ANY MALAY MUMS HERE?
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julie_c
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Yasmin,
urs is normal or c-sect? Setahu i sekarang memang banyak doc prefer to do c-sect..
Hopefully i try not to pasal bak kena potong potong ni ada sikit seram..
Nor,
Nak jugak bawak my son pergi fidgets.. sounds like fun.. Ashik duduk rumah aje.. Sesekali nak jugak mix dgn dunia luarkan.. Cuma these week i tak dapat pergi ada my hb family kat sini..
urs is normal or c-sect? Setahu i sekarang memang banyak doc prefer to do c-sect..
Hopefully i try not to pasal bak kena potong potong ni ada sikit seram..
Nor,
Nak jugak bawak my son pergi fidgets.. sounds like fun.. Ashik duduk rumah aje.. Sesekali nak jugak mix dgn dunia luarkan.. Cuma these week i tak dapat pergi ada my hb family kat sini..
danryan
me before beranak pon severe pelvic pain, 6 mths i jalan macam koboi. sempai kena pegi theraphy bec my knees misaligned.
Tapi my pelvic pain went away lepas i pakai bengkung. the makcik urut ikat ketat ketat sampai lepas punggung. Lepas kena bengkung a few days baru rase lega sikit and no more pain. I only pakai bengkung after 1.5mths i deliver bec c-sect i tak berani pakai earlier.
maybe u can try.
me before beranak pon severe pelvic pain, 6 mths i jalan macam koboi. sempai kena pegi theraphy bec my knees misaligned.
Tapi my pelvic pain went away lepas i pakai bengkung. the makcik urut ikat ketat ketat sampai lepas punggung. Lepas kena bengkung a few days baru rase lega sikit and no more pain. I only pakai bengkung after 1.5mths i deliver bec c-sect i tak berani pakai earlier.
maybe u can try.
nora
kat umah me still wrap wif binder and bila keluar wear girdle wor....kekadang ada rasa and sometime tak rasa....macam tenggelam2 timbul hahaha....lagi pon mayb i tak enough rehat during my confinement i kena stays at KK wif my bb gal yg kena chix pox then again i ligation skali after my delivery on june recently...
kat umah me still wrap wif binder and bila keluar wear girdle wor....kekadang ada rasa and sometime tak rasa....macam tenggelam2 timbul hahaha....lagi pon mayb i tak enough rehat during my confinement i kena stays at KK wif my bb gal yg kena chix pox then again i ligation skali after my delivery on june recently...
Hahaha... Yasmin, i oso feel sharp pain at ribcage.. do scanning, sonongrapher said my bb leg is very near at my ribacage.. so whenever i feel sharp pain means bb is kicking me.. She said I hv sufficient fluid tt makes bb easier to more ard freely...
Julian, masa i kat hosp gt tis kakak she's 7mths preggie..she admiited to hosp sbb she feel pain at tt area too.. kesian dia...susah nk jln.. she use wheelchair thruout her stayed...
**baby bonus**
best eh if dpt..too bad single mum nt eligible.. i tk dpt rasa ahh bb bonus...
**Fidgets**
wld like to join but cant... takut2 otw dere i terbranak... hehehe.. insya'allah if nxt yr gt such outing will join u all...
Julian, masa i kat hosp gt tis kakak she's 7mths preggie..she admiited to hosp sbb she feel pain at tt area too.. kesian dia...susah nk jln.. she use wheelchair thruout her stayed...
**baby bonus**
best eh if dpt..too bad single mum nt eligible.. i tk dpt rasa ahh bb bonus...
**Fidgets**
wld like to join but cant... takut2 otw dere i terbranak... hehehe.. insya'allah if nxt yr gt such outing will join u all...
*Sri*
Kalo u terbranak kat sane then ur bby will be the youngest member there
Anyway asal bby bonus tak dapat pulak? Single or not dapat right
As long as bby is Singaporean citizen....
*Pasal bby bonus*
The new details out already? me hope ade extra incentive implimented by October before i meletup in Nov...kalo tak rugi sey...
Kalo u terbranak kat sane then ur bby will be the youngest member there
*Pasal bby bonus*
The new details out already? me hope ade extra incentive implimented by October before i meletup in Nov...kalo tak rugi sey...
julie_c
Member
Insya-Allah kalau boleh, i nak normal jugak.. 1st and 2nd normal cuma sekarang ada paranoid sikit..
