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Watching porn is wrong in the first place, there is nothing right about it, so stop deceiving yourself if you think it is alright to watch porn. Will you still think it's alright to watch porn if it's your daughter / son who is in it???

Underneath the act of watching porn is a more serious problem - deception. Most who watch porn in secrecy would lie about it and this is "cheating". Do you call this trust in a marriage? Absolutely not!

So, can you still say watching porn is alright?

For husband and wife who watch porn together to get into the mood, if you require something external to stimulate your intimacy and hell knows what thoughts you each have while doing the act, something is really wrong. Intimacy in a marriage should be shared between husband and wife and not with "something / someone else, even if it is a fantasy". Fantasy is a dangerous thing as it can become a reality.

Can anyone still say porn is alright?
 


Hi wasabi126,
hehe.. I still say it's alright, for us anyway.. xD Doing this of course requires discretion.. ^.^ No matter how much u oppose it, it's still happening.. I think I can safely assume that all grown men (who have their own comps) have watched before or are kind of interested in it.. Well, unfortunately, that includes our husbands..

Different people have different opinions &amp; different deep dark secrets, I guess.. hehe.. Not everyone is as pure and innocent (well, seriously, do u expect men to be all pure &amp; innocent? If your hubby is one, you're very lucky about your super rare find, if he indeed is not hiding it from u anyway).. lol.. I'm already glad my hubby is a nice guy, although not 100% pure and innocent.. It's kinda a good thing cos I'm no saint too.. lol =P

For u, it's a no-no.. For me, it works.. It's always nice to spice it up once in a while.. xD No offense intended.. =X

Edit : Actually this is a never-ending debate.. lol.. I'll rest my case here on and just enjoy reading! xD
 
wasabi126> well said, pornography is a degeneration of human kind.

Few have high regards for moral values today - that doesn't mean that the current social norm is right. Do uphold your principle and don't be disheartened.
 
I agree with wasabi126 and mtyh. Moral values are almost disregarded nowadays. It took me so long to realize that watching porn is a wrong thing to do. When my husband cheated on me and visited prostitutes recently, then did I realize his frequent watching of porn is wrong. Fantasy led to action, that's what happened to him.

No matter how unhappy a person is, it is never an excuse to hv an affair or to visit prostitutes cos it does not solve the root of the problem. If i turn the tables around, how would he feel? He told me he would divorce me.

A betrayal is a betrayal, and it's not womens' fault, we don't deserve to be treated this way. If our husbands can only love us more when we look good and slim, then their love is superficial, conditional and will not stand the tests of temptations. This is what I hv learnt after being betrayed.
 
yes, if men have a chance to turn fantasy into reality they will do it.

those who say watching porn is ok, doesn't know the what is really happening in real life.

ping, how did u find out?
 
What is worse is when husbands who watch porn turn around and point finger at their wives for not satisfying their sex cravings which they themselves have built from watching porn, imposing their fantasies on their wives. And when they are exposed, they blame it on their wives. A life built on fantasy leads to degeneration of man and destroy the trust in a marriage.

Porn is a subtle form of Deception. If you are not careful, you will fall into it too deeply that you no longer know what's right or wrong and it translates into your everyday life as well, soon you will realise that you are lying about almost everything in your life when there is no need to. One lie after another to cover the perious lies, just never-ending. Can you see where this "pornography is alright belief" is leading to? This is what I personally experience with someone who is so deeply addicted with porn. It totally blinds a person and prevents couple from attaining true happiness in a marriage.
 
wasabi126,
Yr posting describes my feeling totally. I feel like tearing up when I read yr post, which is so true. My husband was into porn long ago when we were in courtship and I never realise it was wrong. He was my first boyfriend, and got me to watch porn with him. After sometime I felt uncomfortable, and stopped watching with him as it was getting too much. Yes, he tried to impose his fantasies on me which I refused.

