(2006/12) December 2006 MTBs

mbb,
weekday me working lei.. how to let them play wor?

fizz,
hehe.... u oso like the swensen adverts har? ;)

alabone,
if the letter not out, can count me in oso. i seldom have a chance to go out w sophia alone using public transport, but tried that on monday. aiyo! really buay tahan w some ppl. not only about giving up seats but how they can just rush to the door when the train approaching. they were happily sitting on the benches before that. totally disregard whoever that was standing and queueing at the side the whole time. i was so annoyed, that when the train stopped and i saw there's no one coming out from that door, i side step and stand right in front of them, seconds before the door open. they mumbled mumbled something in their china mandarin... which i dont understand and don't give a *beep*. :p

but its nice to know that there are still ppl who is willing to give up the seat and they are those slightly older aunties.

wendypooh,
not sure lei... dont remember passing any cc with her nowadays. me staying in tampines.

ruffy,
are u still on no pay leave?

bobianah,
bb out liao? congrats!! when u have the chance, do put up some photos.
 


Hi mummies,
I'm ok with both lunch/tea too.

Aug Gathering - Paragon
18th Aug (monday). for mummies who prefer weekdays.
1.mbb
2.roo13 - lunch/tea
3. LiL
4. sylk
5. bloom
6. nana
7. Ruffy
8. Linette

Bobianah,
Congrats on the arrival of your princess! Rest well and take care.
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Bobianah...

Congratzzz...enjoy yr bb n ML...

Star...

Hee hee...we can mit for dinner mah...n the tods can play (or exasperate us) together...ha ha...

Now there is tis tingy abt kids not bein allowed in some fine dinin places in the NP...Prive at Keppel Marina was mentioned...but I rem bringin Cae there b4...n the waitresses were pretty nice to him...:p...mabbe we sat al fresco bah...
 
Lil, haha! u so crever! see from facebook!
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Lil, star, roo, lin, ruffy, fizz
Thanks!
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Yup, delivered sarah on wed, one wk ahead of edd. It was super fast!!! Strangely, on Tues I had a feeling it was "anytime" and faster pass on watever immediate work i had to my staff to settle the next day.

So, here's the story..
Tues (05 Aug), i went see gynae in the evening, had a bit of show so he check but no dilation, and me, oso say no other signs. So, go home monitor la...

Then that nite, after midnite, i started feeling mild contractions. But, since i induce hannah, i dunno wat is the "normal" onset of labour symptoms, like how "pain" is real contractions?? Kekeke! So silly hor?

Anyway, it was like 30mins apart, so i go back to sleep.

Then it became 20mins apart and more painful and i decided to take pen and paper to write down. Soon, became 10mins or so apart and i was still thinking...hmmm...shd i go hosp now?
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it was like 4am and contractions abt 5-10mins apart and quite pain liao, then i woke my hb and told him time to go...cannot liao
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I wash face, change, we got there around 5am, i quickly asked for epidural! By then was already 4cm dilated.

think around 8am waterbag burst and i saw it go POW! so funny! :p My doc was on the way, but he had c-sect to attend to at another hosp so had to wait and at that time, seemed like eternity to me! then the nurses/midwives asked me dun push ah!!! I dun even dare move a muscle! :p Apparently bb poo poo inside, so gotta wait for doc come clean up. Wah, I never saw my doc so rushed before (compared to hannah :p). Quickly wear gown, boots, wash hand, check instruments, tell me PUSH! bb head came out, he quickly use suction clean, then Push again and Sarah popped out! sooo fast compared to Hannah!
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I was so thankful it was so easy and fast. I only had a small tear which doc stitched up. It didnt hurt at all after...i think it was easier this time...even tho Hannah's delivery was also relatively easy.

Anyway, Sarah weighs 3.42kg, 50cm long.
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Here are the 2 sisters...on Sarah's first day out!
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Sorry for the huge pic, I'm not good at resizing with adobe photoshop...

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Jie Jie hannah lately having fever tho...
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Pls pray for quick recovery for her.
 
Bobianah...

