IVF/ICSI Support Group
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Ching, just called up KKIVF and the nurse told me to inform them of my Feb menses. Aiya... I should have booked for Jan instead. Maybe still can get dragon baby... Sorry, can't be your cycle buddy. All the best!
Sashamama, gosh... the mucus from my nose came back this morning but gone by late morning. But the cough still exist. Cough...cough... please go away. Don't like to feel sick.
Sashamama, gosh... the mucus from my nose came back this morning but gone by late morning. But the cough still exist. Cough...cough... please go away. Don't like to feel sick.
saggiegirl
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Babysmurf> thanks for the info... will check again and consult hubby on this.
Was thinking of either gg to Raffles or KKH. But I know Raffles very expensive
But if i arranged with KKIVF, then how? they will not put me before the Q right?.....
Haiz
emo again...
Was thinking of either gg to Raffles or KKH. But I know Raffles very expensive
But if i arranged with KKIVF, then how? they will not put me before the Q right?.....
Haiz
loveangel28
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Hi Saggiegirl,
My gynae's Dr Khoo Chong Kiat too before I embarked on the IVF journey. Dr Khoo advised me in Nov/Dec 2010 to go for IVF cuz DH's motility is low, plus my various issues. Each time I see him, he kept reminding me about IVF. But I procrastinated till Nov 2011 then start on IVF. I did wished I had started earlier so my chances would have been higher with the younger age factor + before whatever other crap condition recur again.
I guessed you have taken the clomid path already right? So if it's still not working, then go for this. Or the IVF doc may suggest IUI before IVF? Anyhow, there are more tests to be done when you embarked on this journey and it is through these tests that one may discover some "undesirable" factors which may have affected the TTC chances. I discovered about my super low ovarian reserve only after I decided on IVF.
Unless you kena OHSS, else the whole process is quite a breeze. Well, at least it was for me. I kinda like those injections actually ... lol ... and like what the other ladies mentioned, the most painful part is being BFN ....
Why don't you ask Dr Khoo to recommend the IVF doc to you? He gave a choice between Dr Loh & another doctor, and told me the pro/con of them (in a way) .... But he very strongly recommended and referred me to Dr Loh then.
So try asking him ..... I didn't get a chance to see him after my last failed IVF attempt ... otherwise I would have asked him too ....
My gynae's Dr Khoo Chong Kiat too before I embarked on the IVF journey. Dr Khoo advised me in Nov/Dec 2010 to go for IVF cuz DH's motility is low, plus my various issues. Each time I see him, he kept reminding me about IVF. But I procrastinated till Nov 2011 then start on IVF. I did wished I had started earlier so my chances would have been higher with the younger age factor + before whatever other crap condition recur again.
I guessed you have taken the clomid path already right? So if it's still not working, then go for this. Or the IVF doc may suggest IUI before IVF? Anyhow, there are more tests to be done when you embarked on this journey and it is through these tests that one may discover some "undesirable" factors which may have affected the TTC chances. I discovered about my super low ovarian reserve only after I decided on IVF.
Unless you kena OHSS, else the whole process is quite a breeze. Well, at least it was for me. I kinda like those injections actually ... lol ... and like what the other ladies mentioned, the most painful part is being BFN ....
Why don't you ask Dr Khoo to recommend the IVF doc to you? He gave a choice between Dr Loh & another doctor, and told me the pro/con of them (in a way) .... But he very strongly recommended and referred me to Dr Loh then.
So try asking him ..... I didn't get a chance to see him after my last failed IVF attempt ... otherwise I would have asked him too ....
psp, SO-IUI is a procedure where two to three ovarian follicles (eggs) are stimulated and brought to maturation and ovulation in which the prepared sperm is placed directly into the uterus.
Whereas for IVF, it involves putting the eggs and sperms together then transfer into the uterus after fertilisation.
Whereas for IVF, it involves putting the eggs and sperms together then transfer into the uterus after fertilisation.