After marriage, he was still into porn. Things got worse when my elder gal was born. I was looking after my gal full time, so I always hope to chat with him at night when she is asleep. I went bed alone every night, until I woke up at 2am in the morning and found that he was watching porn, he was doing it every night and I felt hurt. This hurt last til now, even though he may cut down visiting porn sites, but his visiting prostitutes just deaden my heart and I hv to move on, cos there is no hope in improving the relationship anymore. This incident just makes me stronger although I still feel hurt, n I learnt that anything can happen and cannot trust men completely.

sillywife
After discovering an sms which says "Will you be coming to see me tonight?" arouse my suspicions. He forgot to take the phone with him to work, and he visited the prostitute that very day. He is a soft person, so he admitted when I force him to tell me the truth. He is weak in the mind and selfish, I am staying in the marriage merely for my 2 young kids. I am planning for my future now, when my kids are more independent, I'll go out to work. Right now, they still need my care. They are my strength, and I hv to be strong for myself too.
 
PingPing,

I fully understand what you are going through as I am in a similar situation too, which is why I am so against porn as it is destroying my marriage. It is not as simple as we as wives accepting that pornography is alright and everything will be alright and we will then have a happy marriage. The truth is porn has already changed our husband and no matter how good we do, they will never see our beauty.

I tried church counselling and attended marriage course but they are not helping. It just got worse, a bigger lie after another and my husband has become an expert in hiding the evidence. It's so scary to live with someone who is always lying to you. Who else can you trust then?

I have a 4.5 yo son. Whenever I confront him with his porn addiction, he would be very defensive, yell back at me and accuse me of accusing him or contributing to him watching porn. I would be so upset and I will start throwing things in the house as I wish to destroy everything and don't want any memory of this. He would hit me too for destroying the things. Then he would still spite me by taking pictures of the things I destroyed and threaten to fight for our son's custody. It's just too scary!
 
wasabi126,

I hv been through this stage of throwing things too, but I threw his things and want to destroy everything he has as he has destroyed my life long ago by neglecting me. He doesn't take our communication problems seriously and never really listen to how I feel. He cares for his things more than me.

Now I realized what I did in the past was wrong, it just puts me at a disadvantage. I'll not make the same mistake again, though I am still tempted to throw his things when I feel angry. It's going to take a long time to recover from this hurt, but I am glad that it has happened cos it has showed me that his love for me was conditional all along, and I should stop giving him chances(stop my misery once and for all). Now I am moving on, and trying to think what I should do for the next few years. I hv to put the past behind me and learnt from this lesson.

Since he is willing to continue to provide for me and the kids, I accept it as the kids are young and they are close to him, but I cannot accept his misdeeds. No way at all. However, I'll let them know the truth when they are older.
 
PingPing,

You are right, it will only put us at a disadvantage when we become upset. I am training myself to be indifferent to all these hurts he has inflicted on me. I tell myself to be stronger with each discovery and one day they will no longer have any impact on me. He can go ahead and destroy his own life and I will not allow him to destroy mine and my son's. I believe I will find my own true happiness one day.
 
wasabi126,

I am doing the same too. We hv to plan for ourselves first, being strong is quite a painful process but we can overcome it. We need time to heal. The only thing we can do is look forward, and not think abt the hurt but to learn from it and become stronger. I hv been hurt so badly that I wanted to die and was depressed for quite a while. All this has passed cos I find it's not worth getting depressed over a husband who does not care at all. What he did just confirmed that I hv made a bad choice, loving a person should not be painful, now I understand the meaning of real love.

If you go to Singaporebrides website, the matter of the heart thread has quite a number of pple who talked abt marriage and how love should be, it made a lot of sense to me and I learnt a lot from them. That's where I learnt that loving a person shouldn't be so painful. I went through a lot of pain in this relationship, and I am really ignorant of a lot of things that I find myself stupid and naive.
 
ping, i do went to singaporebride, but the view are mostly biased against women, many of them there think porn it's ok, and we as women should niot 'control' their men and let them learn new things.

Many of the regulars there are very ' MCP'
 
Sharon,

I didn't read those postings, only those that made sense. Yes, there are a few MCPs &amp; nonsensical users but there are a few men and women who gave very good objective views, and they are regulars too. I only read those objective views, not the biased ones which didn't made sense to me. Everyone's perception is different, but I do feel the pple there give a wider perspective on love and marriage. Except for topic on pornography, this thread is the best as I learn a lot, especially from wasabi126.
 
I will if the hb is watching porn together wif the wife, then it is ok as it is a form of qing qu....but if he do it behide the wife back and is obessed wif it then it is nt right le...
 
