Autism in Toddler

dracano

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Tam,
That's an interesting test and my first time hearing it.
May I know why this test helps in determining if a kid is autistic?
Thanks.
 


littlesun

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hi Tam,

i tot normal kid will say under the sofa...how come the answer is opposite? is because normal kid dare not to tell the truth, they scare A will scold them?
 

ram

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hi dragon
is not really a test. i seen it on a tv show/video.. can't remember exactly. but it shows how autistic kid cannot 'stand' in A's shoes. he could not imagine that 'A' did not see B hid the mobile hence he thot tt the mobile is still on top of the TV.

hi littlesun

autistic kid would thot A saw what he saw too. ie B took the phone n hid under the sofa. hence they thot when A come back, A will look for the phone under the sofa.

for normal kid, they easily know tt A would not know tt it is under the sofa since A did not see since he was not there when B took it. they would expect A to search for the phone..
 

ram

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btw, this is not a 'test'. but observations on how diff kid react to the same situations.. just thot of sharing cos i thot it does somehow 'highlight' the diff between normal n asd kids..
 

ram

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hi all

i remember another situation - just to share.. say you have a pile of clothes folded neatly at the end of the bed/table.., n you accidentally knock onto it so u were trying to hold all the clothes from falling.. almost all normal kids will be very helpful and instinctly come n help to put back the clothes if they are standing near u.. but for asd kid, they might not know tt u need help n offer help. i did tis to my boy a number of times n yeah.. he is not 'helpful'.. i need to ask him to help.. but he is much better when get older. will help me pick up pen when i drop it without me asking him..
 

gucci_mum

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Thanks dragon. I thought that autism and social skill are somehow related. A more sociable kids more unlikely to have autism? Of course, it's still depend on the character of the child, some tend to be shy, while other tend to be more noisy.

If our child socialize with their siblings or cousin, classmate if they go enrichment, or even neighbor if we met them. This might help to open them?

Jus my thoughts, would like to know more.
 

dracano

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tam,
Thanks for the explanations and sharing. Think I understand the rational behind the 'test' now.
However, I feel this test might not be accurate since the responses could vary with the age of the kid and perhaps his/her character too. Still, a very interesting insight into how ASD kids may be thinking.

tired_mum,
You're welcomed.
From my knowledge, lack of social skills can be a sign for autism but being deprived of opportunities for a kid to socialise with other people should not lead to him or her becoming autistic, since autism is believed by many to be an in-born condition. Of course, nothing is 100% certain now since studies on autism are continually ongoing.

And yes, it will certainly be beneficial for your son to socialise with other kids to develop his social skills, so do provide the opportunities for him to socialise. The negative side would be him picking up undesirable habits from other kids, but that can be minimised with controlled monitoring.

Our kid's social skills started improving after he went to a childcare centre. Still not optimal but we can see good progress.
 

gucci_mum

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Hi dragon, thanks for the explanations. And thanks Tam for the illustration.

I've a friend's child who is Primary 2 this year, she seems to show signs of it since young. Always play alone, sometimes does not respond to us when we call her or asked her question. But we thought she's like her daddy, inherit his character. Till recently, her teacher asked if she has autism and my friend brought her to check. Result show she does not have autism.

May I asked how autism is being diagonse and how is it being treated later on?
 

littlesun

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dunno if i am too sensitive...i found that teachers seems dun like my son..may be my son very naughty at school or because they suspect my son have autism, since they told me like that b4. i have not yet told teachers i will bring my son for checkup this coming april..should i inform them or wait till the result come out? if result show yes, my son got autism..should i inform the teachers... as my son now still can cope with the homework even he is very active and not focus during the class, so i think will let my son continue the childcare first... but now just very worry childcare centre will reject him due to his condition.. possible childcare will reject him even he not yet confirm have autism?
 

momto3

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littlesun,
Mbe is not that the teachers dun like your son or rather they dun know how to engage him (cuz they are not SN trained ?) I will tell them if son is confirmed ASD n see whether they are willing to keep him there, rather then keep them in the dark, just my 2 cts
I have heard of cases whereby the cc will ask the kid to leave if they cant cope with the kid (even the kid is 'Normal', eg cant listen instructions etc).....
 

littlesun

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thx momto3, think you're right..it is not point to keep them in the dark.. can understand they may not willing to keep ASD kids if they dun have experienced to handle..but if kid is normal then there is no reason to reject them. every kids is different, how can teacher assume all kids behave well or they only choose to accept "easy handle" kids?? haiz..
 

