(2013/06) June 2013

[gymie]

Wow windy u r very efficient in updating the table!

 

[windyrain]

gymie: really depend if u are pantang anot.. some ppl nv believe it.. so they do it. Even if anything, they nv will think its becose they visited or so.

Another thing is your in laws or parent pantang on this? for me Grandparent and my inlaws ask me not to attend any of these full month, wedding etc during 1st tri. So i skip for all. For to good my bb which dun come easy for me.. i listen to them.

 

[janiz]

I just joined the group.

J***** T**g

Thanks

 

[liele]

Mummync, I just joined wendy L** thanks!!

 

[danger82]

Hi Windy,

Pls update for me too.

EDD: 15 June 2013
Baby #2
Gynae: Dr Woo Bit Hwa
Hospital: TMC
Location: Central

 

[mrsfit]

thank you roselle!!

Windy : i just joined group.. R**** W***

 

[nlimm]

W_w/ Morticia/ windy:
Congrat! Both having twins appear together. I thought I read wrongly that Windy(windyrain) is having twins!! Haha both abt w_w can change urs to windy1 keke if not confusing

Gynie:
Fr what I know is better don't but again if u not bantang go ahead. Plus can't even visit them during 1st mth confinement. But like what windy said its really up to u n ur family belief. For me I don't even invite ppls to come my Plc during my 1st trim coz 喜冲喜, and not sure if my previous gone coz of this, so for this pregnancy I'm super extremely bantang for 1st trim

 

[windyrain]

<table border=1><tr><td>No.</TD><TD>Nick</TD><TD>EDD</TD><TD>Gynae</TD><TD>baby #</TD><TD>Hospital</TD><TD>Location </TD></TR><TR><TD>1</TD><TD>Shan991</TD><TD>1-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Douglas Ong</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>West </TD></TR><TR><TD>2</TD><TD>Zoers</TD><TD>1-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr KK Ho</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt E</TD><TD>North/ West </TD></TR><TR><TD>3</TD><TD>Angel Ho</TD><TD>3-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Irene Chua</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>GlenE</TD><TD>Bishan </TD></TR><TR><TD>4</TD><TD>Erica Tan</TD><TD>3-Jun-13</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>5</TD><TD>sf8</TD><TD>3-Jun-13</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>6</TD><TD>KIS</TD><TD>3-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Don Wong</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>West </TD></TR><TR><TD>7</TD><TD>PL (babybp)</TD><TD>3-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Benjamin Tham</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>East </TD></TR><TR><TD>8</TD><TD>yveyve18</TD><TD>3-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Benjamin Tham</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>Northeast </TD></TR><TR><TD>9</TD><TD>ica</TD><TD>3-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Henry Cheng</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>GlenE</TD><TD>TBA </TD></TR><TR><TD>10</TD><TD>Jessica Tham</TD><TD>5-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr June Tan</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>KKH</TD><TD>Northeast </TD></TR><TR><TD>11</TD><TD>pinkberries84</TD><TD>5-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Ang</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>TBA</TD><TD>Central </TD></TR><TR><TD>12</TD><TD>My-Angel-Is-Back</TD><TD>6-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Choo Wanling</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>GlenE/ Mt A</TD><TD>West </TD></TR><TR><TD>13</TD><TD>Estherlss</TD><TD>6-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr John Tee</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>KKH</TD><TD>Yishun </TD></TR><TR><TD>14</TD><TD>Zaraa</TD><TD>9-Jun-13</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>15</TD><TD>Blurdopey</TD><TD>9-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Fong</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>GlenE</TD><TD>West </TD></TR><TR><TD>16</TD><TD>may</TD><TD>10-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Kang Wee</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>East </TD></TR><TR><TD>17</TD><TD>June</TD><TD>11-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Phua Soo Mear</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>East </TD></TR><TR><TD>18</TD><TD>valerie chen</TD><TD>11-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Han</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>KKH</TD><TD>Sembawang </TD></TR><TR><TD>19</TD><TD>Kome</TD><TD>12-Jun-13</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>20</TD><TD>FL</TD><TD>13-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Yeoh</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>GlenE</TD><TD>North </TD></TR><TR><TD>21</TD><TD>mschia_mrslim</TD><TD>13-Jun-13</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>22</TD><TD>KL84</TD><TD>14-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Benjamin Tham</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>Northeast </TD></TR><TR><TD>23</TD><TD>rosellecz</TD><TD>14-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Benjamin Tham</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>Central </TD></TR><TR><TD>24</TD><TD>missy</TD><TD>15-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Benjamin Tham</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>West </TD></TR><TR><TD>25</TD><TD>grace82</TD><TD>15-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Woo Bit Hwa</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>Central </TD></TR><TR><TD>26</TD><TD>Windyrain</TD><TD>16-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Kang Wee</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>North </TD></TR><TR><TD>27</TD><TD>mummy_relle</TD><TD>16-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Vincent Lee</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>Northeast </TD></TR><TR><TD>28</TD><TD>happy_gal</TD><TD>16-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Cynthia Kew</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>KKH</TD><TD>Yishun </TD></TR><TR><TD>29</TD><TD>Layn</TD><TD>17-Jun-13</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>30</TD><TD>jasmine</TD><TD>17-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr TM Chua</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>NUH</TD><TD>West </TD></TR><TR><TD>31</TD><TD>xp</TD><TD>18-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Adelina Wong</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>Northeast </TD></TR><TR><TD>32</TD><TD>mummync</TD><TD>19-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Benjamin Tham</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>Northeast </TD></TR><TR><TD>33</TD><TD>absentmama</TD><TD>21-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Tan Kim Teng</TD><TD># 3</TD><TD>KKH</TD><TD>Central </TD></TR><TR><TD>34</TD><TD>Janiz</TD><TD>23-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Benjamin Tham</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>Northeast </TD></TR><TR><TD>35</TD><TD>chloe_ng</TD><TD>25-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Kenneth Lee</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>West </TD></TR><TR><TD>36</TD><TD>dolliepollie</TD><TD>25-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Lawrance Ang</TD><TD># 3</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>Yishun </TD></TR><TR><TD>37</TD><TD>Chevelle</TD><TD>27-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Koh Cheng Huat</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>Northeast </TD></TR><TR><TD>38</TD><TD>gymie</TD><TD>27-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Chan KH</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>GlenE</TD><TD>Central </TD></TR><TR><TD>39</TD><TD>BearBaby</TD><TD>27-Jun-13</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>40</TD><TD>Vivi</TD><TD>28-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Geraldine Tan</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>North </TD></TR><TR><TD>41</TD><TD>wendy (w_w)</TD><TD>29-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Adelina Wong</TD><TD># 2 &amp; # 3</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>West </TD></TR><TR><TD></td></tr></table>

