(2006/07) JULY 2006 MTB

Hi dear,
It may be good to occupy ourselves otherwise we'll dwell too much into our pregnancy & make ourselves miserable. I know I'm one example.
 


Hi chrys,
dun think we need to buy maternity bra so soon in the pregnancy. Probably after our 2nd trimester then need to buy. I'm now wearing normal bras but bigger size.
 
Hi Val, my girl just turned 3 in Nov.

Hi Chrys, I am wearing m bras now becoz all the normal ones that i have are too tight.Actually, only need to buy after 2nd trimester. All my m bras are also nursing bras.IF u don't intend to bf your baby for long, then not necc to get so many. Just a few to tide you thro. For me, I bf my girl for 2 yrs, so I need quite a no. I also bought the perfect mum ones, the one that have built in padding. Reason is becoz most maternity bras are soft and have no padding whatsoever and you need to put padding in yourself.The add-in paddings are quite inconvenient during bf and also they make all the tops you wear look so ugly coz you can see the outline of the padding sometimes.So since I intend to BF my baby for long too, its a good investment. But they are costly. Actually, the online stores all contain quite good maternity bras too. Can try.
 
WOW kin,
u breastfeed ur girl till 2YO. Thumb up for u. I give up at the 1st month. I got inverted nipple problem. I went to get the nipplette to correct it this time. Hopefully i can Bf my next one longer.

YB,
mother is not easy but is a very rewarding post.
You will get rewarded by the smile of ur child, when he/she calls u "mom mom', then they wants u at nite. When no one can pacify they but only u. When they walk up to u and give u kisses, hugs, cuddy u. so much so much more things to joy of.

We are bless with a fertile womb to bear a child. No matter wat, u have pull thru it ok!

Mel,
i spotted a few but i dun know shld i order now. i went to chinatown today and spotted a very Ah soh dress that i can wear at home.. only $10.. hahaha..

Ok i sent u a mail. Anyone intersted to join in and buy?

Haiyo u all mummy talking abt weight. I think i am the heaviest here. I didnt gain a kg, may be i have enough in my body for the feotus now. I tell myself cannot gain too much but bb must still grow else i will be a giant after giving birth.

Ah one gd news to share.
Rbr the 2nd pix of my daughter i posted earlier?
I sent in to chinese motherhood magazine and got selected. It was published out in one of the page.. hee hee.. didnt win much, only 2 VCD but still happi!
 
hong,
Congrats
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Is it mamabaobei mag?

kin,
I salute u man... Like hong, i oso hope i'll succeed in bfg tis time round.

YB,
Yar, occupy urself wif stuff that u won't be able to do after u deliver. Activities like a romantic dinner/holiday wif hubby, watching movies etc... Or do some reading abt the care of children.
 
Hi YB,
I'm just like u. thyroid has been controlled & within the normal range so doc told me that i could try ttc safely without taking any med. But now, it's back n in fact, it's now the reverse. I'm hypo.

I guess perhaps ur gynae not very experienced about thyroid. My doc at sgh told me that it's not the gynae who would monitor. There's another doc at KKH who would monitor n he would advise e gynae about it. Not sure if it's cheaper but i dun have to travel to 2 different places.
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YB, how come it gets more exp? thot after the 1st visit, the repeated visits will be cheaper. I usually spend about $30 or $40 plus on each visit excl. blood test.

If u r more comfortable with ur gp, then stick to him. shd be ok as long as u have someone monitoring.
 
Hello all,

I'm new in this thread, EDD will be on 12 July 2006.

Does anyone know issit safe to eat durians and chocolates during first trimester? Heard it's heaty so not sure if got side effects by taking them anot. Pls advise.
 
Hi Jadepearl
here's my info.. EDD:26 July 2006 OBGYN: DR C T Yeong.. tks for the update..

Hi lego_mum
Welcome..I think it shld be save as long as we dun eat in excessive.. as for chocolates, from wat I understand it is because of the high sugar content and also caffeine is found in chocolates makes it advisable not to consume too much of it..
 
Hi Hong, bearybeary,
Actually BM is the best food you can give your newborn baby, if not 2 or 3 mths, at least one mth for all the good colostrum and antibodies. I;m not against formula milk feeding but no matter the pain, the difficulty, the waking up every 1 to 2 hr or so, its all worth it when you see your baby grow up to be healthy and strong.Just like now, when we are all suffering from 1st trimester pains, breast feeding is actually, in my opinion, more easier then all the MS.
 
kin,
i failed my daughter. I think she did take the colostrum. I hope i can do better this time.