momto3

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littlesun,

SN means 'special needs' trained, sadly not all teachers have the passion & patience for kids
 

lexnchris

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Hi all!! haiyo finally found the right thread.. anyone knows whether are there other affordable schools which we can go to while waiting for my gal to be sent to intervention and EIPIC school arranged by KKH? It's such a long wait... most of them like Touch needs doctor's referral letter. Am starting using PECS any mummies saw results can share? I'm really not good in my patience in regards to doing "homework" especially she's not keen in anything but watch tv. Already no time for myself no one helping me to take care of gal
 

jinjl

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Hi bb_blings
Finally found u in SMH!
Ordered a Pinny & Lounger Set from your BP last year.
No update on status & acknowledge of payment so far.
Pls let me know whether u received my tt of $73.
If your BP is not on, pls refund.

Many thanks
 

jazzieline

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My son was physically abuse by his teacher when he was 2 plus 3. I told that teacher he has ASD before I enrolled him to that school. I also mentioned to them if they can't handle him, I will withdraw him from school. I even told them is ok if he does not show improvement, yet they take the advantage of he have speech delay, abuse him and put the blame to my maid!!! Thank God he suddenly tell me one day when we passed by that school! I truly upset by this.
 

chopins

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Hi mummies...
My son was at first diagnosed with Global Development Delay, and now he is diagnosed with Autism. I'm currently pregnant with the 2nd boy. I'm worried that my 2nd one will get it oso..any mummies can share the experience?
 

jazzieline

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Dear, don't worry.
my 2nd boy is normal. What you should be worry is your elder one will bully the younger one and think is fun.
 

chopins

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Thanks Ann..what a relief to hear that...i was so worry that it will happen to the 2nd one...it's not easy...and expensive too will all these therapies.
My son like to bite...hope he doesn't go and bite his bro.
 

jazzieline

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we share the same problem. My son can't control his strength then holding his little bro's hand, we gotta keep remind him. Is your son currently under KK intervention? I agree with u, is very expensive.
 

chopins

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He's having it at thomson paediatric center cause when we first found out his condition, kk can only give us the slot 5 mths later... So we didn't wait for it. Now I'm adding in ABA therapy. Jus started so can't see the result yet. How old r your kids?
 

jazzieline

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You really invest a lot in therapy. I can't afford $1.8k per mth just on ABA. There is another one that I recently found out, you may interested too, is call bioresonance therapy. Go google it. My elder one is 3and half and younger one is turning 9 mths
 

chopins

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I found a reasonable home-based ABA therapy. They are charging $50 per hour. did u try the bioresonance therapy?
 

jazzieline

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Actually is about this price. 20 hours per week, add up to be about 1.8k per month. The one that I mentioned is also not cheap. But is the checking allergy part that I am keen with. I am also keen to try Thomson medical, as KKH is really testing my patient.
 

chopins

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ooo...I'm only engaging 1 session, 2 hrs per week...cause he has other ot, pt, and st...adding all these costs are not small...

u should try thomson paediatric center (TPC) at square 2. the therapist there yan xin (ot) and chay ling (pt) are good. btw, TPC are not affiliated with thomson medical center...
 

jazzieline

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Oh! I thought the do, thanks for the info. I called to make enquiry. At times is really confuse, as not sure what is really best for my child. When did u discover your child's condition?
 

chopins

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hi cobbie...hv pm u...

hi ann, sorry, was out of internet for a while..busy with the boy. he just had his eye op to correct his squint eyes ...it does help to improve his walking and motor skill...perhaps squint eyes r causing him to hv double vision
 

cobbie

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Hi chopins,

Thanks much !

Hi Ann,

Would you mind sharing with me your ABA therapy contact as well ? I like to make some comparisons before I decide.
Thank you.
 

darfyodin

Member
Hi Mummies! Just found a website that has a whole glossary of videos comparing regular babies/ toddlers and those with ASD.
http://www.firstsigns.org/
Categories broken down to different aspects of baby's development. It is lots easier to spot an ASD trait from the videos than to read about what to look out for.
 

