(2010/03) March 2010 mtb

fairie, before 5 weeks, it is hard to tell how much the sac grew. For accuracy, the scans must be done by the same person with the same machine... :p



I think it's no point scanning so soon for me.. that's why when I went to see my doctor yesterday, he never scan also. cos my last scan showed 5 weeks (last Thursday). It's only 3 days apart.



but I'm sure your doctor knows the size of the sacs.

 


cactus, i'm comparing the u/s scan i did 11 days ago and yesterday...not much diff in size... yup the scans were done by same gynae with same machine...



today i'm supposedly to be in my 9th week (counting LMP) but till now i don't know how many weeks is my gestational and yolk sacs and what is the size of it...i didn't ask the gynae she also didn't tell me...are gynaes supposed to tell their patients?

 
Hi Ladies...You may also wanna consider visiting the Chinese Sinseh that gave us the recipe, think its Ban Chan Choon or Ban Choon Chan, @ Blk 81 Marine Parade Central, opposite Police Post. There's two TCM there, so dun do to the wrong one. This Chinese Sinseh will feel your pulse for baby pulse. In the end, he didn charge us any money at all cos consultation is free and he says no point prescribing medicine as we cannot take Chinese Herbs in first trimester, which coincided with what my gynae said.



Also, we experimented with black chicken, kampong chicken, frozen chicken (from NTUC) and white chicken. My and Hubby both felt fresh black chicken from market (don't get the frozen ones) are better. He felt the difference as he extracts the juice, while I felt it after drinking. I take it every two days, then rest one day. Do u all need the recipe?

 
afternoon ladies, went for my appointment yesterday and managed to hear and see my bb's heartbeat at 8 weeks. I think I was supposed to feel excited but I was rather nauseous and weak till the doctor asked me whether I was excited...lol

Aniwae I was crossing my fingers not to have any v-scan. And thank god its not...



lovinglife, please do add me to the list, thankiu thankiu!



age: 28

edd: 08th march

baby #1

gynae: Dr Eunice Chua

hosp: TMC

location: west

 
Erhm...Use 1 chicken (preferably fr market), boil chicken (remove skin & fats, neck, feet and wings) in a double-boiler or pot(covered) for abt 2hrs (no water or herb or seasoning added). Can smash the chicken b4 putting into the pot so that more juice can come out later.



Usually can extract half a bowl out ba. One serving is equavalent to 7 bottles of brands [IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif]

 
Thanks for the recipe, Steph. It's very similar to a receipe my mom cooks for me from time to time. but she sometimes adds wolfberries, or cordeyceps. SHe will always chop up the chicken using a cleaver, until the meat is very very minced. before boiling. But she boils over very small fire for at least 6 hours..

 
hey steph, tomorrow still not 6 wk for me (one day short) donno can detact heartbeat yet, plus heard from other mothers, my gynae's machine quite "go-yak" so maybe can only detact later haha....but should expect the sac to grow from 7mm to 13 mm by tomorrow. (deduce after reading from the site both cactus and I chance upon just now)

 
jonjosh, I don't think can detect heartbeat at 6 weeks. but I think you can see the yolk sac and may see fetal pole. [IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif]

 
RE: ESSENCE of chicken

I took the brand's essence of chicken on sunday night and maybe.. it seemed to help. My spottings stop, praying hard that everything turns out ok now.



I hate the waiting for the first tri to be over. With H1N1 around, it seemed like no where is safe.

 
yup yup....all this wait to see gynae thing is freaking me out. steph let's pray hard for good news tomorrow!!

 
cactus_79, ehehe..no problem....I should thank u instead....[IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif]

Aniwae do take good care of your health and after reading through ur experience, I pray everything will turn out smoothly for you, aite..[IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif]

 
hello mummies,

everybody really know how to count the days. i'm bad at it cos have a irregular period. hence tho m preg with the 3rd, my last check-up, gynae could not tell an exact edd.



my period returned on 19 may after i delivered my no 2 last oct. then it disappeared for 1.5mths b4 deciding to test cos was feeling nauseaus. went to gynae and said yup still not regular cos foetus only 2mm. he suspected that i could be 6 wks.



