting doctors. We had been to TMC under Dr Paul Tseng (where we found out our case), TTSH (Prof Chia) and NUH (Prof Wong). Lastly we ended up at KKH to do IVF because only Dr Tan is genuinely empathetic and patient with us. Till date, we still do not have an answer why he has such issue.

In fact my anger wasn't really targeting at DH. I felt more sorry and sad for him and I have to very careful with my choice of words because I can't bear to hurt him further. We took some time off in 2012 and 2013 to go travelling together. We went to many countries within those 2 years.

You know sometimes it's so hard to say, "Our child", knowing very clearly the child does not carry any genetic material of his. Now you probably also understand why my parents were not supportive at all for me to go through IVF and why his parents had no pressure for us to have kids.

Friends and relatives keep asking us when we want to have kids. We have to lie with our eyes wide open and that's a torture! :(

We turn to God for peace, strength and courage for everything that we do. I chose him as my DH. Our union is a blessed sacrament from God. We vow to love each other, take care of each other, be there for each other till death do us apart.

Try to think back your marriage vow and try to work with each other to make things work.

So for sisters out there, I understand that you have health issues such that you can't conceive naturally and have to take up the IVF route. But if your case is in such a way that you can still use your own eggs and sperms, it is already a blessing! For me, though I'm healthy and normal, I don't even have a choice. So 加油 everyone! :)

There can be miracles when you believe. Though hope is frail, it's hard to kill. Who knows what miracles you can achieve. When you believe, somehow you will. You will when you believe.
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faithfullyyours said:
Snoppy77 and Gan1972,

My spotting seemed better after the progesterone shot. There isn't much flow but when I wipe, there is still stain. The stain now is like sticky (3/4 transparent &1/4 pink/red). The cramp is gone too.
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Faithfully yours when you go for blood test tomorrow, let the nurse know about your spotting.
I myself have a acare this morning when I do my business and find the bowl filled with blood. First thought was that's it , my 2ww is over but later realize blood was not from front.
 
gan1972 said:
Faithfully yours when you go for blood test tomorrow, let the nurse know about your spotting.
I myself have a acare this morning when I do my business and find the bowl filled with blood. First thought was that's it , my 2ww is over but later realize blood was not from front.
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Gan1972,
Thanks thanks! :) I will let them know.
 
FaithfullyYours,

Sorry to hear. Is it zero sperm at all? One of my colleagues had that issue and they were almost on the verge of getting hubby's brother's sperm. But they went to thailand and managed to do the surgery to extract a few sperm from his testicles. As wife was young, they succeeded 1st ivf, and had 2nd child w the FET.

The miraculously, thinking he has no sperm they didn't bother with protection and they conceived naturally w the 3rd child 2 years later. So now they are blessed with 3 beautiful children from an initial diagnosis of no chance.

In this case, the doctors here all in SG believed he shldnt bother w the surgery.

I know this may be different from your hubby's situation. Just sharing in case this may help anyone as well.
 
Anyway, just something to share. I read a lot of blogs online and watch a lot of videos on YouTube. I think we, Asians sometimes need to be as open as the Caucasians. But I understand it's hard.

Quite a refreshing perspective from this Caucasian lady who eventually gave up IVF and opted for adoption.

She said, "After going through a failed IVF cycle, we have decided not to go through IVF again as IVF has put a toll on us. We realise that what we want is a family and not a pregnancy."

In a video, I also saw a Caucasian couple adopted a Chinese girl. They have 3 other daughters. First daughter is the daughter of the husband and ex Shanghainese wife. Second and third daughter are their own biological daughters. Fourth is the adopted Chinese girl. All of them live in Beijing.

I also saw my Caucasian client who brought her adopted Vietnamese daughter to my workplace too and when her daughter called her mummy, suddenly I just felt there is no difference in the nationality, race and skin colour. :)
 
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FaithfullyYours,

Sorry to hear. Is it zero sperm at all? One of my colleagues had that issue and they were almost on the verge of getting hubby's brother's sperm. But they went to thailand and managed to do the surgery to extract a few sperm from his testicles. As wife was young, they succeeded 1st ivf, and had 2nd child w the FET.

The miraculously, thinking he has no sperm they didn't bother with protection and they conceived naturally w the 3rd child 2 years later. So now they are blessed with 3 beautiful children from an initial diagnosis of no chance.

In this case, the doctors here all in SG believed he shldnt bother w the surgery.

