IVF/ICSI Support Group

Uptheair

Active Member
I also have low ovarian reserve and had failed my second ivf in Sep 2020. Am taking a break now.

For my first ivf, I've gotten 6 eggs and 1 made it to blast. Have transferred it but didn't succeed. For my 2nd round, I didn't even have any eggs to transfer. All became too fragmented. Before my 2nd round, I was with Dr Zuo at AMK. Took her med, and had acu regularly and the result was terrible. Probably also the the high dosage/ incompatible drugs used for my 2nd round. Not sure...

TCM needs at least 3 months and above to see effect, and yes, consistency is key. I agree not to haste too, anyway, how many rounds of stimms can we take in a lifetime. Go for ivf when you're ready. All the best.
I also have low ovarian reserve and had failed my second ivf in Sep 2020. Am taking a break now.

For my first ivf, I've gotten 6 eggs and 1 made it to blast. Have transferred it but didn't succeed. For my 2nd round, I didn't even have any eggs to transfer. All became too fragmented. Before my 2nd round, I was with Dr Zuo at AMK. Took her med, and had acu regularly and the result was terrible. Probably also the the high dosage/ incompatible drugs used for my 2nd round. Not sure...

TCM needs at least 3 months and above to see effect, and yes, consistency is key. I agree not to haste too, anyway, how many rounds of stimms can we take in a lifetime. Go for ivf when you're ready. All the best.
I saw Dr Zou before my first ivf and had bad results for that ivf. Probably not suitable for me. I changed physician after that and saw results within one month. Maybe try another physician and see if it helps. Sometimes, it is also by luck if the physician is suitable for you or not.
 


Raksha AR

Member
I didn’t have low ovarian reserve but had unexplained infertility. Saw a few tcm physicians and my last one did help (I believe? Well, I changed a lot of other factors too like lifestyle, diet and even substances I used so I don’t know which worked) get me more blastocysts than my first cycle which I had no blasts. However tcm is a long journey, my current one I stuck with her for 1.5 years and visited almost every week before I succeeded. So I guess unless you have the patience to go through at least a few months, tcm route may not be the one for you if you want instant results.
Hi do you mind recommending your TCM? thank you
 
Hello,

I am new here.

After reading the forum and tearing at some parts of it, I want to share a bit of my journey in this.

My husband and I have been trying for a baby since we got married. After one year of trying, we decided to seek medical assistance. My husband is healthy and my womb is healthy.
The doctor suggested that I try the ovulation pills first.

I had three rounds of letrozole and three rounds of clomid. Both pills has gave me side effect every time I have consumed it. Eg. feeling bloated, dizzy and heaty and lethargic. There was one time that I had high fever due to it. It was quite traumatic, especially every time I went back for the blood test, they confirmed the pills worked but at the end of the day, I am still not pregnant.

I felt so lost, negative and lonely. It doesn’t help with the pressure from in law and my own mother (both doesn’t know that I went for medical help) and my friend who got married later than me, who got pregnant on the same night she got married and lamenting on wanting to enjoy couple life first and go on travels and such but now she’s pregnant and “it has changed the course of her life”.

Every month, I felt obsessed and slightly crazy. So many others on the news who gave up on their child, abuse their child, sold their child and kill their child has the rights to be pregnant and a chance to give birth to a child.
“But not me...”
These thoughts“what the F”s and “why”s that ran through every time I failed.
My emotions was all over and it’s funny how I have to even try hard to be happy and positive.

Regardless, I was determined to have at least one child (I wanted 5 when I was younger. The ironic in life. Lol).

I went on to try IUI but also without success.
The following on our second round of IUI, the second scan, I had 10 right size follicles. The doctor raise his concerns and gave me two choice: to go for IVF or drop this cycle as there is a chance of multi births.

“Drop the cycle and wait for months to get an appointment and we don’t even know if it will be successful, seriously?”, went through my mind.

So I dive right into IVF with all the signing of disclaimers, the taking of daily timely jabs and the waiting while feeling perplexed.

Result: Extracted 19 eggs, only 10 fertilised, 5 made it to blastocyst but 4 needed more observation. So I had that mighty one blastocyst for ET (feeling hopeful at that time).
After days and nights of crinone, morning folic acid, restricted diet and exercise; three days before the blood test, I started bleeding. Initially, it was just spotting. Then the night came and it was a full on.

*Explict warning*
I finished peeing and wanted to clean up. I then felt a blob coming out on to the tissue I was using and I stared at it. just casually drop it into the toilet bowl, clean myself up, flushed everything, walked to the sofa and stared into the air.
*End of explict*

“I give up.”

The following day, the embryologist called and informed me that the other 4 did not make it and hence there was no embryo to be freezed.

I know it just wasn’t meant to be. It is just not the time for me.

At present, here I am waiting for my second IVF in probably Jan 2021 and trying for TCM that a friend recommended (Feng Jia Yang @ People’s Park Complex). I just started TCM one week ago so I can’t give any concrete reviews yet but the place seems pretty popular (the crowd).

