bubbli26
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If I am not wrong, if the person is above 37 yrs old and has done 1 ivf cycle which is unsuccessful then can transfer for 3 embryos..This ruling was changed in 2011 I tink by MOH..
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If I am not wrong, if the person is above 37 yrs old and has done 1 ivf cycle which is unsuccessful then can transfer for 3 embryos..This ruling was changed in 2011 I tink by MOH..
Where did you go for your acupuncture? Which doc? Does the TCM give you any medicine?
Its funny right? if a person <37 tried IVF and used up the co-fund from gov and still cant transfer 3. End up by 37 the person have to spend more cz insurance is higher. And gov still said birth rate is low?
dreamirene
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My accupuncture is done at TCM Zou based in AMK. She does give med but i don't take it from her. My med is from TCM TSB based in chinatown...a bit troublesome so in fact , i see 2 TCM... i prefer fresh herbs.... but i do know of other sis succeeding under TCM Zou med..
makino88
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makino88,
Is Dr Sadhana pro on blastocyst? Do we need to request for it? Cz so far she nv recommend blastocyst for my cycles. Ya 3 embryos transfer have higher chances bt I think it depends on age. Nt sure which age can do 3 transfer. I will ask Dr Sadhana when I see her, I also hope to transfer 3.
Hi love.bb. .. I thought so cos dr sadhana was the one who suggested and encouraged me to go for blastocyst saying the real "survivors" has higher chance ..
And I qualify for 3 embryos transfer. There are two forms which I was told to sign and on it I read that under certain circumstances we can have 3 ET, one is if we have had a failed cycle, the other is age. I am 39 this year so I qualify .. I may just go for it given how much I have spent anyway ,, what's another $1K right .. ? This is my last chance before I turn 40 next year where the govt subsidies don't apply to me anymore .. I've got a 9 yo son so my stress level is not that high .. But I would really love to have another boy .. I realized that I really enjoy my son and don't mind my 2nd to be a boy too, best give me 2 more boys!! My aunties have been and will be praying for me throughout. May god bless all of us here.
want2bamummy
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Thanks Budian13! Hope your accu treatment is gg smoothly.... I had Dr Miao before.... She's gd... The only disadvantage I have is the language barrier... Her english not so good, thus difficult for us to understand each other well... But her treatment is gd for me.
bubbli26
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yup funny..they dun wan the risk of higher complication for those young age grp if strke 3..premature = high cost....but some clinics here says transferring 3 is good in fact...but wat to do the govt wans to retrict..
makino88
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Dr Zou is very costly so I stopped going halfway through my first IVF .. This time round I didn't do anything else besides taking royal jelly (800-1200mg a day), metfomin, folic acid and chicken essence every other day. I decided not to go back to immunocol protein powder. I don like it. Girls are you also taking egg whites? My gg suggested 3 hard boiled egg whites a day ..
sunstillshines
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Dreamirene, Thanks for your sharing. Grabbing your big bagful of babydust!!
sunstillshines
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Makino, is your son via ivf?
oh I see what she said in my next appt. If she nv suggest, I will suggest
I agree cz 3 transferred chances are higher, worth the $1k.
wow u really like boys...3 boys...
I hope to have 1 girl and 1 boy
thn can close shop.I rem I read that if you transfer 2 or 3, the embryos actually help each other during implantation, therefore chances are higher.
bubbli26
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oh is it...hmm to wat I heard some drs were saying they say chances of success is higher..maybe due to the reason u mention above I guess...hehehe
oh yes dreamirene..Congrats dear...;-)
melodyli1981
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Hi Ladies, I am in my 2WW too.. had my transfer on 10 Aug, Sat so it's now 4dp5dt? (Not sure if I should start counting on Sat or Sun)
I was here back in May/June but cycle got converted the the most expensive iui ever.. oh man I wanted to bang wall then!
