IVF/ICSI Support Group

[pinkfreesias]

Nancy, PandaWife ... thanks for the encouragement and advice.

I'm not sure if I'm able to take the stress. After reading the processes, I felt that you girls are so so strong.

 

[rinang]

Pink,
Before I decided to embark on ivf, I also thought I will not be able to handle all the jabs, medication, stress etc. It also doesnt help that I am highly sensitive to medications. So I am prone to side effects that doesnt occur normally.

But the determination of wanting to have our own children made me and my hb decide to take this major step forward. With that as a motivation in mind, it makes all the sacrifices worth it.

Its important that you discuss with your hb. After that, find a doctor that both of you are comfortable with.

It is definitely not easy, but we all look forward to holding our own baby one day.

 

[gan1972]

Pandawife, thanks for the info, Dr Loh did comment that i have low fertilisation rate for IVF as I only have 3 embryos. ICSI was better for me.
But he never mentioned what was the acceptable percentage

 

[funny_bunny]

hi rostrum, like what suyana mentioned, your fertilization rate is considered good. As for your concern of D5 freezing, maybe you can discuss with Prof on your next visit and see what he says about D2-D3 freezing.

 

[rinang]

Gan,
You already tried ICSI and the results were better? My case is ICSI liao, still low fertilisation.

 

[gan1972]

panda, i have got 31 follicles retrived during ER, dunno how many got mature eggs. Dr loh just mentioned he did icsi and ivf. So assume 50% ivf, i only have 3 embryos out of the 15 follicles assume all has eggs. I never asked him the percentage of fertilisation as i was overwhelmed by the embryos pic when he was telling me all this info during ER. But due to the low fertilisation for ivf, he suspect that is the reason for my so iui failure

 

[tickles]

Gan,
I also feel I visit the ATM very often too.. Just went to see DR Zou on sat with dh.. Thank god, Dr Zou told us that DH only need to go for acu once a week now. While for me still twice a week.. So can save some $$. And bcos of CNY, I have been buying alot5 of new clothes.. Think I'll faint when I see my crdit card bills this month...

Pandawife,
So when are you starying your next cycle with CARE Paragon again?

Meow,
Think you're too stressed up.. Perhaps, stop taking BBT. Its a stressful thing to do.. If you want to see your cycle and when you will Ovilate, Maybe just use the OPK strips? I find that less stressful. As for your slp, maybe take warm shower before you slp? Use those relaxing shower foam, off the lights to make it more condusive for slp.. Hope it helps.. Most imptly, try to relax..

Rostrum,
Sorry to hear abt your news.. Cry out, you'll feel better after that.. You were with SGH for this cycle and intend to switch to KKH? Did you try TCM? If no, maybe you can try it out before you embark in your next cycle.

Pink,
Block tubes and be flushed and cleared . Maybe can check with your gynae. Are you also considering CARE @ Paragon? Which doc are you with now? For my case, I went to my gynae and she refer me to CARE @ Paragon for the IVF. CARE will help me managed the eggs and the sperms.. Do ther fertilisation and ICSI. But then the ER and ET and all the check ups, I will still do it with my doc..

 

[tickles]

Ladies,
I just went for my review with my doc on sat. Got back my embryo report. Doc was puzzled why IVF did work out for me too. I retrieved 35 eggs, 25 matured and 15 fertilised by ICSI. I saw the report I only have grade 1, 2 and 3 eggs. Of which grade 2 and 3 are not fertilised and are all being discard. I forgot to ask the gynae of the grading. Not sure if grade 1 is better or grade 3 is better. But when I gave Dr Zou the report, she told me that due to diff grading systems of different hospitals, everybody's grading system is different. For KKH grade 5 is the best and glenE grade 1 is the best, after seeing my report she feels that for my clinic, grade 1 is the best.

What is puzzling is that I transferred both grade 1 blastocyst embryos, my lining was 11.5mm and I'm only 26. Both Dr Zou and Dr Tan were puzzled why IVF didnt worked for me.

Dr Tan was telling me that for my case, she was actually quite shock cos I'm her 1st patient who was alright with everything, lining, support and eggs all ok. But after ET, my progesterone level support suddenly plunged very drastically. That time I rem I had to immediately go back to take the oil based progesterone jab.. But then it still didnt work. Perhaps lady luck really wasnt on my side..

Hopefully with all the acu and TCM medicine, I'll be able to strike in my FET in Mar. I have asked Dr Tan if she will be doing natural or medicated FET for me and she told me that she will monitor my next cycle before she decides. But Dr Zou told me that if can do natural best to do it, Cos according to her, higher % of her patients doing natural FET striked during their 1st try.. So maybe you ladies can give it a thought if you are doing FET.

