(2006/12) December 2006 MTBs


qsg
you sure its ezcema or just due to the rubbing of her eyes? dun anyhow apply cream especially on the eyelid. observe for another day or two first. just clean her hands (with all the salia from her sucking) and eye area with warm water often. keep clean and see if it will be better. : ) good luck!

bloom, heng ah, my daughter now ok liao. she's 5 liao, even if need pampers premium also dun have her size lor! haha! btw, what's kate's weight? why say fat hope for 10kg? just to let you know that my tim was 9.7 kg last week. so he should be close to 10 now..... : o
 
Hi Vanessa, SH,

How was the contest on Sat ah?
I didn't managed to reach in time so didn't go, so hubby was the one who brought Ace in.

Afcai,

They ask u to latch ah. Hubby cannot latch BB, so he siam that..
 
what is the b'feeding contest all abt? they just see if bb can latch? what's the criteria for the contest? never heard before....hee hee.... : )
 
bloom
ya, u are rite - very "freedom"! :p no leaking cos my BM ss oso drop...so it's like a natural transition to stop...
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qsg
usually toilets have a baby changing table. alternatively can change on the seat. It's not difficult at all. Not unstable la...no turbulence mah. It's like normal, just a bit cramp lor. The only "unstableness" is becos Hannah keeps flipping. I have to pin her down to change her diapers. Hiaz!
I took Qantas there and on way back was put on BA (cos codeshare). Wah, this time, BA really SUCKS big time!! Food/ service everything bad.
The bassinet they have is a car seat!!! my bb wasn't gonna sleep in a car seat for long...she likes to sleep on her tummy.

hwee
maybe ur bb can take to strangers? haiz, mine now let ppl carry she not happy...
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Wah, mummies, I wanna complian ah. My staff really totally lousy man. I away for barely 2 weeks so many things to correct. Small things oso she cannot handle!!
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in fact, on Thursday oredi she sms me. simple thing cannot handle, cannot explain to me properly, in the end I had to call my boss to find out what exactly he wants. Wah, very very very INCAPABLE man!!!!
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I cannot tahan. I actually bot her something from my trip, but dun think i want to give her liao.
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she's soooo incompetent!
But we dun sack ppl here...I just lun till i find new staff. Hope I can transfer this one out soon!
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bobianah

my #1 has stranger anxiety from 4 months+. so i hope tim now dun have lor..... : )

no need to complain abt other staff la.....its always like dat one la. when i on leave for 3 days also have ppl calling me from office. sigh! anyway, if i were you also won't give her the souvenir...hee hee... : p
 
Hi Mummies...

Fed my bb cereal for 3 days...n omg...his poo looks like a thick spread of peanut butter now...faintzzz...itz no longer the innocent sweet smellin poo of a milk oni diet...
 
hello mummies,
so very long no post liao. just now did a quicky glance at all the post.. so many!!! many many nice pix oso!

good news! sophia don't have urinary reflux! went for the micturating cystsomethingsomethinggram last week. aiyohh.. we werent allowed in the room while they insert the catheter n do the xray, and can only hear her screaming inside. felt so helpless.
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me n my mum was crying outside, while my dad was making a fuss why one of us cant be inside to calm the gal down. think the hospital staff see us very dramatic like that. hehe.

sylk,
wahh.. u really tempting me to get the babycook!

bobianah,
looks like it was a very enjoyable trip! really admire u able to bring hannah along. my ss oso dipping liao.. coz of erratic pumping time the past 2 weeks. like today, havent pump since last nite. had to work early this morning (6am, and i couldnt wake up at 4am to pump, too sleepy, just reset the alarm to let me zzz and wake up just in time to get ready to go work) and now the room is occupied. but so long no pump.. just feel slight engorgement nia. tink it will be soon that the ss dries up.
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kimi,
my hubby oso sometimes will ask me to post pix of sophia. heehe... think he likes to "show off" our gal.

afcai,
i agree with shihui, van, qsg etc lor.. really need to kan kai with your mum. its really sad if your relationship with your mum turn sour coz of your gal.

qsg,
evee dont like jumperoo? can pass over to sophia anot?
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i let her try it in robinsons and she lurve it. but i didnt get it. it's really ex lor. after discount still $179! u shd haf let evee try first. poor thing..scratch till bleed? bcoz of the ezcema?

hwee,
welcome!
wow.. tim big baby ah! i dont remember seeing pix of him?
 