I personally feel porn is evil. If can we should never touch it. It will leads to many bad things and many time it teaches the wrong things
 
Diana, is there no other way of looking for 'qing qu' other than porn? Do u think it's there anything else that can come out good about it?
 
yes, of coz there are other form of qing qu lah...but generally boy and gal are different de....we rule by our brain but they by their another head lor....

basically, boys start watching porn at teen, so somehow, before they really know how a woman really look, they are already into porn le.....

although porn is nv a good education material and do send the wrong msg, but then it can help to set the mood in de. some r so funny tat u can juz laugh it off. and if the couple are daring, they can try some pose they saw on the porn too to enhance their sex life. wif or wif out porn, man and woman hv their own fantasy but as long as they know ware the limit are i guess it is alright de.

in fact, i do know guys who dun watch porn but they are more bian tai than those who watch lor...

to me, one can watch as long as one can differentiate reality and porn and draw a clear line or limit on it.
 
Like what u say, men use their 'small head' to think. I don't think they can differentiate reality and porn, so if possible should never allow him to watch porn
 
clear path,

there are men who can differentiat reality and porn. but what men cant resist is temptation which usually why they let their small head rule when tempation step in.

sad to say, it is also woman who hold a different value tat are out to tempt the man.
 
if it's for enjoyment, there are other kinds of shows, like love movies, why want to watch those porn which many times are insulting rthe women
 
Agree with margret, what will u do if u caught your son watching porn, and the worse part, those let by your husband.........
 
perhaps u ladies are nt open on porn. but u cant deny tat watching porn is part of growing up for man right? the more u hide the more the teen wan to see right, isnt tat the stage we pass by too?

Madeline,

If one day i caught my son watching porn, then i rather spend my time explaining to him then to shout, scream and scold him when basically he learn nothing and only push him to be more curious over porn and sex.

Clear path,

Movies might nt be a good educational tools too. Nt forgeting tat some movies seem to advocate tat it is ok nt to be faithful to one partner...doesnt these too are insulting to woman?

ultimately, be it porn or movies, man or woman still hv to use their own judgement to differentiate the right and wrong right.
 
Karen,

I hold a different view of things dun mean I am wrong.

U can go ask 10 man and almost all have watch porn during their teens.

Well, i dun mean watching porn is to learn how to have sex rite? I mean it can add colour for the adventurous couple to try differnt pose.
 
I agree with Karen, Porn is not part of growing up. I grew up without watching porn until I met my husband at age 24, then I got to know what porn is like and I don't like it. Yes, it is an insult to women.

However, with peers' pressure in school, it may be unavoidable for our kids to be influenced unless they mixed with the right group of friends. I'll be more worried for my boy when he grows up, ironically I am also worried for my girl too cos girls nowadays are very different from the past. They are bolder and more open minded. Parents will play a very important role in teaching them. Moral values play a very important part too. That's why there are books for toddlers teaching the differences between man and women body parts. It's important to teach them from young.

Like what michael said, though porn is common nowadays, it doesn't mean it's normal.
 
Well said Karen! We can live without porn, in fact life will be so much better without porn. Porn is just a degradation of human kind.

My husband started watching porn since secondary school when a classmate introduced it to him and he has been hooked since then.

Porn addiction is like drug addiction, it requires a long period of time to really get rid of it. Some used cold turkey treatment but if the addiction relapse, it will be worse than the previous addiction. It is really not easy for the wives to face the hurt and disappointment caused by porn-addiction husbands, similar to families being grieved by drug addicts. Porn is similar to drugs - they both destroy families and lives.

You would not give your children drugs, likewise, porn should never be part of our lives.

I was filling out an online divorce application last night and I made my husband fill it out together with me. He looked sad and he stopped after filling up the first 2 pages, saying it was too difficult. So we had a heart to heart talk without raising voice at each other. I told him in a calm manner how hurt I was by his porn addiction and him pushing all the blame to me when it's not even my fault. He realised he was wrong and sorry for hurting me.

We had this sort of talk many times before but I feel that this time is different. We have both matured in handling confrontational issues such as this and I am really surprised that this time I am able to relate in a calm manner. I'm not certain that this will be the last of his porn addiction discussion as we already had many rounds before. Now I feel that I am ready to stand by him to deter him from going back to porn. Just like the yellow ribbon project for drug addicts, if family memebers are willing to support the ex-drug convict and give them a second chance, they will be able to live clean one day.