Lego_mum,
durian, yes but not too much cos fattening.
Chocolate, yes not too much as well.

berybear,
yah is mamabaobei, under a Star is born.
 
Hey Hong,
Never say you fail your daughter. Look at her so stong and tall and healthy! We all try our v best what! I'm sure you can do better this time.
 
hi pepper,

congrats to u! thats early to be able to see that its a baby boy.

hi mummies,

I really want to stay awake but my eyes just simply start to close around 7pm onwards...hoping that I'll not be so tired when I reach my 2nd trimester.
 
Thanks littlebaby.

Hong and Mel, the price in imaternity seems really reasonable, but too bad most of them are only available in size M or bigger. I usually wear S/M for staff i buy here but US size is much bigger I will have to go for petite or XS when i shop there. Make sure you check on the size chart before ordering, good luck!
Someone mentioned about shops in Suntec city, where exactly is the place?
 
Hi jurong gal, i read from a book that it's ok to gain 1-2kg in 1st trimester but not too much, as it's more likely to be water retention if gaining too much weight. I also must grab thingst o eat every 2 hrs.. terrible..

zita, at 1st i thought of going for the NT scan and Triple test enough already, but my brother also encouraged me to go for NT scan and OSCAR as it's one of the best recommendation as per UK std. Might consider that.

YB, i hope that u will get a good gynae in KK. Don't give up!!

Kin, wow until 2yo? Heard that mensus won't come if we continue to bf, and if there is demand there will be supply, is it true?
i intend to bf my baby, but i dunno how to bf.. :p Is it very painful or difficult to learn? The m bra with padding cost u how much? Can the padding be taken out to wash? The salesgirl at perfect mum ask me to buy padding elsewhere and insert into the bra bcos she said the padding need to be changed every few hours as the milk will wet it very fast.. wil be sticky sticky.. is it true? (sorry, so many questions.. )

The stretch of shops selling maternity clothes is above Tower 2 @ level 3. Happy shopping!
 
chrys - lol, your DH kanchiong-ness sounds like my DH's. Is he the first in his family to bear his parents a grandchild? Am not buying the maternity/ breastfeeding bra yet coz don't know how big my boobs will get. So, wait and see. Right now, wearing sports bra.

jurong gal - Don't worry too much about the weight gain as long as both mommie and bb is OK. I still have MS and vomiting.

zita - Don't worry too much. Whenever the OBGYNs do the scan, they will check everything. As long as your doc gives the all-clear, no worries.

Lok & legomom - Hi there and welcome! I guess one should just eat everything in moderation.

YB - IMHO, if you feel comfortable with your GP, you can always go back to him for your thyroid. Just inform your OBGYN which GP you are going to, I guess.

Hong - When I read the para about being a mother, I just can't wait to experience all that as I am a first time mom myself too. Congrats on getting selected for the chinese motherhood magazine!!! No, you did not fail your daugther at all *shake head*. You are a wonderful mom and I am sure your sweetheart will tell you the same thing.

Chart Updated:

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japepearl,
my DH is the only son in his family and his sisters haven't got married yet.. that's y everybody's attention is on my stomach. I think i should be more nervous than him hor.. scarry.. They so happi when my DH can't keep it anymore and reveal it to his sisters.
 
Hi all, so fast so many posting liao.. look like next years really a very popular year as for just july already got so many "puppies" ...

Kin, really "pei fu" U.. can 'tan han' till 2 yrs .. I give up at 7months as really got to spend too much at work to pump out ... now feel abit guilty ... sob**

Chrys, I didn't get those exp one, that time I got a few from john little sales, selling at $9.90 only, cotton material. but end up i didn't use it often too, as for pad there are disposable one too.

lego_mum, I ate durian during my 1st two preg, they said is very "bu". As for chocolate, try not to take so much as it contain caffine and is too sweet for us, we should keep away sweet stuff during this period.
 
Hi Shining,

issit during the first trimester u took durian? they say bb is forming in first trimester so no good to eat durian at that time. I still eat lor then got guilty when frens nag at me.So dunno whether safe or not.
 
Lego_mum, I ate it at 2nd &amp; 3rd trimester for 1st kid and as for my 2nd one i think i start to eat quite early, for this one I'm thinking to buy D24 this weekend, haha....usually they said 1st trimester should be more caution on food we take, so some of the "bu" thingy should start at 2nd trimester. but I think durian is consider "fruit" should be fine as long as we don't take too much, anything that take too much also no good. Don't worry, just like water melon they said is "liang" for our womb, but if u take 1-2 small pcs is still fine.
 