Conclusion currently: There are always ups and downs in life. Even if it doesn’t happen now, we just have to continue to love ourselves, appreciate our life and continue to try our best. Truth to be told, I felt happier and relieved that my first IVF is over. With the new knowledge I have, I think I will feel better (less tension) on my second IVF and hope for the best.

And one day if I ever have my first child, I would be more financially ready and even more appreciative of everything.

Thank you for hearing me out.
 

Dreamscometrue

Well-Known Member
Hello,

I am new here.

After reading the forum and tearing at some parts of it, I want to share a bit of my journey in this.

My husband and I have been trying for a baby since we got married. After one year of trying, we decided to seek medical assistance. My husband is healthy and my womb is healthy.
The doctor suggested that I try the ovulation pills first.

I had three rounds of letrozole and three rounds of clomid. Both pills has gave me side effect every time I have consumed it. Eg. feeling bloated, dizzy and heaty and lethargic. There was one time that I had high fever due to it. It was quite traumatic, especially every time I went back for the blood test, they confirmed the pills worked but at the end of the day, I am still not pregnant.

I felt so lost, negative and lonely. It doesn’t help with the pressure from in law and my own mother (both doesn’t know that I went for medical help) and my friend who got married later than me, who got pregnant on the same night she got married and lamenting on wanting to enjoy couple life first and go on travels and such but now she’s pregnant and “it has changed the course of her life”.

Every month, I felt obsessed and slightly crazy. So many others on the news who gave up on their child, abuse their child, sold their child and kill their child has the rights to be pregnant and a chance to give birth to a child.
“But not me...”
These thoughts“what the F”s and “why”s that ran through every time I failed.
My emotions was all over and it’s funny how I have to even try hard to be happy and positive.

Regardless, I was determined to have at least one child (I wanted 5 when I was younger. The ironic in life. Lol).

I went on to try IUI but also without success.
The following on our second round of IUI, the second scan, I had 10 right size follicles. The doctor raise his concerns and gave me two choice: to go for IVF or drop this cycle as there is a chance of multi births.

“Drop the cycle and wait for months to get an appointment and we don’t even know if it will be successful, seriously?”, went through my mind.

So I dive right into IVF with all the signing of disclaimers, the taking of daily timely jabs and the waiting while feeling perplexed.

Result: Extracted 19 eggs, only 10 fertilised, 5 made it to blastocyst but 4 needed more observation. So I had that mighty one blastocyst for ET (feeling hopeful at that time).
After days and nights of crinone, morning folic acid, restricted diet and exercise; three days before the blood test, I started bleeding. Initially, it was just spotting. Then the night came and it was a full on.

*Explict warning*
I finished peeing and wanted to clean up. I then felt a blob coming out on to the tissue I was using and I stared at it. just casually drop it into the toilet bowl, clean myself up, flushed everything, walked to the sofa and stared into the air.
*End of explict*

“I give up.”

The following day, the embryologist called and informed me that the other 4 did not make it and hence there was no embryo to be freezed.

I know it just wasn’t meant to be. It is just not the time for me.

At present, here I am waiting for my second IVF in probably Jan 2021 and trying for TCM that a friend recommended (Feng Jia Yang @ People’s Park Complex). I just started TCM one week ago so I can’t give any concrete reviews yet but the place seems pretty popular (the crowd).

Conclusion currently: There are always ups and downs in life. Even if it doesn’t happen now, we just have to continue to love ourselves, appreciate our life and continue to try our best. Truth to be told, I felt happier and relieved that my first IVF is over. With the new knowledge I have, I think I will feel better (less tension) on my second IVF and hope for the best.

And one day if I ever have my first child, I would be more financially ready and even more appreciative of everything.

Thank you for hearing me out.
Hey, you're not alone!!! We need both mental and physical health in this journey!

The tcm and people's park is not so well known for fertility but hey I went b4 also. A good 4- 6 months b4 I changed tcm cos it didn't work for me
 

iibears

Active Member
Hello,

I am new here.

After reading the forum and tearing at some parts of it, I want to share a bit of my journey in this.

My husband and I have been trying for a baby since we got married. After one year of trying, we decided to seek medical assistance. My husband is healthy and my womb is healthy.
The doctor suggested that I try the ovulation pills first.

I had three rounds of letrozole and three rounds of clomid. Both pills has gave me side effect every time I have consumed it. Eg. feeling bloated, dizzy and heaty and lethargic. There was one time that I had high fever due to it. It was quite traumatic, especially every time I went back for the blood test, they confirmed the pills worked but at the end of the day, I am still not pregnant.

I felt so lost, negative and lonely. It doesn’t help with the pressure from in law and my own mother (both doesn’t know that I went for medical help) and my friend who got married later than me, who got pregnant on the same night she got married and lamenting on wanting to enjoy couple life first and go on travels and such but now she’s pregnant and “it has changed the course of her life”.

Every month, I felt obsessed and slightly crazy. So many others on the news who gave up on their child, abuse their child, sold their child and kill their child has the rights to be pregnant and a chance to give birth to a child.
“But not me...”
These thoughts“what the F”s and “why”s that ran through every time I failed.
My emotions was all over and it’s funny how I have to even try hard to be happy and positive.