We had a great time last night rekindling our love for each other and recommitting to this marriage. Now I truly understand the power of forgiveness, it not only release the offender but most importantly release my misery. I want to encourage all the wives here who were hurt by your husband's porn addiction to have a good heart-to-heart talk with your husband (without pointing fingers or raising voices) to untie the knot in your heart, it really feels extremely good. See this as an opportunity to improve your relationship and marriage.

Don't let porn destroy your marriage.
 
I too was not exposed to porn until I met my husband. I used to be addicted to porn too. When my husband neglects me, I would turn to porn and would masturbate myself to sleep every night. After some time, I lost interest in having sex with my husband and I will need to fantasize based on the images from porn to have the feeling while doing with my husband. Simply put, I am just using my husband to satisfy my fantasy. I know what goes on a person's mind who is addicted to porn as I have been there myself. I am being very open here as I want everyone to know that porn is dangerous stuff. It does nothing good but rob married couples of true marriage bliss.

If I can be addicted to porn in just a few months' time and caused such detrimental effect to my sexual well-being, let alone someone like my husband who has been drowning in porn for more than 20 years.
 
i guess everyone is different in handling tings and our views. I watch porn too, but i was nv addicted to it. I hv nv once masturbate myself from young till nw.

and when i say porn is part of growing up, it is part of man growing up, i nv say it is part of woman growing up. coz usually woman are less attracted to porn. For man, they usually start watching at teen. so it is a phase they will go thru, no matter how hard their parents try to keep them away from porn. yes, woman can proudly say tat u can live without it, but will the man say the same? The issue here is man addiction or woman addiction? before u jump on the man for watching, u hv to 1st understand y he watch and when he started watching.

some man outgrown it and stop totally, some get addicted and some will watch occasionally with gf or wife.
 
Diana, the issue here is not mainly on man addiction but in general pornography is not normal for both man and woman, husband and wife, young and old. What I am trying to say is that pornography is an obstacle to a fulfilled married life. If you are having a fulfilled sex life, why do you need porn for stimulation? If you feel offensive or defensive by this post here, you will need to look deep into your heart and ask whether you still think porn is alright.

Porn and deception go hand in hand. Stop deceiving yourself and you will be able to see clearly. One way for porn addicts to recover from addiction is to acknowledge that they have an addiction and stop deceiving themselves. You are right that different people handle different things and have different views. But there are also things that are either right or wrong and there is no debate about it, such as pornography. Have you seen anyone watching porn outrightly in public? No. Why? That's because everyone know porn is wrong and that's why they have to do it secretly (besides husband and wife but still within closed doors right).

Our mind is a fragile thing, if we are not strong enough we get sucked in and it creates havoc in our lives just as what I have depicted above on my own addiction and how it damages relationship and trust. I'm glad I saw the problem and got out of it and it has also helped me to help my husband overcome it, though it's more difficult as it is easier to hurt others than to forgive. I suppose everything happen for a reason, first my husband's long-term addiction, then I got addicted but got out of it, and now my duty as a wife to help him get out of it too so that we both can truly have a fulfilled marriage, what a marriage should originally be - just husband + wife and not husband + wife + porn.
 
wasabi,

I dun feel offensive or defensive wif ur post, coz i noe very well tat i am nt addicted at all. for me watching it some times does help to create mood. it hv no link on the fact tat people who hv fulfilled sex life will then watch porn right?

It really on individual perception. just like chinese medicine, some of it is actually posion. but if u used the correct amount it can be a good medicine to cure some illness.

in my view, everything is fine as long as nv overdose.

yes, people usually watch porn in pte coz this are consider pte affair juz like wen u make love wif ur hb all this are pte affair, so does tat mean making love is wrong? No, there are things people dun do in public nt becoz it is wrong but becoz it is pte affairs. the only time people will watch in public are those X rated movies rite?

u hv fallen into addiction previously becoz u let go of the control and u chosen to listen to ur needs since u are unable to get the satisfication from ur hb.