Was supposed to go back in 2 wks time but now postponed another week cos i was tested positive for H1N1. worried but thank god the last check-up we did see heartbeat. was given duphaston too.

 
thanks, BLue_Y!



Jules, for irregular period, you need to do a proper dating scan. This is best done in early pregnancy.. at about 8 weeks or so. once the fetal pole can be seen. GOsh! You tested positive for H1N1?! Do take care of yourself yah?

 
Hehe...the power of chicken essence! Before I took chicken essence, my HCG was rising at a pathetic speed, from 1800 to 2400 when it shld be doubling. After the essence, still no doubling but at least went to 3500 and 4900.



Yah! I told hubby to take the day off tmr. If good news, we can go shopping for maternity clothes, if bad news, he must stay home with me for emotional support :p



*Keeping my fingers crossed*

 
I have some queries and I hope there are some experienced ladies and mummies that can help me clear my doubt. My first visit was to a clinic I chose in TMC and the payment made was per visit basis. Paid about 200+ for my first appt. I wished to know if all visits to all gynaes are on per visit/appt basis or is there some clinics like eg. KKH which has packages?

Are packages cheaper than per visit/appt base? and any examples of costs to relate to? And anyone ever use TMC clinics able to tell me estimately homw nuch do the check-ups amount to till the end of full term; not inclusive of labour and ward charges.. Soory, Im new to this..hope someone can clarify for me..[IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif]

 
BLue_Y, KKH, NUH and SGH have packages also, but these start from week 16. These are also not as competitively priced as those offered by private doctors. When I delivered my #1 last year, I was seen by a consultant. The package was at about $480/10 visits. I need to pay extra for more than 10 visits. If I only viist 9 times, or less, no reimbursement. Also, the visits don't include medication, scans (unless doctor does it in his consultation room).. etc. now I'm seen by the same doctor (but promoted to senior consultant). His package is priced at $650/10 visits or something like that.



Generally speaking, at restructured hospitals, per visit is about the same price as package price. Personally, I find that private doctors may be cheaper (most of them, not all) than restructured hospitals UNLESS you are a subsidized patient at a resturctured hospital (meaning cannot choose own doctor and will be seen by any doctor who happens to be free at that time). private packages are often unlimited visits, can visit even for cough and cold. The only thing I feel to consider in private packages is whether the doctor you choose is overcommitted, cos then waiting times can be very long, and your doctor may not give you fullest attention during your labour.

 
*Beams* Thanks!!



Sidetrack from Chicken Essence, just a story to share with all mummies to be on choice of hospital. My SIL delivered my niece in TMC. Sometime during the pregnancy, the babe was detected that her intestinal had knotted and harden so the bb would require immediate surgery to cut the harden intestine upon birth. We were informed during her pregnancy, but my SIL decided to continue with TMC.



When my niece was delivered, TMC couldn't handle the complications and dragged another ten days trying to resolve. At one point, they even took off the baby's drip and scrambled to call KKH and NUH for help. KKH refused, saying their beds are full, so lucky for us, NUH took my niece in.



Only on the way to NUH via ambulance, TMC quickly put the drip back on. When she was admitted to NUH, the poor baby was dehydrated and at one time, crying so badly that her tubes came off from her. The poor baby had to stay another 6 months in NUH (luckily she's a pretty princess now).



