(2005/08) Aug/Sept 05' MTBs

Hi everyone!

Had some problems with BF and need your advise.

I am just wondering if anyone has successfully supplement their BM with FM without decrease in their BM supply. How did you do it? Is there any method to follow?

For those mommies who had tbf their bb, how do you know if your bb is full? Is it that they fell asleep straight after nursing?

I am not too sure if my baby is full after nursing cos' she usually dozed off during nursing and will open her eyes when I put her on bed. She will soothe herself to sleep and will only sleep for a while before crying for more milk.

I am thinking of supplementing my BM with FM. But, I don't know how to do it without decrease in ss. and how much to supplement.
 


Yes temple, give me a buzz when u wan to collect.

congrats Ilmare! We all been thru this gal. Don't worry.. u can make it. Have to pump frequently in order to establish the milk.. Try using nipple cream it does help for sore & cracked nipple.

Tingting, tink is the direct, quick flow he gets from the bottle.. tts y he is getting impatient when is on yr breast.

re: falling asleep before finish drinking
my girl is oso like tt at times. and is oso very hard to identify how long is the interval.. usually we juz agar the time her last feed to warm her milk in advance..

Vone: yr boi looks like daddy hor..

I'm a mummy.. hey it takes me 5 rounds to get the hang of using the sling leh.. 1x my girl was quite fussy.. but after i put her in sling, rock her a while then she lets me tighten it.. same as u i oso got back prob.. but so far i do not experience having any backache after carrying her for hours..

Re: discharge
my discharge ended oni in week 5, and then i do have on/off blood discharge.. If u r on BFG yr menses wil not be regular

Pinkroses,
r u on direct latch? i hve been expressing ebm on a schedule of 3hrly in order to keep up the ss.. even if i give my girl FM for tt feeding i will still express and store.
 
Hi all,

Finally managed to logon after disappearing for so long. Mine is a super sad case (although I had a wonderful birth...).
First, I will share my birth story:-
Sun - 4 Sept : Felt some contractions (2x) while shopping at Jurong point. Dismissed it cos it when off after about 2 mins and after the 2 contractions, i did not experience any contractions during the night.
Mon-5 sept 9am : Woken up by the need to urinate and found some spotting. Didn't bother cos it's minimal and doesn't hurt.
5.30pm - Gynae appt and he checked my cervix. Told me to admit immediately cos 6cm dilated. Still no pain, so I wonder if gynae is wrong...hehe
6.30pm - Gynae came and ruptured my waterbag. Contractions started to kick in at about 2 mins interval. Still bearable.
around 7.00pm - 10 cm dilated, midwife started asking me to push. HB saw bb head, but I didn't manage to get the bb out until gynae came at 7.30pm.
8.05pm - Delivered my son.

My sad confinement story:-
I did 2 weeks confinement at my mum's place. 2 weeks wo washing hair and no fan... quarrelled with my mum and broke down a few times cos I couldn't stand the heat. (mum's house got no aircon...haiz).

After 2 weeks of torture, I moved back cos my nieces came down with HFMD and it provided me with a good reason to move back...hehe...
I engaged a CL to help me for the 2 wks... however, she only managed to get custom clearance for 6 days... so now stressed up again.
This is made worse by the fact that I am experiencing low milk supply. Now also supplementing. I have consulted a lacation consultant as a last resort. She came today and help me regain some confidence. Hopefully by next week, I will be able to make some progress.
 
Hi Lib,

yes, I am on direct latch. but, i am pretty confused over the supplement part. Like how much to give and must i give supplement for every feed.
 
ilmare
your CL sounds like a nightmare... why dun u fire her. then at least u can take care of your baby your own way.