Hi Hong , Bearybearzs,chrys &amp; japepearl
Thanks for your encouraging words..I think I'm getting pregnancy blues lah....had a nightmare last night. Dreamt of my baby having holes in the head. So frightening!! A bit afraid of seeing my baby in the scan on the next visit. Scared of seeing abnormalities..

Hi erin00,
Congrats on ur pregnancy!! When is ur EDD?? Care to share which gynae r u consulting n where? Since we have the same condition. Thought we can exchange tips/notes. Did u sign up for any package?? Is ultrasound included in the package? I've calculated KKH's package. If we opt for senior consultant and choose A1 ward, then the charges will come up to higher than private hospital. But the only good thing is they have all the specialist there.
 
Hi YB..
have no worries k.. me get a lot of nightmares too.. i think all of us are in the worrying stage which will last until the second trimester when baby is more stable.. In the meantime lets all share the worries together..
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hi chrys,
my menses didn;t come till i stopped bf. The reason I stopped was to try for no. 2.but this is not a norm coz I know of many mums who exclusive bf and their menses came in a few mths after.
I bought the 3 bras at 59.90 and 3rd one at 50%. Coz for me that is more useful but not necc.
You definitely need those disposable pads becoz you will get leaky breasts as your body adjust to the ever changing demand of the bb's need.And when you get letdown while bb is feeding, your the other breast will leak at the same time so be prepared for some messy time. Actually, you may not need to get actual maternity bras unless yr breast is uncomfortably engorged. But underwired may be uncomfortable in the beginning.For me, I direct bf my gal for one yr instead of pumping out my milk as that has always been unsuccesful.And I had the luxury of staying at home for abt a yr.So just try your best.

Hi shining, You have done well at 7mths.It is really diff to persist pumping at work actually.
 
Gals, just want to share my experience with you. I engaged VANI 90211447 as my massage lady and I regreted it. If you engaged massage lady please ensure shes reliablity and she cm on the day she promised. After I make payment she used 2 months to finish the course instead of 7 days. Oil and medicine which is included in the package are not delivered. I feel so CHEATED. I just know she stay at Blk 435, Yishun Avenue 6. If you have friends looking for massage lady, please ask them becareful. I just read the thread and noticed someone also kena like me.
 
kin,
if i could persist longer.

YB,
I have dreams too and quite weird dream.

Japepearl,
very nice of u... yah hopefully this time will be longer.

MTBS,
i went to Spring maternity last nite. The $19.90 offer is nothing much. Dun know why the maternity clothes in spore is so ex. I think i give imaternity a try.

Mel,
I wanted to order a few pcs to test the size. U wanna order?
 
Hong,
I also went to Spring maternity last nite. Could we have met? My wife bought some dress and skirts there. She like, so buy lor. Difficult to find something that suit her and she like nowadays. So give in lor.

Settle most of the xmas stuff also at suntec, buy lots of small xmas gifts for the kids on this coming sat.
 
Wa..few days never come in only thread move so fast...
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hong - sorry, cant post kids pix here. hubby would kill me. he doesn't even let me send kids pix for contest or to mag. think i better respect him. sorry...

crys - guess it depends on your age then you see what the risk of down syndrome is. for me, i did the NT scanning already and gynae said bb neck thickness is within normal range. now just the blood test in week 16 to confirm all is ok.
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oh and i alrady started showing my tummy long ago. cant hide :p...pple usu surprised so early in preg can see my tummy so i tell them it's bb plus fats from 2 previous preg. nothing to be shy about...now got license to get fat...ha ha
the nursing/maternity bra can wait til 5 mths. then bust/rib cage would have expanded then size more accurate. i'm not sure bout perfect mum's bra but personally i swear by the mothercare nursing bra. i really love it. tried the triumph one but don't like that extra pc of cloth...just my opinion...also the padding they talk about could be nursing pads. those you have to wear cos really don't know when milk will flow and we don't want to be leaking milk outside. veri paisei suddenly got wet patch on our clothes...breastfeeding is not difficult but it does require us to persevere. i bfed both my kids till they were 7-8mths then stopped cos i believe they can get nutrients from other food sources...
 
