sherise123
New Member
hi joining this chat! i am in the midst of my first ivf journey. it doesnt look promising but keeping fingers crossed. im 42.
IVF 40ish support group
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GoodluckBB
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Hi Sherise123!
Stay positive. Don't care what science tells you cos there is a God out there that is greater than science. Miracles do happen. Just keep believing!
Stay positive. Don't care what science tells you cos there is a God out there that is greater than science. Miracles do happen. Just keep believing!
ineedmiracle
Active Member
Hi Sherise123,
Don't give up! Some of us just not that lucky to strike the 1st time. But have faith and it will be our turn soon. We just need to collect more baby dust!
Jiayou ladies! All the best!
Don't give up! Some of us just not that lucky to strike the 1st time. But have faith and it will be our turn soon. We just need to collect more baby dust!
Jiayou ladies! All the best!
sherise123
New Member
I will be going for another scan on friday to find out if I have to abort or not. I'm around 8 weeks now and there is just a mass of cells. no heart beat.
Doc was sharing some stats ivf success rate for us is 10-20%.
So far my hospital bill for 1 subsized cycle was 5000+, i wonder if the other ladies in the chat bothered to calculate as a distraction while waiting?
Doc was sharing some stats ivf success rate for us is 10-20%.
So far my hospital bill for 1 subsized cycle was 5000+, i wonder if the other ladies in the chat bothered to calculate as a distraction while waiting?
Thanks for the reply ineedmiracle! Unfortunately, the 3 embryos that survived till blastocyst were not suitable for transfer after pgt. Doctor recommended that I try another cycle but was told to wait for 2 months first because he prescribed medication for my husband to up his testosterone levels.
ineedmiracle
Active Member
Hi Kayla,
Sorry to hear that. But IVF is full of ups and downs. Everytime I feel hopeful, it gives me the opposite. Maybe that is why we need to be zen
Jiayou! The next cycle will be a good one.
Sorry to hear that. But IVF is full of ups and downs. Everytime I feel hopeful, it gives me the opposite. Maybe that is why we need to be zen
Jiayou! The next cycle will be a good one.
GoodluckBB
Member
Hi Kayla,
Cheer up and be positive.
You can do this if you rest well and harness all that energy for the next round.
Also, miracles can happen! Some people get pregnant in between of IVF cycles when their body is resting. Just never ever give up... we all deserve to be mothers!
Cheer up and be positive.
You can do this if you rest well and harness all that energy for the next round.
Also, miracles can happen! Some people get pregnant in between of IVF cycles when their body is resting. Just never ever give up... we all deserve to be mothers!
Thank you.. Trying not to think too much about it. Maybe a 2-month break is good for us. Jiayou everyone!
Hi GoodluckBB,Hi Kayla,
Cheer up and be positive.
You can do this if you rest well and harness all that energy for the next round.
Also, miracles can happen! Some people get pregnant in between of IVF cycles when their body is resting. Just never ever give up... we all deserve to be mothers!
Thank you.. yup, I’ll try my best to be more ready for the next cycle!
My husband has been taking Profertil, not sure if anyone has any other recommendations?
Hi everyone,
I’m new to this group. I have been ttc for 2 years plus before started seeing Prof Wong from NUH in June 2021. Started seeing tcm practitioner in April 2022. Unexplained infertility. Seems like it’s my age. I’m turning 40 next month. Been through 4 rounds of clomid, 3 rounds of IUI. And just failed my first IVF. I didn’t have any embryo frozen down. So need to start a fresh cycle in 2 months time (hopefully). Anyone one under NUH and had success? I have only 2 more chances for co-funded IVF. Not sure whether I should switch doctor? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks all
I’m new to this group. I have been ttc for 2 years plus before started seeing Prof Wong from NUH in June 2021. Started seeing tcm practitioner in April 2022. Unexplained infertility. Seems like it’s my age. I’m turning 40 next month. Been through 4 rounds of clomid, 3 rounds of IUI. And just failed my first IVF. I didn’t have any embryo frozen down. So need to start a fresh cycle in 2 months time (hopefully). Anyone one under NUH and had success? I have only 2 more chances for co-funded IVF. Not sure whether I should switch doctor? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks all
GoodluckBB
Member
Hi Hoonie,
The first IVF sometimes is like a test cycle for the lab and your doc. Next cycle, meds will prob increase for u. So it shd get better. My first cycle had nothing to freeze too. I started looking for another doc. I was panicking. I'm not gonna lie, I was devastated and cried like a baby. But I only gave myself 1 day to cry it out. In the end, I remained with the same doc for 2nd cycle. There wasn't enough time to switch for me. But 2nd cycle was better... not a lot to freeze but got a few.