Lib
U don't know Ting2's direct bf is more powderful than any bottle teat ... her flow too fast & baby can't keep up!

pinkroses (& kathy, for the sleeping bit)
when baby falls asleep at your breast, compress it (ie squeeze more milk out) - reminds your baby that she's still eating. When she's no longer swallowing, unlatch & burp her. Your baby may awaken when u set her down coz needs to be burped. Wait until she's in deep sleep before setting her down... in light sleep she's more likely to wake up easily. How do i know when my baby is in deep sleep? His breathing is noisy during light sleep, changes to silent breathing during deep sleep. Set baby down slowly & gently, don't cause sudden movements to their head, arms & legs.

ixwong
my baby had Enfalac when in TMC. I wanted to buy that, but NTUC doesn't sell... i only saw it in the TMC pharmacy!! I think it's the most expensive infant milk powder ley.
 
hi ixwong, good that ur bb takes to the sarong.. mine will wake up the moment we stop shaking the sarong...

ilmare, supplementing BM with FM is better than no BM at all... frequent pumping will increase ur supply over time... keep it up!
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hehe lib, yah, prob tomorrow got to ask u gals to help check whether i hold baby correctly... tonight's gonna storm... have a good sleep tonight! hope bb will guai guai n sleep early tonight...
 
Hi Ixwong,
I brought my baby to see the doctor. Like your son, she's having constipation. This morning after i posted the message to you, she started pooing, but with great difficulty, was straining and crying. i see until my heart pain and almost burst into tears. a lot of poo came out, but apparently there was more since she hasn't pooed in 2-3 days. Then in the evening, another time again. She was straining and crying, then when the third time she tried to shit again, i brought her to the doctor. Cannot see her suffer like that. Doctor says its because of the switch to FM, constipation, hence got gas which is trying to force the shit out, and recommended we switch from Similac to Nan-HA, which is says is more easily digestible due to the less complex form of fatty acids. I was reading through the forum postings, and i realise that quite a lot of mummies have also recently switched to Nan-HA. Is this a new brand?

Re: Enfalac.
Are you referring to Enfalac or Enfalac A+? We tried Enfalac A+ for my baby girl when i was at TMC (partial breastfeed) so top up with enfalac. We stayed at TMC for 4 nights, so she had 4 nights worth of Enfalac A+. My girl had a lot of gas! kept farting...Enfalac (without the A+) can be found at NTUC.
 
Hi Vone,

Your little boy grows so fast! He sure looks like one happy baby. How are you coping with your little one btw?
 
wendysg

i am seriously considering to fire her and has asked my fren to help me, fren got contacts with a local confinement agency. i also had a long talk with HB, he was bit surprised that CL told me that if i insisted on diapers, she cannot do it(i am still wondering what she meant by cannot do it, she threaten to walk out on me??)

dear all, my fren told me that if i fire her now, i have to pay her the full month wage(market practice). CL has been with me for less than a wk, came on last fri. i was thinking of giving her $400/wk($1600 for 4 wks), and will not ask back the $200 deposit. is it true about the full payment thingy? plus if i dun pay CL full, she will curse me and BB. is all this true??

i am not going to pump now, will BF him directly. am actually quite worried that BB will consitpate if feed on too much FM, being monitoring his poo poo, so far still quite watery and turning greenish. thank God!!

i really miss my boy last night, keep thinking of having him sleep with me...
 
samantha,
Wow. I'm so envious about your labour story. It seems like you did not suffer the pain for long. Hope mine will be like yours.
Regarding the confinement, I know it will be very stressful. Please bear with it for your baby's sake. Hopefully everything turns out fine for you for the next few weeks.

May I ask what to look out for when going for CTG when visiting gynae? I'll be doing it tomorrow at my 39 weeks visit. What questions should i ask regarding CTG? Like waste of money leh.. Dunno should ask gynae not to do or not.
 
Hi triniti,
just kaypo kaypo a bit..Did WK Tan do a CTG for you during your prenatal checkups at anytime? she didn't do for me leh...is it supposed to be included in our package?
 
I'm a mummy,
At least your gal still can poo. my boi then totally clogged. Actually quite angry with the PD cos she told us it was not serious when we first visited on Friday night. End up , my boi had to suffered for another 2 days until we brought him to her co-PD on Sunday morning to clear the system.