To sum up, I guess TMC is a good place for delivery if its a normal pregnancy. But along the way, if touch wood, some complications arises, would be a good idea to switch to KKH or NUH or SGH. They have full facilities, and able to handle complications. At least if bb was born there, they can't turn them away subsequently by saying no beds [IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif]

 
BLue_Y, oh, the first appointment is usually quite expensive, cos it may be longer than normal.it may also require scans/blood tests/medication given. For example, my first appointment at SGH with my #1, was at 11 weeks. I spent $400 for that appointment, cos took blood and did the triple screen test at the same time.

 
cactus, then i should ask my gynae hor? sigh...think it's becos she gives me bad news everytime i visit her...so each time i don't know what to ask also hee...



zhuzhu, i guessed mine is 29 days cycle...but then the month before may, i was 34 days...and the month before i was 30 days..so i'm confused myself...

 
actually, I feel that KKH is one of the safest place if it is a complicated pregnancy or delivery. Cos they have a full neonatological department. I think NUH also have, but SGH don't have. SGh doesn't have Peadiatrics dept for instance. They only have baby clinic. So for a bb who may be ill, KKH is the best bet, followed by NUH.



The thing with private hospitals is, the doctors are not employed by the hospital. They are separate individuals (sometimes with their own biz management), so if a specialist other than a gynae is required, immeidately contacting another specialist may result in some time lag. Except in a restructured hospital cos it is a central system to call doctors in.

 
I think at the end of the day, it's importnat to find a doctor that we are comfortable with. and if we have particular requests for the labour ward, should check to see if the hospital we deliver in have those requirements (water birth, attached shower facility, etc). Personaly, if my bb has health problems diagnosed before birth, I will go to KKH. But if I don't know of these problems, I will go to SGH. Cos near my office. and I plan to work up till labour.no other hospital is that near. hmm.. actually another smaller reason is I find it hard to find a private doctor I can trust.

 
steph, phew! thats why NUH always be my first choice..



blue_y... packages at nuh starts from $600 onwards for checkups 20 weeks onwards.. cant gv u exact details as i dont hv my paper wif me now..



last sat, i just saw my gynae, chit chat for abt 10 mins, did a V-scan and bought folic acid, it already made my $200 poorer... [IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif]

 
Yupz, and for restructured hospitals, they have a panel of medical chiefs, whom are more experienced. For my niece, she was quickly referred to the head of peads. I supposed when it comes to complications, its really the experience of the doctor that counts.



Hehe, my SIL is expecting again, due this year. This time, both she and me are with NUH.

 
Oh! If you choose restructured hospitals, do note that there is no 2-bedder. only single bedder, 4 bedders, etc. My suggestion is not to opt for 4 bedder cos rather noisy. single bedder cost is slightly higher than 2 bedder in TMC/Mt A. I think Raffles and Mt E is most expensive for private hospitals. KKH is most expensive for restructured hospitals. KKH also has an upgraded 1 bedder, deluxe room. It comes with attached living space with sofa. but not cheap. Finally, if you choose KKH, it's best to opt for 1 bedder cos it is a maternity hospital. if you opt for 4 bedder, you are not likely to get much attention cos the nurses there are used to labouring mothers. I don't think that problem exists at SGH or NUH. I delivered at SGH, stayed 1 bedder. I felt very very comfortable. When I was warded post-delivery, a midwife even visited me during her lunch hour. cos she was concerned about me.

 
wah the list is so long nw [IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif]

btw, these few days keep feeling stomach cramps ..wonder am i fine.. gg to see gynea only next week ..

 
Steph, all the best [IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif]



Fairie and Cactus, listening to some of your stories reminded me of my fren.

She went to the gynae straight once she was tested positive. gynae could only see sac and nothing else. told her probably still too early and told her to return 4 weeks later. after tt 4 weeks, gynae gave a bad news that the pregnancy would be unsuccessful and that the pregnancy willl auto-bort in a few days time. in sadness, both hubby and wife left the clinic, dazed.

they decided to seek a 2nd opinion. another gynae said can see a tiny weeny bit and gave her hormone jabs and even made her stay overnight to measure her HCG too. in the end still din make it and had to go for d/c. tho she was given temp hope, i guess she was glad that at least she did try to save. now she is a happy mother of a boy last yr, after 'pu-ing' herself with a TCM physician.



