(2007/03) March 2007 MTBs

good morning!
got giraffe t posted by angel liao, i dun need to take photo? cause i am wearing giraffe t today.. plan to take photo only at night. hee.

REPORT!!! REPORT!
HOPE: pls note!

Tian has SORE THROAT. it is really red and painful. that's y she rejecting milk and everything. drink 1 oz then cannot tahan the burning sensation in her throat (though she oredi super hungry). so poor thing... these are the advice from PD
- Dun give warm or hot thing. COOL or COLD will be good. We tried cold water last night, she ok! but must be spoon fed cause teat hurts her throat and she already developed a food/milk phobia since she relates it to her pain.
- take some medicine to cure it
- i asked if enfapro is too heaty, then pd gave me Promil gold to try. she said enfa series a bit heaty.. (so promil gold good or not??? JMON u here??)
- if bb dun take food, milk for a few days, still ok but fluid like (barley water, water, chrissanthemum, etc etc EVEN 100 plus, all drinks also can consider if really desperate)
- give smaller feed 1-2 oz but more frequent each time.

The reason why tian can still drink in sleep (what we are doing now, better than nothing) because she dun see her milk bottle. she is smart, she saw liao then totally reject. now everything is programmed in her mind already, we need to slowly help her to get rid of her phobia. Hopefully can recover in a week...

report finished!!

Hope:
yes, bb will develop food phobia when forced fed. So dun force feed.. feed as she likes. if she likes bread, then give bread if she likes cereal, give cereal. then after that, slowly mix mix and adjust back to normal. cause if totally reject food then we need to help them to associate correctly. However, most of the time bb reject food is because they are not feeling well (like tian, sore throat liao but we never thought of it). few days ago Dr check also never check on this.. sigh! . When they are not feeling well, we need to teach them what is good for them.

Apparently, after the PD visit.. we also concluded the following.
- i UNDERESTIMATE tian's ability. I thought i overestimate, but PD said can tell that tian is bullying me. She is stubborn, playful, observant, and just too smart.
- I should stay CALM and FIRM with her but cannot go with her flow, when she recovers. otherwise it would be difficult. if I'm not firm, i kelam0kabut, then tian will feel even more insecure then totally in phobia of everything.
- cannot remember liao.. i heard already dunno if i should feel happy.. tian is smart woh.. but SHE IS BULLYING me..... ???

report finish!
 


after my report. I give myself 3-5 days, if tian receovers then I love this PD.. if not?? then I decduct some marks from her and also her remarks.. haha!!!
afterall, i still feed her milk in the night (not always successful one) when she is sleeping. otherwise she totally reject drinks/food.. sigh!!! being a mama is not easy... this morning wake up early early cause dun want her to wake up.. then feed her 4oz milk.. have to deal with it for the time being.

and she lost weight liao.. a bit.. 200g
 
QQ-alamak, BB can't say if she/he is having sore throat so must see doc then know right? so poor thing, hope Tian gets well soon, give her lotsa water ba. fluid-wise, how abt glucose? my boy drinking ENFAPRO, I din know it was heaty thought quite oki.
 
Hope, i wanna add..
1. perhaps you can bring constance to see pd early? cause i dunno if she is also having sore throat like tian. If got, better cure early before it gets worst.
2. if u want to make constance show interest in the food? then you can eat together with her. PD said bb likes to follow adults. you just take one piece, then she take another piece.. she will find it interesting and fun. Slowly she will not reject food anymore.
I tried. i eating bread last night, i give her some small pieces.. she likes. then she asked for more, even with her sore throat. then we happily eating bread. one day i dip bread in milk then feed.. maybe she likes.
 
enne, some bb find it heaty some bb dun. But i also dunno if its the FM.. only guess guess la.
Its hard to push her to drink more fluid. we use spoon feed. 30 min then manage to feed only 1-1.5 oz nia.. better than nothing. my nanny super busy these days, cause she needs to spoon feed water, etc etc..
I still have 3 tins of enfapro leh. haha!

SQ, no swimming for me this weekend.
 