Saggie,
33 is not considered old. Some ladies here are over 35 already. If you wanna go for it, go for it as early as possible to have better success rates. I am 32 last nov and i regret not going earlier. I don't think there is any procedure after IVF liao as it is like the last resort, so can't be too old to try that la! If too old to try that that what else to try? After 40 years old no more subsidy liao from govt I think. So be confident! You are still considered young enough to do IVF
Actually even if you wanna start, the queue is in May already. I advise you call KKIVF straightaway and book an appt, or else you can only do the IVF in June or July and you'd be 34 soon! Just go for first appt and the nurse will also explain to you in detail. There are also quite a few blood tests to take.
Meantime, you can ask questions here and see TCM to tiaoyang your body. There are supplements you can take to, some of us are even going for reiki healing sessions. Who knows you might strike naturally?
Babysmurf,
I am unsure. Both clinics are nearby. Just try kkivf first if cannot then go 24hrs? Or just go 24hrs straight? Take care and update us! Results out in 1-2 hrs I heard. What time you going to do?
33 is not considered old. Some ladies here are over 35 already. If you wanna go for it, go for it as early as possible to have better success rates. I am 32 last nov and i regret not going earlier. I don't think there is any procedure after IVF liao as it is like the last resort, so can't be too old to try that la! If too old to try that that what else to try? After 40 years old no more subsidy liao from govt I think. So be confident! You are still considered young enough to do IVF
Actually even if you wanna start, the queue is in May already. I advise you call KKIVF straightaway and book an appt, or else you can only do the IVF in June or July and you'd be 34 soon! Just go for first appt and the nurse will also explain to you in detail. There are also quite a few blood tests to take.
Meantime, you can ask questions here and see TCM to tiaoyang your body. There are supplements you can take to, some of us are even going for reiki healing sessions. Who knows you might strike naturally?
Babysmurf,
I am unsure. Both clinics are nearby. Just try kkivf first if cannot then go 24hrs? Or just go 24hrs straight? Take care and update us! Results out in 1-2 hrs I heard. What time you going to do?
Hi psp,
Puregon/ Gonal F are injections to stimulate your follicles to grow. For IVF, the duration is about 2-3 weeks depending on how your body reacts to the injections. However, before Puregon, you need to start on Suprefact which will first suppress your own hormones (usually start on day 21 of your menses) for 2 weeks then continue on even when u start puregon. So the whole injection process is about 1 month.
I think the main difference between IUI and IVF is that for IUI, the sperm is injected into the uterus and needs to find the egg and merge with it to form the embryo. And the embryo if formed needs to implant itself and grow. So this process is more suitable if there is no major problem with hubby's sperms. For this process, it is done only when you ovulate (so usually 1 egg) and on that day itself the sperms are injected. More info: http://www.ivf1.com/iui-intrauterine-insemination/
For IVF, the best sperms are selected to merge with the best eggs retrieved from us and only the best 2 embryos formed beforehand, are injected into the uterus so only implantation and growth of embryo are question marks and uncontrollable. This process is better if hubby's sperms have some problems. Also, many eggs are stimulated (if you respond well) so the best eggs can be chosen. And if you have more than 2 embryos formed, they can be frozen and you can thaw them when you need to do IVF again (then you can skip the one month of injections).
IVF has better chances but also will take longer and cost more. Some doctors recommened IUI first then IVF. For my case, I went straight for IVF cos both me and my DH also not very optimum for TTC.
The younger u r with lesser probs, will have better success rates. About 50% for IVF I think. You seen a doctor yet and had any tests or scans done?
Puregon/ Gonal F are injections to stimulate your follicles to grow. For IVF, the duration is about 2-3 weeks depending on how your body reacts to the injections. However, before Puregon, you need to start on Suprefact which will first suppress your own hormones (usually start on day 21 of your menses) for 2 weeks then continue on even when u start puregon. So the whole injection process is about 1 month.
I think the main difference between IUI and IVF is that for IUI, the sperm is injected into the uterus and needs to find the egg and merge with it to form the embryo. And the embryo if formed needs to implant itself and grow. So this process is more suitable if there is no major problem with hubby's sperms. For this process, it is done only when you ovulate (so usually 1 egg) and on that day itself the sperms are injected. More info: http://www.ivf1.com/iui-intrauterine-insemination/
For IVF, the best sperms are selected to merge with the best eggs retrieved from us and only the best 2 embryos formed beforehand, are injected into the uterus so only implantation and growth of embryo are question marks and uncontrollable. This process is better if hubby's sperms have some problems. Also, many eggs are stimulated (if you respond well) so the best eggs can be chosen. And if you have more than 2 embryos formed, they can be frozen and you can thaw them when you need to do IVF again (then you can skip the one month of injections).