Regardless, I was determined to have at least one child (I wanted 5 when I was younger. The ironic in life. Lol).

I went on to try IUI but also without success.
The following on our second round of IUI, the second scan, I had 10 right size follicles. The doctor raise his concerns and gave me two choice: to go for IVF or drop this cycle as there is a chance of multi births.

“Drop the cycle and wait for months to get an appointment and we don’t even know if it will be successful, seriously?”, went through my mind.

So I dive right into IVF with all the signing of disclaimers, the taking of daily timely jabs and the waiting while feeling perplexed.

Result: Extracted 19 eggs, only 10 fertilised, 5 made it to blastocyst but 4 needed more observation. So I had that mighty one blastocyst for ET (feeling hopeful at that time).
After days and nights of crinone, morning folic acid, restricted diet and exercise; three days before the blood test, I started bleeding. Initially, it was just spotting. Then the night came and it was a full on.

*Explict warning*
I finished peeing and wanted to clean up. I then felt a blob coming out on to the tissue I was using and I stared at it. just casually drop it into the toilet bowl, clean myself up, flushed everything, walked to the sofa and stared into the air.
*End of explict*

“I give up.”

The following day, the embryologist called and informed me that the other 4 did not make it and hence there was no embryo to be freezed.

I know it just wasn’t meant to be. It is just not the time for me.

At present, here I am waiting for my second IVF in probably Jan 2021 and trying for TCM that a friend recommended (Feng Jia Yang @ People’s Park Complex). I just started TCM one week ago so I can’t give any concrete reviews yet but the place seems pretty popular (the crowd).

Conclusion currently: There are always ups and downs in life. Even if it doesn’t happen now, we just have to continue to love ourselves, appreciate our life and continue to try our best. Truth to be told, I felt happier and relieved that my first IVF is over. With the new knowledge I have, I think I will feel better (less tension) on my second IVF and hope for the best.

And one day if I ever have my first child, I would be more financially ready and even more appreciative of everything.

Thank you for hearing me out.
Thanks for sharing ur story, sending lots of hugs and your way.

The path to conceive be it naturally or via ivf is never easy for some of us, but we have to try to keep it positive and hang in there!
 

harriet07

Member
Hello,

I am new here.

After reading the forum and tearing at some parts of it, I want to share a bit of my journey in this.

My husband and I have been trying for a baby since we got married. After one year of trying, we decided to seek medical assistance. My husband is healthy and my womb is healthy.
The doctor suggested that I try the ovulation pills first.

I had three rounds of letrozole and three rounds of clomid. Both pills has gave me side effect every time I have consumed it. Eg. feeling bloated, dizzy and heaty and lethargic. There was one time that I had high fever due to it. It was quite traumatic, especially every time I went back for the blood test, they confirmed the pills worked but at the end of the day, I am still not pregnant.

I felt so lost, negative and lonely. It doesn’t help with the pressure from in law and my own mother (both doesn’t know that I went for medical help) and my friend who got married later than me, who got pregnant on the same night she got married and lamenting on wanting to enjoy couple life first and go on travels and such but now she’s pregnant and “it has changed the course of her life”.

Every month, I felt obsessed and slightly crazy. So many others on the news who gave up on their child, abuse their child, sold their child and kill their child has the rights to be pregnant and a chance to give birth to a child.
“But not me...”
These thoughts“what the F”s and “why”s that ran through every time I failed.
My emotions was all over and it’s funny how I have to even try hard to be happy and positive.

Regardless, I was determined to have at least one child (I wanted 5 when I was younger. The ironic in life. Lol).

I went on to try IUI but also without success.
The following on our second round of IUI, the second scan, I had 10 right size follicles. The doctor raise his concerns and gave me two choice: to go for IVF or drop this cycle as there is a chance of multi births.

“Drop the cycle and wait for months to get an appointment and we don’t even know if it will be successful, seriously?”, went through my mind.

So I dive right into IVF with all the signing of disclaimers, the taking of daily timely jabs and the waiting while feeling perplexed.

Result: Extracted 19 eggs, only 10 fertilised, 5 made it to blastocyst but 4 needed more observation. So I had that mighty one blastocyst for ET (feeling hopeful at that time).
After days and nights of crinone, morning folic acid, restricted diet and exercise; three days before the blood test, I started bleeding. Initially, it was just spotting. Then the night came and it was a full on.

*Explict warning*
I finished peeing and wanted to clean up. I then felt a blob coming out on to the tissue I was using and I stared at it. just casually drop it into the toilet bowl, clean myself up, flushed everything, walked to the sofa and stared into the air.
*End of explict*

“I give up.”

The following day, the embryologist called and informed me that the other 4 did not make it and hence there was no embryo to be freezed.

I know it just wasn’t meant to be. It is just not the time for me.

At present, here I am waiting for my second IVF in probably Jan 2021 and trying for TCM that a friend recommended (Feng Jia Yang @ People’s Park Complex). I just started TCM one week ago so I can’t give any concrete reviews yet but the place seems pretty popular (the crowd).

