IVF/ICSI Support Group

Hi joy ,

I m with dr zuo now. Tink I jus use this time to exercise n build up my body health. I do feel tired lately haha not sure whether is my age catching up.

Hi Hazel,
You will have a beautiful baby soon. Bought all your tins n settle your confinement lady huh? I know u came a long way too hehee jia you too
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Hi Hope,


I fully understand the kind of pain that u r going thru.
I hate the time of the month as I always have bad pains. Trying to manage the pain too. Hope one day all these k go away together with the birth of my baby hehee
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Not easy n I believe in this thread there are other ladies like us have swollen uterus. So at the same time when menses dun come i feel happy . However it mean I cannot try naturally too.
 
Sunbelle : thank u for remembering me
- yes still around.. I'm ok so busy at work... sianz.. But will be going for fet this Oct. Not sure how to prepare for it, guess will drink more essence and immunocal since still got leftover.. Make longan red date drink.. Quite lazy to go for acpunture at Amk as it's really far..I started on yoga exercise as well. It will your turn soon; stay positive. I hope to bfp by dec - Have faith amd it will come true - for everyone! How are you heartbeats?
 
Sunbelle, age is one thing but it's good to exercise to get fresh oxygen to our body and tone up the muscles. You can try fertility yoga if you do yoga. At least you are familiar with the posture and can google it. Swimming is a relax exercise and can build up your stamina. I miss swimming. Hope to do it someday. Sometimes if you are very busy at work and no time to rest continuous for week, you will also feel tired. Most important is have enough rest. You can also take some herbal to boost up your qi flow. But if you're taking Dr Zou's medicine, you can ignore it or you can ask Dr Zou what herbal you can brew or add to soup to help. I take wolfberry frequently in soup, stir-fried with vegetables or steam with food.
 
Hi piglet02, I will check with Dr Tan on ER day. And I juz had a bowl of red bean soup an hr ago...blupps.. :)
Tomolo will eat Tau sau bao..txs for ur ideas....
 
Dear Chelchel and cocaopops,

I had my et on 29sep, bt on17oct.. But i have decided to do my bt this coming friday, i hope the nurses dont reject me as i realise that they did not give me enough support to last me till monday. My med only last me till sat. Are you both kk and Dr Loh? Mine is natural fet... Actually u can do hpt at home
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so that u can go for early support

Jia you!
 
Tahope, oh you have miscarriages, yes that explains! Ok ok then you acupuncture try to grow lining. Wed is ER day then ok to rest 1 day dont acupuncture since dr Zou also off. All the best! I cant be sure about durians but i thought its quite 'bu' so maybe can help. Nevermind if you dont like, then dont take. Most important is dont stress.

Cocoa thanks, no lah, i am strong in 'shell' only, deep inside very weak at times. Ya, lets JY together!
 
Tanny, i am fine, thanks for remembering me too.
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Menses tapering off today. After this i will start weekly acupuncture with dr Zou again and then try FET in Nov. Ya, lets hang on to our faith and JY together!
 
      
Cocaopop... If your et is on the 27th sep, ur dpo for today should be 13 days post transfer plus the age of your embbies.. Eg 13dpt2dt=15 dpo
 
Hi Zion,

Jus to share that I have bad menses cramps. Dr Loh detected adeyomosis when he took out cysts for me. Is a condition that is hard to resolve but I m determine to overcome it. Know of a lady whom have this condition n gave birth to a baby gal. Saw a news on 41 years old also gave birth. So bring some hope to our life.
 
Sunbelle, Zion, if dr Loh thinks nothing of the adenomyosis then it means your condition is not severe, no worries. Cos dr Loh wont be careless about this one. If severe, he would definitely do something one like maybe jab lucrin longer (say a few months ... ) to suppress or shrink the adeno first.
 
Just to share something with ladies

My TCM Dr share that both DH and wife must tiao together. Cos if our egg is fertilized and the sperm is weak. She mentioned something like the embryo has no life will no grow. Can cos M/C.

In western treatment only for lady. All hormones medication. Men no treatment. In TCM, men can do treatment to improve the kidney or liver function will improve the chances for pregnacy.
 
Hi heartbeats

Confirm AF and BFN. Super super heavy flow. Manage to get the nurse to arrange an appt with Dr Tan tmr morning Cos DH going overseas for 1 month.

Dr Tan only see IVF pt on tue. clinic D is on wed afternoon (I think) and fri whole day and sat is only like 2nd wk of the month.
 
Sunbelle, I have not bought anything! Will wait till 7-8 mths then buy at one go! After the previous bad experience can't help but be patang abit. CL I went thru agency. Paid the deposit last wk. Starting antenatal class with mdm Wong from TMC this wkend. Skipping kkh's one this round :p

Re: aspirins
I took from day of ER n I m still taking it now. Dr loh told me I can stop aspirins in early first tri but since I Feel more at ease taking it n there is no harm, he let me continue

Re: sperms
When we do Ivf/ICSI, men's infertility factors, if any are already eliminated. In the semen, there r million of sperms. Unless there isn't any sperms. So for Ivf/ICSI, success rate of pregnancy is highly dependent on the women. Unless genetically there is an issue on the men.
 