IVF has better chances but also will take longer and cost more. Some doctors recommened IUI first then IVF. For my case, I went straight for IVF cos both me and my DH also not very optimum for TTC.
The younger u r with lesser probs, will have better success rates. About 50% for IVF I think. You seen a doctor yet and had any tests or scans done?
saggiegirl
New Member
Dee> ya ... i was on clomid but i developed side effects
..and hubby sperm count is very low... haiz...ya he say go for IVF rather than IUI...but IUI cheaper??
haiz not sure how hubby want or not.. coz he say very expensive...
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Sashamama> thanks for the comprehensive explanation... dunnoe y Doc never say about IUI....
haiz not sure how hubby want or not.. coz he say very expensive...
Sashamama> thanks for the comprehensive explanation... dunnoe y Doc never say about IUI....
Sashamama,
Thanks so much for your great information.
I have completed 2 SO-IUI but unsuccessful.
Doctor has advised me to take IVF. I have scheduled an appt in Feb. I am not sure if i can go thru this again.
The previous 2 IUIs have caused alot of stress and i am mentally drained up especially when i have my blood test and the result is negative.I am not scare of the injection, time or money spent but the negative results.
I was thinking to give up and adopt a child instead. Sometimes i just wonder why am i so useless when i heard news of my friends getting pregnant or when relatives asking why no children yet.
Thanks so much for your great information.
I have completed 2 SO-IUI but unsuccessful.
Doctor has advised me to take IVF. I have scheduled an appt in Feb. I am not sure if i can go thru this again.
The previous 2 IUIs have caused alot of stress and i am mentally drained up especially when i have my blood test and the result is negative.I am not scare of the injection, time or money spent but the negative results.
I was thinking to give up and adopt a child instead. Sometimes i just wonder why am i so useless when i heard news of my friends getting pregnant or when relatives asking why no children yet.
karentey75
New Member
Hi psp, the feeling u have, we have too. Depressing sometimes ain't it... WTD. We just have to try our best n give it a try...
saggiegirl
New Member
psp> *hug hug* i really admire your courage to take up IUI for 2 times!...
for me i was devastated when doctor told me hubby sperm low count and we cannot have our own children by natural means... i went home crying and crying...
which doctor u went to? private hosp? or govt hosp?
for me i was devastated when doctor told me hubby sperm low count and we cannot have our own children by natural means... i went home crying and crying...
which doctor u went to? private hosp? or govt hosp?
Thanks i1BB.
I went to KKH. The charges are cheaper. Dr Loh is very famous and created alot of miracles but he has left. I was told that IUI chances are slimmer so i choose to see govt hosp, knowing that i need to try a few times.
My hubby has low sperm count too. I can understand how you feel. I was very down too, cos i cant show the disappointment infront of my husband and i dont want to affect him. So most of the time, i will cry in the toilet.
I guess we have no other alternatives but to keep trying if we really want a child.
I went to KKH. The charges are cheaper. Dr Loh is very famous and created alot of miracles but he has left. I was told that IUI chances are slimmer so i choose to see govt hosp, knowing that i need to try a few times.
My hubby has low sperm count too. I can understand how you feel. I was very down too, cos i cant show the disappointment infront of my husband and i dont want to affect him. So most of the time, i will cry in the toilet.
I guess we have no other alternatives but to keep trying if we really want a child.
saggiegirl
New Member
yeah...heard that Dr Loh has left for TMC
...
izzit? I thought IUI is a more complex procedure...??? correct me if i am wrong...
yeah...i just now went to toilet and cry my heart out...
dunnoe how to face my hubby later
izzit? I thought IUI is a more complex procedure...??? correct me if i am wrong...
yeah...i just now went to toilet and cry my heart out...