Back again for short protocol this time and I am honestly just happy I managed to retrieve some eggies and 5 of them blastocysts.
Transferred 2 and happy I actually have 3 to freeze. I have low ovarian reserve even though I m not quite old yet, so this is not bad already. I was terrified I could never ever complete ER and ET and if ivf can't even work to the extent that I don't have eggs to take out and put in, I don't know what else works...
Now waiting n waiting... I didn't really bed rest. Starting to feel a little guilty that I go out a couple of times to eat (driven) and I get up to work a couple of hours to clear some urgent emails. Other than that I am lazing around and reading or watching 'Zhen Huan Zuan' too! LOL.. yes, i finished all 76 episodes last week even before i finish ET.
BT is on 21st, so far i don't think i feel anything different?? I feel that my ovaries are alittle achy and if i have too big a movement, it hurts. But I guess that due to the ER rather than a symptom? Praying really hard together with the rest of the ladies on 2WW
I was here back in May/June but cycle got converted the the most expensive iui ever.. oh man I wanted to bang wall then!
Back again for short protocol this time and I am honestly just happy I managed to retrieve some eggies and 5 of them blastocysts.
Transferred 2 and happy I actually have 3 to freeze. I have low ovarian reserve even though I m not quite old yet, so this is not bad already. I was terrified I could never ever complete ER and ET and if ivf can't even work to the extent that I don't have eggs to take out and put in, I don't know what else works...
Now waiting n waiting... I didn't really bed rest. Starting to feel a little guilty that I go out a couple of times to eat (driven) and I get up to work a couple of hours to clear some urgent emails. Other than that I am lazing around and reading or watching 'Zhen Huan Zuan' too! LOL.. yes, i finished all 76 episodes last week even before i finish ET.
BT is on 21st, so far i don't think i feel anything different??
I feel that my ovaries are alittle achy and if i have too big a movement, it hurts. But I guess that due to the ER rather than a symptom? Praying really hard together with the rest of the ladies on 2WW
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sunstillshines
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Melody, you have strong embbies there! Did you request for blastocyst culture or your doc has suggested it?
My ET was also 10 Aug. Sat is consider day 0. You are right - 4dp.
For me, today is 4dp2dt. Your bt is just less than a week more!
My ET was also 10 Aug. Sat is consider day 0. You are right - 4dp.
For me, today is 4dp2dt. Your bt is just less than a week more!
melodyli1981
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Melody, you have strong embbies there! Did you request for blastocyst culture or your doc has suggested it?
My ET was also 10 Aug. Sat is consider day 0. You are right - 4dp.
For me, today is 4dp2dt. Your bt is just less than a week more!
I had 9 follicles, 9 eggs which was a surprise. Dr could only see 6 and we still went ahead in the end. *Thank god!*
Out of 9, 8 matured and 7 fertilized via icsi. So now left with 5... Phew... I was so afraid egg quality was bad and I end up with none because Dr Foong said he would like to go for blastocyst for ladies my age since quality should be better under normal circumstances. So I just left it in his hands to decide what's best.
But it does seems like he is in the camp of blastocyst = survival = higher chance of pregnancy I think. Cos even when I had this little eggs, he was still quite confident of going all the way to D5.
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Can you share with me the cost for Dr Zou? So far I start taking TCM med last wk, have not start on acupuncture. Want to give it a try.
What does egg whites help in?
sunstillshines
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Melody, I am right that for the 7 fertilized embbies, 2 were cultured successfully to blastocyst stage? And thus, you still have 5 more frosties?
sunstillshines
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Egg whites helps bloatedness. Generally, PCOS patients will produce a lot of folicles and this resulted in bloatedness. Egg white is believed to ease bloatedness. Some of the ladies can take up to 10 eggs per day.
melodyli1981
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SSS, out of 7, all were cultured for blastocyst. 2 didn't make it to be blastocyst. So I have a total of 5 blastocyst, put in 2 and froze 3.