In the lab, embryologist will use your previous cycle videos to guide their understanding of your embryo development in next cycle. That's what my embryologist shared with me.
If u switch doc... then it becomes 1st cycle again with a new doc. But u can also share your med records with the new doc and let the new doc decide the meds for u. But if u switch to private, u lose co-fund. If losing co-fund is still affordable for u... then u don't even need consider this factor.
Rest first, take the 2 mths and research on doctors. Either way 2 mths gives u time to prep your body, means eating better to build up... it gives time for your body to rest. It also gives time for u to research, maybe squeeze in a second opinion from another doc first before officially switching. Use the 2 mths wisely... just remember 1 failure doesn't mean you're doomed. Failures bring you towards success. Don't dwell on it and move on. You are stronger than you think.
The first IVF sometimes is like a test cycle for the lab and your doc. Next cycle, meds will prob increase for u. So it shd get better. My first cycle had nothing to freeze too. I started looking for another doc. I was panicking. I'm not gonna lie, I was devastated and cried like a baby. But I only gave myself 1 day to cry it out. In the end, I remained with the same doc for 2nd cycle. There wasn't enough time to switch for me. But 2nd cycle was better... not a lot to freeze but got a few.
In the lab, embryologist will use your previous cycle videos to guide their understanding of your embryo development in next cycle. That's what my embryologist shared with me.
If u switch doc... then it becomes 1st cycle again with a new doc. But u can also share your med records with the new doc and let the new doc decide the meds for u. But if u switch to private, u lose co-fund. If losing co-fund is still affordable for u... then u don't even need consider this factor.
Rest first, take the 2 mths and research on doctors. Either way 2 mths gives u time to prep your body, means eating better to build up... it gives time for your body to rest. It also gives time for u to research, maybe squeeze in a second opinion from another doc first before officially switching. Use the 2 mths wisely... just remember 1 failure doesn't mean you're doomed. Failures bring you towards success. Don't dwell on it and move on. You are stronger than you think.
Hi GoodluckBB,
Thanks so much for your advice. You are right. I think I'm panicking too much. I am too devastated by the negative pregnancy test. There is so much going on in my head and I am not thinking straight. The main reason why we chose NUH is for convenience as we both work near there. We didn’t want to stress ourselves over work arrangement and explaining to people why we are always on leave. We didn’t want to waste our MCs and leave as we understand that fertility treatment is not a once off thing. I guess I will stick to Prof Wong and see what we can get the next cycle. We prefer to exhaust our co-fund before switching to private.
Do you think seeking TCM treatment at the same time is advisable? My TCM practitioner was worried that I will suffer from OHSS and was administering drugs and acupuncture to control the number of follicles released. In the end we only had 5 oocytes retrieved and only 3 matured, and only 1 fertilized. So we are thinking of pausing our TCM treatment for the next fresh cycle.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
GoodluckBB
Member
Hi Hoonie... I don't know abt TCM. I did not do at all. But I wanna start TCM acupunctures and herbs after CNY to boost my overall health.
Some articles say do TCM along with it...do 3 mths then do IVF. I didn't do it though... cos of money. We are not co-funded.
Cos I am not co-funded, my advise is finish up your co-funded rounds. That co-funding itself is already a blessing!
Give yourself a break... go on a holiday, u might concieve then. Since ur case is unexplained fertility means you can conceive one.. your Dr can't even pinpoint it to any particular factor, right? No female factors or male factors? If no, then just stay positive. For me, we have factors of which Dr told us.
Just stay positive and don't think anymore. Cry, cry...get it out your system, then pick yourself up again! An IVF warrior doesn't give up!