Tanny, what kind of yoga are you learning? Which level are you in now? I've no idea where in SG conduct fertility yoga but you can do a google search. Frankly speaking, don't need to specially look for fertility yoga center because some of the poses are done in Hatha Yoga. Since you are doing yoga now, you can check with your teacher on which pose will help fertility and suits you. For me, I was advised by my yoga teacher to do leg raise to 90 degree and slowly put down together with proper breathing, do 10x as a set and 2 sets when you have the stamina. This help to tone down the tummy too. Another pose is bridge pose. From internet, there are more than these two poses such as Lotus Pose, Child's Pose, Cobbler's Pose and Legs on the Wall (Shoulder Stand).

You can reference to this weblink on some of the poses:
http://sg.******************/articles/yoga_poses_for_inferile_couples/

NOTE:
1. If you are going for fresh cycle, you have to stop all these at Stage 2 that you start with gonal-f or puregon injections because you will hurt your ovaries during stimulation of follicles or interfere to the medication. I think something to due with hormone issue.
2. Avoid poses at abdominal region during menses to prevent interruption to the flow.

Additional:
Do a set of 10x of alternate breathing (Deep and Slow) when wake up in the morning and before sleep.
Benefits:
1. To bring in fresh oxygen to all your organs.
2. Help to balance your breathing.
3. Relaxation.

My Experience:
I start to do some of the yoga poses including some of the fertility yoga poses after my AF from my failed fresh cycle. It's tough initially because had not did for 5 weeks. So, be patient and you will build your stamina and more power to do the pose better.
 
Hi mc_007,
Each visit cost me abt $60+ for consultation. If there is scan/BT, it will cost 100+...(nt including the consultation). When I start my 1st Fresh, it took me abt 2 mths to start the IVF.

Hi Sunbelle,
I have make appt with doc for my 2nd FET in Nov. But provided I ovulate la... if not Nov I also cannot do. I am now waiting for my Oct AF to come then I will call KKIVF Centre. In the time being, I just go see Dr Zou for accupt and her med. But I decide to stop her med once I start my 2nd FET. I wa to try a diff protocol cos the 1st round I take her med but I didnt BFP. So I might as well dont eat and see how. I am also eating folic acid and conceive well gold. I dont kw wa else I can do. In fact, when I think of the 2nd FET, I dnt hv confident and I am afraid of the disappointment which I had the 1st round. I still have the "scared" feeling when I saw my AF come and cried for 3 days and feel so helpless. I also decide not to stay at home if I start my 2nd FET, cos the 2WW was so scarily. Imagine ur AF come and went for BT and KK nurse called say it BFN... I cried to myself and hv to pretend to be strong in front of all ppl including DH. It feel like the heart is bleeding. Till now I look at my embbies photos I will cried. But I see all the gals here so strong and I want to give my other 14 snowbabies a chance too.

For my case, I have endo and dr say my tube blocked. She told me sperms are so tiny and it like liquid... there is a chance which I can get preggie and she ask me to jiayou to try hard. But I kw I am not that lucky. And I dont think miracle will knock my door. I nv hv miracle happens to me... All I can do is try and try.

Last sun I went to my friend baby full mth. It was my 1st time carrying the baby (cos i scared, they are so fragile), It feel so soft on my arms and I wish I can smell her and hug her tight... the feeling of a baby in my arm is so special...but yet I feel abit jealous.
 
Hazel
Yours is short or long protocol? Do u Noe aspirin is bad for fetus for long term consumption ? U Shld goggle more to find out
 
Sugary, long protocol. The dosage is minimum. Dr loh told me no harm to fetus at all. U saying dr Loh is wrong?

We hv antibodies in our body. Some will cause /hinder pregnancy failure. Currently, only aspirins can help to address that. When I saw dr tan hh last yr during dr loh's absence he also told me only aspirins can help. Mtbs with high BP is also given aspirins n those with poor blood flow to fetus.

Pte gynae is even more aggressive for Ivf patients who keep failing. The patients are asked to Start taking as early as 3 mths before start of Ivf.
 
Hazel
Every med sure got harm if consume long term, of cos depending how much u consume. Just like contraction pills (prevent early labour), dr loh told me is ok too, but again the same thing, eat at a longer period is no gd.. Of cos I didnt ask u not to believe dr , But if u don't really need it anymore, can stop. Prevention is better than cure. Anything can happen cos not all fetus accept med at the same way. Anyway up to u to believe la, doesnt meant doc are 100% accurate
 
Sugary, yes prevention is better than cure. How am I going to prevent the antibodies on my body from rejecting the fetus then? Maybe u can enlighten me on that. If u goggle, only high dosage of aspirins are harmful. A regular dosage is abt 80mg. Dr loh only gives me 10mg. Yes, every medicine has side effects or negative benefits. But as long as the positive effects over weigh the negative benefits is ok.