Job well done!!!

Wow...Bb Sarah is of a gd wt...does she look like u...Hannah looks so sweet too...hee...I stil like lookin at Hannah's pix...*sayang Hannah*...hopes tat she recovers soon...mabbe u can gif her some of yr bm...kekeke...

Steph...

I sent u a PM...
 
hi gals...

sorry ahh...didnt post for long time...
i m still on for the gathering!! anytime shld be fine with me... my boy's naptime can be tweaked one...hahaha... just that he might be cranky lar...depending on his mood...

Aug Gathering - Paragon
18th Aug (monday). for mummies who prefer weekdays.
1.mbb
2.roo13 - lunch/tea
3. LiL
4. sylk
5. bloom
6. nana - lunch/tea also ok
7. Ruffy
8. Linette

bobianah,
Congrats!! Both ur gals look so sweet...
Hope Hannah recovers soon!!
You have a good confinement har.. rest well..

alabone,
email me also if u have not sent the letter...
 
Bobianah,
Awww...Sarah looks so sweet! And Hannah is like a good jie jie, patting her mei-mei responsibly. Enjoy the ride - 2 girls girls are very endearing, both will manja to you, hubby and to each other, aiyoh, buay tahan!

How's Hannah now???
 
Aug Gathering - Paragon
18th Aug (monday). for mummies who prefer weekdays.
1.mbb
2.roo13 - lunch/tea
3. LiL
4. sylk
5. bloom
6. nana - lunch/tea also ok
7. Ruffy
8. Linette

okey...comfirm tea k?
meet at 3pm Baker's Inn ya.

Ruffy,
u sms me wat time you come to pick me
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Starluster,
i know you work on weekdays. ask your mum to bring Sophia over la.

Bobianah,
Congrats to you!!!!!!!
i love the pic. Sarah looked like you alot
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hi ladies,
i just can't seem to be able to craft my letter properly. read and re-read and like still not up to any standard. i feel very paiseh to have to send to you all and get you to sign leh... my letter's like... so juvenile coz my penmanship is not good...
 
hi mummies,
thanks for compliments & congrats on Sarah.

Hannah's fever took a while to go away so we admitted her to KKH on Wed nite. She was discharged Friday, and after all the tests, it turned out she had Roseola (fake measles)!! I guess wat made it extra stressful for us (other then worrying abt her yo-yo fever), was the timing of it all as Sarah was barely a week old. Now, Hannah is being quarantined at my MIL's cos it is more contagious to those under 3yrs old. Hannah loves to sayang and watch her mei mei, so it's not possible to keep them apart under the same roof. Sigh... I haven't seen her since Thursday! My hb is shuttling back and forth between our homes and he has to shower and change clothes before leaving my MIL's to come home. Can't wait for her rashes to clear (in a couple days?) so everything can be back to normal.
 
bobianah,

COngrats to arrival of Sarah
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Hannah is so loving to mei mei
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must be difficult time for your family as Hannah had Roseola.Ivan just had it about 3weeks ago..made us stressed and worrying,plus he had diarrhoea after rashes went out...

Take good care!!
 
Hey mummies going for this afternoon's outing, am afraid I can't join you today cos I just gotten food poisoning yesterday and Annette also nursing a runny nose, so better not pass on to the other babies. Sigh...let me know when the next outing is!
 
Bobianah,

CONGRATES!!!!

Both are so sweet!
Agreed with Choo, that Hannah is like a sweet sister to Sarah. And Sarah is sleeping with a sweet smile
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Linette,
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i thot i can see annette today...

the rest, seeya later..i am wearing green long sleeve and dark blue pants....

bobianah, thank goodness they found out the problem... !
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mommies, u know..suddenly i realise something (on the bus)... that u know all of u that got no 2?? seems that most/all of u are either sAHM/got mom/MIL to help out ... eheheh..seems that those with outside help (eg, maid alone, bbsitter/infant care) do not dare to try for no 2..eheheheheheh... govt does not seem to see this problem... (yest's rally was a disappt)....
 