QQ-few oz better than nothing, as long as her stomach not empty most impt, hmm no medicine for sore throat for bbs??
 
someone asking for PD bill right? forgot who? i never read the archive properly.
mine was $56 yesterday.. ok leh..
 
enne, not really got medicine la. initially pd said dun want to give me. ask me to slowly heal. i said i cannot wait leh.
so given
1. something to numb her pain (if really in pain)
2. syrup to reduce the infection there (is it called tonsol??) syrup is sweet...
 
QQ-okie okie hope Tian gets well soon, I feel BBs so poor thing when they sick but don't know how to tell us hor.
 
thanks enne. yalor they are so poor thing but no choice la. they need to learn. in fact they got tell us, its us who actually din realise.. she rejects milk ma.. then telling us something liao.
 
QQ,
happie you already knew the cause of tian not eating. no worries about swimming.

how come you bought so many enfapro? u mass order? i've heard that enfa can be heaty for some, just give more water?

oh, milk v watery so difficult to feed. i can take a year to feed just an ounce. so what i do is i mix in a bit of cereal so it's not so watery. did i read somewhere tat cereal can be heaty too?
 
QQ,
tian is a healthy bb. she will recover fast. and she's a clever gal
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so how you intend to "protect" yourself from the bullying?
 
QQ,SQ-if like what u all say, some FMs might be heaty to some BBs and some not, means as long as FM, it is heaty liao, so I think no matter what FM, most impt must give more water also, its unlike BM ba. Tian be good girl drink more water okie!
 
SQ, yalor. at least i feel that the rootcause is found. (hopefully its the right one.... )

cereal is also heaty. i dun give cereal now. yalor, very watery if we spoon feed milk. messy also. her head turn here turn there, very diff to feed. feel like using a syringe to feed, but scare she phobia again. better not.

i bought 3 tins when i was back to Msia last weekend ma. only RM50 as compared to SGD34 a tin here. ingredients sama sama.. no worry one la, can always bring back to msia and give to other relatives/friends. the most is put in my father's shop and sell.
 
enne,
my boy's name is Jaylen lah..not Jayden...

astro,
teng feeling better today?

hope,
take it easy ok...u seeing pd on sat rite? rem to write down all the qns u nid to ask...at times hor, will forget
 
Tiong: wah good leh.. ur own mum is still the best hor.. my MIL.. come back nia sure throw give me.. but anyway.. she dont help much even though I not preggy when I am back home.. sometimes can understand she face a small bb whole day w/o entertainment.. she mst be super duper bored.

Pink: ya loh

Hope: pancake mix is sweet rite?? Mayb that is why u bb prefers??

ENne: u must be alive.. if not I how?? No more mei mei..kekkeke.. thanks.. will take care la.. but I anyhow eating now.. as long as I can dont vomit.. I just eat.. bb like cold drinks.. I drink now..keke.. sayang take care horcome in more to de-stress k??

Gak: *pat pat*

QQ: *pat pat* how we know when BB got sore throat?? If ur tian bully u, how u know her sore throat ok liao and reali bullying u?? ren.. u will see the rainbow soon!!!
 
SQ, bbgirl,
frankly speaking, i did not know how tian bully me. but pd said she observed that whenever tian wanna do something, she kept looking at me instead of papa or others. tian takes everything new to her and very playful. i said dun take then she looked at me again (for 1 s), and still take. when we place her down for body check, then she flipped and moved up and down. I tried to push her down, tell her nicely then she kept shaking her head. when PD open her mouth and check, she kept shaking her head (confirm she knows its a NO for head shaking, its not blocked nose).
when i take away things from her, she EH EH EHE H act cry.. then i gave in "oh oh oh".. then she happy and have that kind of yaya face.

i test water.
this morning already time to go nanny's place, but she was still put on a tricycle, then i push her for a while. when i stop, she cried. ??? then i push again, then happy. cry again when i stop..
(fake cry only). When she wants papa's hp, papa dun give, then cry.
Wheni scold her she wants papa.. when papa scolds her, she will jump back to me. when both of us scold her, then she go look for her gugu. gugu NEVER scold her one.

after she recovers, i am going to start my discipline liao...
FAINT!

sorry, such a long and messy post.
 