Sri Leo,
u choose which hospital.. U due bulan puasa kan..
sorry i curious sikit.. kenapa u tak eligible for baby bonus? ni baby u no. berapa ehh??
Mas..
How's Izz? i doakan dia selamat dan sihat..
Sri Leo,
u choose which hospital.. U due bulan puasa kan..
sorry i curious sikit.. kenapa u tak eligible for baby bonus? ni baby u no. berapa ehh??
Mas..
How's Izz? i doakan dia selamat dan sihat..
julie_c
Member
nor, i dengar pasal baby bonusnye news released by this week.. Tunggu pak wong kan seng buat kira kira dulu duit cukup tak untuk kita semua..
4 weeks extended maternity leave tu i tak dapat lah pasal i SAHM.. rugikan.. They should do something for SAHM jugak pasal we depend on gaji hb aje..
4 weeks extended maternity leave tu i tak dapat lah pasal i SAHM.. rugikan.. They should do something for SAHM jugak pasal we depend on gaji hb aje..
*siti*
Me ingat cikgu Osman
but i think the most memorable malay cikgu is definately CIKGU DOLLAH
Me at JSPS 1988-1993. kalo nampak ade sorang budak melayu gemok bertahun-tahun duk depan nurse/HOD/principal's office during reccess (1991-1993)...tat's me
Tak buat correction n pass up homework/file punya pasal...
Me ingat cikgu Osman
Me at JSPS 1988-1993. kalo nampak ade sorang budak melayu gemok bertahun-tahun duk depan nurse/HOD/principal's office during reccess (1991-1993)...tat's me
mummy_min
Member
entahlah..tk prasan lak..as for cikgu dollah, dia tk ajar i sgnt..yg ajar i cikgu osman,halijah and aminah.
for the 4mths mat leave tu, do u guys think our comp happy abt it? ader je drg cari pasal dgn kiter b4 we go for leave. mcm tk secure gitu..
sri, u try to ask mcys whether ur baby eligible for baby bonus. tkkan single parent tk dpt seh...its still a baby coming out pe...
for the 4mths mat leave tu, do u guys think our comp happy abt it? ader je drg cari pasal dgn kiter b4 we go for leave. mcm tk secure gitu..
sri, u try to ask mcys whether ur baby eligible for baby bonus. tkkan single parent tk dpt seh...its still a baby coming out pe...
siti
u are spot on abt the maternity leave. semalam org dah hint hint kat sini
ade collegues yg tanye i yesterday tak nak beranak lagi ke mat leave 4 mths. I told them off. I said kite beranak dpt maternity 4 bulan tapi tak guaranteed anak kite terbela kan. I cakap lagi kalau nak beranak pun dun do it for the wrong reasons. Some pple dah tak dapat enjoy the "benefit" sakit hati pulak bile org lain dapat. My work environment is not pro-family la.
Baru semalam i told hubby that i might consider working half day when my boy da start primary school.
Rase rase mcm nak carik keje kat govt office je.
u are spot on abt the maternity leave. semalam org dah hint hint kat sini
ade collegues yg tanye i yesterday tak nak beranak lagi ke mat leave 4 mths. I told them off. I said kite beranak dpt maternity 4 bulan tapi tak guaranteed anak kite terbela kan. I cakap lagi kalau nak beranak pun dun do it for the wrong reasons. Some pple dah tak dapat enjoy the "benefit" sakit hati pulak bile org lain dapat. My work environment is not pro-family la.
Baru semalam i told hubby that i might consider working half day when my boy da start primary school.
Rase rase mcm nak carik keje kat govt office je.
Alamak, I'm lost already. Banyak sangat posts.
Hello to all new mummies.
Cakap pasal Jin Shan, I'm from the rival school, Clementi North from 85-90. Btw, Cikgu Halijah was my colleague 10 years ago. I pun from Clementi dulu, Avenue 4.
Anyway 4 months maternity leave won't be much of a difference to me coz I'm a flexi adjunct teacher. No work, no pay. Kalau dapat monetary rewards besides the baby bonus pun bagus jugak. But we being Singaporeans will never be satisfied with what the govt's offering. Asyik nak lebih ajer.
Hello to all new mummies.
Cakap pasal Jin Shan, I'm from the rival school, Clementi North from 85-90. Btw, Cikgu Halijah was my colleague 10 years ago. I pun from Clementi dulu, Avenue 4.