Conclusion currently: There are always ups and downs in life. Even if it doesn’t happen now, we just have to continue to love ourselves, appreciate our life and continue to try our best. Truth to be told, I felt happier and relieved that my first IVF is over. With the new knowledge I have, I think I will feel better (less tension) on my second IVF and hope for the best.

And one day if I ever have my first child, I would be more financially ready and even more appreciative of everything.

Thank you for hearing me out.
Yes, for some of us, the journey is a lot tougher. It is natural to be frustrated and disappointed at times (otherwise we are just unfeeling robots!). But we need to pick ourselves up, stay strong, have faith, and don't stop trying. <3
 

Maetham

New Member
Yes that's for sure. Keep trying. I just did my 2nd fresh ER ytd. My progesterone was high again. Dont think suitable for fresh transfer. Now pray hard the quality of embryo is good for freezing.
I just had my fresh ER this morning. Cannot go for fresh transfer cos progesterone is high too. Went for blood test 2 days ago, wonder why can’t they inform me then? The doctor told me will freeze the embryo when I was lying on the surgical bed! ‍♀ Anyway I don’t pin high hope on freezing.
 

iibears

Active Member
I just had my fresh ER this morning. Cannot go for fresh transfer cos progesterone is high too. Went for blood test 2 days ago, wonder why can’t they inform me then? The doctor told me will freeze the embryo when I was lying on the surgical bed! ‍ Anyway I don’t pin high hope on freezing.
Doing a frozen transfer allows ur body to rest and expel the medicine took during stimms. Dont worry and things might just turn out fine
 

Azasha

Active Member
Hello,

I am new here.

After reading the forum and tearing at some parts of it, I want to share a bit of my journey in this.

My husband and I have been trying for a baby since we got married. After one year of trying, we decided to seek medical assistance. My husband is healthy and my womb is healthy.
The doctor suggested that I try the ovulation pills first.

I had three rounds of letrozole and three rounds of clomid. Both pills has gave me side effect every time I have consumed it. Eg. feeling bloated, dizzy and heaty and lethargic. There was one time that I had high fever due to it. It was quite traumatic, especially every time I went back for the blood test, they confirmed the pills worked but at the end of the day, I am still not pregnant.

I felt so lost, negative and lonely. It doesn’t help with the pressure from in law and my own mother (both doesn’t know that I went for medical help) and my friend who got married later than me, who got pregnant on the same night she got married and lamenting on wanting to enjoy couple life first and go on travels and such but now she’s pregnant and “it has changed the course of her life”.

Every month, I felt obsessed and slightly crazy. So many others on the news who gave up on their child, abuse their child, sold their child and kill their child has the rights to be pregnant and a chance to give birth to a child.
“But not me...”
These thoughts“what the F”s and “why”s that ran through every time I failed.
My emotions was all over and it’s funny how I have to even try hard to be happy and positive.

Regardless, I was determined to have at least one child (I wanted 5 when I was younger. The ironic in life. Lol).

I went on to try IUI but also without success.
The following on our second round of IUI, the second scan, I had 10 right size follicles. The doctor raise his concerns and gave me two choice: to go for IVF or drop this cycle as there is a chance of multi births.

“Drop the cycle and wait for months to get an appointment and we don’t even know if it will be successful, seriously?”, went through my mind.

So I dive right into IVF with all the signing of disclaimers, the taking of daily timely jabs and the waiting while feeling perplexed.

Result: Extracted 19 eggs, only 10 fertilised, 5 made it to blastocyst but 4 needed more observation. So I had that mighty one blastocyst for ET (feeling hopeful at that time).
After days and nights of crinone, morning folic acid, restricted diet and exercise; three days before the blood test, I started bleeding. Initially, it was just spotting. Then the night came and it was a full on.

*Explict warning*
I finished peeing and wanted to clean up. I then felt a blob coming out on to the tissue I was using and I stared at it. just casually drop it into the toilet bowl, clean myself up, flushed everything, walked to the sofa and stared into the air.
*End of explict*

“I give up.”

The following day, the embryologist called and informed me that the other 4 did not make it and hence there was no embryo to be freezed.

I know it just wasn’t meant to be. It is just not the time for me.

At present, here I am waiting for my second IVF in probably Jan 2021 and trying for TCM that a friend recommended (Feng Jia Yang @ People’s Park Complex). I just started TCM one week ago so I can’t give any concrete reviews yet but the place seems pretty popular (the crowd).

Conclusion currently: There are always ups and downs in life. Even if it doesn’t happen now, we just have to continue to love ourselves, appreciate our life and continue to try our best. Truth to be told, I felt happier and relieved that my first IVF is over. With the new knowledge I have, I think I will feel better (less tension) on my second IVF and hope for the best.

And one day if I ever have my first child, I would be more financially ready and even more appreciative of everything.

