IVF/ICSI Support Group

Hi mel,
thanks for the info, learn something new that ICSI babies are smarter. I only know that for the IQ part, if pre-mature babies will have slightly lower and slower development at the early years.
 


Hi all,

For those who had failed a fresh cycle earlier, do you get to know the reason from your gynae? I had 2 failed cycles earlier and was told maybe chromosomes issues so embryo could not develop after ET and thus no pregnancy.

For poor embryo quality or development, its usually due to poor egg since cannot be poor sperm right cos they will surely have selected the best sperm to fertilise already right?

I see that you all are discussing ICSI, is that better than IVF?
 
hi try again

did the gynae did some tests that indicate chromosomes issues?

sperm and egg plays a part on embryo development.

ICSI is part of IVF, instead of letting it fertilize on the dish naturally, ICSI is done by picking a sperm and injecting into the egg to assist fertilization.

Dont give up, keep trying. I am sure the next one will be a bfp.
 
Hi Ros and tryagain,
Welcome to the thread.

Hi Ros,
it's always good to say out your feelings or depression, feel free to share with us.
 
Mel,

What is POAS? I have yet to decide if I want to test using HPT first this weekend or not. The blood test is on Monday. Haiyoh,....decisions decisions. Right now I don't have any cramping or spotting...only frequent urinating and sore bbs. Okok o.....i better go stop all these scrutinizating again. That's what I do when I am too free.

Ok now, any order of any other cake?? to make my mind occupied hehee...

ponytail: banana walnut cake

tintedsky,

I just drooled too...from sleep heheh...thought of taking short nap at 9am and I just woke up now ! hehee
 
hi LFB
tks for replying! sori jus realised tat i typed ur initials wrongly..oppss sori.

are u seeing Dr loh kim gek at her clinic in people's park or thong chai?
i'm asking cos i was seeing tan siew buoy at thong chai some yrs back... i've stopped seeing her for a year or so coz of many reasons - i found it hard to discuss thgs with her & she doesnt explain much, plus she wasnt supportive of ivf, and also i wasnt diligent with brewing the herbs.

i called dr loh on the phone & told her that I saw dr tsb before, she advised me to continue seeing dr tsb - she mentioned sthg like its their policy that I cant change to see dr loh since i already started seeing dr tsb.. its not nice or sthg.

i asked dr loh wats her charges if see her at pple park. she said $48 for a wk's medicine. does she prescribe powdered herbs or herbs tat needs brewing?

now I'm not sure if I shd see dr loh as recc by thomson or try dr tan kian seng (at clementi) but my hubby not so keen abt clementi coz its far from our place.

how long hv u been seeing dr loh?
how frequent do u need to see her?
does she do accupuncture for u? i read that it helps with ivf.

sorri so longwinded and so many qns..
 
mystyy,

your BT date is only 3 days away from mine. I am thinking of doing a HPT this saturday. I also have the same symptom as you, sore boobs and frequent urination. I feel indigestion and bloatedness. I am so anxious. I took my last pregynl 1000unit booster shot this morning. So the earliest i can pee on a stick is 3 days from now.
 
yesterday i had this urge to go out and buy a dozen of hpt and start testing on 9pd2dt. I control the urge because i know how inconclusive the results are going to be. I am going to wait until the pregnyl is out of my system. ( 2500 takes 7 days, 1000 takes 2.8days)

I cant wait to pee on a stick but also super duper scared siah!
 
POAS -> Pee On A Stick

oh, tintedsky, mystyy, i am crossing my fingers, toes, legs and whatever else i can cross liao.. all the best!!
 
i keep reading conflicting information of duration needed for pregnyl to be out of system. Anyone knows how long it takes for 1000 unit of pregnyl booster to disappear from system?
 
tintedsky,

Same too. I am trying to keep myself sane. But I do not have the other 2 symptoms leh - indigestion and bloatedness. Only since yest a bit of constipation. I had a shot on day of FET, after that no more. Just taking crinone, utrogestan and progynova.

hahha..there i go again comparing symptoms.
 
sue, hopefaith - sigh... the clinic called me. my hormone levels still high so i have to continue with suprefact. fri going for another blood test... hope can go stage 2 soon. tonight and tomoro i still have to do 50ml suprefact
 
any ladies here had stage 1 that lasted more than 14 days. i may be going on at least 16 days...
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Hi Sue, yups it's down syndrome i m worried abt

Thanks Pony for the encouragement!