Some articles say do TCM along with it...do 3 mths then do IVF. I didn't do it though... cos of money. We are not co-funded.
Cos I am not co-funded, my advise is finish up your co-funded rounds. That co-funding itself is already a blessing!
Give yourself a break... go on a holiday, u might concieve then. Since ur case is unexplained fertility means you can conceive one.. your Dr can't even pinpoint it to any particular factor, right? No female factors or male factors? If no, then just stay positive. For me, we have factors of which Dr told us.
Just stay positive and don't think anymore. Cry, cry...get it out your system, then pick yourself up again! An IVF warrior doesn't give up!
GoodluckBB
Member
Hi Hoonie,
Just a thought... trying to analyse for you.
In your clomid cycles and IUI cycles ... how many follicles were there compared to your last IVF cycle?
That will give u a clue if TCM really caused an issue or not.
If you had more follicles (meaning potential oocytes) during clomid/IUI cycles and you had not done TCM during those... then u can deduce that TCM may have affected your IVF cycle.
If all along u been doing TCM for all cycles and follicles always similar count then 2 possibilities.. maybe TCM not suit you, or really need work on general health (physical, emotional and mental health)(apparently stress also affects fertility).Then to come to conclusion stop TCM and only use western drugs. See if results better. If yes, then u know TCM confirm was the culprit for you?
Does it make sense? After all IVF cycles are like science experiments... so you slowly analyse and see what u can do for the next.
Just a thought... trying to analyse for you.
In your clomid cycles and IUI cycles ... how many follicles were there compared to your last IVF cycle?
That will give u a clue if TCM really caused an issue or not.
If you had more follicles (meaning potential oocytes) during clomid/IUI cycles and you had not done TCM during those... then u can deduce that TCM may have affected your IVF cycle.
If all along u been doing TCM for all cycles and follicles always similar count then 2 possibilities.. maybe TCM not suit you, or really need work on general health (physical, emotional and mental health)(apparently stress also affects fertility).Then to come to conclusion stop TCM and only use western drugs. See if results better. If yes, then u know TCM confirm was the culprit for you?
Does it make sense? After all IVF cycles are like science experiments... so you slowly analyse and see what u can do for the next.
Hi GoodluckBB,
I had 1-2 follicles when on clomid for 4 cycles (but all failed). And I developed a cyst before I could start my first IUI. So I started TCM treatment to help resolve my cyst since Prof Wong’s solution was to wait and let the cyst resolve on its own. We tried to conceive naturally for a couple of months as we were worried the cyst was a side effect of clomid. My TCM practitioner uses my temperature to determine my ovulation day. And because its not working, we went on to start IUI. I did a scan without clomid and there was no follicle. And Prof put me on clomid again. I had 1-3 follicles for 3 rounds of IUI. All this while, I was on herbal medicines and acupuncture. After my oocyte retrival, my TCM practitioner stopped my herbal medicines and only administer acupuncture, I started TCM medicines after my embryo transfer.
I agree that IVF is like a science experiment. That’s why I’m contemplating whether to pause TCM treatment for 1 cycle. But at the same time, I’m also worried about not maximizing my chances. In a dilemma right now.
I had 1-2 follicles when on clomid for 4 cycles (but all failed). And I developed a cyst before I could start my first IUI. So I started TCM treatment to help resolve my cyst since Prof Wong’s solution was to wait and let the cyst resolve on its own. We tried to conceive naturally for a couple of months as we were worried the cyst was a side effect of clomid. My TCM practitioner uses my temperature to determine my ovulation day. And because its not working, we went on to start IUI. I did a scan without clomid and there was no follicle. And Prof put me on clomid again. I had 1-3 follicles for 3 rounds of IUI. All this while, I was on herbal medicines and acupuncture. After my oocyte retrival, my TCM practitioner stopped my herbal medicines and only administer acupuncture, I started TCM medicines after my embryo transfer.
I agree that IVF is like a science experiment. That’s why I’m contemplating whether to pause TCM treatment for 1 cycle. But at the same time, I’m also worried about not maximizing my chances. In a dilemma right now.
GoodluckBB
Member
Hey Hoonie,
I can understand the stress u feel now.