QQ,
Thanks for the report and update. Tian and Constance can be buddy liao hahaha...she also like to bully me.

I don't think she has sore throat because she still take her milk (ok, i better don't jinx myself! The last time I said she like her food now she stop eating...haiz)

So we will monitor and see how. Since already waited so long liao maybe I bring forward her PD visit from Saturday to Friday tomorrow.

Ya, I also kind of relax abit liao after hearing everyone's advise here. It is still okay for them not to take proper solid until 1 year old. As long they are healthy, most important.

I need to go to NUH later to visit my student. He went bersek from stress...haiz...
 
Kelley,
I bought the organic buckwheat pancake mix from NTUC yesterday. It is egg free, wheat free and gluten free. Not sure it is sweet or not cos haven't try it. Once I try liao, let you know okie.

QQ,
You take care too!
 
mash-sorry la, failing memory liao. haha ok Jaylen.
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KELLEY-okie u must eat more to get fatter to have a fat fat BB ok, must WIN mash's champion Jaylen. hehehe.

QQ-when my HB scolds my boy, my boy will look at me and he will bian zui, looks so ke lian then I sayang sayang him. haha but sometimes I talk nicely to him CANNOT do this CANNOT do that, he also bian zui, he thought I scolding him, must talk to him in a nice tone if too harsh tone, he thot pple scold him then he bian zui and cry. haha my HB say must discipline him when he turns 1
 
QQ,
no wonder the PD says tian is a smart gal. she oredi know liao lah. there's always a dilema of when to discipline them. but i feel that they know lei. of course when they're sick it's not a good time to start. that's why they're so clever to take advantage of us.

baby girl,
din c you whole of yesterday. tot you went holiday liao
 
oh QQ,
the milk powder really so cheap to buy in msia. but i tot one of the ingredients is different? at least for enfalac it is.

never mind la, now bb drink less and less milk liao. the milk powder cost not so jialat as last time
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SQ, the only differnt is they packed in Thailand bah, as compared to enfapro here, packed in europe? me not sure but i think its the same... sama sama.
yalor, dilemma to discipline or not.. anyway, will start when she recovers. bb are really smart.

kelley, when she dun reject teat, then i start... otherwise kena bullied.
 
QQ,
that's why i'm so stressed when bb's ill. cos on the one hand you wanna pacify them and make them as comfy as possible. we try to give in whenever we can (like carrying them a while longer). on the other hand, cos we introduce this, they will come to expect it even when they are well.
 
Hope: I see.. cos I love pancakes.. cos w/o syrup.. I can eat.. so nice and so xiang wah.. so hungry now.. ok.. my pancake craving is coming.. I shall make for weekend so my gal can eat too.. hahaha

Enne: I doubt I can.. I tried drinking milk.. vomit.. haiz now only keep vomiting

QQ: oh.. scarly she doing it to bully u.. hahah.. cos like I say.. sore throat or nt.. we cant see.. so how we know rite?? *pat pat* it mst be hard on u!! TIAN so CLEVER like mummy!!
 
QQ: After reading your post. Yes leh, I do believe our babies at their age now are capable of "manipulating" us. And I subscribe to the theory that we have to be firm with them and set some boundaries, else, we're spoiling them. The other way to see it is that they are learning about cause and effect. So if we give in to them each time they cry/fuss, they will learn that when they cry/fuss, they will be able to get what they want.
 
Hi QQ...

The way u describle, sooo cute and funny...heee...

Bb, they really will surprise u 1..hee....they even know how to bully ppl without the other party knowing...heee..

My son like to bully my mum, (his po po).. wheneven he's inside the playpen and see my mum free, he will cry out to her, asking her to carry him 1...heee...

yesterday he was playing with his toy, then he keep on throwing his toy on the floor. at 1st i thot he like the noise, then i realise whenever he throw his toy on the floor, his toy will light up, then he will pick it up and hold for a while. When the light went off, he throw it again...and the light light up...etc...
really very cute and will make u wonder, wow, they are really growing up liao....and are really learning new things...
 
QQ<
saw ur msg this morning. hahaha... Tian so smart har. told my mum that bbies nowadays very smart so unlike last time when we were babies.
Due to the nutrients that we took while we were carrying then, bb nowadaysare SMART enuf to BULLY us!