Guess I shld jus throw out these hypothetical worries and go attend the ICSI briefing at kkh.

Was told we need to pay $95 for the nurses' briefing. Are many of you with kkh ivf ? Shld i explore other ivf centres? Any recommendations?

I hv also made appt to see TCM Dr Tan Kian Sing as i read that he's good with male infertility. Anyone currently seeing him also?

thanks all!
 
Hi all,

I dont know who else i can turn to now. No one know I am doing this.
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This is my 2nd fresh cycle and currently i am in 2ww. Tomolo will be my BT but i have this feeling that i am not going to graduate. I have been having cramping feeling after ET. And i see blood just now.

Every fresh cycle i go through, although my blood test showing that i am responding well to medication but i do not have enough eggs at all.

The first cycle i have is 4 eggs, and only 1 managed to fertilize.

2nd cycle (current) i have only 1 egg out of 6 follicles and it managed to fertilize.

All my caretakers dont understand what happened because according to them i am young since i am 30 and all my follicles is of good sizes when retrieve and my FSH level is within normal range too.

The doc suggest that i will do a short protocol next time which i will be injecting Gonal F first which i believe is IVM. But this is also a trial and error situation. Does anyone know where i can do test on the functionality of ovarian since blood test is not working for me? My doc said that there is no way to test other than blood test.
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Lina,

High protein diet is eating lot of eggs , milk ensure & beans (since I am veg). Maybe it helped some, intend to continue this diet. Not sure if 2 week rest makes a difference, I have tried both taking MC the first time & working for few days the 2nd time - but taking full rest shouldn't harm atleast. Next time will do this too.

tryagain,

I have failed my 2nd cycle too , will be going for consultation today so will know more. But it is most likely embryo quality as I had 2 average grade embryos to transfer after collecting 9 eggs. Found some research on DHEA helping to improve quality but will check with doc first as there were some sites with warnings on its usage. Also wheatgrass, royal gelly & acupuncture supposed to help quality. There was a very good article by doctor who had fertility problems herself & after failed ivf's worked on improving her overall health - she had a interesting theory on how the uterus environment helps some in increasing egg quality. Reading the article gave me a lot of motivation, will try to find the link & post.
 
Mel,

Liked your theory on icsi babies & high IQ, be it true or not - No harm in believing so
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Ristin,

Think there is just as much risk of DS for a natural or ivf/icsi pregnancy. No point worrying about the unknown.
 
ponytail,
I paniced... my AF just came and my bloodtest is still half a week away..

and it was right after I have explained to you its normal to have AF after gonal-f...heeeeeeeee....
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but then, I called and checked with the nurse twice........ha..

finally I understood its ok...... because the hormon is supressed the eggs are not growing but it will still be there........ha..........

har... what a day.........
 
sunflower,

Don't give up as yet, all you need is one good embryo. And this may just be it.

My case has been similar, each time I had very few embryos for transfer with none for freezing & I am 32. Plan to work on improving quality before going ahead for any further rounds.
 
Dear Happyhippo,

Will answer your qns accordingly.

1.Are u seeing Dr loh kim gek at her clinic in people's park or thong chai?
-Depends. Sometimes when I am not working, I see her at Tong Chai. I started with her clinic first.

2.I'm asking cos i was seeing tan siew buoy at thong chai some yrs back... i've stopped seeing her for a year or so coz of many reasons - i found it hard to discuss thgs with her & she doesnt explain much, plus she wasnt supportive of ivf, and also i wasnt diligent with brewing the herbs. I called dr loh on the phone & told her that I saw dr tsb before, she advised me to continue seeing dr tsb - she mentioned sthg like its their policy that I cant change to see dr loh since i already started seeing dr tsb.. its not nice or sthg.
-Yep, the clinic will put you back to TSB. And honestly, TSB WILL NOT BE HAPPY if you ask to change doctor! (note my cap!) Dr Loh is a very soft spoken and gentle lady, so she quite scare of confrontation. Suggest don't put her through it.

3.I asked dr loh wats her charges if see her at pple park. she said $48 for a wk's medicine. does she prescribe powdered herbs or herbs tat needs brewing?
-Pills and liquid medication, super convenient.

now I'm not sure if I shd see dr loh as recc by thomson or try dr tan kian seng (at clementi) but my hubby not so keen abt clementi coz its far from our place.
-Be prepared to wait in Dr Loh's clinic. Pple queue up 1-2 hrs b4 she open, and her consultation per patient is 1hr, at least. But worth the wait. Just get familiar with Chinatown like nobody's busines.

