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Hopeful- the protein shake is not awful. Can add some juice to go along with it. I don't think the shake can get off the shelf cuz i got it from the clinic.

Hazel - your perseverence is admirable & has paid off. Really precious little one!
 


Hi ineedmiracle,
I went during day 5 of my ivf cycle when my af clear. Then next session physician will ask u come back when based on your condition. For me session 2 was day b4 ER, then before ET then on day of ET then during 2ww on day of implantation (physician estimated based on transfer day and looking at my scan of the embryos)
 
Pau le..thanks..you are rite??from e 1st day of my er..it was not easy ESP when I get hyperstimulate due to ohss..I hope I can recuperate well to start everything afresh with my fet..
 
Wendy, my dr said need to wait for 2 cycles before can start FET. I m/c in April 10. Did FET in August. M/c in sept/oct. Start 2nd fresh cycle in April 11.

I need to rest a longer time before trying again because after a m/c, my body will go haywire. I did d&c both times but after that i will bleed non stop for many days. First m/c, I took medication for 2 wks to reset the body n it worked. 2nd time the medicine didn't work, I continued to bleed n I had a 5cm ovary cyst that appeared suddenly! So, 2nd time I just let body reset by itself. Bleeding stopped eventually n the cyst disappeared mysteriously too.

After the body reset, ie menses is bk to normal the following mth, I need to do SHG detailed womb check after menses cleared. I scar easily. Every d&c carries a risk of scarring. So my dr insists that I do SHG to make sure there is no scarring in the womb. He said his scan machine cannot see fine scarring. SHG involved pumping saline into the womb to give a better picture of the womb interior. Pictures are then taken. It is done at a specialized department in KKH.

Only when I clear SHG then he will let me proceed. Scarring in womb if not fixed before we try again can cAuse more problems in future pregnancy. So u can imagine the no of times I did SHG n the agony I went thru after each m/c.

So though dr said after 2 cycles can do again, is better to listen to your own body. U will know when it is good to proceed.
 
There is medicated or natural FET. Medicated FET is usually for those who hv irregular menses. No ovulation is required as oral medicine is prescribed by KKH to achieve ideal lining similar to that of natural ovulation. Some pte hospitals may use some injections. When lining reaches the ideal if abt 12mm though frequent monitoring by scan, Will proceed to ET. At KKH, the patient need to continue to take this medicine through the entire first tri when confirmed pregnant in addition to duphaston hormones support n folic acid.

I did natural FET. No drugs at all Is used. Ovulation is monitored thru frequent scan to see follicle size and ovulation kits. When we are abt to ovulate, KKH will arrange for ET cox ovulation usu take plc 12 hrs after ovulation kit shows positive. ET will take place 2 days after ovulation. Upon pregnant, will be given duphaston n folic acid.

I hv regular menses b4 I embark on ivf. So, before I try again, I will make sure i m ovulating properly n my menses r regular. How I know? Other than the above obstacles I faced after m/c, I see my dr very often for scan too. Thru these scans he can tell if my cycle is bk n ovulation has resumed.

So, listen to your own body. Dun rush.
 
My dr said I take too much time to start again. To him, as long as i clear SHG n body has reset, i can proceed coz i can always do medicated FET which only need a good womb to proceed. Menses regular or not, ovulation bk or not is not impt.

I told him I used to hv regular menses n ovulating every mth. If these r not bk, it means my body is not ready. I dun wan to rush into it even though he tells me I m not getting any younger...
 
Hazel: can u advise if there any diff bet tps n clinic d? Diff treatment n medication will b given by dr Loh if seeing him in diff places?

Charges as well ? Thks.
 
Bliss, tps has a nicer environment with it's own routine test rooms, toilets, pharmacy, sofa seats, free coffee/tea/Milo and apples. It is on the first floor next to the children specialist clinic near to the DBS ATM machines.

It offers evening clinic so u can fixed appointment at 5pm or even later. More convenient as we dun hv to take leave to go. Dr loh has clinic from Tues onwards. He is at clinic d In the morning till 3pm. After which he will go over to tps. Some nights his last appointment is 730pm. If after main pharmacy closing hours, medicine r dispensed at tps instead.

Clinic d is crowded n messy to me. But tps is nicer, nurses are friendlier too. Consultant charges are abt $15 more expensive than clinic d For a Better environment. Medicine given n cost r the same.