Dear saggie,
Probably cos ur hubby sperm not optimum, so doc didn't suggest IUI and if you don't wish to wait longer due to age than IVF has higher success rate. For IUI, I think only 1-2k (i'm unsure, cos this is what I heard from my previous gynae 2 years ago). For IVF, is about 10k more or less depending on which hospital and if it is govt hospital or not. If govt hospital, you can use medisave (6k first try, 5k second try, 4k third try) and govt will also subsidise 3k for first, second and third tries.
For me, at NUH, the total costs came up to about 10k (and I didn't even do the embryo transfer process cos I didn't have any embryo to transfer). So after the 6k from medisave and 3k from govt, i still needed to pay 1-2k cash (also cos i had 1 more week of gonal f stimulation jabs).
As for my 2nd fresh cycle at KKIVF, though only 5k from medisave, and also 3k from govt, i didn't pay any extra cash despite going through the whole process inclusive of embryo transfer.
At both hospitals, I was under private patient and at both hospitals, my doctors are head of the department. So if u want cheaper, definitely KK.
Don't be too sad about not being able to conceive naturally. IUI or IVF is assisted reproduction using ours and hubby's eggs and sperms respectively. So the baby is still our genes, is still ours.
Dear psp,
I understand the pains. I was suggested by NUH to do surrogacy or adoption and I was seriously contemplating. But since there is govt subsidy for 3 tries, I decided to go for 2nd and 3rd try first, if fail try private too. If really still fail then consider surrogacy. End up I strike on my 2nd fresh when i switched from NUH to KK, am 8 weeks plus now.
I feel insecure still as I have adenomyosis and i miscarried 3 years ago. Am married 6 years with no contraceptives used. The heartaches are unbearable but I believe one day, we will all succeed, it is just a matter of time, patience, luck and belief.
You are not useless, think of it as the right time is not here yet. Share your joys and woes, fears and doubts here. We will support one another
Jiayou!!!
Probably cos ur hubby sperm not optimum, so doc didn't suggest IUI and if you don't wish to wait longer due to age than IVF has higher success rate. For IUI, I think only 1-2k (i'm unsure, cos this is what I heard from my previous gynae 2 years ago). For IVF, is about 10k more or less depending on which hospital and if it is govt hospital or not. If govt hospital, you can use medisave (6k first try, 5k second try, 4k third try) and govt will also subsidise 3k for first, second and third tries.
For me, at NUH, the total costs came up to about 10k (and I didn't even do the embryo transfer process cos I didn't have any embryo to transfer). So after the 6k from medisave and 3k from govt, i still needed to pay 1-2k cash (also cos i had 1 more week of gonal f stimulation jabs).
As for my 2nd fresh cycle at KKIVF, though only 5k from medisave, and also 3k from govt, i didn't pay any extra cash despite going through the whole process inclusive of embryo transfer.
At both hospitals, I was under private patient and at both hospitals, my doctors are head of the department. So if u want cheaper, definitely KK.
Don't be too sad about not being able to conceive naturally. IUI or IVF is assisted reproduction using ours and hubby's eggs and sperms respectively. So the baby is still our genes, is still ours.
Dear psp,
I understand the pains. I was suggested by NUH to do surrogacy or adoption and I was seriously contemplating. But since there is govt subsidy for 3 tries, I decided to go for 2nd and 3rd try first, if fail try private too. If really still fail then consider surrogacy. End up I strike on my 2nd fresh when i switched from NUH to KK, am 8 weeks plus now.
I feel insecure still as I have adenomyosis and i miscarried 3 years ago. Am married 6 years with no contraceptives used. The heartaches are unbearable but I believe one day, we will all succeed, it is just a matter of time, patience, luck and belief.
You are not useless, think of it as the right time is not here yet. Share your joys and woes, fears and doubts here. We will support one another
Saggiegirl
I personally feel that IVF is more complex. My hubby wanted to try IUI cos he feels that IUI is done internally whereas IVF is externally.
Most importantly is cheaper. IUI is about $1.3k to $2k and IVF is $10 to $12k.
But dont worry, you can deduct from ur Mediasave.
I personally feel that IVF is more complex. My hubby wanted to try IUI cos he feels that IUI is done internally whereas IVF is externally.