I saw dr Paul tseng from care last yr too when the unfortunate happened at 5mths. He also told me only bb aspirins can help. Well, u can say I dun hv a choice. All I can do now is to do sOmething m prevent history from happening again. Anyway, thanks for your concerns
 
Even a simple cup of coffee is harmful. But as long as is one scoop of coffee powder a day is fine. Anything more than that there is a risk. Like wat sunbelle said, I hv been a long way.. N lots of heart breaks from mid term m/c n other stuff. These pains are worse than bfn coz I got to deliver n see my bb in front of me but already passed on. So, u already said prevention is better than cure n take only when I Need it. I hv not carried my bb alive in my arm yet, so I m preventing the antibodies from rejecting the little one in the womb.. Of course we nv know if it can fully address.. But is better than not doing anything n sit there n pray right?
 
Fatefully, I can understand how you feel.. My problem is I can't produce so many follicies.. having 400 Puregon only can have 3.. ended up convert to IUI...and failed... more sad.. :-(

Now with Dr Zou for TCM treatment.. hopefully I can produce more follices the next time..

Let's encourage each other and don't giv up..+u +u
 
Good morning ladies.

Feeling emo today when I read all your posts. All of us here are working so hard to attain the same GOAL, that is to have our own Baby. Dont give up sisters, we will achieve our goal soon.


btw, Dr Loh told me I hv thick lining. May I know can I still drink the Red Date Wolfberry drink?
 
Hi BabyJourney

I have thick lining too.. I told Dr Zou and she still encourage me to drink red date and wolfberry. I think it is use to warm the womb..
 
Sugary, I went for alot of tests. All negative. Both care & KKH drs told me not all antibodies can be detected via BTs!
 
Hi Mc, Thanks for the info. Are you with Dr Loh (KKH) too?
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Hazel, can understand your feeling when we are unable to find the cause of our miscarriage. I also lost my baby when I was 5 mths preggy and the docs are unable to tell us wat actually went wrong. Wat we can do for our next pregnancy will be to do our best to protect our baby and hv a smooth delivery.
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MC, i see. I was with SGH n NUH for my previous IUIs+SO-IUI. My first appt with Dr Loh was on 30 Sept. Gog down to do the SIS test this thursday and next week go sign the consent form. Hopefully, can start IVF in Nov as planned.
 
Ching, SIS = Sonohysterography, but Dr Loh and nurse told me it means SIS in short. Dr Loh told me he will do IVF for me in Nov. So I am praying hard that all will go well.
 
Hi Hazel, thanks. Ur ICSI outcome is great! May i enquire where u did your ICSI?

Hi fuyutsuki01, ICSI success rates vary according to the patient (quality of eggs), and the technician and/or laboratory (skill of embryologist, protocol, and infrastructure). According to scientific literature, 60-70% is the average / best rate. (But Hazel managed 80%).

For me, my outcome is not great. Activation failure is when either egg or sperm did not "realize" fertilization has taken place, and did not prepare its DNA for replication (i.e. formation of pronucleus). I was just informed that my prolactin was high. So that may have affected my outcome(?)
 
Ching, Dr Loh has not discussed which protocol he will be doing for me. I am actually quite new+lost here as this is my first IVF. :p
 
Andante - I had 10 matured and fertilized 5 by day 3. Rest cannot make the mark. Did mine at kk. I know someone took out 6 and fertilized 6 but dunno if it's icsi.
 
Hi Andante - 3 out of 7 is reasonable (ie. not bad). Apart from the factors you mentioned above, fertilisation also depends on quality of sperm.

As you had 7 mature eggs, if you had 4 fertilised (instead of 3), you would have been approx 60% which is the average arte.
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Some couples do have very high fertilisation rates, & but every couple's circumstance is different. Try not to worry too much about your fertilisation rate as it looks about average.
 
ICSI
if im not wrong, kkh performs ICSI for all patients to maximise the chance of fertilisation rate. they dont wan to loose too many eggs in case the sperms dont penetrate in after 1day..

babyjourney,
in TPS , u pay more for consultation and scans. but clinic, u pay lesser..however sat's clinic, u gota pay even more... at TPS, waiting time is lesser, and luxury of cozy sofa with beverages.. Gynaes are more friendly too, cos u pay premium price..subsequent visit for DR loh at TPS only $68, cheaper than clinic D on Saturaday..
 
Sugary, how much is the 1st time consultation charge for dr.loh at TPS? Normally which day and what time he will be seeing patient at TPS?
 

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