 

[diveera]

Gd morning ladies, it is a brand new week and wishing all a good week ahead.

Rostrum, sorry to hear your result. Hope you will come to term with it soon and start trying again. Don't give up. It takes me several months to get it over before starting the FET and it is a success. Wishing you success in your next cycle.

Pink, it is undeniable true that IVF is tiring and stressful but keep focus on your objective and with lots of support from DH, families and closed friends, you will get thru. That is the beauty of this forum to encourage one another! It is not an easy decision but i tell myself that if I don't try, i might regret in future for not trying so I take the bold step to proceed.

I transferred 3 frozen embryos last Fri by Dr SF Loh. 1 is grade 4 and the other 2 is only average. Dr commented that the shell is quite thick so he did assisted hatching by poking holes round the shells. That procedure alone cost abt $500+, total FET fee is $1,600+ (incl. assisted hatching). Result scheduled on 1 Feb.

Wishing luck to ladies going for test this week and may everyone can proceed to the next stage!

 

[tickles]

Diveera,
Hope to hear good news from you soon. Meanwhile take good care of yourself and rest well.. BFP BFP BFP soon!!!

 

[rinang]

Tickles,
I am supposed to start the growth hormone jabs this coming sat. But I am feeling uneasy about it, I tink its becoz on Sat the nurse show me the needles, then I freaked out abit. Now I am tinking of starting after CNY instead. At least can enjoy CNY first... I have been having nightmares about ivf since sat night, sunday naps and sunday night...

Called CARE just now, waiting for the nurse to return my call to discuss if its alright to delay one more month.

Gan,
Thanks for sharing the info. You have any frozen embryo out of the 3?

 

[princess_jasmine]

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[tickles]

pandawife,
Dun stress yourself too much. You have gone thru it once.. You can do it k.. Oh, try acu if you can. Surprisingly, my gynae encourage me to do it.. So I think it'll help to a certain extent too.. Do it only when you are really. Meanwhle can do acu if you can to tiao your body and make it stronger. Start after CNY.. Jia you!!

 

[skies06]

Ladies,

Im starting to get worried.. Im suppose to do ET early Feb. But after reading through d posts, best grades embryos cant stick, etc.. Plus many of you say that natural FET is better than medicated but d nurse told me medicated has a higher %. I cant help to get worried.

 

[manolo]

Hi ladies, I'm new here.... been a silent reader these past few weeks.... amazing how much info i can get from this Forum... my 2ww is ending today, and tomorrow is BT. Yikes....

 

[babychloe]

Hi gals,
This morning went for a pregnancy test as a standard procedure and as expected it is -ve.....Though its a cruel fact bt I still got to face it...Life still goes on right?

Gan,
Ok, think will go to her to tiao my body first and perhaps take a break first..I need to be happy, ready and relax enuff to try another time...and I believe it will take a long time...cos its a big blow for me honestly...No matter how well I tell myself to be mentally prepared for failures...bt when reality hits, I still cannot take it too well...

Pink,
IVF is not really tiring...actually during the injection period, I find tt it is still manageable...except during stage 2 u got to travel more often to hospital for scanning..bt I find its still ok...and some mild side effects are like mood swings, bloatedness...
As for emotional...I tink the worst is result time...2ww to me is still ok cos I watch drama serials most of the time or chit chat on the fone..

bunny,
I will check wif Prof on wat cld hv happen? For my case, I suspect there is no implantation at all....anyway dh is quite determined not to do it in NUH for our next round...anyway I still hv time to tink over since I m not ready to try it again v soon...

Tickles,
I m wif NUH currently..I still hv not decided to switch to KKH or not...and also duno when or whether I will try again? Decide to take a break first..meanwhile will go to Dr Zou to tiao my body back first...
Which hospital are u with?

Diveera,
Thanks and congrats to yr successful FET...for my case, I got to do another fresh cycle...wif everything all over again...tts y I m tinking hard whether I hv the courage to try again or not? Are u wif KKH?

pandawife,
Dun be stressful....follow yr heart and do it when its ready ok?

 

[babychloe]

Hearts,
Wish u all the best in yr BT tml...so which hospital are u wif?

 

[skies06]

rostrum,

Rest well during this period of time ba.. Try keep yourself happy..

 

[manolo]

Thanks Rostrum.... sorry to hear about for your -ve test result... I know how it feels... I am with Mount E, and this is my second IVF cycle.

 

[babychloe]

skies,
I m still learning...not easy yeah after a failure...and IVF is our last resort le...still din work out...mabbe time is not ripe yet...