Not all Drs hv tps clinics. I know other than dr Loh, dr sadhana also has. Other clinics Drs also hv. But dr tan hh of clinic d who some sisters r seeing dun hv.
 
Hi hazel, I see. The no need of taking freq leave seem attracting.
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Btw, as in ur experiences, aft bfp, wat r the things we can eat or eat more?

Still need anymore bedrest? Coz I feel like gg bk to wk nex week.
 
Eat wat u like! Eat nuritious Food. Just avoid uncooked food, herbal stuff cooked outside, unpressurized cheese/milk. Everything ok can go bk to work. Nausea feeling may kick it soon n make working tough. But try lah as long as is nothing serious.

My appointment with dr Loh at tps is Always in the afternoon. These days I dun go to work that day cox I will ask him for a MC! He gives full day MC one! Ha!
 
Hehe I went diahorrea 3 times today and googled that diahorrea is indeed a pregnancy sign due to rise in hormones, progesterone. Others have nausea or constipation. Now whereever I go I make sure I knw where toilets are. Thanks for the info on tps hazel! It does sound a lot more cozy!
 
Hi wendy
Very shock n surprise to hear ur sad news.. As we r once bfp buddy in the dec thread.. Still remember me? Sigh.. I can feel ur pain dearly as i remember that ur first trimester is oways spotting n u r in out the hospital most of the time.. I thot u n ur bb hv pull thru after first trimester and never thot this will happen to u. Feel very sad as u hv been thru so much to
Hv this precious bb too.. Life still hv to go on.. Take some time to tiao urself, do a good confinement to build up ur body.. As long as u dun give up, u will definitely deliver a healthy baby in ur arms.. I am also waiting to do fet...If u need someone to tok to.. Can oways pm me.. Rest well gal n big hugz to u..
 
Ineedmiracle: yr welcome!

Hi hazel, do you know if it's normal to have some wet fluids on yr undies at 4 wks? I'm having that and wonder if it's normal..
 
Congrat to Kimmy n bbliss!!
Kimmy, pls give me lots of bbdust.Just as i expected, u hv diarrhoe is one of the bfp sympton. ;) wonder whether bbliss hv this sympton too? One milestone clear, so envy. Rest well ya n hv a smooth 8mths!!

Big hugz to wongval n wendy
The road really not easy but if u see the adorable kids outside, u will remind yourself never giveup. Tiao ourselves well before we embark our next try k. Lets Gambatte together!! We will bfp n hv a smooth nine mth pregnancy at our next try! Jiayou.
 
Hi ladies,

Mi jus return from 2 nd scan today at KKH. The 8 follicles are ready to be Harvested next wed n ET will be on Friday. For a lady aged 35, is 8 follicles considered littie huh? yeah mi jus hope that more k be fertilized.

Oh yes, today collected a course of antibotics. the nurse say to take it after the procedure. Is after ER or ET? Cos I m confused. The medicine is green n white. Think is harmful to the stomach if taken on empty stomach.

Yeah another thinking problem is that previously I only told my director that I m away frm national day period. Since tins move smoothly now, I will be on 3 more days from next wed. Do u share with your boss or take your own leave? I m thinking to set my own out of office email message too. Mi in civil service so boss is quite supportive jus Tat I paisheh to clock so many mc. Anyway my boss aleadly told me sure affects my performance bonus. guess sometime in life, we jus have to embrace the priority that is more impt to us now. do u all let your boss inform your team huh? I m thinking of sending a final email at end of tue n jus inform the message of I will be out of office from this date to this date. Pls approach xxx whom is the covering officer. Hmmhmm even thinking of breaking up the news of absence so that the away doesn't seem long. Original plan is thinking of informing only 3 days MC first. After national day then hospitalization leave. Cos that will seen like the hospitalization leave is short. Haha am I thinking a lot huh?
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Ladies k share with me how do u all do it? do u inform your team or take it like as an urgent matter?
 
Discharge increased for some mtbs. As long as no foul smell n not in greenish colour shld be fine. Cut down on cooling stuff.
 
Hi gambatte, I haf no symptoms even diaharre during e 2ww. Even aft bfp like now, I oso not much symptoms expect for some mild cramps on n off at times n feeling tired.