to me, as long as ur moral values is right and u did nt do anything to harm or hurt others, then u did not do anything wrong. thus if couple watch porn together and are comfortable abt it then fine....but if one party is nt willing to watch and the other impose on her/him then it is a misuse.

btw, i also nv say tat marriage muz hv porn ok. wat i hv keep saying is tat it is ok for couple to watch together if both are ok wif the idea. it was nv a muz in the first place. wat are impt in marriage are communication and trust. hb and wife muz communicated and trust each other...and in the event tat communication break down or trust is lost then the r/s are strained.

in ur case, the main thing tat might have break down ur marriage is lack of communication and porn may just be secondary. u might hv tried means to communicate wif ur hb, but it is nt communication if it is only one way traffic. see in the end how u managed to slavage ur marraige, it is still communication right?
 
Diana, I am speaking on the perspectives of a man.

- 'U can go ask 10 man and almost all have watch porn during their teens.'

U are wrong, not all men watch porn during teens, many of my friend didn't even access to porn even after they got married.

- 'and when i say porn is part of growing up, it is part of man growing up, i nv say it is part of woman growing up. coz usually woman are less attracted to porn. For man, they usually start watching at teen. so it is a phase they will go thru, no matter how hard their parents try to keep them away from porn. yes, woman can proudly say tat u can live without it, but will the man say the same? The issue here is man addiction or woman addiction? before u jump on the man for watching, u hv to 1st understand y he watch and when he started watching.

I was not access to porn till i am in my 20s, It's not part of growing up. Many of my friend and classmates don't like or didn't even touch anything about porn. As they find it sick and pervert. So the conclusion is men can also live without porn if they want.

From my upbringing, porn is definitely wrong, no matter how u look at it. If not our goverment would have encourage it to help increase the birth rates
 
Regretted,

I guess u r the only man i ever know nv watch porn during teens ba.....but guess there are minority ba.

I do agree tat nt all people will enjoy watching so some stop and dun ever watch after watching it for once.

to me there is alway a stage where man will be active in watchnig porn which will tend to die down later part of their life after they hv other better things to do.

upbringing wise whose parent will teach tat watching porn is correct. we all grow up knowing tat watching porn is a no no. but still we watch right, but limit to wif our hb or wife wat. i tink it depen on ur mindset on how u view it lor...for me like i say, some are funny tat u juz laff it off.

come on, porn is juz se qing, wat government wan is to increase birth rate nt se qing le. the prob government face is nt people dun wan to hv sex but people dun wan to gif birth....2 different issue lor.

yes, some of the porn are disgusting, which make us feel uncomfortable, the one tat i remember very well tat digust both me and my sister is anabelle chong porn.....we turn it off after watching barely for 5 mins.

it was nt part of ur growing up coz u nv access it during teens but wat about those man who start during teens? are u able to speak for them? there are always 2 side of the coin, and 2 version of story to be heard. wat i am speaking is merely from the other side tat mostly no one want to hear or will agreed, but tat dun mean i am wrong right?

if one wan to understand something and yet only wan to hear the things tat he/she wan to hear tat they will nv get the full story/picture de.

u all can say porn is wrong and condemn it but still the problem is nv solved. to really solved a problem one need to hv the full picture before jumping to conclusion.

things tat appear wrong to u mayb right to another person. so in such case, with no understanding on both side views points, the result is communication break down only.
 
like u say, u classified porn as 'se qing', but in reality, it lowering the moral of men.

from what i know no religion encourage porn, and all of them condemn it.

If u really know the truth facts, because of addiction to porn communication breakdown, because porn make a person lives in fantasy, they find it easier for them live in those world. Porn encourages having many sex partner, eg threesome, incest, child porngraphy, rape and many more. Are u saying all this is good?
 