Bobianah, the standards of BA seems to have dropped recent years. Probably its still best to travel with SQ esp if got young kids. Thinking of going for a short trip somewhere maybe about 4-5 days next year but afraid cannot handle 2 kids. Hopefully by then Evee can be fed more easily, if not waste time struggling to feed her outside. Evee also like to sleep on tummy. Yours is a nite flight? Does your bb fuss when trying to sleep?

Hwee, the redness is dry and patchy..so i suspect is ezcema since it looks like the ezcema on other parts of her body.

Starluster, glad to hear sophia is ok. I didn't bring Evee along when we go shopping...usually when we go out we don't bring Evee (felt gulity but no choice as we are always in a rush where got time to struggle to feed her milk/cereal outside, maybe gulity that's why bot her the expensive toy). I saw a couple of bbs trying it and they seem to enjoy it...but seems that Evee dun appreciate ex toys..previously bot her a fisherprice bouncer also dun really like. Hubby was so disppointed that day that he said sell the jumperoo away at $10 less
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I told him who would buy man even though so new. My mum said maybe Evee need some time to get use to the toy just like it takes 2 weeks before she more or less accepts cereal...hopefully she can learn to enjoy her jumperoo. Her elder sis seem to enjoy more than her but she overweight already can't sit inside
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Starluster, i also dunno if she scratch the inside of her ears when crying due to ezcema or just agitated so have the habit of scratching till bleed. Happened a couple of times already. When it happened the first time, i really got a fright, so much blood suddenly.
 
dora,
thanks. madeleine had a small spurt after she recovered fr bronchitis, so she is finally abv average in weight n height again.
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kimi,
madeleine has the same ball.
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qsg,
madeleine also takes some time to get used to the jumperoo, so dun be in a hurry to sell off the jumperoo yet. no worries abt selling it off too, every so often, there r pple looking for 2nd hand jumperoos.
 
hello mummies

so sian... hubby changed internet service provider so no internet access for 5 days....faintz liao... now i'm surfing at Lot 1 kfc with JT on my lap... hee hee cannot live w/o internet :p .... just a quick post

QSG
JT also sometimes has some red patches under er eyelid. its becos she keep rubbing her eyes when she's sleepy. but it goes away the next morning. JT also scratched her ears till bleed... aiyo these 2 girls are really sooooo alike!!! but JT loves the jumperoo when we let her sit in it at kiddy palace marina sq... but hb say too ex can't buy, prob i'll rent for her next mth
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starluster
you not drama lah, not their bb mah... poor sophia... but luckily she's ok liao

SAHMs
if got gathering or whatsoever, pls sms me hor.... cos i can't access internet this week :p
 
<font color="0000ff">QSG</font>
I am sooo sorry. I did say want to squueze u some Renew Intensive cream to try rite.. aiyoyo. how ar.. must pass to u liao. i got a tube which my SIL passed me. i give u that lar. ok anot?? cos the other btl is big one.

<font color="0000ff">choo</font>
I am going to take family shot this sat @ Chinatown there lor. That time at hosp after deliver i took bb 1st shot pose then was given a free 5R family shot. to be taken within 6mths lor. so this sat faster go take lor. hehe but sad is bb selinna hair still din grow much leh.
Then hor.. thinking to bring bb to go JB studio to take when she turn 2yrs old lidat lor. hehe

<font color="0000ff">connie</font>
Where is the TCM massage???

<font color="0000ff">hwee</font>
Welcome Welcome...
Where does ur gal learn ballet? how old onwards then can learn? how much is the class???

<font color="0000ff">Qianhui</font>
QH, u can use HUggies Ultra right. that one the cutting is higher so wont "cut" Ace thighs bah...

<font color="0000ff">afcai</font>
what vacuum flask sooo cheap? still have anot?
Huh.. cannot feeed bb cereal on btl ar. i fed that since bb was 3mths+ leh. she sucking very well leh. But then i must tell u. AVENT teats all cant flow that ceral out. i tried liao. oni PIGEON teats Sz M then can leh.
BTW, u use what software to downsize & upload pic here. very big pic leh. mine small small oni when i shrink.