Thank you for hearing me out.
Hey hunn, miracles do happen at the right time.. don't be dishearted.. ive gone thru 3 clomid cycle, 1 failed iui & i failed IVF, 2 miscarriages just to get that Miracle after 6 years of trying. Definitely you are not alone dear! :) Alot of the ladies here aren't giving up on getting our miracles! :)

Some people including myself will say "Why me? Why must it be me.." and start feeling extremely negative about ourselves.. why we are not capable to carry a child in our womb.. but my husband made me view it differently when he said "instead of saying "why me", why not say "why not me?" Which made me stronger not to give up dear! :) There is definitely a reason why God put some of us through obstacle before reaching our goal.. :) hang on ya!! Great things will come after a struggle..

Baby dust!!!
 
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Hey, you're not alone!!! We need both mental and physical health in this journey!

The tcm and people's park is not so well known for fertility but hey I went b4 also. A good 4- 6 months b4 I changed tcm cos it didn't work for me
Yeah, it took me a while to really really let go of the burden that I gave myself. You know, from the social norms, the pressure from family/relatives and my forced lifestyle (I’m pretty sensitive). I used to frantically look at my monthly cycle, thinking “why is it late again? Is this the time now?” and just get disappointed again and again.
I hope those going through the same will feel better that you are not alone. We can’t and shouldn’t force ourselves to get pregnant. Instead of that, we can take better care of ourselves and more money for ourselves. Haha. I have also open up to the idea of not having a child as it is not everything there is in life. My husband is quite supportive so it’s really reassuring.
This doesn’t mean I will stop trying. Just a little more effort and time on my side, and it’s a matter of one day I will have what I want. A healthy perfect baby.

Thanks for the info on the TCM. I’ll see how it goes. Since my next IVF is in Jan, I don’t want to change abruptly. I do feel that it is a bit pricey, hopefully for what it’s worth.

Cheers to all of us! :)
 
I just had my fresh ER this morning. Cannot go for fresh transfer cos progesterone is high too. Went for blood test 2 days ago, wonder why can’t they inform me then? The doctor told me will freeze the embryo when I was lying on the surgical bed! ‍♀ Anyway I don’t pin high hope on freezing.
Hi @Maetham, I was disappointed too when doc told me on D5 after ER that my progesterone was high. Doc didnt tell me earlier too. That day was hoping for fresh transfer. I was even disappointed to know there was no embryos to freeze.
However, for my 2nd fresh cycle, I was glad that my progesterone was high again.…ironically…haha. Because I felt that I was not ready for fresh transfer. My body was still recovering from ER. Tummy was still bloated and mild pain. I was more anxious to know do I have embryos to freeze for FET. I think that is more impt because hasten to transfer when my body is not ready will be wasting my precious embryo. So I'm taking 1 mth to '"reset" my body with tcm before my FET. Freeze the embryo is not a bad thing actually. Frozen embryo is as good as fresh embryo.

All the best for your FET.
 

Lilyanna

New Member
Yes that's for sure. Keep trying. I just did my 2nd fresh ER ytd. My progesterone was high again. Dont think suitable for fresh transfer. Now pray hard the quality of embryo is good for freezing.
Hi there, can I find out when did you do your progesterone blood test and what is considered high for your doctor?
 

Lilyanna

New Member
Hi, in KKH the blood test is done on trigger shot day. Acceptable level is 4.7 nmol/L. Mine was 5.8 and 5.9 for both cycles.
Thanks for sharing. Mine was 4.1 on trigger day and doctor is a bit cautious because he uses 4.0 as the upper limit. He has asked me to decide whether I want to go ahead with a fresh transfer on day 5 given the research is also quite ambiguous around what the "right" number is.
 
Thanks for sharing. Mine was 4.1 on trigger day and doctor is a bit cautious because he uses 4.0 as the upper limit. He has asked me to decide whether I want to go ahead with a fresh transfer on day 5 given the research is also quite ambiguous around what the "right" number is.
Hmm…maybe ladies who has a reading close to yours can advise.
 

Zcshop

Active Member
You might want to consider changing a TCM. I had a very bad experience with Dr Zuo at AMK and I went only twice and never ever went back again.
Hi all

Yep, I've switched to another tcm since. The experience with Dr Zou wasn't fantastic...and given that it didn't work out well for me, I've done a switch...
 

Ms Soh

Member
Hi all,
I had a chemical pregnancy in sept.. since then I have been bleeding on n off. Today I went back to my IVF doc request for a scan , everything was normal. He started me on progynova for the next transfer. I am greatful for his encouragement n assurance. He keep telling me everything will be fine this time round.
I dun know whether to transfer one or two embryos this time although he suggested 2.
Any advice ? How I can better prepare myself ? I’m taking folic acid, vit d3, sagobion, n prenatal vit.
 

Dreamscometrue

Well-Known Member
Hi all,
I had a chemical pregnancy in sept.. since then I have been bleeding on n off. Today I went back to my IVF doc request for a scan , everything was normal. He started me on progynova for the next transfer. I am greatful for his encouragement n assurance. He keep telling me everything will be fine this time round.
I dun know whether to transfer one or two embryos this time although he suggested 2.
Any advice ? How I can better prepare myself ? I’m taking folic acid, vit d3, sagobion, n prenatal vit.
Chemical means ur womb can get implanted but because maybe embryo issue so it didn't develop further.