 

[angelfaithho]

Gymie i visit my fren when i'm 11 week plus.. I din touch or carry the bby..

 

[windyrain]

My Angel is back: Windy (w_w) change to wendy liao.. hehe! i am not so lucky to have twin.. The cost is high for twin too.. i think 1 is really fine for me.. hahah!

 

[nlimm]

Windy/Wendy:
Windy Gotcha hehe thxthx Wendy

 

[nlimm]

Windy/Wendy:
Windy Gotcha hehe thxthx Wendy

 

[gymie]

Windy, My-Angel-is-Back, Angel Ho:

Thanks for sharing regarding visiting newborns. Think I will give it a miss la...I quite paranoid one haha...

 

[beautydecay]

Mummync: I'm s** s***. Added fb long ago but haven't get accepted

 

[zoers]

I've attended 2 baby showers and carried their newborns.

 

[serkit]

windy..

thanks for e prompt update..mayb we should have an extra column for gender..

i noe my bb gender today... its another boy..

 

[estherlss]

KIS
How many week are you? I tot only turn 16-20 weeks then can tell the gender? I wish I can have boy this time that I can close factory. Lols

 

[janw]

Hi all, just would like to know whether can recommend a Gynae that has experience in high risk pregnancy. I am in the east side. Thanks.

 

[serkit]

Estherlss

Week 13...at e end of e ultra scan my Gynae says opps I saw something..u wanna Noe e gender..

Joked tt my boy leg open big big..I prefer girl then can close factory

 

[morticia_queen]

@ Kis

at week 13 can tell already?? that is pretty fast.. I am also pretty anxious to know the gender of my babies. cant wait. going for down syndrome scan tml. pray all its well.

 

[xlp]

Counting down to oscar scan on this sat. Pray...

 

[dotdot05]

Mummies, do your think it's safe to travel? Hb n I planning go bkk next mth.

 

[pinkberries84]

Usually gynae allow travel in 2nd trimester. Check w your gynae. Depends on ur condition also.