hi MTBS,
congrats! i'm currently 8wks preggie n read tis thread &amp; the aug06 MTB thread often. my EDD is 5aug but i know my bb is gonna b a jul bb cos my firstborn is a premmie. according 2 my gynae, dr lawrence ang, e likelihood is my 2nd bb being premmie is very high.

juz 2 share some points on BFg (i breastfed for 13mths+, only stopped cos my son bit my nipples n caused very bad uclers on both nipples)...
1) it is true tat u do not hv menses while u BFg but u may b ovulating. i come across a few mummies who got pregnant even though they r BFg. so do b careful. :p
2) i come across mummies who tell me they hv no milk. if u r very determined 2 BF (as long as it's not causing u any stress or discomfort), u can try ways &amp; means 2 increase ur milk.
i personally tried fernugreek &amp; taking papaya/fish soup everyday. i PBFg in my son's 1st 2mths (giving him FM &amp; EBM). after tat, my son's on TBFg, totally drinking "fresh milk". he rejected bottle when he was 3mths old so in e end, i stopped giving EBM.
3) it's very essential 2 buy breastpads n i recommend Pigeon Disposable Breastpads. as for maternity bras, if u dun intend 2 BF for long, buy cheap ones from triumph or monsinmind.

for e Pigeon disposable breastpads, if u r going 2 bangkok or hv friens who go 2 bangkok soon, get them 2 buy in bulk for u. dirt cheap.
 
liverpool11
u must b a liverpool fan rt? told husband tat there's a MTB in e jul thread whose husband is a liverpool fan. husband said, "u never walk alone".
 
Hi good morning MTBs..

Thanks for all ur precious advice and experience sharing on bfg.. I am so glad. Since I am just going into 9 week, I will wait till 2nd trimester to shop for maternity bras. Gynae said 2nd tri is the best time to go shopping, some pple even go for a tour.
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I am thinking of signing up childcare courses, probably the ParentCratft at TMC, but only need to sign up at week 20, so no need to be in hurry. Anyone of u (1st time mummy) signing up for a course to? I think i definately need it, as I still dunno how to carry a baby.. (*so paiseh..)

I was asking my mum how to carry a baby in the phone, and she describes to me verbally.. which hand carry neck which hand carry body, but very difficult to imagine leh.. Both of us laughed uncontrollably in the phone. She finds me so farni, dunno how to carry baby already wan to give birth.

I think i am the lousiest mum..
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Mel,
I had sent u a mail. Tell me when u wanna place order. U order item online from US before? If not i can do the ordering.

chrys,
it is very normal that 1st time mother doesnt know how to carry a baby. u are not lousy, practise make perfect! U want i can t-loan my daughter's doll to u. hahhaa..

ParentCraft at TMC is very gd, highly recommended 1st time mum to attend.

Kelly, u are with Dr Ang! Me too..
How old is ur 1st child?

pp_02,
I understand. never mind lah.
Nursing Bra, i got mine from John Little (in hse brand). It come with a set of nursing bra and panty. I think less than $30. Very comfy too.
 
hong,
my 1st child is 14mths+, born on 10oct04. do u c dr ang at sunplaza? e wait is very long everytime so i saw him at TMC when i was 7wks but e machine at TMC not as high-tech as his machine at sunplaza leh.


chrys,
the parentcraft class is gd, then u can learn how 2 hold ur bb. ur maternal instinct will teach u how 2 hold ur bb too.
 
Kelly,
I also seeing Dr Ang at TMC. Sun plaza is too far for me. He told me his clinic machine is better. I think if i really wanna see baby in 3D then will visit his clinic.
When is your next appt? Mine is 06 Jan but i need to change to 05 Jan cos got a seminar to attend on 06.

I find his clinic assistants very rude. I called his clinic to ask Dr Ang something. he was busy so his asistants wanted me to give her my number. When i told her my number she replied me she havent got a paper and pen, asked me to wait. never mind that, she can get my surname wrong so many times when i tell repeatly is wrong and gave her the correct one.

I prefer the nurse at TMC, so gentle and pretty.

Btw, something to ask u. U know at the Lifestyle clinic they have food and drinks right. Are they for patients or only meant for doctors?
 
Hi Hong,

I m interested in Imaternity also, are we able to combine to $300 purchase? The shipping cost for $300 &amp; above is $75 rite?
 
Pooh,
i will not be using their international delivery.
Vpost can help us to rx the items and send to us. Will be cheaper this way.

I just told Mel that we can try to sum up till USD$35 and try their size 1st. After that we can make more purchase if the size, material and design ok lor.