wishy

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Dear Mummies

I'm the mother of a 23 month old tod. Recently brought him for his second MMR jab and he blew his tantrum at the PD clinic. PD then commented his high risk behaviour combined with speech delay may indicate autism. I refused to acknowlege and that was two days ago. When I returned, I started googling and found that my boy met a lot of the early symptoms. Eg. not babbling by 12 months, currently still on single words and his spontaneous vocab seem to be < 50. In fact, he does not verbalise his needs. If he wants milk, he'll pull my hand and throw it towards the milk tin. He used to point but now he doesn't. On top of that, and a very critical one is, he does not seem to respond to us calling his name. I never thought much of it but now, it is ringing loud and clear. His tantrums are terrible. Nowadays, he would cry the minute he woke up. Sometimes it's for milk and sometimes it's for tv. We used to attend to his needs straight away but nowadays, the tantrums has started elsewhere ie not getting the toys he wanted or cartoons that he want. He'll wail at the top of his voice, force himself to vomit and cry his lungs out. Plus he'll lie down and roll on the floor. Previously I thot he was just being naughty and started harsh disciplinary measures eg whacking on bump. But now thinking of it, my heart just bleeds. To think I have not noticed it earlier. I need some advice, mummies.
 

jazzieline

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Hi! Joan. You may go to polyclinic to refer your child to KKH. They will do all the arrangement for u, but u have to wait. Another way is to go to private center for early intervention. There are many books in library that teach parent how to handle behavior issue. In fact, being autistic or not, your child still your child, don't put the labeling too hard.
 

wishy

Member
Ann, thanks for your advice. Label is one thing, another is not knowing what lies ahead for my son makes me scare and freaky. Like every mother, I am hoping that he'll have a good life and enjoy everything that he endeavours.
 

jazzieline

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I was worried and confuse too. Tried to help, but seem not getting anywhere. To have support is good, then we know we r not alone to fight this battle.
I met a few autistic adult, they are doing well too, that gave me a little peace of mind. Hope this do encourage u a bit.
 

wishy

Member
Thanks Ann. Yes, that is encouraging. I'm glad there is someone who understands and can guide me on what I should do. My hubby told me to stop googling on the symptoms and just observe our boy so that when he goes for assessment we can provide our objective observations. That kept me focused. We have made appointment with KKH and is going private rather than via Polyclinic. BUt would like to do something NOW, is there anything i can do?
 

jellie

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Ann and chopins

My 27 mth old also has suspected mild autism. Can you share your home ABA therapy contact with me?

Thanks.
 

jazzieline

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Jellie, I did ABA myself. I am not professional train, I just want to save cost, as all this therapy are so expensive that i do not want to spend it. And I don't think it is fair for my 2nd child. Want to spend money on 2nd child for his education too.
so I went to national library to borrow this book, that gave me some idea to do it with my son.
as for contact, u can always google, there are currently some center that offering it in sg.
 

jazzieline

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Joan, I understand your frustration. Actually you may want to think of what do you want your child to improve at. Eg, speech? Etc. You can use picture method to guide him along. And speak aloud to him every move you or he made, eg: mommy walking! Milk! Mix milk! Etc.. Keep your centence short and speak slowly. U gotta be patient with him, as if u got frustrated, if your child is sensory sensitive, he will be upset and shut off. This is just some sharing that work with my boy, hope it helps!
 

wishy

Member
Ann, yes yes, you're so right. He had previously learnt quite a lot of words from tv, ipad but not accurate. We had since removed the passive gadgets as he is embedding himself in them to the point that it's obsession. So we removed the tv and hide the ipad. But he kept pestering for them, so I got stern with him and actually started some harsh discipline so he is rather averse I think 'shut off' with me. IF he wants milk, he'll run to Auntie and pull her hand. When we point to my pic, he doesn't want to call me. No jealousy or hurt on my part, just angry and upset that I had not recognised the signs earlier. I'm trying to avoid tantrums now at all costs now and it's slowly working. But now without the tv, he seemed so quiet, a bit recluse, lethargic which is so unlike the cheerful and active boy he was before. Dunno if I'm doing the right thing here?
 

jazzieline

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You have to observe closely to this change of behavior. It could be he is not feeling well, having some allergy reaction etc. Not sure if other autistic child behave the same way, but if my son show different behavior at home, eg: biting or chewing on non food object, I know there must be something not right. The auntie that you mentioned, is it your helper? Have he attend any childcare or play school? Put him in a school will help him in his social and emotional development. That will help him to develope his speech abilities. Let him play some threading toys, play dogh to built his fine motor skill and patient. It will be good if parent can do it with him than let your helper do the job. As your son will develope better if he can feel your love.
 



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