Kimmy: I oso goggled ard n realize that diaharre is also one of e side effects of too high progesterone level. R u still on very high dosage of progesterone jabs or med?
 
Thanks hazel! Just google & read watery discharge is normal, will also steer clear cool stuff...

Thanks gambatte, here's bb dust!!!! Thanks for yr confidence in me again! Im sure u will be a mummy soon and I will congrats u!

Thanks bbliss for the info! For a while I was worried..but I read that to monitor that it doesn't worsen. For me after 2 times today then stopped. Phew! Yes I agree that we tire easily! I fell asleep just sitting on the couch at about 8ish! For me I'm on duphaston now. I assume yr on same? ;)
 
Antibiotic starts after ER. Ivf Is something personal so u dun really hv to say if u dun wan to. The moment u tell someone, soon the entire team n department will know n gossip! U cAn say u r going for a woman's surgery. Tell your boss it has been brought forward to x date coz your dr wun be available NDP that wk. It shld not come as surprise to your boss since u hv already informed him that u will be away.

FYI, I didn't tell my office pp nor my boss. Pp is already gossiping behind my bk why I m away n now gossiping if I m pregnant. They can actually go ask the secretary wat type of MC/HL I furnished! See me the daring ones will try to fish something out by asking me "r u ok? U look so tired lately."I Just ignore n said I m tired every day wat!

End of the day is your choice how much u wan to share,

Performance part sure affected. My unfortunate events last yr resulted in poor bonus n increment. This is the reality of life. We just need to be clear of our goal n not be affected. After delivery n ML, we can always get another better paying job!
 
Sorry to ask this & don't mind me but anyone's gas/farts become more regular & foul smelling? Haa! I just read on pregnancy gas
 
Hi Hazel,

Thank you so much for sharing with me on your approach. I also had a MIscarriage earlier this year n my current boss did give me support n that why I only share with my mgr n director. Of cos ask them to keep a secret for me.

Dun intend to tell any of my teammates as I totally agreed that it will definitely set tongues wagging. u are totally right. We have to be very clear on what we need to do. For career , we can always catch up in our life later.
Wishing you success in the TTC journey too
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Hi hazel, I really admire ur strength. Hope this pregnancy will be smooth for u after all what u've gone thru. Really appreciate u sharing ur experience with all of us.
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Hi sunbelle, seems we're in same cycle, together with hopeful as well. I also just had my 2nd scan at kk today. My biggest follicle is 21.5. Was taken by surprise when doc told me to do ER on Mon.. During 1st scan on Thu, was told ER likely to be on Tue, so I've told my boss & team tt I'd take 2wk leave starting on Tue.. After discussion with dh, decided to postpone ER to Tue so tt I can do proper handover to my team on Mon as planned. Doc only told me to take another Puregon injection this morning.. hopefully it won't affect my chances..

At the start I've told my boss abt this ivf journey and he's been really supportive. I told some of my close frens in office, but mainly to get moral support. To other colleagues, I only plan to tell them tt I'd be taking 2-wk mc for some operation. I dun mind informing them the truth, but I just dun want them to pity me if this cycle doesn't succeed. I'm doing icsi coz of dh's sperm issue. So I guess the real test hasn't started. Still a long way to go..

Btw, doc also prescribed me green tablets (no white ones?). They'll inform me when to take only after ER so I'll bring along on tt day. Let's jiayou together!

Hi hopeful, I'm taking milk for additional protein, altho am getting mild diarrhoea as well.. Ur follicles seem to be on their way. Slightly slower than mine, but more importantly steady. Jiayou!
 
Hi Kimmy: yupz...given oni e duphaston n folic acid. Btw, I do e same situation as in farting alot. Haha....wonder how will it be when I gg bk to work trw.

Do u experience cramps or stomach discomfort? For me, I still haf that. Hmm.....

Hazel: thks for all e sharing n advice. U r juz like our 'live' encyclopedia
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Moo3moo: once u started to take e green antibodies tablets, pls consume ur milk intake oni aft 2 hrs later of taking e tablets. Rem to oso avoid high iron for tat period of medication. Some will feel nausea n diaharrea aft takin e med but these r just e side effects.

To all other sisters in mid of 2ww or another cycle, jiayou as u will never noe e next striker will be you! Bbdust to all 

For those bfp sisters, wish u gals a smooth sailing 9 mths ahead!
 