4.How long hv u been seeing dr loh?
-Think I started 2005. Her med for male is really good, provided she can give you. Cos think only in Tong Chai. My BIL swears by it. She is my family's Chinese Physician, all my siblings and SIL see her when they are pregnant.

5.How frequent do u need to see her?
-Twice a month, that's the duration of the medicine.

6.Does she do accupuncture for u? i read that it helps with ivf.
-She don't do acupunture. Try Dr Zou in AMK. I go to her for it. Hubby too. DUnno whether acu or multi vits(Mega Man, Ginseng and Zinc-all GNC) hubby's sperm was super good. Our embryos were grade 1 and 2.

Hope I helped.
 
Hi AC,
thanks for the info.

Hi ristin,
i am with kkivf too, nurse briefing will explain to you the procedure, the cost, ask you to sign the forms. I recall the forms will check if you allow studies to be done to your ivf treatment, if anything should happen to you or spouse, how they would handle the frozen eggs, etc. The briefing should take around half an hour.
 
Hi AC

Please let know if you find out anything about DHEA. I failed 2 fresh icsi/ivf cycles. First time had 16 eggs, 8 fertilised but Dr. put in 3 embryos (8cell at D3) another 2 he said to see if they'd grow before freezing. The rest, he said all not viable. 2nd cycle, he changed the regime and only had 8 eggs, 2 fertilised and said to be very good but again the cycle failed. So I asked about using DHEA as also read that it's good for improving egg quality but was told that it's not available in SIN. So really keen to find out more.Thanks.
 
hi all,

i just saw the ivf support group. i myself have went thru all ways of trying to get pregnant. Thru Tan Siew Lan from Thong Chai. Taken Chinese herbs..... finally went thru IVF 3years back.

my first pregnancy was a pair of twin gals. they are 21/2yrs now. my 3rd kid also gal is 5months now. All from IVF.

PM me should you have anything to discuss.Thanks
 
sue- aiyo, kalang kabot. ask me can already mah. i asked doc why my AF not here, he said some patients will get some patients wont. so not that important. i think i'm like you too - small things also panic. like extending my stage 1. actually only extend 2 days, dont know why i so gan jiong. maybe meet you on fri
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but hope can really start stage 2 soon
 
hi all,
I'm a 'silent' follower of this thread.

hi Sunflower,
I'm in the 2nd stage of IVF (puregon injections). May I know, during the scans, your gynae already knew you had little number of follicles. Didn't he/she increase dosage of your injections or check if you still want to proceed? Do you have PCOS?...if one has that, one either has small number of follicles or many many follicles (two extremes), according to my gynae.

anyway, good luck and all the best for your test tomorrow. Jiayou.
 
Sunflower, same here! I also had few eggs despite being young (30yrs) and good no. of follicles when on stimulation stage. But somehow, little fertilised and never excellent grades, average only and so no implantation or pregnancy so far.

AC, thanks, if your managed to get some light from gynae tomorrow, can share?

Hopful88, Sunflower, AC, i was thinking of another possiblity. Could it also be our embryos are ok but could not hatch out thus no implantation? Then maybe we can opt for assisted hatching before transfer. Any of you gals checked this with gynae.
 
ponytail,
But you know, in nartual stage the eggs are already starting to grow during the AF. Thats why I paniced thought the eggs will already be selected and cannot have more than 1.. hehehehehe..

so what I understood was, the superfact surpressed the levels of E2 so the FSH is not created in my ovaries and no eggs will grow.
Thus, even when the AF comes there will be eggs but not growing. so by Gonal-f penetration the eggs will start to grow.
 
oh.. ponytail,

My check up is on Monday.............. I will be happy to see you there.. but.. for your sake I hope you will get to start Stage 2 earlier than me!
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Are you going in for another blood test on Friday?
 
Joyyy, your question is about whether gynae recommend increase injection dosage to increase to increase follicles right? I assume this is at the point of base scan, approx 5 days after start jabs?

Actually what i know is usually by the time gynae see our follicle response, at the stage of at least 5 days after injections, even if increase wont increase no. of follicles already, will only grow and mature whatever has been stimulated at this point faster.