U buy from them before?
 
Hong,
Just browsed thru the imaternity website, the price is cheaper compared to those in Sin, the patterns are nice too. just dunno whether i can wear, as i am of size s/ xs. ;p
When do u place order?
 
chrys,

no one is perfect the 1st time ard. we are learning all the time. in fact i think for 1st time parents (daddies included), the 1st child has the steepest learning curve. after that, more or less can liao but still gotta keep learning cos every child is different
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ya the TMC antenatal class is really gd esp if it's conducted by mrs wong bb. she's the senior lactation consultant there. veri informative and entertaining to have her as an instructor.

kelly - the pigeon disposable pads - is it the premium kind? if yes, i also love that! it's really absorbent and doesn't move ard the bra cup cos 2 adhesive. in fact a friend highly rec it to me too
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oh ya, just to add on...if your normal bras feel a bit tight, can buy bra extensions and then can wear own bra for a while longer. quite useful and not too ex. if i remember correctly, 2pcs in a pack from john little is 2.90 or sth like that. so no need to buy bigger bras just to use for a while...then after that can move on to maternity bras
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Hi Tracy &amp; Hong,
I seems to have lots of nightmares recently. I've dreamt of being attacked by mice &amp; bees. It's horrible!! All my dreams seem very vivid too.

Hi MTBs,
My friend also recommend the parentcraft class at TMC. She said especially the class conducted by Mrs Wong BB is good. Mrs Wong is very funny &amp; informative. If u deliver in TMC, she'll also make her rounds in the ward to assist u in BF.

I would also like to join TMC's parentcraft class. Let's all wait till Wk 20, then we join together??

Hi Hong, Mel, Chrys,
I'm also interested in buying some clothings from imaternity just to test the design &amp; size. I'm interested in it's maternity jeans. I'm usually a size S, so I should get XS or S?? Do u think the jeans will last till 3rd trimester when we're bigger??
 
Pooh, Chrys,
Are u interested in Imaternity?
can u make ur selected and email to me at [email protected]

and i see which delivery range we can go for.

($0-$35) pay $5.50
($35.01-$55.00) pay $8.05

Are u able to send me by tmr?
Cos i am thinking of trying out their clothes before CNY. Rbr to check their measurement ok.

Chrys, if you are S size now then stick to S size for imaternity. Unless ur boobs are getting bigger then u can upgrade to another size.
 
Hi Hong,
Ya, i am interested. The price that u mentioned is SGD or USD? I am looking thru and will let u know asap, by tmr. I think blouse still not to worry, as long as i choose size S (not too many though..) But do u think we can buy the long pants without having it tested on us?
 
YB,
i dun know abt pants. u must rbr to measure ur size then u check their chart again.

If low waist, those not cover the tummy may be can wear till 2nd tri cos u never know how big ur tummy going to grow.

Girls, u all just dropped me mail on the items u wanna get to my email by tmr ok!!!
 
Chrys,

Sorry is USD. So we try to hit either USD$35 or USD$55 in total to make full used of the delivery fee.

Pants, u got to try.. measure ur hips then compare with the chart. May be get something cheap for the 1st time? If not suitable u can sell it off at the market place??
 
Ok, i will learn along the way..
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Thanks!

YB,
I dreamt of mice too! My parents' house is attacked by mice, they scared me!

The Parentcraft course is meant for MTB only or both parents? I think father also need to learn hor.. else i think he also dunno how to carry.. ekeke..

The maternity long/ working pants normally sold at $70 in Sin (some even after disc). very exp hor.. but if order from imaternity cannot wear how leh>
 
hong,
ya e nurse is very rude at sunplaza. tat's y i dun mind seeing dr ang at TMC. my next appt is on 3jan but i tiking of changing it cos i starting work on tat day, cant c him anymore in e afternoons.

as for e food/drinks, i always help myself 2 it. my son loves e marie biscuit so i let him chew on it too.


chrys
both parents can attend e parentcraft.
 
Hi Hong,
Okay, I'll measure &amp; let u know by tomorrow.

Hi Chrys,
I dreamt of mice attacking my parents' house too!! So weird. WE have the same dream.
The TMC parentcraft course is for the couple. Of course, if the husband is unable to come, it's recommended that someone else accompany along.
 


Hi Chrys,
wat abt antenantal class at kkh? my preg frns go to that one.. they say its not bad..
as for TMC parentcraft, is it a must to attend onli at the 20th week?
 
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