Hazel, moo3moo: for mi, I oso did nt tell my boss n collagues that I gg for IVF. During my hl period of 2 weeks, my colleagues got msg mi n ask wat wrong but I still keep mute on this. Give excuse like minor surgery.

I actually a public servant n kinda of worried gg bk to work coz during tat time when I hl is actually e busy period but really no choice. My situation here is tat, I juz started work in tis new org for abt 9mths n still in mid of their 1 yr probation. Tis likely to affect my overall performance inevitably rite. But I really haf to make a decision afterall ya. Career or bb. I now oso cannot let my bosses noe I preggy coz I haven been confirmed n wori tat they mayn't confirm mi if noe I preggy. Hmm.... Actualli in quite a messy situation now. Ha.

Any words of wisdom to share?
 
Hi Sunbelle n Moo3moo.. Envious that you gals are embarking on the nx stage.. I m still pumping Lucrin n puregon here. But all the best to both of u nx week!! Rest well during 2ww!!
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Sigh.. Follicles pls grow.. Already pumping 450 iu. I guess thr is nothing much doc can do now Except to wait for them to grow. Aft tonite, it will be 12 days of puregon. Does anyone have the same experience?

For me, I only told my boss. He was very supportive. I told him not to tell other colleagues n we told the rest that I need to do some minor op. I guess all of us have the some reasons for not sharing the info; gossip, pitying us if bfn, n for
me, I m more superstitious. If it's bfp, the more they shd not know until tummy can't hide. Hahaha..

Hi bbliss, if I'm in your shoes, I also won't say. Situation is a bit fragile. Just stick to minor op story..
Actually, it did not even occur to me that this will affect my performance bonus n promotion. But I think it's all worth it. We can go back to the corporate race aft we give birth, but the longer we wait to b bfp, the lesser time we have to b preggy n this is irreversible.
 
Civil service not as bad. At most affect your performance rating, they wld not ask u to go. Hey they got to support govt.'s moto of encouraging working women to give birth leh.

Also, Is a rule that Cos cannot ask a pregnant to go so as not to discriminate. Shld apply for probation staff, check out MOM's website.

When I started this fresh cycle, I was in midst of a big project. I was like u, worrying n thinking hard if I shld postpone till after project is completed. But after thinking I decided to proceed. It does not matter when I go on hl/mc, all the good work I put in prior to that will be erased n my performance will still be affected. Last yr was wat happened. My ER was much faster than first fresh. My follicles were ready for harvest at d7 of gonal-f! I still hv not done my report for the project then n there were a couple of issues unresolved. I just told my boss, urgent, so dr brought forward n I went. Nothing to hand over as I m the leader of the job. The junior staff wun know wat to do. During the 2ww, I was working on the report at home n then while my manager helped to resolve the issues. I will dial in n discuss where necessary. When I returned after 2ww, then I wrapped up the project administratively. I was not stressed over work during 2ww though my office laptop n email were on all day. I just take it easy.

Really admire you sisters, can sleep so late n wake up so early. I napped yesterday. But my 11pm I was so tired after goceries shopping that I slept. Whole night dunno woke up how many times to go pee. Eyes opened a while ago feeling tired n no satisfaction fr a gd sleep. I m still in bed, yet To even go wash up. The old folks always say is tough to get pregnant at more advanced age... Which is v v true. So u can imagine how tired I look at work everyday now!
 
Hi bbliss..
Yes I do experience discomfort too. My bloat is reducing a lot though, should I be concern ah?! Since bloat is supposed to be good. Hahaha
 
Hi wendy,

Sorry to hear what you have gone through.
Take care alright. we are all behind you.

Hi Hazel,
Now i wake up once a nite to pee..unlike the 1st trimester where i woke up at least 2-3 times to pee than afterwhich i can't go back to sleep. Some of my colleagues from other team are gossiping behind me too guessing if i'm pregnant etc.. I only tell my boss and team mates. Anyway they can guess all they want cos my tummy is still quite small so alot of my close colleagues even joked that i dun look pregnant. I do eat alot but dunnoe where the food goes cos didn't gain much weight.