Re FM
Now confused. Didn't know Enfalac got 2 types - no A+ and A+. Also dunno whether shd switch to Nan-HA instead?? This FM thingy seems like such a trial-and-error...but I now got phobia abt putting my boi thru another constipation incident.

tingting,
my boi also only sleeps short naps in the sarong, but at least he's not fussing like he was before the sarong. We were so exhausted then...
 
dear ilmare: i think u should fire her after u have found another replacement. why should u pay her one full month when she has only worked for less than a week? ridiculous.. just ask her to leave if u are unhappy with her. and one thing which i do not understand is.. why are u scared of her cursing ur baby? are u bothered by it or? i mean... nothing wil happen to ur baby what..if she is so good at cursing.. then she might as well work in those temple kind of ppl? forgot the term for it. i jus feel that baby's health should be ur priority... not superstitions.
 
re: Constipation

My baby girl also suffers from infrequency in bowel. She didn't poo poo for almost 5 days. It happened twice.

My MIL suggested letting her drink a teaspoon of gripe water every day after bath to help her to poo poo. don't know if it works though i am not too keen to let her drink gripe water everyday cos' i think it looks like medicine.

Usually, when she didn't poo poo for so long, i will use glycerine suppository to help her to poo poo. The stools come out soft and creamy. You can get this from Unity pharmacy. Don't need to see PD.

I think PD will usually tell you that it's normal that young bb didn't poo for few days if they are on bm. If up to 1 week, then it's more serious.
 
adel

i managed to find a replacement but will only come tomolo, will be informing her to leave later, waiting for my backup(parents) to come over. i am not concern about the cursing but find it very amusing and wonder is these ppl actually do that. you are so right about setting up shop outside temples!
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this replacement is from a confinement agency, recommended by my fren, i actually tot of calling her tis morning, she always got tons of lobangs. just pray that everything will be smooth later.

pinkroses(your nick very sweet)
i didn't know that gripe water can help clear constipation, tot it is only for wind. i tot baby on BM will have very frequent bowel movements. my boy will poo poo about 3 times a day, 2-3am, lat morning and late afternoon. so far his poo poo is soft like paste. i am giving him BM and FM.

lots of ppl tell me that newborns poo poo tends to be soft and frequent. my cousin-in-law twins are on BM and poo poo few times a day.

just changed my boy, he poo poo greenish yellow paste (part 1) and soft yellow poo(bit more solid) (part 2). very obvious that it was like 2 rounds. at least i should be thankful that he will not follow me, i always constipate.
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re:FM
i understand that it is really a trial and error thing, and fren advised to get lots of free samples from PD, apparently some PD dishes out infant FM like nobody business. can try different brands and save money!
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ilmare: good luck in ur new cl!! i am sure she will be more hardworking than ur existing witch.
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keke.. jus kidding. anyway.. in the meantime.. u should relaz urself so that u can have more ms. try drinking warm milk or whatever liquids u can lay ur hands on.. to increase bm. no experience.. but heard that more fluid u take in.. more bm.
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good luck
 
Re: FM
I also thought of getting FM samples from the hospital or PD for my baby, but according to my PD, not much use. Cause baby needs to be on a particular brand for about a week before you can see any difference or if got any effects like gas, indigestion etc. Where to get samples to last one week of feeding? sigh..so what we do is to buy a small tin first and see how lor...

Hi Ixwong,
upon doctor's advice, we switched her to Nestle Nan-HA last night...let's see how it goes. Keeping my fingers crossed. The doctor also prescribed Infacol and stool softener for her. Infacol can be found at any pharmacy..for wind and griping pains.
 
Hi ilmare, your CL is really terrible!! Pls do sack her! and U dun hv to give her a full mth's pay cos it's not ur fault. I'd rather look after bb myself than having a monster-CL by my side and causing me distress and post-natal blues. Good luck on your new CL, hope she will be much much btr and supportive!

Re: Gripe water
Yes.. this one can help bb to poo poo n also to rid of excess wind in body. It basically works almost the same as Infacol.
 
Hi everyone,

Re: Constipation
Just wanna share my experience with u gals.. just a week ago, my gal didn't poo for 4 days. I called the PD and she said it's normal for a baby on bm to not poo for up to 2 weeks! PD said got 2 extremes - baby who poo every feed and baby who don't poo so often. The PD prefer not to give medication to newborn babies so ask me to wait for few more days.

Anyway, my gal finally poo on the 7th day. When she finally poo, she poo 3 times in a row over 24 hours. I think it was becos we fed her gripe water over the next few days plus, we pour cold water over her buttocks/anus after every feed to stimulate her to pass motion.