Most importantly is cheaper. IUI is about $1.3k to $2k and IVF is $10 to $12k.
But dont worry, you can deduct from ur Mediasave.
saggiegirl
New Member
Sashamama> Ok got the post...
thanks...haiz i know...but i scared my in-laws will be upset ...(but in any case, i dun want to let them know...they will 'spread' the news to their 100-member family gang)...
thanks...haiz i know...but i scared my in-laws will be upset ...(but in any case, i dun want to let them know...they will 'spread' the news to their 100-member family gang)...
Hi Saggiegirl and PSP
Don't give up. Try harder and hope for the best. Alot of the sisters like me has tried IVF and still trying.
I was not give a choice. Was straight away referred to do IVF. Failed 2fresh cycles and now planning to go for my 3rd try.
Low sperm count. Can be improve by taking mutli- vitamins like Zinc. For KKH, their Dr recommonded Viagor acid.
Don't give up. Try harder and hope for the best. Alot of the sisters like me has tried IVF and still trying.
I was not give a choice. Was straight away referred to do IVF. Failed 2fresh cycles and now planning to go for my 3rd try.
Low sperm count. Can be improve by taking mutli- vitamins like Zinc. For KKH, their Dr recommonded Viagor acid.
saggiegirl
New Member
babysmurf> yeah I can understand. That is why i always admire mummies....
Hubby never took supplements before...
and doctor never gave Viagor acid...
Hubby never took supplements before...
saggiegirl
New Member
psp> yeah i do agree. I am calmer and feeling better after the chatting. So online therapy helps!
babysmurf> yeah i do agree. No point letting them know and let the 'wildfire' spread. No taboo on IVF but just that these ppl like to twist facts around....(sounds like HK drama?)...
yeah i tink i will probably engage my mum to help me after whatever checkup. My mum is not working (same as my dad).
babysmurf> yeah i do agree. No point letting them know and let the 'wildfire' spread. No taboo on IVF but just that these ppl like to twist facts around....(sounds like HK drama?)...
yeah i tink i will probably engage my mum to help me after whatever checkup. My mum is not working (same as my dad).
saggiegirl
New Member
babysmurf> yeah ...heard of oysters..but i want to vomit whenever i see oysters...really...
i see..hmm so can order online..
i see..hmm so can order online..
saggiegirl
New Member
HOPE> wah not bad leh..,u can draw well!! I failed my art in my schooling days, hence cannot draw to explain...hahahaha...
My husband was told to take Viagor Ace and another supplement, i cant remember the name. Will check tonight.
In fact, you can consult the doctor and get the supplement from the hospital pharmacy.
I didnt inform anyone beside my husband about the IUI. I didnt want to create any false hope..
In fact, you can consult the doctor and get the supplement from the hospital pharmacy.
I didnt inform anyone beside my husband about the IUI. I didnt want to create any false hope..
saggiegirl
New Member
psp> doctor never advise me leh...
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saggiegirl
New Member
psp> i was at KKH all along...
loveangel28
New Member
Saggiegirl,
Actually, you won't quite feel the pinch .... Because your cash outlay will only be between $1k to $2k. Like in my case, mine's very high dosage, it cost me $10K exactly for my first cycle (some ladies here only spent $5k to $6k for theirs). Govt pay $3k. Medisave can use $6k. So you won't notice a super a big hole in our pocket.
If you don't attempt it now, will you regret it when you look back and blame yourself for not even trying? When you are pass 40, your cash outlay will increase automatically by $3k (because no more govt co-fund), + chances reduced dramatically. You got $ then, also no help already.
Psp,
We totallly understand how you feel. All of us have gone through it, cried buckets, heart broken few times, mind exhausted from all the questions of why why why? I not only friends all around me preg, colleagues also preggy, most of my neighbors left, right, up & down all also preg.
But the thing is, at least when you try when you are able, there is hope. Every disappointments & heartbreak can serve to make us stronger ... or bitter, it's all up to us. If we fail, we gotta pick ourselves up & try again. If still fail at the end, at least we thank God we have our dearest hubby with us. Some women (or rather many women) do not even get their men.