Hi babymaking,

oh hahahhaaa blur me, so Oscar is detailed scan and blood test. wat i meant is i don't need to go for the amniontic fluid test which is a comfort to me cos i feared needles and low threshold for pain.
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Hi hopeful, agree with wat u said n tat y I keep mute abt it n proceed with e long hl. Taking e risk tat the extg proj which I m leading will be taken over by my colleague instead.

Hazel: ok, will chk e mom website to see e rule apply to probation staff nt. But haf tis feeling tat when I bk to work trw, e proj which I m doing will be other ppl job liao. My boss has always in favor of my male colleague n my male colleague oso noe how to get his good book. Since he has been eyeing to lead e proj which I doing, I believe he has got it. Anyway, oso Bo bian. Choice would always has to be made.

Anyway, how many weeks/mths r u in now? Aft u bfp, do u haf cramps or stomach discomfort? I experiencing for e past few days on n off including nw. Is this normal?
 
Hi hopeful, wat e size of follicles u having now? Some sisters have recommended eating plenty egg whites to increase quality of follicles. Haf u tried eating them? Trying eating those 初生蛋. Very bu...
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btw, u started off with 450 dosage?

Kimmy: well maybe ur bloat subsides becoz u no longer taking progresterone jabs? Hehe.... Btw, r u at e clinic on fri wearing black color sleeveless dress? Juz making a wild guess to see if my motherhood forum radar is accurate. Keke....
 
Hi bbliss, I have ard 18 follicles. Largest was 12 on fri morning. I have been eating 2 only till last fri. Mummy bought me the black chicken eggs. But now intensively eating eggs. 6 last nite n trying 8 today.

Hi Moo3moo, u mentioned abt milk. Is chocolate milk ok?
 
Oh bliss, yes. I started with 450 iu from the very start. Maybe I have too many 'man' hormones in me..that's y follicles take forever to grow!! Hahaha..
 
Hopeful, u very funny. Too many male hormones. But is good to joke ard n laugh to make urself relax.

Try eating eggs in e day coz metabolism in day faster than at nite hence more can be absorbed easily. I read from other Internet articles, they recommending massaging ur womb area for better blood cicrulation to boost e egg growth. Maybe can try ya.
 
Chris, as long as fetus is growing well, u shldnt be too concerned if u r putting on weight or not. U most likely has no tummy to begin with, that's why your tummy is still relatively small. my gf put on 2kg in first tri.. Thereafter 2kg every mth. When I saw her at 6 mths, she was big ok. U wld think she is due too. She has a bigger tummy to begin with b4 pregnancy. :p. Putting slot of weight too early wld be tough later part.. Walking will be difficult too n increase the risks of GD. I hv put on close to 2nd now. My hip joints r aching daily. After food, I pant badly when I walk. Energy level is v low. U wldnt wan to be like me. For women who have been pregnant b4, tummy muscles r looser so tummy out very fast. Fetus is still so small now, the bigger tummy bump can't be caused by fetus right? So is fats! :p

Bliss, FYI, one of my high profile portfolio was taken away from me in 4Q coz I was On hl due to m/c. My boss passed to a junior staff to cover, later promoted the person this yr n was nv returned bk to me. U can imagine how sad I feel.,. ESP as if I wan all these hl! Anyway, now I look at it as a blessing in disguise. I hv less stress at work now n I will knock off on time. Coz end of day, I wan to collapse onto the bed already!

I m at the start of 12wks. Still got 2 wks more before hitting 2nd tri at 14 wks. Full 13 wks mark the end if first tri.

Cramps = pain at the centre of the entire womb. Muscle pull, is at a particular position at lower abdominal n at times can hurt too, n it comes n goes. Cramps r not v good but muscle pulls r ok as womb is expanding for growing embyro. Embyro enters fetus stage at 9wks. If cramps, dun take cooling stuff. Take warm drinks n food.

Stomach discomfort is common during pregnancy. Uterus will expand as embyro grows n push upwards on our stomach. It is often a cause of indigestion or morning sickness. Our digestion slows down during pregnancy to allow time for the food to be absorbed into our body. If u r suffering from these, avoid spicy food, porridge n take small meals. Instead of 3 main meals a day, take 6 small meals a day. Increase your intake on vitamin C food daily as vit c cannot be stored in our body. So needs to replenish everyday. Google online u will know which food/fruits r rich in vit C. Eg kiwi, orange, etc. Vit c builds up your resistance level so tt u dun fall sick easily. If we fall sick, is going to be tough a lot of medicine we can't take. Thus, prevention is better than cure ESP the flu virus is now going around.