I would still go for 1 as I dont think I can handle 2.. its really up to individuals comfort level
 

Uptheair

Active Member
Thank u for ur input. I got good grade embryos so I’m worried the same thing will happen again if it’s the embryo issues
Having good grade embryos doesn’t mean that chem pregnancy won’t occur. I had that previously too with my good grade embryos. Unfortunately, the grades are just arbitrarily determined and described by embryologists by looking at them. Are the embryos good enough to survive 9 months in the womb and life outside? Nobody knows. Mine wasn’t previously. So I guess one can only pray hard? Afterall if it is embryo issues, the embryos have been formed. There is little you can do.
Good luck!
 

Ms Soh

Member
Having good grade embryos doesn’t mean that chem pregnancy won’t occur. I had that previously too with my good grade embryos. Unfortunately, the grades are just arbitrarily determined and described by embryologists by looking at them. Are the embryos good enough to survive 9 months in the womb and life outside? Nobody knows. Mine wasn’t previously. So I guess one can only pray hard? Afterall if it is embryo issues, the embryos have been formed. There is little you can do.
Good luck!
Thank u. Will pray hard..
 
I agreed. Thank u for ur encouragement.. my doc mentioned it happen to 20% of all pregnant women be it IVF or natural.
I had read articles on some studies saying chemical pregnancy or early pregnancy loss is a positive predictor of next ivf success. This is compared to women who have bfn after ET. So dont lose hope!
 
Jiayou and don’t lose hope! Hugs. Believe in yourself and that everything will turn out for the best in the right timing :)

Hello,

I am new here.

After reading the forum and tearing at some parts of it, I want to share a bit of my journey in this.

My husband and I have been trying for a baby since we got married. After one year of trying, we decided to seek medical assistance. My husband is healthy and my womb is healthy.
The doctor suggested that I try the ovulation pills first.

I had three rounds of letrozole and three rounds of clomid. Both pills has gave me side effect every time I have consumed it. Eg. feeling bloated, dizzy and heaty and lethargic. There was one time that I had high fever due to it. It was quite traumatic, especially every time I went back for the blood test, they confirmed the pills worked but at the end of the day, I am still not pregnant.

I felt so lost, negative and lonely. It doesn’t help with the pressure from in law and my own mother (both doesn’t know that I went for medical help) and my friend who got married later than me, who got pregnant on the same night she got married and lamenting on wanting to enjoy couple life first and go on travels and such but now she’s pregnant and “it has changed the course of her life”.

Every month, I felt obsessed and slightly crazy. So many others on the news who gave up on their child, abuse their child, sold their child and kill their child has the rights to be pregnant and a chance to give birth to a child.
“But not me...”
These thoughts“what the F”s and “why”s that ran through every time I failed.
My emotions was all over and it’s funny how I have to even try hard to be happy and positive.

Regardless, I was determined to have at least one child (I wanted 5 when I was younger. The ironic in life. Lol).

I went on to try IUI but also without success.
The following on our second round of IUI, the second scan, I had 10 right size follicles. The doctor raise his concerns and gave me two choice: to go for IVF or drop this cycle as there is a chance of multi births.

“Drop the cycle and wait for months to get an appointment and we don’t even know if it will be successful, seriously?”, went through my mind.

So I dive right into IVF with all the signing of disclaimers, the taking of daily timely jabs and the waiting while feeling perplexed.

Result: Extracted 19 eggs, only 10 fertilised, 5 made it to blastocyst but 4 needed more observation. So I had that mighty one blastocyst for ET (feeling hopeful at that time).
After days and nights of crinone, morning folic acid, restricted diet and exercise; three days before the blood test, I started bleeding. Initially, it was just spotting. Then the night came and it was a full on.

*Explict warning*
I finished peeing and wanted to clean up. I then felt a blob coming out on to the tissue I was using and I stared at it. just casually drop it into the toilet bowl, clean myself up, flushed everything, walked to the sofa and stared into the air.
*End of explict*

“I give up.”

The following day, the embryologist called and informed me that the other 4 did not make it and hence there was no embryo to be freezed.

I know it just wasn’t meant to be. It is just not the time for me.

At present, here I am waiting for my second IVF in probably Jan 2021 and trying for TCM that a friend recommended (Feng Jia Yang @ People’s Park Complex). I just started TCM one week ago so I can’t give any concrete reviews yet but the place seems pretty popular (the crowd).

Conclusion currently: There are always ups and downs in life. Even if it doesn’t happen now, we just have to continue to love ourselves, appreciate our life and continue to try our best. Truth to be told, I felt happier and relieved that my first IVF is over. With the new knowledge I have, I think I will feel better (less tension) on my second IVF and hope for the best.

And one day if I ever have my first child, I would be more financially ready and even more appreciative of everything.

Thank you for hearing me out.
 

Carli

New Member
Google and read up how to prepare yourself for IVF as there are alot of things to be done.