heehee I was hoping eat eggs can produce more eggs. You all know what to eat to improve egg quality and quantity?
makino88
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I had some jabs taken too .. I think what I went through was IUI. I conceived in my 2nd cycle (age 29) but miscarriaged soon after. D&C in Dec and I conceived again the following month (cos I heard women tends to be very fertile after D&C) .. But after delivery, my MC was again erratic and nonexistent (PCOS) so I couldn't conceive despite trying ways and means including TCM, acupuncture, and whatever dr friends recommended. A friend of mine worked in KKH as a nurse and she recommended Dr Loh so I went to him for IVF .. I also tried SO-IUI with Dr Loh at TMC but it was expensive and unsuccessful .. I paid about $3600 for tat one cycle alone. Cold hard cash! Dr Loh suggested I go back to KK in order to take advantage of the subsidy.
makino88
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I heard Royal Jelly helps so I'm taking it .. I couldn't get Suntory brand so I went for foreverliving. Not too bad. It's like candy so I enjoyed chewing 3 to 4 tabs daily. But it is recommended to take at least 4 months before TTC .. I was too late but thought no harm trying ... I've been taking it for about 2 months ..
makino88
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Sorry dear I cannot recall exactly.. But briefly consultation is about 30 and acupuncture $30 and med is charged by daily basis so can you imagine going 3x a week ..? Faint ...
Cassandra Foo
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Have you heard there's protection for IVF babies even in the mother's womb?
If you all thinking of having protection and a peace of mind, I have a solution to the following problems:
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sunstillshines
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Wow... Melody, this is a very good result. Your embbies are really strong. You must be quite young.
sunstillshines
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haha... no leh. If yes, I will be very scared... hahaha
sunstillshines
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Hello Ladies,
Have you heard there's protection for IVF babies even in the mother's womb?
If you all thinking of having protection and a peace of mind, I have a solution to the following problems:
Email me: [email protected]
Subject: IVF Protection
Cassandra, I guess you are an insurance agent. I think you should approach hospital. All our insurance is tied to the hospital.
sunstillshines
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Makino, not trying to discourage you. Like what lovebb said, RJ can result in endo, it is better to be careful as you are a PCOS patient.
I am a PCOS too. I did HCG before and my tubes were both cleared. However, last year, I did a lap with Dr SF Loh and found both tubes blocked by polyps. I suspect it was the RJ that I was taking. As such after my lap, I stopped the RJ.
Just my 2 cents worth.
melodyli1981
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Hahaha no la.. just look at my Nick u know how old I am... Just 'too young' to have DOR
Was yours a FET? Sorry... Too many sistas here I blur already cannot remember. But since we ET together let's bfp together! Jy Jy!
makino88
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Omygoodness! I didn't know this! I asked dr Sadhana and she said ok to go ahead! ok warning bells are ringing .. I'm gg to google before resuming. Thank you so much for letting me know. PCOS is so argh!
MyBaby73
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Sunstillshines, if you need AH the embryologist will suggest to you. Maybe your egg shell not hard at all so not necessary. Don't worry ok.
CMR, Hugs Hugs try again.
Dreamirene, grabbing your bb dust....Congrats!
Makino, you must have enough embbies to do day 5 transfer. It is a risk too cos some girls end up with nothing to transfer if embbies cannot survive till day 5. You can always decide after retrieval. As sunstillshines said, there are different theory. Some dr feels that embryo survive better in the womb than in the lab.
CMR, Hugs Hugs try again.
Dreamirene, grabbing your bb dust....Congrats!