<font color="ff0000">och</font>
Ohhh isit today dateline for submitting this mth theme.. what is the theme liao ar???
 
hwee..oopss i mean golden backside... kate is only 6+ the last time we weigh her.. tim and ace are the champions here lah... canot compare :p

bohbiahah..ahaha..ok..but not bad..u manage to bf for almost 6 months!!! congrats! hahah..seems that nowadays staff alot not up to standard one... :p

starluster, poor sophia! have to undergo so much pain
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luckily not more prob...

QSG...maybe its due to dry skin..kate also ahve this tenancy to scratch herself (cheek, forhead, scalp) until there is blood. If evee really dont like the jumperoo can rent it off... I think rental is about $30+ per month.

och... so how heavy is madeleine now?
 
hwee..oopss i mean golden backside... kate is only 6+ the last time we weigh her.. tim and ace are the champions here lah... canot compare :p

bohbiahah..ahaha..ok..but not bad..u manage to bf for almost 6 months!!! congrats! hahah..seems that nowadays staff alot not up to standard one... :p

starluster, poor sophia! have to undergo so much pain
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luckily not more prob...

QSG...maybe its due to dry skin..kate also ahve this tenancy to scratch herself (cheek, forhead, scalp) until there is blood. If evee really dont like the jumperoo can rent it off... I think rental is about $30+ per month.

och... so how heavy is madeleine now?
 
Hi,
I just found out about the website. I wonder why I have missed this out for so looooong. Is any of you sending your bb to any class yet? I want to send mine for swimming at Aqua Duck at Suntec and I am trying to form class (min 4 , max 6). They have a slot at 2.30pm on Sundays. They have trial classes so I am going this weekend. Is any bb interested in forming a class?

Is any mummies out there breastfeeding and yet have to travel for business? Is there any cooler bag out there to keep the milk fresh when on day trip?
 
jen, this month's theme is sitting up. can be sitting up in bouncer, chair, stroller, car seat, etc. but i cannot see adult's hands lah.

bloom,
madeleine is 8.1kg.
 
qsg
ya, i ever took BA in the past, not so bad as this time.
We took day time flights...more for our benefit than for bb! Cos I can't sleep well on flights, so next day sure "groggy" due to lack of sleep, hence pick a day flight. Hannah did her usual day time naps on the plane, no problem.

starluster, bloom,
it's been abt 6mths liao, so i guess i oso ready to stop BF completely. In a way oso look forward to stop cos honestly, no need to express during work is a real time saver. No need to wash pumps, no need to bring cooler bag everyday...after 6mths, it really is "freedom". But, I guess menses will return soon...:p
 
Jen, when would be you coming to Jurong Point? I can meet you at JP to pick up the cream from you or can i pick up the cream from your place maybe during weekends?

En En, for how many hours do you need to keep the milk cold outside? Can consider fridge to go.

Dora, the red patch din go away after 3 days so i thought could be ezcema. Regarding the birthmark was told recently better to get laser treatment when young in case grow bigger and bigger...but i think must wait till at least they are primary school then can consider, must go through LA and i think cost at least $1k or more..haiz...

Och, hopefully Evee will enjoy the jumperoo after a few more times in it.
 
QSG,
I will be on 3 days 2 nights business trip and I am trying to salvage as much milk as possible. Can fridge to go keep the milk frozen? Where can I get it? Stressed.
 
En En

What you need is milk bags, fridge-to-go and ice pack/bricks.

when i was in shanghai, i deliberately chose a service apt which can freeze milk. i froze them in the milk bags and transported them back in the fridge to go with ice packs.

because of the new 100ml rule on flights, i packed them into indvd packs of 100ml each. I took SQ and when i got up the plane, i passed to the stewardess to keep in the fridge for me.

actually when i called the SQ hotline, they told me exceptions can be made for the 100ml plus maximum 1 litre rule. but in order to make sure i can get thru easier, i still pack them in 100ml each.

when i got home, the milk has thawed but still very cold. hope this helps!
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thanks starluster
yes, he's quite big. quite tiring to carry him.
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jen, my girl used to take her tots ballet at bt timah cc at $85 for a term (12 lessons, 45 mintutes each). Now she's doing pre-primary at ulu pandan cc at $100 per term (11 lessons, 45 minutes each). she started when she was 3.5 yrs but stopped after 1 term and just started in apr this yr. she's 5 now. i intend to let her carry on if she's interested. : )

QSG, think its quite common for babies to have this dry, dry reddy patch. my bb also has it over his face esp ears and some parts of arm and leg. just to make sure he's clean and dry. if he's hot and start to scratch then it will also be bleeding also. :p

bloom, what happened to kate? why on chinese med?
 