I failed my 1st and had to wait for 2 months for the 2nd. Meanwhile while waiting, I did yoga at home, accupunture, accupressure, also did self massage on tummy and on accupressure points, start eating the right food etc. Its was so fulfilling and I feel so ready when my 2nd IVF started.

These little things make up a small percentage increase in chance of success which is what is all IVF patients are looking for, SMALL but yet so importantly precious increment in success, althought might not be guaranteed.

The morale for me is at least if you try hard and did not succeed, at least you know you have tried. Better than going for IVF totally unprepared and leaving things to chances only. It's alot of time, money and effort, and emotionally and mentally draining for each ivf procedure.

Good luck to everyone!
 
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Dreamscometrue

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Google and read up how to prepare yourself for IVF as there are alot of things to be done.

I failed my 1st and had to wait for 2 months for the 2nd. Meanwhile while waiting, I did yoga at home, accupunture, accupressure, also did self message on tummy and on accupressure points, start eating the right food etc. Its was so fulfilling and I feel so ready when my 2nd IVF started.

These little things make up a small percentage increase in chance of success which is what is all IVF patients are looking for, SMALL but yet so importantly precious increment in success, althought might not be guaranteed.

The morale for me is at least if you try hard and did not succeed, at least you know you have tried. Better than going for IVF totally unprepared and leaving things to chances only. It's alot of time, money and effort, and emotionally and mentally draining for each ivf procedure.

Good luck to everyone!
Have u succeeded already?
 

Carli

New Member
Have u succeeded already?
Fortunately I did on this 2nd try. But there still alot of things to worry about, maybe because we are IVF patient and tend to be extra careful. I feel that if it's going to be so hard for the embryo to implant and grow, it's also not going to be easy to keep it growing.

But we just need to keep an open mind and still continue to stay healthy. I only wear those thick socks when I sleep. On a usual basis, wear long pjyamas at home and also bedroom slipper.
 
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Dreamscometrue

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Fortunately I did on this 2nd try. But there still alot of things to worry about, maybe because we are IVF patient and tend to be extra careful. I feel that if it's going to be so hard for the embryo to implant and grow, it's also not going to be easy to keep it growing.

But we just need to keep an open mind and still continue to stay healthy. I only wear those thick socks when I sleep. On a usual basis, wear long pjyamas at home and also bedroom slipper.
Congrats! Which tcm acupuncture u went to
 

Raksha AR

Member
Google and read up how to prepare yourself for IVF as there are alot of things to be done.

I failed my 1st and had to wait for 2 months for the 2nd. Meanwhile while waiting, I did yoga at home, accupunture, accupressure, also did self massage on tummy and on accupressure points, start eating the right food etc. Its was so fulfilling and I feel so ready when my 2nd IVF started.

These little things make up a small percentage increase in chance of success which is what is all IVF patients are looking for, SMALL but yet so importantly precious increment in success, althought might not be guaranteed.

The morale for me is at least if you try hard and did not succeed, at least you know you have tried. Better than going for IVF totally unprepared and leaving things to chances only. It's alot of time, money and effort, and emotionally and mentally draining for each ivf procedure.

Good luck to everyone!
Congratulations!!! All the best to you babe!

Do you mind sharing your action plan. its give me some hope to prepare for my next cycle.
Where did you do the acupuncture as well? thank you.
 

Carli

New Member
Thank you Dreamscometrue and Raksha.

Honestly, I would'nt recommend my TMC because it's expensive and alot of bad reviews. I only go for the fact that it's near my place and it's better to do something than nothing at all.

For 2nd IVF the change in medication also helps I guess. From puregon (1st IVF) to Gonal F + menpour.

For me some of the important points in ivf are as follows (at least try to do this during start of stimulation to confirmation of pregnancy) :
Drink lots of water especially after ER.
Stop coffee, cold drinks or anything that is harmful.
Wear socks and slippers.
10 mins daily yoga at home, youtube has loads of videos on these.
Eat food that are beneficial for conceiving, go google and try eating a bit of everything and rotate it. I do not believe in spamming on one type of food only, like eating many eggs a day. Avocada is good though but do try a variety.
Of course healthy Daily breakfast.
I also stopped using perfume (during ET procedure no perfume allowed) and only use basic moisturer and make up as they all contain chemical. Use paraben free baby body wash which is advised by my nurse during ER. These get all absorbed into your body!

For ER I rested 2 full day and ET 3 full days. After that don't worry too much and proceed with life as usual and positively. Don't overthink esp during tww. Think so much also have to wait

You would need more rest when you are pregnant and you will refuse alot of healthy food due to food aversion. So try to indulge in those healthy food while trying to get pregnant and taking more rest than needed is not really necessary.
 
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Raksha AR

Member
Thank you Dreamscometrue and Raksha.

Honestly, I would'nt recommend my TMC because it's expensive and alot of bad reviews. I only go for the fact that it's near my place and it's better to do something than nothing at all.

For 2nd IVF the change in medication also helps I guess. From puregon (1st IVF) to Gonal F + menpour.