Makino, you must have enough embbies to do day 5 transfer. It is a risk too cos some girls end up with nothing to transfer if embbies cannot survive till day 5. You can always decide after retrieval. As sunstillshines said, there are different theory. Some dr feels that embryo survive better in the womb than in the lab.
dreamirene
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love.bb, each accupuncture session costs $30 at Dr Zou. is a total of 40min - 20min on the front and 20min on the back
dreamirene
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Oh yah... Not sure cos I hav been seeing her all along... so when I juz go for accupuncture, she charges $30, without any consultation fee.
hopemiracle30
Active Member
Yeah, no consult few Dr Zou, just $30 acu front back
Hi mui_yoh, it is common to hv late af after failed cycle... need not to worry....
sss, I thought ew and brisk walking will aid in follicle growth too...
Thanks Makino88 for all the information.
Royal jelly? I dont think I can take Royal Jelly, cz I have endo. & I google royal jelly will cz endo
wow it exp. My TCM is about $40 for 1 wk med.
love.bb,
not ex not ex... think abt the cost of ivf.... anything to boost chance is worth to try....
makino88
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Make an appointment .. The queue can be pretty long ..
And I remembered paying between $80+ and $120+ at Dr Zou.. I wonder what I have been paying for now ... Wished my memory wasn't this bad!! I only remembered it being expensive .. I was thinking of going Yu Yan Sang but my hsb don want me to. Think the med is about $8 a day ... No one is seeking help from Yu Yan Sang?
xxhazel_nutxx
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Hi makino, I went to yu yan sang once at paragon. This Dr is also known for treating fertility. But it's so ex I stopped after the first treatment. Total bill for 1 mth worth of meds with my hub come up to 800 plus dollars. *gasp* and she not very pro ivf. Keep telling us we are still young shld wait and try tcm for it to work. ...
hopemiracle30
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Hi Makino, did you take the med from Dr Zou? I stopped as I developed gastric prob, only acupuncture she charges $30 per session..
Went to Paragon EYS before but was with the less known Physician, expensive consult and med...each round we collected med for both hub and myself will cost us 400-500 bucks. We went a few months and I developed intermenstrual bleeding (which is very unusual for me), went back to my gynae to fix the prob and I stopped treatment there. Only went to Dr Zou recently for acu prior to IVF but the queue is quite bad if u go after office hours or weekends.
But I have a friend who went to Paragon for a few months and successfully conceived after that. So , TCM response is still quite individual...
Went to Paragon EYS before but was with the less known Physician, expensive consult and med...each round we collected med for both hub and myself will cost us 400-500 bucks. We went a few months and I developed intermenstrual bleeding (which is very unusual for me), went back to my gynae to fix the prob and I stopped treatment there. Only went to Dr Zou recently for acu prior to IVF but the queue is quite bad if u go after office hours or weekends.
But I have a friend who went to Paragon for a few months and successfully conceived after that. So , TCM response is still quite individual...
santhiya86
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Hi Everyone...
I have had a M/C in 2009 and a Ectopic Pregnancy in 2011.Have been TTC since then but no avail.Finally have decided to go for my SO-IUI treatment.Started with Clomid on 10/07/13, Puregon Injection on 13/07/13.Did my First scan on 15/07/13.My Follicles were 11,6,5 mm on Right Side and 12,6,5 mm on left side.Continued Puregon for two more days.Scanned again on 18/07/13.Follicles were 16.5,6,5 mm on Right Side and 17,8,6 on left side.Uterine lining was 5.5mm.Doctor advised to us Estraderm patch to boost the uterine line as it had to be atleast 8mm thick to start IUI. Went back for scan again on 19/7/13.Follicles were 17.5,6,5mm on Right side and 18.5,10,6 on left side.Uterine Lining was only 6mm.Dr asked to start IUI on Monday,22/07/13.On 20/7/13(saturday), I went to O & G 24hrs clinic at KKH for my HCG Trigger injection.The next day,was in alot of pain(stomach cramps).Monday went to clinic @ 0830hrs to give husband's sperm for washing.Was told to go back at 1030hrs for procedure.After the procedure,was given Dydrogesterone tablets to be taken for the next 18 days.Was told to continue Estraderm Patch for the next 2 weeks.