QSG, that time take together with my niece. she stopped then my girl also dun wan to go liao. anyhow, the teacher wasn't very committed. maybe dealing with tots, she's not strict and i dun think anyone there learnt anything at all. now my girl is older and she enjoys dancing she says she wanna go ballet then i enrol her. i choose ulu pandan cc cos my other niece has been learning with this teacher for 5 yrs now and she's in grade 3. at least this teacher is committed and takes the lessons seriously. most importantly, my girls still enjoys it. : )
 
Hwee, does that mean for ballet, the teacher will scold the gals if they dun take instructions well? My elder gal is not very participative in her playgroup and i am thinking whether to enrol her in ballet as i afraid she dun follow the teacher's instructions then waste $$ since won't learn anything. At what age will they be more ready to learn ballet?
 
no la....at least the teacher is motivated and very committed. the teachers dun scold la. not so much of wat age the child is ready take ballet. some children can start as early as 3 while for my case i wasted $ then. this time my girl is more ready and wants to learn. how old is your girl? where are you staying?
 
QSG,
are u working or SAHM?
I usually take train & reach Boon Lay MRT stn @ 630pm. I shall PM u my HP no. we arrange the meeting then.
 
she's still young la. can she follow instructions? different schools have different entry age. as long as they are able to follow instructions, they should be ok. i dunno any schools ard that area. maybe jurong pt should have something?
 
hwee,
where is ulu pandan??? very familiar to me.. this seems west side right??? i want to enrol my gal learn ballet or those latin dance "guo piao wu" leh. ahahha
 
Jen, am working in Raffles Place. I usually reach BL MRT at 6.15, can wait for you. Can try to meet up this wed/thu.
 
Hwee, JP dun have. Think Jurong East have but am afraid she refuse to follow instructions. She seem to be kinda shy type.
 
jen, you very good ar! i also tot of those ballroom dancing.
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ulu pandan cc is in Ghim moh. they have something like latin dance or dunno wat but only for 8 yrs old and above. how old your gal?
 
QSG,
I used to send Rachel to Bt Timah Shopping Centre for ballet dance. Most CC won't accept 3 yrs old, I've searched a few cC and most won't accept her that time. Only this Attitude Dance Studio in Bt Timah accepted her. $100 for 3 months for 45 mins. The teachers are very caring for the kids and think at this age, they can't learn, cos they don't take instruction well. So they are only expose to what is ballet and the basic of it. I've stopped letting her attend ballet liao, cos she told me she is more interested in art class, so I send her to art lesson instead.

If your gal is enrol to ballet and need the shoes and tutu, can check with me if the size fit first, then can no need to buy ex ex "uniform" but attitude like got standard package to buy.
 
QSG, then be a little patient and wait for a little while more. my girl used to be super shy and quiet too, but now....sigh! like monster! hopefully ballet can tame her down a little.
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perhaps another yr, when she's 4, she'll be ok. many places take in from 4 yrs onwards. i know crestar has ballet. they have a few branches all over singapore. actually millenia walk has this dancing school that has tap dance etc for kids.... its jitterbugs... : )
 
Vanessa, how old was rachel when she started ballet at Bt. Timah?

Hwee & Vane, i was thinking of exposing her to ballet to see if she likes before deciding whether to continue. Crestar accepts 3 year old. You heard any reviews regarding crestar?
 
qsg, you may wanna check various cc for their entry age. should think 3.5 to 4 is the minimum age. i mean if you're just trying out, just enrol for one term to try. you know its ard $85-100 per term. jus tat the costume and the shoes can be quite ex. you can ask me or Vanessa for the costume and shoes should you decide. : )
 
och.wow...8.1kg....
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ayoh..that reminds me i have not send u the one and only pic of kate 'sitting' (with lots of pillows) ehehhe

bohbiahah, yes hate menses :p

hwee, she got eczema and steriod cream does not help. Chinese sinseh said its poision wind in the stomach so gave her some chinese meds to drink.. can see improvement initially but come back when we stopped for a few days due to jab.