Anyway 4 months maternity leave won't be much of a difference to me coz I'm a flexi adjunct teacher. No work, no pay. Kalau dapat monetary rewards besides the baby bonus pun bagus jugak. But we being Singaporeans will never be satisfied with what the govt's offering. Asyik nak lebih ajer.
Julian
yea they shld something for SAHM or working fathers who is sole breadwinner
nora
its soo true apa u cakap. ada mat leave pun, baby bonus - it only last for a while. anak dibela 20 years like dat..its not abt the money also. character lah, pelajaran lah - ni nak kena monitor closely. if mums stress sangat dengan kerja,burnt out, cam mana nak check seh. susah betul
rather than money - rather work options be changed. like freelance , part time work ke. work from home ke.rumah cheaper ke.std of living cheaper ke. bigger difference.
yea they shld something for SAHM or working fathers who is sole breadwinner
nora
its soo true apa u cakap. ada mat leave pun, baby bonus - it only last for a while. anak dibela 20 years like dat..its not abt the money also. character lah, pelajaran lah - ni nak kena monitor closely. if mums stress sangat dengan kerja,burnt out, cam mana nak check seh. susah betul
rather than money - rather work options be changed. like freelance , part time work ke. work from home ke.rumah cheaper ke.std of living cheaper ke. bigger difference.
hahaha.. yasmin..sal buttock dia lembam nt ur fault..some babies keluar mmg mcm tu.. don feel guilty ya.. hehehe.. i bila part my dear bb kick, i tk marah..but i told bb "kat dlm kick tk pe..jgn bila Syg dh besar, Syg kick ibu eh..." kekeke...
Ima, bb bonus for single mum tk leh dpt..muz be legally married to the father of the child b4 the child 6yrs baru leh dpt...
So Julian hopes the above clarification, ans ur qns.. hee
tis is my 1st & last child... I due 12 sept but doc expected me to give birth tis mth.. I'll be deliver @ KKH...
Ima, bb bonus for single mum tk leh dpt..muz be legally married to the father of the child b4 the child 6yrs baru leh dpt...
So Julian hopes the above clarification, ans ur qns.. hee
styliciously
Member
wah.. fidgets looks nice but so far away!
got one at downtown east also. they even have a skate ring. i can't wait for ayuni to walk n also rollerblade. ahaha! now downtown east got alot of things to do! havnt explore the e hub yet
http://www.explorerkid.com
got one at downtown east also. they even have a skate ring. i can't wait for ayuni to walk n also rollerblade. ahaha! now downtown east got alot of things to do! havnt explore the e hub yet
http://www.explorerkid.com
julie_c
Member
Sri leo,
If i tak silap, u can appeal to MCYS and inform them about ur situation.. Cos if its ur 1st baby, kan ada cakap they going to increase the amount.. Anyway its not the moneylah that matters but it helps in one way or another..
Sri, i hope everything goes well for you.. I doakan u bersalin dengan selamat..
Nak besarkan budak ni bukan nya murah sekarang..
When i survey baby diapers and milk powders, boleh pengsan harga dia.. What to do.. Nak kerja problem, tak kerja financially problem pulak..
If i tak silap, u can appeal to MCYS and inform them about ur situation.. Cos if its ur 1st baby, kan ada cakap they going to increase the amount.. Anyway its not the moneylah that matters but it helps in one way or another..
Sri, i hope everything goes well for you.. I doakan u bersalin dengan selamat..
Nak besarkan budak ni bukan nya murah sekarang..
When i survey baby diapers and milk powders, boleh pengsan harga dia.. What to do.. Nak kerja problem, tak kerja financially problem pulak..
minibear,
u cannot join us?
gotta wait for hubby then can go?
faiq 2mths old i dah jalan sendiri with him...took mrt easier...if bus i surrender...
if kena naik bus...ku mintak car keys and drive...lagi senang.
that time i went out when faiq was so young pun cos i myself wana get myself used to going out with him alone..plus i was so bored during confinement...hehehe...
now at 8mths faiq is used to going out and taking mrt.
looking at people and sound of the train don't scare him like it does to some babies.
minibear, if u nak go from woodlands u can share cab with ima pe.
from woodlands to bukit timah is near.
ima,
nanti aku comfirm again on the timing yah.