Bloom, yeah lor, I thought I can see Kate too, sigh. Been a while since I last saw all the bbs. Of all times, we both fell ill together. Sigh.

Yes, I agree with you that the support to look after our kids is very important. Without good support, it is almost impossible. I think the govt just talks about procreation without caring much about the repercussions, esp for parents...and ESP for mothers! I can still remember my boss not speaking to me for 3 days when I announced my 2nd pregnancy. Imagine if I am pregnant for the 3rd time....!

Bobianah, take care. Once the roseola rashes are out, they will last for 2-3 days, and Hannah will look super pink then! But once the rashes are out, it signifies the end of roseola. Can heave a sigh of relief soon.
 
alabone.. just sent lah... u thot my english very good meh (look at the way i type!) so long as the message is there thats good enuf... so send to us ok?
 
Hello Mummies

Was so super busy with work... beginning to think if this job is suitable for a Mummy like me with no support and a hubby who is always travelling!! So tired!

Bobianah!
Congrats! Sarah is really cute and Hannah looks like a very good jie jie.... hope Hannah gets well soon, so that she can start spending time with mei-mei...

Alabone
Just write lah... if your penmanship no good hor... the rest of us dunno where to hide liao... just reflect our feelings can liao lor....

Bloom
Bingo! There is no way I can consider having a 2nd one now unless I want to be a SAHM (but its not a job that suits me). I was very busy for the last 3 weeks and hubby was out for 2 of these 3 weeks... everyday I could only work after I put JT to bed, prepare her dinner for the next day... so everyday sleep at 12+ to 1am, then wake up at 5+am to prepare her dinner then go to work....was so tired I wanted to collapse... and it was definitely affecting my work... there is no way I can have a 2nd one.... The only way that I can consider having a 2nd one is to have a intellectual part-time work.... and having a full CC subsidy even for PT employees so that the mummy can at least have some breathing space. But that's just my wishful thinking lah... the 2nd point MAYBE possible, but the intellectual PT job will not happen for many years to come...
 
Since we're at the topic of increasing birth rate, just thought I'll share a conversation with a colleague from Hong Kong who came over for a meeting last week. She read in our local papers all the talk about increasing birth rate, and we discussed the challenges of having babies. She is about to get married but her sister has a toddler who stays with them because her mum is taking care of him. We find many similarities between the HK and SG environment. Stressful and long working hours... no work-life balance, high cost of living, expensive property. Slave-driver employers... she was saying the birth rate in HK is only 0.9!!! She also said tat intellectual PT work is non-existent in HK, just like in SG... haiz... She also said something that I feel is very true... those western company open branches in Asia to take advantage of "low cost", and squeeze us dry... while they have work life balance, we are being squeezed over here in Asia. Like our company, there is a saying that the work of 8 ppl in the HQ in US translates to 1 person over here in Asia.... everytime we want to fight for headcount, its always NO Headcount!!! So much for work-life balance!
 
Bloom,
only the goodies will review on english version of the rally tonight.

hai..dunno what will happen to my no 2 man....wait for the time to get nearer then see what my mum said. hope she change her mind cos last time, she said she knew tx pattern liao and 'yi shi' saying she won't be looking for my no 2 liao.

just extended my mc this week. I'm not been gg to work since 30/7 liao.
 
bobianah
Congrats on the arrival of Sarah! Good to hear that you had a quick and smooth delivery!
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Hannah will be fine. Tim also had tat fake measles thingy in late July. It lasted for 4 days or so and the fever was scary. it shot to over 40!

Hannah looks so happy to be with little sister!
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hope you're enjoying your confinement.
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take care!

Linette
been wanting to ask you. Did Nicole get into MGS finally? I managed to get my girl into Pei Hwa after balloting. not very good for my heart! haha!
 
Hwee!
Oh, congrats! Your kids can be in Pei Hwa! Verrrry good school! I nearly wanted to opt for Pei Hwa as during phase 2C, the vacancies for MGS were much fewer compared to Pei Hwa. But eventually, we decided to forge on with MGS...and yes, Nicole got into MGS, yippee! Which phase did you ballot in? I can understand how stressful it was. The weeks leading up to registration for phase 2C were nightmarish for me. Everyday in cold sweat. Thank goodness we got past that stage now - high 5!!!
 