ahahaha..why suddenly the forum becomes toddler thread liao :p
 
bloom, steriod cream is good for immediate results. i used on tim when it gets bad on his face. but will stop after few day. i think should not rely on it for long term. #1 got gold backside #2 now gold skin....sigh! i ask my maid to keep him dry after he perspire and clean him with warm water after feeds. it helps a little. you so on with the jab huh? i'm only bringing mine during this weekend.
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actually, so many 2nd time mummies here too! so one stone kill two birds!
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hwee, kate is actually a nov bb (premmie) so she finished her jabs long ago. yeah agree that steriod cream is not long term soln thats why did not like to keep applying it cos her eczema will come back after we stopped for a few days so looking for alternative solns.
 
och,
wow! u bot her 9 diff types o spoons? which one is e winner? hehe, u haf e ball too? mandy finally has a toy tt e daughter o e 'toy guru' has. so proud! altho it's a hand me dn. (wat do u expect?)
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ruffy,
i used photoshop leh. did hubby buy photoshop 4 u? wah! eat sweets. my worse nightmare! cos i've seen my mum n aunties happily feeding my bb nieces n nephews when their parents were nt ard (e parent specifically said no chocs somemore cos e bb was ill). hubby always remind me 2 watch mandy like a hawk when she's w my mum. call me paranoid n making a big deal outta nothing but i CANNOT compromise on wat my bb eats. my mum act offered her sweets e other day, maybe playing lah. then i said loud loud 'mandy, tell popo if u eat sweets u won't drink milk already. sweets r bad 4 u ok?' hope my mum got it.

hwee,
wah! another big bb! gosh! doc predicted mandy wld b only 7kg at 1 yr old!!!! tt is lighter than most o e bbs here, NOW!!!

bloom,
mandy doesn't suck on lotsa stuff. she's just so passive. even hubby is a bit worried now. heheh...

starluster,
ur hubby too? so he's another hubby who frequents this forum. hahaha.. tot mine is e only one. sometimes he sees ppl posting bt cheap bargains here, he'd go buy immed after wk! save me e trouble!
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kimi,
eh, not all the spoons r bought.
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some were bundled, some were gifts etc. i hv a bunch of avent ones in 2 different colours, almost all the pigeon spoons, a set of munchkin coloured spoons (which turned out to be non-sterilisable), farlin spoons n the winner is combi spoon.
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onli 1 combi spoon is acceptable ok, the one that comes with its own casing n is soft with a rubbery handle. that's the onli one she accepts, she even licked the spoon.
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i'm not a toy guru lah, just very interested in toys only.
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does mandy like the ball? madeleine doesn't really like that ball leh. she just doesn't seem to like soft stuff in general.
 
kimi, dont worry lah..I think mandy is like my niece, the other nov bb... if we put her down she will lie there and suck her thumb and do nothing, while kate will flip around, etc... Might be character (maybe one of u not the agressive kind and ur home is so comfortable she doesnt see the need to fight for anything).

och, must post a picture of that winner spoon! u r really a good mommy to be so persistant! btw had sent u 2 pics..take ur pic for the sitting collage!
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hwee, what jab are u bringing tim for this weekend?
 
QSG,
Rachel was 3 yrs old then. I've tried to enrol in CC, I brought her there for trial as told by the CC staff, but aft I brought her there, the teacher refuse her. Reason being although the banner stated open for enrolment, but the class is actually a continuous class, and it's meant for 4 yrs and abv (banner/website stated 3 yrs old) so end up we left with Rachel feeling extremely disapoointed and sad. So end up, I managed to find Attitude. They have trial class so that u can bring your gal to see if she is interested first b4 really enrolling her to the class.
 
bloom, timmy is due for his third jab. i opted the 6-in-1 jab. so its 1.5, 3 and 5 mths. but i was late for the 3 mth, so this jab is delayed to the 6th mth. then nothing more until 12 mths the mmr jab. : )

kimi, i didn't do anything for timmy to become this size. i actually have a problem trying to find clothings to fit him. now i have to buy for 2 yr old! sigh!

Vanessa, how you find attitude? i have friends telling me that they are not so friendly. just like the name says....hee hee.....
 


ok, fast fast pot here.

choo
thks for the compliment. haaa shd have a who look alike like shrek 'contest' for our bb.
u are welcome, must go and stock up heinz products, the booth sell cheaper than what one get fr supermarket.