u cannot join us?
gotta wait for hubby then can go?
faiq 2mths old i dah jalan sendiri with him...took mrt easier...if bus i surrender...
if kena naik bus...ku mintak car keys and drive...lagi senang.
that time i went out when faiq was so young pun cos i myself wana get myself used to going out with him alone..plus i was so bored during confinement...hehehe...
now at 8mths faiq is used to going out and taking mrt.
looking at people and sound of the train don't scare him like it does to some babies.
minibear, if u nak go from woodlands u can share cab with ima pe.
from woodlands to bukit timah is near.
ima,
nanti aku comfirm again on the timing yah.
ayimarliana
New Member
helo helo all mummies...
i jus left the forum few hrs,thread da panjang se..
minibear,babylee
thanks fer the wish..
moga2 delivery kiter2 yg due will b smooth ya..
yasmin,Sri,
a'ah my ribs selalu kena attack ngan baby..
cam hepi gitu baby kat dlm asyik relek dat corner.
betty,
helo to u too..thankiu welcome me & other new mummies here.
kat my werkplace pun gitu..not tat they tak support pregnancy..
fer the upper ppl,they pening to slot our cuti..
and the rest yg either lum kawin,or taknak kawin or taknak anak or that sort..kadang2 like u noe keep whining like hw our existing maternity leave affects their booking of leave slots la..
i mean bukan kiter sengaja nak jadi production factory ke ape kan..
lagik my werkplace pulak,biler satu ngandung..mesti ader another 2 at least also sangkut..
seasonal pregnancies & births..hehe..
lagik2 nw soon to be 4mths ML...memekak la lagi org pat keje...hehe
i jus left the forum few hrs,thread da panjang se..
minibear,babylee
thanks fer the wish..
moga2 delivery kiter2 yg due will b smooth ya..
yasmin,Sri,
a'ah my ribs selalu kena attack ngan baby..
cam hepi gitu baby kat dlm asyik relek dat corner.
betty,
helo to u too..thankiu welcome me & other new mummies here.
kat my werkplace pun gitu..not tat they tak support pregnancy..
fer the upper ppl,they pening to slot our cuti..
and the rest yg either lum kawin,or taknak kawin or taknak anak or that sort..kadang2 like u noe keep whining like hw our existing maternity leave affects their booking of leave slots la..
i mean bukan kiter sengaja nak jadi production factory ke ape kan..
lagik my werkplace pulak,biler satu ngandung..mesti ader another 2 at least also sangkut..
seasonal pregnancies & births..hehe..
lagik2 nw soon to be 4mths ML...memekak la lagi org pat keje...hehe
styli,
u all eastern mummies can go playground@big splash.
down there got frisk n romp.
think there is nearer to u than downtown east rite?
u all eastern mummies can go playground@big splash.
down there got frisk n romp.
think there is nearer to u than downtown east rite?
styliciously
Member
maternity:
so far realised my boss did not comment on the 4 month maternity. my office now got 2 preg staff EDD only 1 mth apart n they planning to come back after 2 mths.. wonder how sey if 4 mths.. surely need manpower. if not, i jugak jadi octopus!
nora,
ur colleagues not Y2K generation one ah..
4 mth maternity actually ok but not the best move i feel. the longer u go off, the more work u have. If they make female working hrs shorter by a bit like a 1hr everyday better.. dunt need to rush home n at least u are at work everyday..
SAHM:
its true abt what govt say lost of opportunity to earn income... Govt wants us to have babies n yet work at the same time(eg tax relief for FTWM), tat y nothing for SAHM or fathers.. without its pple, SG is nothing. then its should be a mindset/attitude change.. ie pro family instead of just giving out bonus n maternity leave which is like a one-off thing per child.
but work wise sg is still quite traditional n not flexible. but for me nowadays, I always leave on the dot. hah!
so far realised my boss did not comment on the 4 month maternity. my office now got 2 preg staff EDD only 1 mth apart n they planning to come back after 2 mths.. wonder how sey if 4 mths.. surely need manpower. if not, i jugak jadi octopus!
nora,
ur colleagues not Y2K generation one ah..
4 mth maternity actually ok but not the best move i feel. the longer u go off, the more work u have. If they make female working hrs shorter by a bit like a 1hr everyday better.. dunt need to rush home n at least u are at work everyday..