From what u describe may be worth trying a round with no TCM ... and see the results. If the results are better, then TCM was probably interfering with western meds for your previous cycles. I am also sure your Dr will put u on slightly higher dosage for the next cycle. If exact same protocol, u can also ask your Dr why not give u higher dosage or change the brand/type of follicle stimulating drug.
After the 2nd IVF cycle, u will have clarity. Don't stress and think too much now.
I can understand the stress u feel now.
From what u describe may be worth trying a round with no TCM ... and see the results. If the results are better, then TCM was probably interfering with western meds for your previous cycles. I am also sure your Dr will put u on slightly higher dosage for the next cycle. If exact same protocol, u can also ask your Dr why not give u higher dosage or change the brand/type of follicle stimulating drug.
After the 2nd IVF cycle, u will have clarity. Don't stress and think too much now.
countyourblessing
New Member
Hi Hoonie,
I did my IUI and IVF in NUH too. with 8 failed IUI and 1 failed IVF. Did my 2nd IVF last yr and im now 4mths pregnant to date. Dont give up ya! I was a subsidize patient at NUH and was lead to Doc Sakinah and Doc Zhong Wei at CHR clinic.. both were very supportive doctor, motivate me not to give up. After the 1st failed IVF, i stop and rest for almost a year and start again for my 2nd.
My cousin who is as the same age as me (40yr tis yr), after 19yrs of waiting did her 4th ivf at KKH. Shes now 7mths pregnant.
Dont give up ok, try to relax and go with the flow this time.
d(^.^)b
GoodluckBB
Member
Hi Countyourblessings,
Thanks so much for sharing here. Your account is inspiring me too.
To all our ladies on this journey this year. Let's all support each other to stay positive.
Some affirmations to start.
We all deserve to be mothers.
We are working hard on our journeys.
We will go at it till we succeed.
We will all be blessed with children.
Thanks so much for sharing here. Your account is inspiring me too.
To all our ladies on this journey this year. Let's all support each other to stay positive.
Some affirmations to start.
We all deserve to be mothers.
We are working hard on our journeys.
We will go at it till we succeed.
We will all be blessed with children.
Hi countingyourblessings and GoodluckBB,
Thanks so much for your kind words and encouragement. I discussed with my hubby last night, and we decided to stop TCM treatment and acupuncture for now. We will see Prof in Feb and we plan to proceed with our second IVF under NUH (provided no hiccups). We feel that we are already familiar with the procedures and environment there. Plus we both work near there. We feel this arrangement will be the least stressful and least disruptive to our daily lives. We are also planning to get a second opinion from Dr Tan Heng Hao from Alpha in the meantime. I read good reviews about him.
Thanks so much for your kind words and encouragement. I discussed with my hubby last night, and we decided to stop TCM treatment and acupuncture for now. We will see Prof in Feb and we plan to proceed with our second IVF under NUH (provided no hiccups). We feel that we are already familiar with the procedures and environment there. Plus we both work near there. We feel this arrangement will be the least stressful and least disruptive to our daily lives. We are also planning to get a second opinion from Dr Tan Heng Hao from Alpha in the meantime. I read good reviews about him.
GoodluckBB
Member
Awesome, Hoonie!
That sounds like a great plan.
You sound more calm and collected too.
I'm happy for you
Next one, Jia you!
That sounds like a great plan.
You sound more calm and collected too.
I'm happy for you
Next one, Jia you!
countyourblessing
New Member
Hi Hoonie,
Be patience and dont stress it about it too much. Im sure everything will come in placed at the correct time. Whenever we fail in doing things, im sure god has a better plan for us. Heads up! Think positive, move on and please dont give up.
Hope to hear your good news in future.
deardarling
New Member
After failed 1st FET, i went for TCM, included acupunture and chinese powder medicine for about 2 - 3 months. I also recorded my body temp every morning. Anyway, still failed in 2nd FET. I dropped TCM since i am financially tight. No doubt the acupunture can help in tiao my body, as i felt i can sleep better at night after acupunture. I just stick to western medicine for my following transfers.
sherise123
New Member
is anyone at KKH? would like to pm you to share how our experiences are like
I'm 42, just did my first IVF but failed. now going to abort and start afresh after 1 cycle of menses. would like to share on how our experiences are, who your doc was,
I probably am more lax than the average person here as I only took a multivitamin and folic acid- I am wondering now if I am missing out on anything? and I also drank coffee as well as I couldnt work without it. i also exercised, as it helps my body in general and I couldnt live without it.