K also like tian, when she cry, i want to let her CIO. but WS always says dun let her CIO,

I am thinking of changing to Gain IQ coz my Mum said her cuz's 2 years old grand daughter is drinking that and she is so smart!
ask me to go n check out the milk.
 
KELLEY-aiya sayang u hor!!!!

Michelle-eh u din answer me, how do I give u the $3? don't seems to have any gatherings now so can pass to u?? my boy was on Similac previously but changed to Enfapro coz Similac powder seems thick and heaty, so far so good on Enfapro, no constipation.

gak-u christian??
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Hey QQ
how does PD tell a bb's personality? this is so interesting...so far i only brought Leia to GP for her jabs, and once for a slight fever when she teeth. how do we know whether bb is having sore throat w/o going to the doc?

i can also tell that Tian is quiet, observant, very smart and grab for what she wants in a silent manner, doesnt show aggressiveness. hahhaa my observation.
 
pink,
i agree with U, observe tian b4 as well.
even though she i quiet, she is very observant. and grab for things no fuss! Quick as well...
good genes from her parents.
 
pink.. PD checked her mouth, her tongue and also the tonsol (dunno how to spell).. i think if GP check her mouth properly also can tell la. when bb reject milk, change in voice, etc etc then can suspect liao. we dunno how to check leh. u are right, she grab her things using her ways. she also an observer, that's y physically still not so steady.

see yee, aiyo.. so cute the toy. ya they know the cause and effect liao. i also want to have this toy leh. haha!

bbgirl, ya lor. got to set boundaries. but i more believer in closeness (that can change one's trust and behaviour).. hm, got to think about it.

michelle, tomorrow toy fair. i go with hb. around 12noon.......................
 
michelle, u sure I'm that smart... u said until like that... aiyo. maybe i low EQ type. haha! i get stress easily especially with tian. used to havbe higher EQ, now low EQ after pregnancy, delivery.. aiyo. faint!
 
KELLEY-when u feeling better, find a day we meetup la when u not working, I might be on leave also, clearing leave. hehe, maybe can go find Irin at her cafe or go woodlands, 1 bus down for me only.
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Michelle-never mind, no hurry, meetup together then pass also can. hehe.
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michelle, reminded me of something. i told pax about it before. super funny.

when tian was 3-4 months old, mil was taking care of her. then, she made my mil sing until sore throat then she drink her milk. after that, made my sil sing and dance then she drink milk. like need a performance in order to drink. My mil said she smart.. but she had no choice since tian refused to drink when i was not around. ok lor we let her be..

good, now when she is in sleep, and "twinkle twinkle little star" starts, she automatically opens her mouth.
 
hey QQ
Leia also eh eh eh when i say CANNOT. she confirmed bullying everyone around her because everyone gives in to her. i have big headache. maid said she bully her, but she so sayang her, dun let her cry at all.

now this gal very jia lak, when she unhappy and cry, she will orh orh use her tongue and make herself vomit...

and everyday at 5pm she will make noise cos its 'gai gai' time. haiya the more i think, the more i worry. see how maybe next year bring her back to discipline
 
QQ,
see lah, she very good leh at 3-4mths already know this. think my OB class, i read something like that as well..
proven IQ shld be on high side. wahahahaha.. next time can attend GP
 
michelle, i tot my mil very kuazhang then i just oh oh oh.. as if she really knows.. now think back my mil still said that tian knew..
 
star, astro, anthea can join rae and teng in the league liao. yesterday i gave her cheerios. she can pincer grip, but she WONT feed herself !! she will take the food and hold it in her hand! when i put her mouthful of food to her mouth, she tried to feed herself but not knowing that she ought to release the food !! then aft a few times, she got angry with me trying to help her feed herself.
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astro, yesterday also found yoplait baby yougurt at great world city cold storage. very cheap $4+ for 4 small cups (2 original, 2 flavoured).
 


Hi QQ,

The toy is a gift from my sis, i also don kwn where she bought it. It's a insect shape toys. and the one that can light up is actually a ying huo chong...that's y has light..hee
 
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