SAHM:
its true abt what govt say lost of opportunity to earn income... Govt wants us to have babies n yet work at the same time(eg tax relief for FTWM), tat y nothing for SAHM or fathers.. without its pple, SG is nothing. then its should be a mindset/attitude change.. ie pro family instead of just giving out bonus n maternity leave which is like a one-off thing per child.
but work wise sg is still quite traditional n not flexible. but for me nowadays, I always leave on the dot. hah!
mamaliz
Active Member
good evening ladies...
in regards to the pro family ni kan..all im hoping for is the childcare to be heavily subsidised by gahmen or at least sg make the companies in sg more pro family so that we all can go out n work....saper yg tak nak keje if we can help to ease the burden financially kan...
nshah...
no news from my fren lahh...dah tanya but no response so i think u dont hope so much lah for it...sorry eh..
lynzi n ima..
hmm..if u ladies going after 1pm i might be able to join pasal my girl abis skool at 1pm...if jadik then i meet ima at amk mrt lah to take the shuttle....tak berani pi sorang sorang pasal turf ct tu jauh ke dalam....n im always lost at that place sehh....
in regards to the pro family ni kan..all im hoping for is the childcare to be heavily subsidised by gahmen or at least sg make the companies in sg more pro family so that we all can go out n work....saper yg tak nak keje if we can help to ease the burden financially kan...
nshah...
no news from my fren lahh...dah tanya but no response so i think u dont hope so much lah for it...sorry eh..
lynzi n ima..
hmm..if u ladies going after 1pm i might be able to join pasal my girl abis skool at 1pm...if jadik then i meet ima at amk mrt lah to take the shuttle....tak berani pi sorang sorang pasal turf ct tu jauh ke dalam....n im always lost at that place sehh....
moms yg nak pi fidgets tmr, take note tau dat place is yg sebelah blakang. Kalo kluar dari Giant after check out, turn left then ade escalator, naik smp the door. cos the place is sooo BIG!! First time aku pegi, sesat sey! lol!! Have Fun! Too bad aku takle join tmr! Kalo gi Sunday, then can mit there!
naddy, then u mesti kenal my sis!
sama batch dgn u ler.
naddy, then u mesti kenal my sis!
sama batch dgn u ler.
mamaliz
Active Member
good morninggggggggg ladiessssss
U ALL DAH BACA THE NEW PAPER TODAY?????? HEHEHEHE...PAK WONG DAH CONFIRM DAH THE DETAILS FOR THE BABY BENEFITS....WAHHH THE CHILDCARE UP FROM $150 TO $300 FOR WORKING MUMS SEHHH...NI BUAT I NAK PI KEJE NI....HEHEHEHE...NOW FIRST CHILD PON DAPAT CDA ACCT BUT ONLY FOR CHILD BORN NEXT JANUARY ONWARDS....PANDAI DIORANG EH...YG DAH PREGGY TAKYAH ENCOURAGE YG BELUM PREGGY TU DIORANG NAK PANCING....SO AMACAMZ...? ANYONE THINKING OF BABY MAKING AGAIN..? HEHEHEHE
U ALL DAH BACA THE NEW PAPER TODAY?????? HEHEHEHE...PAK WONG DAH CONFIRM DAH THE DETAILS FOR THE BABY BENEFITS....WAHHH THE CHILDCARE UP FROM $150 TO $300 FOR WORKING MUMS SEHHH...NI BUAT I NAK PI KEJE NI....HEHEHEHE...NOW FIRST CHILD PON DAPAT CDA ACCT BUT ONLY FOR CHILD BORN NEXT JANUARY ONWARDS....PANDAI DIORANG EH...YG DAH PREGGY TAKYAH ENCOURAGE YG BELUM PREGGY TU DIORANG NAK PANCING....SO AMACAMZ...? ANYONE THINKING OF BABY MAKING AGAIN..? HEHEHEHE
ayimarliana
New Member
mornin all mummies..
mamaliz,
wat???? onli with effect from Jan??
abih kiter2 yg due tis yr tak dpt?..ish..tak patut...
mamaliz,
wat???? onli with effect from Jan??
abih kiter2 yg due tis yr tak dpt?..ish..tak patut...
mamaliz
me me..!! hehehe i memamg dah plan for 2009 baby but i prefer end of the yr baby.. so will start pancing maybe early tis yr.. hehehe Insya-Allah itu pun klu ada rezeki..