Hearts,
Icic...Mount E must be v exp hor?
Hope u succeed in yr 2nd cycle...BFP BFP BFP!

 

[skies06]

rostrum,

I guess it will b hard initally. IVF is also our last resort.. Let's jia you together.. Maybe tis time u can conceive naturally.. Don think too much for now..

 

[tickles]

Rostrum,
I'm with CARE @ Paragon.. Rest well for this period and tiao your body k...

Hearts,
Who is your gynae? So are you excited abt your BT tml?

Skies,
Alamak, dun get worried cos you saw my post.. I guess its up to individual. Actually Dr Zou did tell me it doesnt mean the best grade embryo will be successful as the grade only det by the outlook of the embroyo. Its the number of cells that det if the egg is good. But then one thing is that she advise me to go for natural if I can.. cos most of her patients doing natural FET usually strike.. Then she told me if do natural FEt can also try to BD on our own to increase the chance..

 

[babychloe]

skies,
It is really hard indeed...Sorry to spoil everyone's mood...bt I cannot stop crying...though I noe it is a -ve result...bt when the nurse cal me jus now abt it, my tears still drop uncontrollably though I already noe it...sigh! Will jia you de! u 2!!!

 

[manolo]

Stay positive rostrum and you will get there!! I find it useful to have a review session with the doctor and the embryologist... and from there your doctor will tweak your next cycle to improve it... My second cycle results are much better than the first, but still, it's a nail-biting experience.

I don't actually know how Mount E prices compare to the other hospitals. My first cycle was with TFC and the price was about the same. I found Mount E to be a lot more detailed and meticulous than TFC though.

 

[babychloe]

Tickles,
Hw do u noe yr progrestrone level support drop after ET? U do any BT aft tt to check on progrestrone level? Mabbe mine also?

 

[manolo]

Hi tickles, I'm with Dr Suresh Nair. I'm more worried than excited... wondering if I should POAS tomorrow morning before heading to the clinic. At least if it's bad news I am mentally prepared and won't end up bawling my eyes out...

 

[babychloe]

Hearts,
Icic...never mind, yr 2nd try will work out...hv faith...do share yr good news wif us soon...

 

[babychloe]

Hearts,
Wat is POAS?

 

[manolo]

Pee on a stick =))

 

[rinang]

Tickles,
I was asking Angela on Sat if I should go for acu and if it would help my situation. First qn she ask me is if i m scared of pain. I told her i very scared of needles. Her advise is acu is suppose to help me relax, if I scared of needles, i won't be relax, then no point to go.
I will most likely start after CNY... not ready to start daily jabs this weekend..

Rostrum,
You are very brave gal. After I was tested negative, i cried for almost a week. Go do and eat the things that you were unable to during the 2ww and pamper yourself. Make urself happy!

Skies,
Sometimes too much information works in the reversed direction. I suppose we have to trust the doc whom we have selected and take the risk. Ivf is not 100% guaranteed success and I tink alot of it has to do with luck and fate. I keep telling myself, if i am not fated to get pregnant now, I will try again. i am sure one of the tries will be successful. At least you can do FET, that is already an advantage as compared to starting fresh!

 

[skies06]

rostrum,

Don worry bout spoiling any1's mood here. This thread for us to vent our feelings, etc here. Muz stay positive..

tickles,

I know its all depends on individual. but smtimes cant help to think. plus im a worrier in nature.. Will try not to think too much for now.

 

[tickles]

Rostrum,
cos before the ET, they draw my blood for test.. Then I did the Et and went back.. Ard 7pm, they called and tell me that my support suddenly plunged.. They knew it plunged bcos all the while they have been taking BT for me.. So ask me to quickly go back to take the jab..

Hearts,
Agree that its feels like butterflies in the tummy when waiting for the results.. Maybe test b4 u go tml, at least already mentally prepared. But then urine test also not totally accurate when its so early. Even if really -ve when u test in the morn, there might still have chance. If already positive, then u can also happily walk hand in hand with Dh to the hospital.

 

[tickles]

Pandawife,
Actually hor acu is quite relaxing, you cant even feel the needle on u.. Just that I was a little shock that there is current gg thru the needle to make it jump.. 1st session, I was tensed. After that I can still fall aslp..

 

[babychloe]

Hearts,
If u wan to prepare yrself mentally, u can try...bt I tink a BT will be more accurate...

Pandawife,
I cried since Sat le...so today is already the 3rd day of crying and I m not sure when I will really get over it...I m not tt brave...I lok brave bt weak inside honestly...Dh also v sad tt he din go to work today...He din show it bt I noe it...its even harder for him to conceal his feelings and at the same time got to console the crying me...