I think the whole thing is not different view point. But whether it's the right or wrong. For me, watching porn no matter alone or with partner are totally wrong
 
Regretted,

wat my kind of environment? and since when did i say i speak for all men? so far beside here, sg bride hv these topic discussion before, and most of the men there say the same.

juz ask u a qn, wat is porn? it is still sex right? just tat instead of u doing it u r watching....so if porn is wrong then sex is also wrong lor?

in this world alot of things whether it is right or wrong it is a matter of perception and mindset. is gamble right? does it mean tat government set up casino so gamble is right? no right.....a little gamble might be ok but if addicted to gamble then it is nt ok.

prostitution also not morally right but why it still exist? coz government know tat if u remove prostitution rape rate might go up.

why r u in this forum? why r the ladies in this forum? simple reason, we hv been hurt before and we need an avenue to let out our emotion so we will stay sane rite...

the thing is if u keep thinking tat something is wrong and if ur close one are doing it, the first thing u will feel is anger and u will switch off and will refused to listen to them anymore. but does it help to solve the problem? if u hv maintain a neutral stand, perhaps u will be able to learn more from them and be able to understand their point of view and thus better solved the problem.
 
wendy,

it depend on wat type of porn u watching, there are a lot of type of porn, for me if i watch it is those normal type of porn. I only like tat wif story line or shld say more on x rated movies nt those wif child or animals type.

Sharon,

if u saw ur hb watching and u blow ur top and scold him off telling him he is wrong, does it solve the problem? or will it make him hide more things from u? u wan ur hb to be open wif u or start to hide things from u coz he know u think it is wrong and will scold him over it?
 
Diana, so if u see your husband secretly watching it, u just join him? If u do that, isn't u telling him u accept it?

No one is saying blowing the top and shouting at him, but must let him know it's wrong and make sure he don't do it again.
 
Diana, look at your previous posts..........

Good for u, since u think that porn can bond your marriage and let your husband communicate better with u through porn then good luck to u.
 
When a person is into watching porn, they will want to watch more and will more exciting. What u are saying is soft-porn. But there are those which does it with young children, animals and objects, are those good?
 
from what i know those people making porngraphy will make sure the show are made as disgusting as possible so as to attract more viewers, like those sick and perverts janpanese porn. U see there are so many young japanese exploited by them.

i WILL stand firm to stop porngraphy. Don't want our society to turn into those in Japanese
 
Sharon,

how can u be so sure he will nt do it again? he could be hiding it better rite? my hb know i am ok to watch wif him, so if he watch when i am nt around and i ask he will tell me he watch and nt attempt to lie to me over it.

juz like teaching a kid. the more u keep telling him it is wrong, the more he will hide things from u for he fear ur reaction upon hearing the truth, and in the end, it nv help him at all.

like i say, we are brought up in such way tat porn are no no...so all of us know it is nt totally right to watch. but if it is acceptable to both then they can proceed as long as nt addicted to it, then it is ok.

our hb likewise are brought up in the same way, and if we keep telling them they are wrong, how will they feel? instead of saying it is wrong to watch, y dun u juz tell him tat u r nt comfortable wif him watching as it hurt u coz it make u feel tat u are nt attractive to him? u get my drift?
 
at least he will know he should not, and it will make him feel bad.

How will u know whether he is addict or not. All addict will do it secretly.

Let's say, he want to watch with u and u are busy with house work. He watches it alone and admring the body of the actress, he then feel excited and masterbate. do u blame him?
 
The whole problem of saying porngraphy is alright is due to changes in the thinking of many people who are corrupted by those western thinking, they talk about freedom and openess. But they don't know the danger in it
 
wendy,

i agreed those type are no good....and i am against those type of porn. to me people watching those type of porn are bian tai.

regret,

i nv say it bond the marriage, but i juz say it add colour. if a marriage i bond by only porn it is as good as building it on sex. then it will juz be a day when a better lady come by and he got swept away.

madeline,

Stop porn, it will only cause another set of social prob coz if the demand is there then people will use unscrupulous method to produce. government in the world know very well tat it is nt easy to stop the demand so none of them really stop porn production. as long as people are willing to be pay to do the show and nt force government are unlikely to step in.

juz like prostitution, if government really mean to stop it, why is it tat raid after raid the trade still carry on?
 
men always think they are almighty. For example, they can get close to another ladies but will not get invloved. They think going to night club and visit prosititues is ok. So are we suppose to go along with their kind of thinking?
 
at least it will limit it. If u read the news, there are many raids on those child porngraphy.

U might have misunderstand, what we are saying here are those which are hardcore porn.
 


Diana, i believed there are more ways of adding colours to the marriage. If a couple depend on porn to build up their marriage, the marriage will definitely go intom problems. Fantasy and obession will take over.
 

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