 

[mummync]

yeah chk w ur gynae..n gd to get ur gynae to standby letter that you can travel in case the airline ask or want it...i travelled in my 1st and 2nd tri during my first pregnancy..for leisure n quite often for work..so ok..jus listen to ur dr..

 

[serkit]

Morticia

Boy normally earlier..cos can see their rocket..

Jasmine

2nd tri can travel..provided u r in good condition..no spotting,etc

 

[saggiegirl]

hello mummies, i am also a June 2013 mummy....

 

[saggiegirl]

My EDD - 3 June 2013, under KKH Dr Khoo CK.

Anyone sharing the same doctor/same EDD?

 

[windyrain]

girl girl: welcome! this is your # ? want to me add u in the chart?

 

[saggiegirl]

Windy> *hi 5*

yes, this is my first baby

Sure sure, it will be nice of you to add me to the chart

....

 

[windyrain]

Girl^Girl: your location? which part do u stay?

 

[saggiegirl]

Windy> i am staying in the North - Woodlands/Admiralty

 

[windyrain]

<table border=1><tr><td>No.</TD><TD>Nick</TD><TD>EDD</TD><TD>Gynae</TD><TD>baby #</TD><TD>Hospital</TD><TD>Location</TD><TD>Gender </TD></TR><TR><TD>1</TD><TD>Shan991</TD><TD>1-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Douglas Ong</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>West</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>2</TD><TD>Zoers</TD><TD>1-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr KK Ho</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt E</TD><TD>North/ West</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>3</TD><TD>Angel Ho</TD><TD>3-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Irene Chua</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>GlenE</TD><TD>Bishan</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>4</TD><TD>Erica Tan</TD><TD>3-Jun-13</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>5</TD><TD>sf8</TD><TD>3-Jun-13</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>6</TD><TD>Girl^Girl</TD><TD>3-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Khoo CK</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>KKH</TD><TD>North</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>7</TD><TD>KIS</TD><TD>3-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Don Wong</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>West</TD><TD>Boy </TD></TR><TR><TD>8</TD><TD>PL (babybp)</TD><TD>3-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Benjamin Tham</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>East</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>9</TD><TD>yveyve18</TD><TD>3-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Benjamin Tham</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>Northeast</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>10</TD><TD>ica</TD><TD>3-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Henry Cheng</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>GlenE</TD><TD>TBA</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>11</TD><TD>Jessica Tham</TD><TD>5-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr June Tan</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>KKH</TD><TD>Northeast</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>12</TD><TD>pinkberries84</TD><TD>5-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Ang</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>TBA</TD><TD>Central</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>13</TD><TD>My-Angel-Is-Back</TD><TD>6-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Choo Wanling</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>GlenE/ Mt A</TD><TD>West</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>14</TD><TD>Estherlss</TD><TD>6-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr John Tee</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>KKH</TD><TD>Yishun</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>15</TD><TD>Zaraa</TD><TD>9-Jun-13</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>16</TD><TD>Blurdopey</TD><TD>9-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Fong</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>GlenE</TD><TD>West</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>17</TD><TD>may</TD><TD>10-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Kang Wee</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>East</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>18</TD><TD>June</TD><TD>11-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Phua Soo Mear</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>East</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>19</TD><TD>valerie chen</TD><TD>11-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Han</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>KKH</TD><TD>Sembawang</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>20</TD><TD>Kome</TD><TD>12-Jun-13</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>21</TD><TD>FL</TD><TD>13-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Yeoh</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>GlenE</TD><TD>North</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>22</TD><TD>mschia_mrslim</TD><TD>13-Jun-13</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>23</TD><TD>KL84</TD><TD>14-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Benjamin Tham</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>Northeast</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>24</TD><TD>rosellecz</TD><TD>14-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Benjamin Tham</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>Central</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>25</TD><TD>missy</TD><TD>15-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Benjamin Tham</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>West</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>26</TD><TD>grace82</TD><TD>15-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Woo Bit Hwa</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>Central</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>27</TD><TD>Windyrain</TD><TD>16-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Kang Wee</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>North</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>28</TD><TD>mummy_relle</TD><TD>16-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Vincent Lee</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>Northeast</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>29</TD><TD>happy_gal</TD><TD>16-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Cynthia Kew</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>KKH</TD><TD>Yishun</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>30</TD><TD>Layn</TD><TD>17-Jun-13</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>31</TD><TD>jasmine</TD><TD>17-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr TM Chua</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>NUH</TD><TD>West</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>32</TD><TD>xp</TD><TD>18-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Adelina Wong</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>Northeast</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>33</TD><TD>mummync</TD><TD>19-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Benjamin Tham</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>Northeast</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>34</TD><TD>absentmama</TD><TD>21-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Tan Kim Teng</TD><TD># 3</TD><TD>KKH</TD><TD>Central</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>35</TD><TD>Janiz</TD><TD>23-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Benjamin Tham</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>Northeast</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>36</TD><TD>chloe_ng</TD><TD>25-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Kenneth Lee</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>West</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>37</TD><TD>dolliepollie</TD><TD>25-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Lawrance Ang</TD><TD># 3</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>Yishun</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>38</TD><TD>Chevelle</TD><TD>27-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Koh Cheng Huat</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>Northeast</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>39</TD><TD>gymie</TD><TD>27-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Chan KH</TD><TD># 1</TD><TD>GlenE</TD><TD>Central</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>40</TD><TD>BearBaby</TD><TD>27-Jun-13</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>41</TD><TD>Vivi</TD><TD>28-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Geraldine Tan</TD><TD># 2</TD><TD>Mt A</TD><TD>North</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD>42</TD><TD>wendy (w_w)</TD><TD>29-Jun-13</TD><TD>Dr Adelina Wong</TD><TD># 2 &amp; # 3</TD><TD>TMC</TD><TD>West</TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD></td></tr></table>