Linette
Congrats to you! hey, i personally feel that MGS is better than Pei Hwa cos your girls have affliation to the secondary school.
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i registered under phase 2B. if i go to phase 2C then no chance at all for me. well, all is over and settled! phew!

Mummies
any comments on the national day rally speech? i mean, it sounds good but i think it will only hinder females in their career advancement. who would want to employ females in their child bearing years? not unless you're a civil servant. think eventaully they want the females to be SAHM?
 
aiyoyo I am real lousy leh. recently busy at work din log in to forum to see postings. I missed the outing yday. I was actually on 1 day LEAVE cos I bot my gal to enrol for playgrp lor. In the afternoon I was soooo free leh. alamak.. stupid me..
Anyway i believe it was a fun gathering.

Bobianah,
congrats to ur newborn. hannah so cute.. still sayang her sis. my selinna saw her sis come back & ask her to go near her sister she cried & ran away leh.

I enrol Selinna to Edufarm Playgrp near my MIL hse. term will starts 8 Sept lor. Looking forward to her gg to playgrp also. yday bring her there.. she needs awhile to monitor the situation & seeing toys everywhere on the floor and table she starts to get active & touched them liao. slowly loved the session. Yday oni went to pay fees not go for any session oni. When i finished talking to the teacher, i asked her to leave. she didn;t want to. Ask me to sit dwn at the chair & she continued playing. the teacher is kind enuf to say let her play awhile lor. I can forsee 1st day of class she will not be crying & wanting mommy companion one. haha.
 
mbb,
my mum dont like to go out one. she's the kind that rather stay home to watch tv or read books.
don't think she will wanna bring sophia over. but thanks for the offer though.
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and oh btw.. did u change your hp #??

fizz,
yup.. dinner sounds do-able. but only on days when hubby works morning shift. can reach home earlier. else i take bus, reach home already 6pm, by the time i prepare sophia to go out... late liao.

ruffy,
wah.. so nice still on npl. have #3 and can go permanent npl liao ;) kekeke.

bobianah,
so sweet the way hannah touches sarah. like know mei mei is very fragile, must sayang gently. hope hannah recovered liao. poor her. and poor you too. must be tiring on you n your family. do take care yah?

btw.. i see all the older korkor n jiejie treat their lil sibling v sweetly hor. very very endearing.

alabone,
ya.. just write la. i am sure your letter is not as bad as u think & your penmanship is most definately better than mine. so i am ok to sign on the not up to your standard letter.
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hwee,
yah, 4 months leave sounds good... and yet scary coz companies esp SME wouldnt wanna employ child bearing years female liao. maybe must show proof of tubal ligation before they will accept. :p
but hor, even with all these extra benefit, not so easy to just jump in the bandwagon. so many other factors to consider!
 
Hwee

I agree with you. Actually having 1 more month of ML is not going to affect my decision to have a 2nd kid or not, cos my biggest problem is who is going to take care of my bb when I go back to work with the crazy hours that we have to put in at work. This is just going to make bosses think twice about employing or promoting females of child bearing age. Imagine take 4 months ML, 6 days childcare leave, 1 week infant leave, and if preggie some MC here and there... easily 5mth in a year gone liao.... if the woman is a key decision holder, who can cover her work???
I think the point is, there are a lot of women like myself who actually dun mind a slower pace job, lower pay, etc.... but the job market is such that its either I quit to be a SAHM, or I throw myself back into the corporate rat race.... sigh...
But I am waiting for the announcement for bigger child care subsidies!!!
 
star
exactly, the SME will all freak out! my hubby dun even dare to ask for his 2 days of ccl before and now 6 days? i mean to some companies, this is more than half their entitlement of annual leave! i like it when you say must prove your ligation to get employed! haha!