I know this may be different from your hubby's situation. Just sharing in case this may help anyone as well.
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Ron8129,

Yes DH was diagnosed to have unobstructive azoospermia with very high FSH of 38. All doctors whom we had consulted said due to the extremely high FSH, the chances of retrieving sperms from him are very very slim. Even if sperms can be retrieved, they might not be viable sperms qualities.

Men's FSH level is different from women's FSH level. Ours will fluctuate according to our menstrual cycle whereas men tend to be quite consistent. His case is like as if he's going through menopause now. The brain signals the testicles to produce sperms but his testicles are not able to do so and that explains the very high FSH. DH's case is termed as primary testicular failure.

Does your colleague's DH have unobstructive azoospermia?
 
Faithfullyyours,

Not sure what it was called coz these things he shared during lunch and didn't go into detail (my colleagues didn't know I was ivfer so I didnt ask too much). he basically said he had no sperm but the thai doctor told him if they can even find 10 sperms they can work with it as wife was healthy (around 30 at that time). He's close to 50 then. So they did it as a try and did get a few swimmers. But he reiterated ALL the best doctors in SG told him dun bother so they were already on the path of flying the brother back from overseas to SG to donate when wife suggested another opinion outside SG. I guess my point is Don't give up if you want to give it a try.

But I agree w you. I see any couoles w clearly adopted kids these days esp caucasians. when the kid calls them mummy/daddy, there is no more colour difference. Love knows no boundary.
 
Is it normal to have white/yellow sticky discharge?

Not those sticky where you can stretch. I saw it just now on my toilet paper. A very small one.
 
Hi ladies..I have been having spottings every since AF reported after a failed cycle a week ago..it's brownish in colour and looks like old blood..is it normal?spotting one week after AF looks abnormal and I am afraid there might be serious problems..gas anyone experienced this before?
 
Hi sisters,

I need some advice. I have an miscarriage 2 years ago (natural conceive but heartbeat stop at 8 weeks).
After 1 year of TCM (tan siew bouy) still no luck. When for a sperm test and hsg last dec and found out hubby sperm swim slower and shape not so good. Decided to do ivf in mar but work schedule not allow so postpone to april. Unfortunately just heard tat my doc loh sf going holiday in april. I really feel like just go ahead with the backup doc (which I dont know who). For those sisters that have succeeded, do u think it matters with which doctor doing the procedures. My work schedule to go in may/june may not be so ideal.

:( really get very upset as I really look forward this april for my new hope but seem like many hurdles in my ttc..... I am also 35 this year, dont want to keep dragging...
 
hopesheep said:
Hi sisters,

I need some advice. I have an miscarriage 2 years ago (natural conceive but heartbeat stop at 8 weeks).
After 1 year of TCM (tan siew bouy) still no luck. When for a sperm test and hsg last dec and found out hubby sperm swim slower and shape not so good. Decided to do ivf in mar but work schedule not allow so postpone to april. Unfortunately just heard tat my doc loh sf going holiday in april. I really feel like just go ahead with the backup doc (which I dont know who). For those sisters that have succeeded, do u think it matters with which doctor doing the procedures. My work schedule to go in may/june may not be so ideal.

:( really get very upset as I really look forward this april for my new hope but seem like many hurdles in my ttc..... I am also 35 this year, dont want to keep dragging...
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Hi hopesheep,

If I were you, I will stick to Dr Loh.

I was supposed to start in Nov 2013 but because I'm supposed to be on long protocol, by the time I'm scheduled to do ER, it will clash with KKIVF's lab closure. So I postponed to Dec 2013 but I was informed that Dr Tan will be on leave for 2 weeks around CNY period which I'm scheduled to do ER. And so I postponed to Jan 2014.
 
Hi faithfully,

I know. Thanks fof sharing.This is my first ivf cycle I need a good supports. But may/june is my company budget period (I am a finance manager) really dont know how to tell my boss. Aug will be too late cos my validity test due. Also I have a irregular 35-45 cycle.. Actually I have try all methods, temperature, chinese herb, ovulation kits and plus previous m/c, I feel hopeless and dare not think ivf will succeed for me. But I just dont want regret in life and want to give it a try... just dont understand why these journey is so tough for me...even ready for ivf, but doc not available. :(
 
hopesheep said:
Hi sisters,

I need some advice. I have an miscarriage 2 years ago (natural conceive but heartbeat stop at 8 weeks).
After 1 year of TCM (tan siew bouy) still no luck. When for a sperm test and hsg last dec and found out hubby sperm swim slower and shape not so good. Decided to do ivf in mar but work schedule not allow so postpone to april. Unfortunately just heard tat my doc loh sf going holiday in april. I really feel like just go ahead with the backup doc (which I dont know who). For those sisters that have succeeded, do u think it matters with which doctor doing the procedures. My work schedule to go in may/june may not be so ideal.