For me some of the important points in ivf are as follows (at least try to do this during start of stimulation to confirmation of pregnancy) :
Drink lots of water especially after ER.
Stop coffee, cold drinks or anything that is harmful.
Wear socks and slippers.
10 mins daily yoga at home, youtube has loads of videos on these.
Eat food that are beneficial for conceiving, go google and try eating a bit of everything and rotate it. I do not believe in spamming on one type of food only, like eating many eggs a day. Avocada is good though but do try a variety.
Of course healthy Daily breakfast.
I also stopped using perfume (during ET procedure no perfume allowed) and only use basic moisturer and make up as they all contain chemical. Use paraben free baby body wash which is advised by my nurse during ER. These get all absorbed into your body!

For ER I rested 2 full day and ET 3 full days. After that don't worry too much and proceed with life as usual and positively. Don't overthink esp during tww. Think so much also have to wait

You would need more rest when you are pregnant and you will refuse alot of healthy food due to food aversion. So try to indulge in those healthy food while trying to get pregnant and taking more rest than needed is not really necessary.
Thank you for the detailed info & tips Appreciate it very much!
 

Raksha AR

Member
Thank you Dreamscometrue and Raksha.

Honestly, I would'nt recommend my TMC because it's expensive and alot of bad reviews. I only go for the fact that it's near my place and it's better to do something than nothing at all.

For 2nd IVF the change in medication also helps I guess. From puregon (1st IVF) to Gonal F + menpour.

For me some of the important points in ivf are as follows (at least try to do this during start of stimulation to confirmation of pregnancy) :
Drink lots of water especially after ER.
Stop coffee, cold drinks or anything that is harmful.
Wear socks and slippers.
10 mins daily yoga at home, youtube has loads of videos on these.
Eat food that are beneficial for conceiving, go google and try eating a bit of everything and rotate it. I do not believe in spamming on one type of food only, like eating many eggs a day. Avocada is good though but do try a variety.
Of course healthy Daily breakfast.
I also stopped using perfume (during ET procedure no perfume allowed) and only use basic moisturer and make up as they all contain chemical. Use paraben free baby body wash which is advised by my nurse during ER. These get all absorbed into your body!

For ER I rested 2 full day and ET 3 full days. After that don't worry too much and proceed with life as usual and positively. Don't overthink esp during tww. Think so much also have to wait

You would need more rest when you are pregnant and you will refuse alot of healthy food due to food aversion. So try to indulge in those healthy food while trying to get pregnant and taking more rest than needed is not really necessary.
Hi dear one more question..were you given puregon & menpour for the 1st round. I was given the same too. the nurse said that I would be given the same for my 2nd round..I find it odd that they continue with the same med. When I asked about Gonal F she said its the same. so confused now
 

Uptheair

Active Member
Hi dear one more question..were you given puregon & menpour for the 1st round. I was given the same too. the nurse said that I would be given the same for my 2nd round..I find it odd that they continue with the same med. When I asked about Gonal F she said its the same. so confused now
The nurse is not wrong because both are follicle stimulating hormones, just that gonal f is an alpha and puregon is a beta version. Studies have shown conflicting results in stimulation and pregnancy rates due to the different chemical pathways they act on the body (you can google and read the scientific articles online) so I guess it is up to your doctor on whether he believes that there is a difference in them or not.
 

mewtwo

New Member
Hi all, we are new here and looking for some support.
Do you guys know the waiting time for doing IVF at NUH?

We had two counseling sessions with prof Stephen Chew, got the blood test, semen analysis, HCG test all done.
We are waiting for an email reply from CHR nurses, but we are told that the IVF schedule is extremely full at the moment and we may need to wait until Feb 2021. The more we need to wait, the more depression I will have because I know that I have problems with impatience. :(

If we switch to a private clinic, do you guys have any recommendations? Will the waiting time be shorter?
FYI, we are both foreigners and already desperate enough to pay for the high cost of doing IVF here.
 

Dreamscometrue

Well-Known Member
Hi all, we are new here and looking for some support.
Do you guys know the waiting time for doing IVF at NUH?

We had two counseling sessions with prof Stephen Chew, got the blood test, semen analysis, HCG test all done.
We are waiting for an email reply from CHR nurses, but we are told that the IVF schedule is extremely full at the moment and we may need to wait until Feb 2021. The more we need to wait, the more depression I will have because I know that I have problems with impatience. :(

If we switch to a private clinic, do you guys have any recommendations? Will the waiting time be shorter?
FYI, we are both foreigners and already desperate enough to pay for the high cost of doing IVF here.
Hi just my 2 cents worth. If you are not entitled to any govt grant or use of cpf, might as well go pte as the cost likely won't be much diff
Some popular pte fertility doctors are Ann Tan, Roland Chief, SF loh, Tan HH Still have some which I cannot rem off hand
 

risther

Active Member
Hi for KKH fresh cycle, can I ask if anyone were prescribed crinone gel at first for 3 days after ER but in the end no ET is performed? My previous scans show I likely might have a polyp but doc did not confirm with me after ER cos she she say she will check on the lining during ER. I thought if got polyp cannot transfer at all then what’s the purpose for giving me crinone in the first place?
 
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