Dora
we wait and see la. but the subsidy is indeed very little. last time when i put my #1 in a child care near my work place it was $700+ a month after subsidy. how in the world can i afford to put 2 kids in child care, unless i make super big bucks? infant care is even more ex!
 
Sylk

Wow!! The 3 girls have grown so much!!! Can't wait for the gathering on 30-Aug to meet up!! More pics more pics!
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Hwee
Yeah... and if suay suay like JT who has food allergies, can only go to those super ex CC, then if I have #2 (in infant care), I dun work better lor! Those very cheap CC, really worrying one... you look at their menu, everyday eat sausage, fish cake, nuggets... haiz....
 
Hwee, we didn't manage to take group photo. Anyway, the mummies were all shying away from the camera. Come join us next time, then you'll see the mummies.... heh heh.
 
sylk
ha! i tot so too! i'm looking forward to the month end gathering!

Dora
dun assume that more ex childcare has better menu hor. last time my girl also eat susauges and drink campbell soup! sigh! they call this breakfast! i dun dare to imagine those cheaper CC's menu.....
 
Dora, Hwee

Yeah...4 mths ML sounds very temptin in the s/run...but it is def gonna make employers tink twice abt employin women of child bearin age...except for stat board...my previous co actually employed a woman when she was 6 mths preg...n shortened her confirmation period to 3 mths...so tat she cld take ML...but she left 6 mths after she gave birth...

Take me for an eg...I m a so called SAHM now...if I were to apply for a job now...the co wil tink...I hv oni 1 child at 2 yo now...I m stil at child bearin age...they wil deduce tat I wil wanna try for no 2 soon...given the age gap of my 1st child n my age...so who dares to employ me now...unless I really hv my no 2...n produce a cert of ligation...as wat Star mentioned...

It wld b gd if they gif men paternity leave too...so as to bal out the glarin discrepancy...

Yes...ex cc gifs junk food too...a kindy cum cc at the same league as Pat's...was offerin mee goreng, nasi lemak, etc...

Star...

ON lah...lemme noe when yr hb is on morng shift...we can do dinner...

Mbb...

Wat time is yr mth end gatherin...I c if I can resch Cae's class...;P

Sylk...

Wow...all the gers look tall...
 
<font color="0077aa">hwee,</font>
re:NDP rally.
for me, I think they forgot to target 3 pts - hospital policy (cos delivery of sec child is much more ex than first child. that's what KKH customer service told me). secondly, they did not implement how company cope with staff who take 4mth leave and shd introdue more pro-family oriented issue.thirdly, they shd adjust the medicial charges. cos medicial bills are quite high.keep on increasing. my frenz jokes why they did not give free hospital stay as well.

dunno when they implement the new bb bonus cos my frenz is gg to due in early sept liao.dunno she can enjoy the goodies or not.

re: food in ccc. some even have claypot rice. almak, so oily...


<font color="0077aa">Jen</font>,
hey, I'm gg to enrol tx to edufarm too near my mum's hse next yr. today is the day where invited parents are to go for the resisteration. will be gg with hubby later for registration. hmm...can start early meh??
 
Fizz
if i'm a potential employer, i'll def think twice and thrice abt employing a female in her child bearing years. have to set aside so many days of leave.... and 4 months of maternity leave, by that time the temp can take over the job fully already....

hey, let's see when they implement this, with 6 days of child care leave, will see if we can go kai kai one of these days. :p

afcai
hmmmm....dun think there's any difference for delivery of #1 and #2. for hospital policy, they allowed the use of medisave already, so i guess they will not reduce the hospital bill anymore. if i remember correctly, for those who opt for class C wards, the whole bill is taken cared by their medisave, no cash component is necessary.

my guess is that the new bb bonus will be with effect from sept onwards.

guess i can be a temp if no company wants to employ me permanantly cos need to cover new mummies for 4 months now! haha!
 
hwee,
dunno leh, the kKh customer service told me first and sec child delivery charges different. did not dig out more infor cos not interested that pt of time.

for me, I opt for B2+ class (5 bedder with own toilet and aircon), I also did not pay a single cash. all claim by medisave bills (max $450). KKH even refund me a cheque of $500 too for all antental visit. but if can, given more cash intensive better mah, this scheme does not benefit sahm leh...think they shd also look into sahm too.

but last time, the new policy of Maternity leave started from 1 oct 2004 only. hope this time round, started earlier. my another friend due end of this mth wor....siao dun think she can enjoy leh.
 