During the 2WW, i was having sore breasts and noted some fluid coming out.looked more like colestrum....then i called KKH.They said that it was due to the dydrogesterone tablets. When i did the progesterone serum test, it was only 26.47 nmol/L..And my HCG level was <0.6....Not pregnant..
Went to see Dr. Sadhana from KKH on 13/08.She had advised me to go for IVF. i will be going for my IVF counselling on 3/9/13 and will start my treatment wen my next period comes.
Anyone can help by letting me know What the counselling session is about and wat i will be going thru before the embryo retrieval(like how often is the scans and wat are the medications that will be given...) ? so super nervous....
I have had a M/C in 2009 and a Ectopic Pregnancy in 2011.Have been TTC since then but no avail.Finally have decided to go for my SO-IUI treatment.Started with Clomid on 10/07/13, Puregon Injection on 13/07/13.Did my First scan on 15/07/13.My Follicles were 11,6,5 mm on Right Side and 12,6,5 mm on left side.Continued Puregon for two more days.Scanned again on 18/07/13.Follicles were 16.5,6,5 mm on Right Side and 17,8,6 on left side.Uterine lining was 5.5mm.Doctor advised to us Estraderm patch to boost the uterine line as it had to be atleast 8mm thick to start IUI. Went back for scan again on 19/7/13.Follicles were 17.5,6,5mm on Right side and 18.5,10,6 on left side.Uterine Lining was only 6mm.Dr asked to start IUI on Monday,22/07/13.On 20/7/13(saturday), I went to O & G 24hrs clinic at KKH for my HCG Trigger injection.The next day,was in alot of pain(stomach cramps).Monday went to clinic @ 0830hrs to give husband's sperm for washing.Was told to go back at 1030hrs for procedure.After the procedure,was given Dydrogesterone tablets to be taken for the next 18 days.Was told to continue Estraderm Patch for the next 2 weeks.
During the 2WW, i was having sore breasts and noted some fluid coming out.looked more like colestrum....then i called KKH.They said that it was due to the dydrogesterone tablets. When i did the progesterone serum test, it was only 26.47 nmol/L..And my HCG level was <0.6....Not pregnant..
Went to see Dr. Sadhana from KKH on 13/08.She had advised me to go for IVF. i will be going for my IVF counselling on 3/9/13 and will start my treatment wen my next period comes.
Anyone can help by letting me know What the counselling session is about and wat i will be going thru before the embryo retrieval(like how often is the scans and wat are the medications that will be given...) ? so super nervous....
sunstillshines
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xxhazelnut, hopemiracle, I am shocked by the cost charged from Eu Yang Sang!
I consulted TSB at Chinatown. Her med is by brewing herbs. A little troublesome but I find that it is more effective for me than Dr Zou's powered form. 1 packet of med is between $12 to $13. Brew into 2 bowls and drink for 2 days. Rest 2 days and drink 2 days.
I consulted TSB at Chinatown. Her med is by brewing herbs. A little troublesome but I find that it is more effective for me than Dr Zou's powered form. 1 packet of med is between $12 to $13. Brew into 2 bowls and drink for 2 days. Rest 2 days and drink 2 days.
sunstillshines
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Santhiya86, Dr will advise if you need long or short protocols. For long protocols, there is a suppression stage. Then follow by stimulation stage. Once the folicles and lining are at their optimum state, dr will advise trigger shot and you will have to prepare for folicles retrievals.
Usually you need to do a Day 2 or Day 3 scan before the ivf cycle starts.
Hope this give you a rough overview about ivf.
Usually you need to do a Day 2 or Day 3 scan before the ivf cycle starts.
Hope this give you a rough overview about ivf.
sunstillshines
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Makino, you can inform Dr Zou that you don't want the med during your consultation with her. Then she will just charge you for acupuncture.
Due to the long waiting time and inconvenient location for me to travel there, I stopped going to do acupuncture with her.