Pregnant women also prone to get nose congestion. Google online to find out why. Dun mistake it as flu. U may wish to get the book "what to expect when u are pregnant" at borders which is currently on sale. If u r using iPhone, u can download the app for free. It gives u lots of information.

All we can do now is take care of ourselves so that we dun fall sick, be happy, dun stress n think positively. Why I say that? Dr's can't do much now if we get Cramps, spottings, etc. All they can do is order bed rest n give hormones support n monitor closely. The only time they can really do something is after 24wks. Thus, we really hv to maintain a healthy n positive life style.. If not, it will affect our precious little ones.
 
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Bbliss - mm Friday BT I wore denim shorts and a brown/nude tank. Sat to collect meds I wore black sleeveless dress though! Haha! Anyway I believe that we will have chance to meet since our scan dates will be similar and all. Hehe. Ya I think now without the jab my bloat deflated but came back slightly again!

Hazel - wow, I do look forward to my 13th week. Oh how fast time flies, still remember you talking about having dim sum at Kam boat during 2ww. Hehe. U r right too, I realize that my loose stools occur (and a hole so pain!) when I take spicy or chilli so I'm gonna cut it out by 80% at least for first tri.
 
Hi hazel, thks for e sharing. Very useful. Wow...u reaching ur 2nd trimester soon ya. Mi looking forward to that too.
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Kimmy: haha....I tink I noe who u r. If u still rem, I e one that sat nex to u during e ER tat morning while waiting in the operating room. U r e fair fair gal wearing black frame specs ya.
 
Bliss, I m a worrier n easily stressed. Used to think negatively on a lot of things coz of tt. If I can learn to relax n try to think positively, I believe those sisters who bpf or still trying can too. When unfortunate things happen, pp will say they happen for a reason. I used to think they were just consoling me. Now, I look back. There is some truth in it. My hub n I used to fight a lot. Even during the days when I were pregnant previously. After the loss, hub has learnt to be more understanding n gives in more now. Coz of the change, I also try to close one eye on some things. Last yr, I kept thinking I lost everything. My girl, my career, etc. my dreams n hopes were all dashed.

But now, I think otherwise, I didn't lose everything. I gain a more understanding hub. These days we quarrel much less than last time.

I m sharing all these coz I hv been thru it. I know the journey is tough. We must not be complacent. While we think positively everyday, we too must be cautious coz there r many obstacles to overcome to fulfill our goal of becoming a mother. Getting a bpf, is the first obstacle. There is still 9 months of uncertainty ahead. Nothing is for sure until we carry our bb in our arms. So, keep the faith going n that will keep us going.
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congrats Hazel :0) for your good news.

yeah rest more if you can during the 1st trimeter. Moo3moo : yup seemd like we are indeed in the same cycle as each other. so your ER is on tue huh? mine is on wed. tue goin back to wrap up my work and inform my bosses. yeah paisheh...only got green tablets only ...no white one....

better wear dress to go for ER so that is easier to dress back later after the sedation effects go off.got this tip from my collegue whom have gone thru it.

Bbliss :rest more if you can.anyway i guess in life we still can catch up with our career if we want. however, for child bearing, age is an impt factor. how old are u ladies huh?

hi hopeful,

maybe you wan to take 10 egg white in one day with milo huh? milo helps to cover the raw taste and is not as bad as i tot it to be so.

i tink the egg white does help in the folliciles to grow.

Hi Hazel, mi got entire similar encounter as you. was promised a higher managerial postion before my miscarriage happend. now after my few weeks of HL, they also promoted another person to take over the position and no explaination was given to me. i was rather upset that time but when i look back i tot is reasonable for the mgt to appoint someone whom will be there rather than someone whom might not be there again. sign.. that is life...fully agreed with u that now lesser stress with less managerial position i guess....having a baby is deinifely more impt to me than a mangerial position......

goin back on tue to wrap up tins and relax myself for the big day
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hope to join u gals in the BFP journey real soon.
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Bbliss!!!! I know who u are!! U were b4 me and pass me my name sticker during ER right?!
Hello!!!!!! *waves waves* hahahahahaha
 



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