But if you really feel you can't do this anymore, adoption is a good idea too .... my hubby's good friend tried IVF twice, got pregnant the 2nd round but had to terminated the pregnancy at dunno 5th or 6th month because water leaked. She went through depression & hallucinations.. suicidal too ... it was quite bad for her ... in the end, she went for adoption and her adopted baby girl is now 29 months old.
Actually, you won't quite feel the pinch .... Because your cash outlay will only be between $1k to $2k. Like in my case, mine's very high dosage, it cost me $10K exactly for my first cycle (some ladies here only spent $5k to $6k for theirs). Govt pay $3k. Medisave can use $6k. So you won't notice a super a big hole in our pocket.
If you don't attempt it now, will you regret it when you look back and blame yourself for not even trying? When you are pass 40, your cash outlay will increase automatically by $3k (because no more govt co-fund), + chances reduced dramatically. You got $ then, also no help already.
Psp,
We totallly understand how you feel. All of us have gone through it, cried buckets, heart broken few times, mind exhausted from all the questions of why why why? I not only friends all around me preg, colleagues also preggy, most of my neighbors left, right, up & down all also preg.
But the thing is, at least when you try when you are able, there is hope. Every disappointments & heartbreak can serve to make us stronger ... or bitter, it's all up to us. If we fail, we gotta pick ourselves up & try again. If still fail at the end, at least we thank God we have our dearest hubby with us. Some women (or rather many women) do not even get their men.
But if you really feel you can't do this anymore, adoption is a good idea too .... my hubby's good friend tried IVF twice, got pregnant the 2nd round but had to terminated the pregnancy at dunno 5th or 6th month because water leaked. She went through depression & hallucinations.. suicidal too ... it was quite bad for her ... in the end, she went for adoption and her adopted baby girl is now 29 months old.
karentey75
New Member
Well said dee! *applaud
Hi everyone,
I did my Ivf fresh cycle in nov 2011, but was unfortunately cancelled after ER as I was hospitalized due to OHSS. I was given duphaston to induce my menses and was all prepared to do FET this jan.
However, 2 weeks after taking the last duphaston pill, my period did not report, so I took a hpt -positive- and the bhcg test, which confirmed my pregnancy. My husband and I were very shocked as we couldn't understand how I could BFP after going through the week long hospitalization and the surgery to fix the abdominal drain.
It turned out that after my HCG shot during IVF, I probably ovulated before ER and you know the rest. To me, all that has happened is a miracle and I truly count my blessings for it. the OHSS turned out to be a blessing in disguise and even dr Lau's first reaction was "unbelievable!" I almost teared when I saw my baby's heartbeat on the screen today.
Just wanted to share my joy and also to encourage all mummies-to-be here not to give up through my story. Also, many thanks to those who supported me during my fresh and hospitalization. Jia You everyone!
I did my Ivf fresh cycle in nov 2011, but was unfortunately cancelled after ER as I was hospitalized due to OHSS. I was given duphaston to induce my menses and was all prepared to do FET this jan.
However, 2 weeks after taking the last duphaston pill, my period did not report, so I took a hpt -positive- and the bhcg test, which confirmed my pregnancy. My husband and I were very shocked as we couldn't understand how I could BFP after going through the week long hospitalization and the surgery to fix the abdominal drain.
It turned out that after my HCG shot during IVF, I probably ovulated before ER and you know the rest. To me, all that has happened is a miracle and I truly count my blessings for it. the OHSS turned out to be a blessing in disguise and even dr Lau's first reaction was "unbelievable!" I almost teared when I saw my baby's heartbeat on the screen today.
Just wanted to share my joy and also to encourage all mummies-to-be here not to give up through my story. Also, many thanks to those who supported me during my fresh and hospitalization. Jia You everyone!
nurul_huda
Member
Ladies
Can explain to me in detail wats OHSS so dat I roughly noe wats it is ol about. If OHSS occurred, we hv to cancel e IVF cycle is issit? Y is it so?
Can explain to me in detail wats OHSS so dat I roughly noe wats it is ol about. If OHSS occurred, we hv to cancel e IVF cycle is issit? Y is it so?
karentey75
New Member
Tricia congrats!!! More miracles like this please... Have a smooth pregnancy ahead ya