Re: FM samples
Yeah, can get samples from the PD. My PD gave me free tin of NAN and Frisco. I also got free 7 bottles of NAN HA from Mt Alvernia (i pleaded with the nurse to give me). Hee hee. By the way, my CL told me that babies on FM must poo at least once a day. Therefore, must feed them water after each feed.
 
Hi eileen,

Don't worry, you will be able to have a smooth delivery. Just relax and exercise. I guess both helps
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Regarding CTG, it's done to monitor contractions. Is it done at gynae's request? If not, personally, I don't think you need to do it (unless you are already having very frequent contractions).
 
adel

thanks for the encouragement! i also keeping my fingers cross. just feel guilty that poor HB has to go thru so much. it was quite ugly when we asked old CL to leave, until i almost feel like slapping her. oh well, all is over and hope that tomolo will be a better start.
 
ilmare: good luck ok? keep us informed on ur baby too! will still need u gal's help when my turn's here too!!! *jia you*
 
Hi Samantha,
Yup. Gynae requested for me to do it. Sigh... Guess just listen to her lor.

Hmm.. Will try walking for about 1 hour everyday. Now on ML staying at home doing nothing very sian... Hee...
 
hi mummies, pls advise

Re: Breastfeeding
Boy is 2 weeks old now, but e last 2-3 days, he's latching on for as short as 5mins n do not wan 2 feed anymore (interval 3-4hrs), but he appears full. He still poo n pee regularly. I also felt the supply has increase cos i felt engorgement, could that be the reason? any1 with e same experience pls share, thanks so much in advance.
 
Re:Expressing
I'm trying to express once a day now. Do I have to pump for at least 15mins per side or I should pump till no milk? so far, i pump about 20mins in total n see that there's still milk, but too lazy to continue.
 
Hi I am a mummy
Nope she did not do a CTG scan cos I wasn't engaged. I mean CTG scan I think is mainly to see if there are any major contractions and indication of labour.
 
hi cookies,

re: breastfeeding
perhaps he has become a more efficient at suckling, so finishes the feed faster.

re: expressing
for me, i'm not aiming to increase supply, so if i pump i just do until breasts are comfortably soft. some people pump to empty their breasts after each feed, but i dun do that cos my boy feeds more frequently during day time. i only pump once during night feed cos his feeding intervals are longer and i feel uncomfortable.
 
i'm formula feeding my girl. how often should she poo? and wat type of poo should i expect??
then.. how to let her drink plain water? coz she wont drink after milk. if drink b4 milk, wont she be too full??
feeling really stressed now. so scared she'll fall ill coz i'm very clumsy... now she looks ill to me... she no longer looks cute to me... dunno is it bcoz i'm too paranoid or wat... or am i suffering from post natal blues.
 
my girl is 11 days old. is it alright to give her 90 ml FM every 3-4 hours? really dun understand baby's feedins habits... sigh
 
angieooi

you should try to give some water to your gal, FM is bit heaty. the poo should be greenish, my cousin was on FM and that's the colour of her poo.

think you can give her bit, few mouthful before FM, that should be fine.

i am also feeling stressed, my boy will drink FM after BM, he will suckle for about 30 mins and still demands for FM. learning process for all of us first time mums.
 
angieooi

i am also giving my boy about the same amount. PD says BB will reject bottle/breast when they are full. don't worry
 
Hi mummies

re: CL
Can I know do yr CL tag along wiz you when u go back for gynae/PD visit after delivery? If no, then juz leave her at home alone?
 
huh?? me not sure leh ... thru recommendation one ... she's a Malaysian will go chop chop every 2wks.
Must we register our CL with MOM for entry permit?
 
mayday: some agents encourage u to apply an entry permit.. some says no need.. if she tells u tt she needs to chop every 2 weeks, then better dun bring her along.
 
I don't intend to bring her along but at the same time dun feel comfortable leaving her at home alone.
That's why seeking advice fr the experienced mummies here.
 
mayday, better to bring your cl along cuz she can help you out with the baby and diaper bag, esp when u dun feel comfy having her alone at home. Mine went with me to the pd and gynae visits and it was helpful esp when i was still recovering from perineal wounds.
 