Cos injections got 2 stages, first 5 days of jabs is recruitment stage where ovaries recruit as much follicles as possible. Then 2nd stage is growth and maturation stage where whatever quantity follicles already recruited will just start to grow bigger but wont have more newly recruited follicles liao.

Correct me if i m wrong.
 
Hi Tryagain,
yea, I was asking abt the injection dosage to increase follicles.

Really ah, by 5th day after injections won't increase no. of follicles already? ok, I didn't know. I thought during 1st scan, if follicles not responding to injections (ie number + size), gynae will up the dosage.
 
Hello Akachan, Comfort, Msytyy, Tintedsky and all in 2ww,

I m experiencing this feeling of tightening abdominal area the whole of today. I m worried since this is only 8dp2dt. Does this means anything? I just had my pregnyl yesterday together with my progesterone BT taken. Can i know wat is ur Progesterone BT level?

Sorry to bombard all these qns as i m kinda worried. I just hope my 2 little ones are doing great inside and have already successfully implanted.
 
Hi Hopfully,

Did you call your clinic to tell them what they are experiencing? Normally I will call them if something 'different' happens to me. So far I did'nt have like what you mention. Only frequent urinationg and sore bbs. At times, fluttering feeling in tummy area and occasional discharge. Since I do not go back to clinic for jabs, I do not know abt the progesterone BT level. Will know after the blood test.

If there's a 24hr hotline no maybe you can call to ask. Are you under pte or govt hospital? Coz if pte they would have answering service of which your queries will be directed to your doc and then your doc will give you a call back. Perhaps when you heard from your doc, that can ease your mind.
 
sue - this fri going for blood test. i hope i can move on to stage 2 too...

mystyy, bliss, hopefully - how many days of stage 1 did you go through ? is there an average ?
 
Hi ponytail,

I was on lucrin for 2 weeks then no more other jabs, coz I am on regulated cycle for my FET. The first fresh cycle, I was on short protocol. Should be around slightly less than 2 weeks on gonal F, then after that given cetrotide for abt 2 days if i'm not mistaken then finally the pregnyl jab 36hrs before ER.
 
Hi ponytail,
I started my lucrin on D21 and then continued when I started puregon on D5 of the new cycle, and only stopped lucrin on the day before I had the pregynl injection. So I think I was on lucrin around 14 days.
 
ponytail,
I think you dont have to worry too much about stage1 days increasing because they tested your blood test to check how much your E2 level is.

I think what they check is if the E2 level is at the right point to be penetrate with gonal-F
 
ladies..the nurse didnt say anything abt my hubby taking antibiotics...well will ask them on fri when im there to start on my puregon. why must hubby take antibiotics???
 
Ristin,
ICSI allows embryologist to select only the best sperms and eggs. On the contrary to what you said, ICSI babies should have higher IQ , cos they are specially selected. All our children will have high IQ, yeah!

Dear ladies,
I won't be posting for the next few days... Cos I'll be doing my ER tomorrow. ET should be next Monday! I'll be resting at my mum's place. Will keep you all updated during mid-2WW. Let's take good care of ourselves!
 
Dear Grace..thks so much..will take note of the antibiotics in case nurse does not mention any of it.
Ponytail- i am on d15 of lucrin and will continue it till Friday, then go kk to start the puregon but not sure if will still continue lucrin while on puregon..so dont worry cos if u count my days i will take lucrin for 17 days..hmmm..so i ges no need to worry rite?..i dnt even noe why they never ask me to just come dwn today to take puregon why wait to friday..i will coll them tmrw and ask them tis question.

By the way..when on stage 2 puregon..wat kind of diet shld i take?..i shld start with the egg whites??..raw egg whites rite?..
 
Dear Grace..thks so much..will take note of the antibiotics in case nurse does not mention any of it.
Ponytail- i am on d15 of lucrin and will continue it till Friday, then go kk to start the puregon but not sure if will still continue lucrin while on puregon..so dont worry cos if u count my days i will take lucrin for 17 days..hmmm..so i ges no need to worry rite?..i dnt even noe why they never ask me to just come dwn today to take puregon why wait to friday..i will coll them tmrw and ask them tis question.

By the way..when on stage 2 puregon..wat kind of diet shld i take?..i shld start with the egg whites??..raw egg whites rite?..
 
Sue - the follicles start growing during stage 2 rite on puregon??..for breakfast ist ok to just eat one slice of bread with cheese n drink milk n take folic?..is cheese good for follicle growing?
 



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