 

[tickles]

skies,
Alamak,
I feel so guilty posting my message now.. Forget abt my message k.. YOu are supposed to relax yourself now that u are starting.. Must think positive.. You will be enjoying pregnancy soon..

 

[babychloe]

Tickles,
Ic...I not sure whether NUH did tt bt I suspect not...I tink my support plunge also...cos despite inserting the crinone gel, my AF report on D9 aft OR...Like u, my everything seems ok too....my lining is 12mm on OR and Prof says its really good for IVF...bt strange tt things dun work out well...sometimes I wonder whether issit I got retroverted uterus tt cause the failure...bt according to most gynaes and docs, they say it wun affect at all...

 

[tickles]

Rostrum,
You and DH go and slp.. Sleeping helps u rest and not think of the sadness. After both of u wake up, go for a movie and a good meal.. Reward yourself for trying hard this cycle.. Tell yourselves, next one will be better.. Who knows.. Maybe next month, u strike naturally..

 

[skies06]

Tickles,

Don feel guilty la.. Im trying to stay positive.. Tt day when I went for scan, d couple previous me undergoing d same program as me got a pair of twins so i think be it natural or medicated it will work for for any of us, right..

 

[babychloe]

pandawife,
I agree wif tickles, acu is not painful...I fall asleep almost every session last time when I tried it...

 

[pooh_baby]

rostrum - hugz for you ... take ur tyme to grief but muz move on ok ... it is ok to cry it loud but trust me that u wld feel better after that ... talk to ur closest friends and even ur mum as the emotional support is impt. u can also PM me if u want too ... the impt thing is to talk to ur dear hubby on the next step u guys are willing to take ... I had been there with dear hubby but we had get thru together with each other support .... now i'm already preggy after my 2nd IVF.....

skies - dun wory to much as u only need one embroyo to stick and also the grading as we had another sista from this forum who BFP when the grading is not so good ... the impt thing is to take care during 2WW ... do not walk to much in the 1st few days as it is the implantation period and rest as much as possible .... I only came out twice during my 2WW for my blood test and BTT .... I did not even do any housework as everything was taken care by dear hubby ... be happy also during 2WW and talk to ur embies daily to stick tight2 to you ... God bless and gd luck

do accu wherever possible

Diveera - congrats

 

[manolo]

Thanks ladies for the support. It's SUCH a relief to be able to talk about it to someone other than my mum and DH... I really shoulda joined this forum much much earlier!

I am much hope for this cycle, because it felt so different from the last one. But at the same tiem, trying not to hope too much... So tiring this mind game!

Rostrum, crying is good. Helps you get over the experience. Come back stronger and better than before. Take some time, go out and pak tor with DH!

 

[tickles]

Rostrum,
I dunno leh. Cos as soon s the report came back and they saw that my support plunged, they ask me go back immediately le.. Its already 7pm and they say nvm, they will wait for me.. The plunge will affect the support as well as the lining.. Maybe u check with your doc during the review 2 weeks later..

 

[babychloe]

skies,
Dun worry too much...trust the professionals and pls dun compare wif all of us here...every one is different...so be +ve ok?

 

[tickles]

skies,
Yes.. That's the right attitude.. Be itnatural or medicated.. Its programmed specially for us.. So stay positive k.. Its will work this cycle!!

 

[pooh_baby]

Ladies - always remember that when u are faced with BFN ... alway remember that it is not meant to be ... I quote what my dear hubby says before ... "mayb the embroyo is imperfect and rather of giving us sumtink imperfect, God had taken it back to give us sumtink better later on in life ... the feeling is devastated and u will blame urself for not being able to BFP...

 

[pooh_baby]

Hearts - It also felt different when I go thru my 2nd cycle... mayb it is becoz I know what to expect already and I always tell myself to be positive and be hapy and thankfully it works for me and I'm sure that it will work for you too

 

[babychloe]

Tickles,
My dh is asleep now after some medication...he is hving mild cough and sore throat actually...
We will go to Dr Zou this afternoon...I tink the most impt thing now is to nurse back my health..I hv heavy AF since Sun...

 

[tickles]

zaza,
Hello!!! So u know if its singleton or twins already???

 

[skies06]

zaza,

I dont think i can don go out during 2ww. I scared i might go crazy at home plus think i cant take leave to b at home for so long. As for hsework, we will try to do our major spring cleaning b4 ET.

 

[babychloe]

Congrats zaza...Ya, I do feel much better after talking to close frens and dh...I tink dh is really v v supportive to me all this while and I m really grateful to him...I feel we are much more closer aft this failure..
Honestly, I m thinking not to embark on IVF anymore...cos I dun wish to go thru everything again..I might sound -ve....bt I feel I m happier this way...