Hi I need milk,
When your bb finally poo poo on 7th day, is her bowel movement more frequent after that? my gal didn't poo poo for 5 days 2 times already.

Very stressed by the whole thing cos' my MIL and Mom will keep suggesting all sorts of methods to help her poo poo everyday. They even blamed me for not eating enough fruit to help her to poo poo or giving her FM ( I am BM supplementing with FM)

keep explaining to them that PD says it's ok not to poo poo for more than 3 days and they don't believe. Keep nagging that bb feels very uncomfortable.

Furthermore, my bb's sleeping pattern very funny. One day can sleep like a log for the whole day and next day, she won't take any afternoon nap and is very fussy for the whole day. really stressed out by motherhood

Anyone had the same experience? Any solutions?
 
mayday: she is under social visit pass of 2 weeks, which also means she is not suppose to work. If so unlucky tt day, she is being checked by police with u ard, you will land yourself for unnesscary problems. *touch wood* no one knows wats gng to happen.
 
hi all

today Straits Times main section got special offer on baby products...
NTUC: Petpet, Pampers Premium & Nepia diapers, Kodomo stuff etc...
Shop & Save: Huggies, Tollyjoy etc.

wa, i look forward to every Thur & Fri to chk out the newspaper offers man... I think i become Auntie liaozzzz *hiak*

ting2, temple, Lib
will upload ystrday's fotos when Uncle Deric can get it on the computer..
 
hi wendy, thanks for hosting lunch yest! i'm all the more keen to aircon my living room liao... haha..

i'm also eyeing the diaper offers at ntuc..hehe... so ah soh right? but won't go to shop n save cos no car... petpet not that much cheaper than what prime sells.. think cheaper by 30 cents or so per pack only... pamper premium though cheap, but still more ex than petpet...
 
lib, hehe... i tink so aso. hopefully he wldn't resemble his daddy's bad temper. hehe...

sam, dun b so stressed okie. no gd 4 u & bb. jus take things 1 step at a time.
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call me if u need 2 vent ur frustrations okie.

ilmare, sorry 2 hear abt ur lousy cl. hopefully ur new 1 will b better.

angieooi, i tink d amt is okie. my boy was drinking abt tat amt when he's at tat age. if ur gal is not hungry after d feeding, then it shld b sufficient.

wendyg, no worries, me aso like u. i'll keep a lookout 4 thu & fri's papers 2 c wat offers ntuc & giant hv. tink d pigeon laundry detergent is a gd buy. luckily i didn't buy it yday when i went 2 ntuc.

mummies, my boy aso got constipation. i tink it's partly due 2 d scare tat my 1st maid gave him. now it's slightly better. we gave him gripe water once a day & feed him wif more bm. but i can understd how u gals feel when u c ur bb strain. so heartpain. my boy's face will turn all red & he'll cry so hard.
 
Hi pinkroses
Yeah, after the 7 days, my bb poo poo once everyday. Maybe u can try to bottle feed (EBM or FM) her once a day to let her drink full... cos if direct bf, can't tell if bb is drinking full.

I know what u mean by stressed.... i was so stressed for the entire 7 days... so when she finally poo, i clapped for joy literally.

Oh, by e way, are u taking any heaty confinement food now? That can also be reason y yr bb never poo regularly.
 
Hi wendyg,
It's me, bear. My hb LL now sleeps in separate room cos he can't sleep when bb cries at night. Once his sleep disrupted, he can't get back to sleep and affects his work.

I find this so depressing cos its like he is abandoning me and the bb. Now i am really taking care of her 24 hours. Last night, i was struggling with bb while bf for > 2 hours... she cried cos i tink my milk flow is not good enuf for her, i cried cos i felt so helpless and tired and alone... sigh. Worse, she tends to sleep in my arms and i put her to bed only for her to wake up 5 mins later screaming for milk again. THis process can go on for hours.. At times like this, i feel like stuffing the bottle FM into her mouth and give up direct bf entirely!!
 


anissa, clarence is veri cute. i like his eyeballs, so black. hehe... me oledi stepped out of my hse at least 5 times liao. can't tahan staying at hm 4 so long.
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but hb restricts my trips. so far, he oni allowed me 2 go grocery shopping, max per trip is abt 2 hrs.
 
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