Hwee/Fizz

Actually JT's CC also have claypot rice, chicken rice.... but I've seen the food that they serve, not oily one.. The auntie cook the chicken rice in chicken stock only. Also depends lah. They also have fish cake and sausages occasionally, but most of the time they have chicken and fish. So I think you have to visit them during their meal times then see what they serve. The other problem I have is that most CC that I visit only give frozen pacific dory, that's why must deep fry. JT's cc gives fresh batang fish like teochew fish porridge style, and they totally dun have fried food in the menu which I like. But really very ex lor... Just 1 kid I can afford, if have #2 no way I can put both kids in this type of CC lor... dun work better.

Hwee
Yah lor... actually very difficult to find temp, esp for exec positions. I think western countries they can have long ML because their people are not overstretched, so they can easily distribute 1 person's work to the rest. But for Singaporeans, everyone is already working at 120% capacity, going home at 8-9pm everyday, if still have to cover for someone who goes on ML for 4 mth, you really cannot blame the colleagues and bosses for being unhappy. I think the govt should get to the root of the problem. Reduce the cost of doing business so that everyone won't be so stressed up. Then the babies will automatically come.
 
Afcai...

There wont b incentives for SAHM wan lah...the govt is tryin very hard to get women bac to the workforce...as the cty is oredi facin insufficient workers to increase pdtivity...retiremt age is oso increasin...furthermore...the govt is actually encouragin more educated women to bear children...generally...a higher proportion of SAHM r not women holdin executive positions...(exclusion clause: I m not sayin all the SAHM here r lower inc earners...I m a SAHM)...as the opp cost for executive lvl women is too high...given the above reasons...y shld incentives b intro to SAHM...haizzz...I dun expect tat lah...but it is a nice-to-hv tinky...hee...for me lor...

Hwee...

Hee...there is tis punchline...the men take cc leave to go golfin...the women r left takin care of the kids...

Ok...I shall wait...;P

Cae can now open the door...headache..
 
Fizz
Welcome to the club! Tim started opening doors a while back. now he takes my keys and can manage the correct key into the key hole. just cannot turn only. sigh!

hmmmm..... no wonder no paternity leave! haha!

Dora, Fizz
Personally, i would have preferred direct $ from the govt. the increase in all the leaves will is a huge disadvantage to the females.
 
afcai,
no difference lar for #1 or #2 child birth. U might have interpret wrongly when the nurse tell u bah. For me i see snr consultant (same gynae as my #1) oni the consult fees different nia lor. both i also saw him at TPS lor. then #1 i downgrade to B2+ mah then see doc in Clinic B lor. then #2 see him all the way lor. cos since my hb still have the CSC card for me to use (pay oni 40% of my bill each time) so i see him in tps till delivery lor.
I am glad i took him for labour lor.. he very pro &amp; stitches are done good and he very confident. of cos all are high costs lar. I paid $870 for his delivery charges. I din take epi anything.. then i still managed to get back few hundred dollars also lor.

Got 1 day for registration meh? I called them they say go down anyday to make pymt be4 term starts. so i took leave to go dwn yday lor. somemore must be btwn 9.30 - 1130am/ after that the teacher will go home liao. such easy job if i dun want to earn hi salary i will also go work part time like this. haha
 
30th Aug (saturday). for mummies who cant take leave.
1.mbb
2.Dora
3. Shihui
4. afcai (tbc depend on timing n location)
5. serene
6. Jackie
7. sylk
8. bloom
9. conniemummy ( but only till late afternoon, cos gt dinner function..)
10. nana
11. hwee

dinner/lunch? we better comfirm the venue and make a booking coz it's weekend and our group is pretty big.

Gan,
come la!
 



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