Bloom
wow, feeding kate waffle, sweet leh... my mum started bb tx on mash potato y'day. she loves it and bb tx is tired of having fish soup for 2 wks.

mentioning abt weight, qh and hwee 's prince are boy man...our one is princess shd be lighter.
4 days ago was at KKH bf contest, the staff there weight bb tx, she has not put up any weight since her last weight at polyclinic on 18/5. ai-yo, our princess is small and light during birth man so shd be ok as long as they are healthy.
Bobianah
thks for the compliment
how is Hannah 's reaction when the plane take off and land? for me, I will be scared man, in the sense, will grab hold of the chair tightly.

hmm. the feeling of wearing dress is glad, til now have not wore dress since birth. duno dress still can fit into my upgrade size or not.
did u still feel some milk let down after u stop bf?

my ss is also decresing by 10-20ml liao. managed to standardise pumping only 150-170ml only now. but I dun care liao, unlike last time so worried, kept on squeezing and squeezing till at least 180ml-200ml. yup, I still need to ta bo xiao bo carry this and that(cooler bag, pump, bottle etc) when gg to work.

Ruffybear
wow piang, like that veri difficult cos the mind already fixed there liao, even with much effort to try to talk to her, I think also can't get the message into the mind. I hope my mum won't be like that too. occasionally, I will remind my mum not to put salt and sugar into bb's food. hopefully, she will not give sweet and junk food to my gar when she is a toddler.
my sister herself is also a junk foodie. when my brother asked why cannot place salt and sugar into bb 's food, I told him that it will strain the bb's system as they are not fully develop yet. my brother himself also like sweet stuff.

wow, roy is a big eater man...can eat a lot. I dun wan bb tx to eat so much, scared she pump man...

hmm some bb dun have the stranger anxiety but some have like bb tx...hai..hopefully, she will overcome it.

QSG
yup, will try to close one eye as far as possible.
did not see the detail of where the Heinz will set up its stall at IMM only see the date only.
that day, also have the semi final for bf contest loh.

hwee
hmm not so bulky. but dunno how the real ice brick look like. tot it is those which can place inside the cooler bag. will try to put ice into the plastic bag and see whether it can last for at least 8-9hr.

thks anyway.ai-yo, my gar hor, when she is 3mth, she already cry when gg to new envirnoment liao.

my gar also got this water marks thing ard her left eye ard 1 mth already still there.

wow, pamper premium very ex, very siong to buy man...but ppls said go JB buy pamper brand quite cheap(each piece $0.15 only).

kkhbf contest is orangised by kkh junior club. club members pay lesser (forgo pay how much) but non member pay $30. there ar efew critia- remember one of them is it is a must to bf at least for 8 wk. need to bring bb's health booklet.

Qianhui
yup, they(one judge is a pregnant woman and another one is a middle age woman then another one(LOOK SENIOR post type) came later) asked me to demo the latch on. haa the natural human pacifier do work after long time never latch on....
hmm...so any feedbck fr yr hubby what they do to Ace. how is the judging thing process? What I mean beside asking qns, what they do?

fizz
same same, last time, bb tx 's poo like curry sauce, now become peanut butter- creamy type.

starluster
Sophia is brave. yup, mummy and other esp mummy will feel heart pain when sophia scream. ai-yo,the medicial staff shd let one of the parent in to accompany or smooth sophia mah...didn't u ask them why no one is not allowed in.
yup, will try to close one eye as far as possible.


Jen
those portal travel normal vacumm flask. can take it out esp when one is on fm to place hot water. I bought 3 of them (2 pink , 1 blue).1 I gave to my mum liao so left 2. I can take a snap of the flask to see if u are interested or not. the promo is only 3 days at IM giant.

as for the pic, when i download fr the camera, it is much bigger, have tried to reduce the size by using either photoshop or photo editor(default pc have it one- when I opened the photo, it used photo editor to open) liao but did not reduce enough for the last 2 one.

as for the other photos (my first solid food) which I have posted previously, it is quite blur cos the thread is unable to allow one to upload big size photo abt 400 pixel.

och
Have sent in one of the photo of sitting up to u last week liao. wow, madeleine is heavier than bb tx where she only weight 6.6kg now. but to me, she is heavy cos wrist and hand can't stand it.
 

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