East Mummies!!
Any recommendation playgroup centre for 18mth.. i plan to send Naufal, now he already 12mth.. still havent decide nak antar kat ner.. prefer ard bedok reservoir/eunos/kembangan area.. TIA
me me..!! hehehe i memamg dah plan for 2009 baby but i prefer end of the yr baby.. so will start pancing maybe early tis yr.. hehehe Insya-Allah itu pun klu ada rezeki..
East Mummies!!
Any recommendation playgroup centre for 18mth.. i plan to send Naufal, now he already 12mth.. still havent decide nak antar kat ner.. prefer ard bedok reservoir/eunos/kembangan area.. TIA
Morning to all
mamaliz
haiz, melepas lah kita....tak dapat benefit....
my fren yg dah bersalin #5 on April lalu pon lagi melepas....
lynn
wah...cun lah u target to get bb next yr...hehehe
FIDGET
Told my hubby abt dat place interested and nak go on 30aug to celebrate together wif my 2nd son nye bday.....dat day falls on saturday mesti ramai org kan kan...
S'pura Shiok
Smlm watch dat show, got the chance to see JACOBS BALL (betul ke name dat pl) yg some mommies pernah gi dulu....so interesting place jugak....feel like going but dah nak posa pulakkk..
mamaliz
haiz, melepas lah kita....tak dapat benefit....
my fren yg dah bersalin #5 on April lalu pon lagi melepas....
lynn
wah...cun lah u target to get bb next yr...hehehe
FIDGET
Told my hubby abt dat place interested and nak go on 30aug to celebrate together wif my 2nd son nye bday.....dat day falls on saturday mesti ramai org kan kan...
S'pura Shiok
Smlm watch dat show, got the chance to see JACOBS BALL (betul ke name dat pl) yg some mommies pernah gi dulu....so interesting place jugak....feel like going but dah nak posa pulakkk..
Danryan
hehehe kita merancang je.. Insya-Allah
Fidgets
if u wanna go on sat, memang ramai org but still ok cos the place quite big.. the last time i went pun on sat.. but still ok lah, masih ada tempat utk naufal crawl ard..
Ydays show tu is the same place where some mummies pernah gi dulu.. they even post some of the photo here..
hehehe kita merancang je.. Insya-Allah
Fidgets
if u wanna go on sat, memang ramai org but still ok cos the place quite big.. the last time i went pun on sat.. but still ok lah, masih ada tempat utk naufal crawl ard..
Ydays show tu is the same place where some mummies pernah gi dulu.. they even post some of the photo here..
mamaliz
Active Member
lynn..
heheheh...wah dah semangat lah tu ehh...best of luck to u then! get the ball rolling~~~~
Arliana
hehehe...nak cakap apa kan....lain lah kalau u nak anak lagi...then get the ball rolling for 2009 babies pulak n get the benefits along...hehehehe
jacobs ballas childrens garden
great place!! in my view lahh...cos i think its good to let our kids play surrounded by nature...i dont like skarang nya playground cos too plastic lahh...over at the garden its sand at the playground and there are flowers n ponds...even got water play area to let the kids get wet....fun lahhh...maybe we make another gathering there b4 puasa??? i didnt make it last time...but went there myself...
http://www.sbg.org.sg/bukittimahcore/ChildrenGarden.asp
heheheh...wah dah semangat lah tu ehh...best of luck to u then! get the ball rolling~~~~
Arliana
hehehe...nak cakap apa kan....lain lah kalau u nak anak lagi...then get the ball rolling for 2009 babies pulak n get the benefits along...hehehehe
jacobs ballas childrens garden
great place!! in my view lahh...cos i think its good to let our kids play surrounded by nature...i dont like skarang nya playground cos too plastic lahh...over at the garden its sand at the playground and there are flowers n ponds...even got water play area to let the kids get wet....fun lahhh...maybe we make another gathering there b4 puasa??? i didnt make it last time...but went there myself...
http://www.sbg.org.sg/bukittimahcore/ChildrenGarden.asp
mamaliz
Active Member
some pics i took masa pergi jacob ballas garden dat time..
http://akimnliz.multiply.com/photos/album/20/JACOBS_BALLAS_CHILDRENS_GARDEN
http://akimnliz.multiply.com/photos/album/20/JACOBS_BALLAS_CHILDRENS_GARDEN