 

[windyrain]

Girl^Girl: me also going to be living in the Wdl, my mum stay there and my new house will be there too.

 

[saggiegirl]

Windy> hehe... staying at near the 888 Plaza, or near to sport school?

 

[windyrain]

My mum near sport school, my new house will be beside 888 Plaza the upcoming one.

 

[saggiegirl]

i c ...i sometimes pass by 888 Plaza area...the buildings come up very fast...i am staying near to Woodlands mart/lighthouse church

 

[zoers]

Mummync: Zoe Wang is me

 

[morticia_queen]

@ windy
ur new hse beside 888 plaza? mine too. what block u stayin at wor?

 

[windyrain]

Morticia : 886B, u? Oh ya.. i just went to the Treegrove group i saw u inside! Wow!

 

[morticia_queen]

@ windy
yes!!! i m 886B too!!!! OMG!! I cant believe.. we r future neighbours too!! wohoo!!

 

[windyrain]

morticia: what a small world.. i meet my neighbours here too..

 

[jesstham]

mummync, I'm Jessica Tham. Do I hv to re-request?? Added quite some time but have not been approved yet.

 

[windyrain]

Feeling so satisfied yet bad after finish 1 cup noodles.. heehe!

 

[annpanda]

Hi Windy
Pls update my details too. Thanks.
EDD: 29 jun 2013
Gynae: Dr John Yam
Hospital: Gleneagles
Location: west

Good night all mummies.

 

[xlp]

Having constipation today.

Must force myself to drink more water n eat more fruits.

 

[saggiegirl]

windy> can take cup noodles? My hubby forbid me to take cup noodles coz high in salt content....

Ann C> welcome and hi^5

 

[windyrain]

Girl^Girl: i nv take everyday.. at the most once a week.. but i try not to take the soup.. just the noodles.. haha! everything also cannot very cham.

 

[saggiegirl]

windy> hahaa of course cannot everyday... hehehe...

ya...the soup is the main culprit...

last few weeks got cravings for ice cream...hehe...and gelato...my this BB got exotic taste buds...

then as of now i see rice i still very scared +_+

 

[wy_june]

Hi and morning all.. I am new to this forum and hope to gain exp from fellow mummies here.. Just had my Oscar screening done on Mon and currently waiting for the results.

Kindly help to update my details too..

Nick: wy_june
EDD: 04 June 2013
Gynae: Dr Geraldine Tan
Baby #: Baby #1
Hospital: TBC (Most prob Mt A)
Location: Northeast

Me too have cravings for maggie mee. Extremely bad that I specifically want curry / asam maggie mee. I try to restrict once a week or longer but can't help and slurp all the soup.

 

[saggiegirl]

wy_june> hello...hehe...

our EDD separated by 1 day ...

hmm i already know the OSCAR scan results and BT results on the spot (i did the BT on 3 Nov on my 9W)...yours need to wait till when ah?