:( really get very upset as I really look forward this april for my new hope but seem like many hurdles in my ttc..... I am also 35 this year, dont want to keep dragging...
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For me, i will rather feel upset and wait for my doc to be available. I wont be comfortable having other docs who have no contact with us before and just proceed the procedure. The level of trust and confidence towards them will be very low and i guess that will also affect my emotions throughout the cycle.
 
hopesheep said:
Hi faithfully,

I know. Thanks fof sharing.This is my first ivf cycle I need a good supports. But may/june is my company budget period (I am a finance manager) really dont know how to tell my boss. Aug will be too late cos my validity test due. Also I have a irregular 35-45 cycle.. Actually I have try all methods, temperature, chinese herb, ovulation kits and plus previous m/c, I feel hopeless and dare not think ivf will succeed for me. But I just dont want regret in life and want to give it a try... just dont understand why these journey is so tough for me...even ready for ivf, but doc not available. :(
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Depends on individual. I weigh my IVF more important than my job. If my boss doesn't allow me to go when I need to go, I'm the kind who is prepared to throw the letter to my boss. To me, I can always find another job.

So it really depends on which is more important to you.
 
hopesheep said:
Hi faithfully,

I know. Thanks fof sharing.This is my first ivf cycle I need a good supports. But may/june is my company budget period (I am a finance manager) really dont know how to tell my boss. Aug will be too late cos my validity test due. Also I have a irregular 35-45 cycle.. Actually I have try all methods, temperature, chinese herb, ovulation kits and plus previous m/c, I feel hopeless and dare not think ivf will succeed for me. But I just dont want regret in life and want to give it a try... just dont understand why these journey is so tough for me...even ready for ivf, but doc not available. :(
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Did u discuss with dr on your start date? He is away for few days maybe can get med to delay your AF?
 
Meilingg/faithfully & jumbo girl,

Thanks for your listening ear. I feel better now with more supports and advices.
not many ivf friends or friends with ttc issues. feel great that I can share here.

Actually I planned to throw if first round not success.
 
Hi all,

Am having a miserable time - hands and feet are extremely swollen and painful and have broken out in hives. Been told to take antihistamine as Dr is worried my elevated immunity may kill the embryos. So worrying.

@hope sheep, what about July then? If you do it then still in time ya? I think you should speak with Dr Loh - he's planning to be out the entire month?!?
 
iloveshoes said:
Hi all,

Am having a miserable time - hands and feet are extremely swollen and painful and have broken out in hives. Been told to take antihistamine as Dr is worried my elevated immunity may kill the embryos. So worrying.

@hope sheep, what about July then? If you do it then still in time ya? I think you should speak with Dr Loh - he's planning to be out the entire month?!?
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It must be real torturing. How come your hands & feet are so swollen? You are now on 2ww? Please take good care.
 
iloveshoes said:
Hi all,

Am having a miserable time - hands and feet are extremely swollen and painful and have broken out in hives. Been told to take antihistamine as Dr is worried my elevated immunity may kill the embryos. So worrying.

@hope sheep, what about July then? If you do it then still in time ya? I think you should speak with Dr Loh - he's planning to be out the entire month?!?
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Call your clinic for support on what they shld advise you.
 
Hopesheep, I think jumbo girl has a point. See if u can talk to Dr loh to work something out. If it is long protocol, u can start oral medication and lucrin jabs without the dr being around. Scans only start during stimulation stage.
 
I love shoes, please take care. Do u have a tcm doc. Maybe she can help. For me, if I can, I rather give herbs a chance before taking western medicine. I remember reading that preggie might have hives. But weird about swollen feet and hands
 
Already told to take piriton which is an antihistamine as dr concerned my body may attack the embryos.

Going to fire up my computer and clear some work from home. Feeling guilty even on MC! Was planning to go to a shoe sale today but swollen feet how to buy shoes?

Faithfully yours, hope your bleeding has subsided!
 


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