I'm 42, just did my first IVF but failed. now going to abort and start afresh after 1 cycle of menses. would like to share on how our experiences are, who your doc was,
I probably am more lax than the average person here as I only took a multivitamin and folic acid- I am wondering now if I am missing out on anything? and I also drank coffee as well as I couldnt work without it. i also exercised, as it helps my body in general and I couldnt live without it.
sherise123
New Member
i would like to thank @GoodluckBB and many others on this forum, for responding to all our forum posts!
GoodluckBB
Member
Hi Sherise,
I'm sorry to hear the news. Allow yourself to cry but quickly pick yourself up again, okay?
I'm not with KKH, but I hope some who are will respond to you quickly so you have answers.
For supplements, I took a lot.... CoQ10 I feel is important. Vit E, D3, B12, C and Folic Acid. I added fish oils too.
I haven't had coffee since 2021. I miss it, stole a sip once or twice from my hubby. But never had a full/half cup till today. I've stopped tea also... sadly, I drink water with my breakfast sometimes. Some days I drink milk.
I used to exercise (swim/run) a lot and ran marathons even. But since 2020, I stopped exercising.
I hope useful info on KKH comes to you soon. Take care for now.
I'm sorry to hear the news. Allow yourself to cry but quickly pick yourself up again, okay?
I'm not with KKH, but I hope some who are will respond to you quickly so you have answers.
For supplements, I took a lot.... CoQ10 I feel is important. Vit E, D3, B12, C and Folic Acid. I added fish oils too.
I haven't had coffee since 2021. I miss it, stole a sip once or twice from my hubby. But never had a full/half cup till today. I've stopped tea also... sadly, I drink water with my breakfast sometimes. Some days I drink milk.
I used to exercise (swim/run) a lot and ran marathons even. But since 2020, I stopped exercising.
I hope useful info on KKH comes to you soon. Take care for now.
towkayneo
Well-Known Member
Hello...I was from KKH from beginning to end. I am also a very lax person, no TCM, no multivitamins and I drink bubble tea from beginning to end even during TWW.
My doctor was Tan Heng Hao before he left for Alpha, then I went to Jessie Phoon (too bad, no chemistry) and finally Liu Shu Ling who wrapped up my whole IVF journey.
You can ask your Q here and I see if I can clarify your doubts.
sherise123
New Member
did anyone do prenatal screening of the embryo prior to implantation? I was told by my doc I cannot do it for the frozen embryos, but i wonder if its true.
there is subsidy: https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/new-co-funding-scheme-and-extension-of-medisave-coverage-to-support-eligible-couples-in-their-parenthood-journey
there is subsidy: https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/new-co-funding-scheme-and-extension-of-medisave-coverage-to-support-eligible-couples-in-their-parenthood-journey
lady081980
Active Member
Yes can’t do on frozen embryo
Can only do on fresh cycle
towkayneo
Well-Known Member
If you are referring to PGS/PGD before implantation, I did send over my 2 frozen embryos to TMC (JB) for PGS/PGD from KKH. Back then I wanted to know the gender before going ahead with the transfer. Turns out that both frozen embryos were not viable for transfer but I got to know the gender.
GoodluckBB
Member
Hi towkayneo,
I didnt know we can. How did you request it? How much was it? Do u bring it over yourself?
I didnt know we can. How did you request it? How much was it? Do u bring it over yourself?
towkayneo
Well-Known Member
I liaised with TMC JB and they asked to email to KKH to release my 2 frozen embryo while at the same time, TMC JB applied for permit with the malaysia customs to allow the 2 frozen embryos to come into JB.
On the day of collection, somebody from TMC JB went over to KKH to collect the 2 frozen embryo back to their clinic.
All in all, about RM12K, but that was in 2019.
GoodluckBB
Member
Oh thanks so much for the details.