Hang on there, everyone. it is really unsettling during this early period. with all here to support, we'll be able to ride it out [IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif]

 
cactus, got to agree wif you... but i never like the service rendered at KKH... (heard lots of ugly experiences from other ppl)



i was introduced to my present gynae by my gp.. they used to be unimates.. we are all abt the same age... so i am very comfortable knowing that my gp knew my gynae and likewise [IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif]

 
actually, I'm glad we are sharing so openly about restructured hospitals on this thread.. cos I feel that alot of pple misunderstand restructured hospitals.. that they are not good.. dirt cheap.. etc.



but perhaps it's only the subsidized patients who will say that it is not good (cos they are seen by very junior medical doctors), and cheap (cos they pay subsidized rates at $22/consultation), etc.



My experience at SGH had been fantastic.. and in fact, the stories I heard about private doctors are not too good. I know some doctors who go on holiday last minute inform the mothers, then stand in doctor appear at last minute at hospital for delivery (mother never see him before), etc. mis communication between hopsital and doctor. doctor delivering bbs at 2 different hospitals about the same time. etc.



Just want to reassure those reading this thread that not all private doctors are irresponsible, but there are a small number of them out there.. cos there are no checks on them..

 
TeeNoyL, actually, KKH is not the best place to go for delivering bbs. NUH and SGH is better in terms of comfort. [IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif] but KKH is the safest..

 
TeeNoyL, do you have this jittery at times when you think of having 3 kids playing in front of you? haha...



When talk about NUH, i kept thinking of this popular gynae there, Dr Mary Rauff. So many of my colleagues go to her. dun know what's so gd abt her but apparently just one look at yr tummy, she knows what position is the bb in. wow!

But their single-bedder looks very comfy plus a candlelight dinner the night after delivery. hee..

 
Jules, Dr Rauff is very good in what she does, but about 10 years ago, she missed noticing a twin pregnancy until the fetuses were mid-trimester... surprising, cos she did routine ultrasounds too.

 
everything "soon soon" go private is ok but got complication then kkh is the best place to be. Recently my sis gave birth at gleaneagle, baby has pierre robin sequence, doc and nurse still donno know, only 24 hrs later. baby discharge then gotta go polyclinic to get referral letter to kkh else treatment fee will kill them. over at kkh, they have a special team of doc who knew exactly what to do so baby is recovering with followups.....



however i personally had very bad experience in kkh. my 1st was delivered there. my labour was prolong, admitted close to midnight into delivery suite and i asked for epidural immediate coz i don't want pain. stupid doc didn't come till 4am, did such a bad job, i felt a chill down my spine as if he had hit a nerve as he administered and i had backache for 6 mths after delivery. now i still suffered stiff back at times. labour for 12 hrs and no dilation, was shivering (side effect of epidural) then baby in distress coz passed motion inside. gynae say wait somemore. I told her i'm not waiting, i want c section done immediately. fancy me telling the gynae what to do. when baby came out, ambilical cord is 1 round around his neck! cannot imagine what would happened if i had waited! baby need to be in icu for observation to make sure there was no poo poo in his lungs. my c section scar was super long and ugly. I was in such pain that i refused to walk for 3 days!



given such exp, my 2nd was at raffles. the gynae was experience heard of tan yew gee? also c section, i could sit up on my bed the very day i delivered. However the nurses there sucks.

 
wow! jonjosh your experience at KKH really horrid! Who was your doctor then? And the anaesthetist?



post-csection I was quite mobile. My c-section was in the evening. The next day, late morning, I can walk around the walk already. but full recovery took 6 months....

 
u r right! i'm surprised to hear that SGH is not tt bad after. maybe cos you are the first that I hear delivers there. So this forum is a good sharing platform to give MTBs more informed choices. Like TeeNoyL, dun like KKH too.



My hubby and I like TMC cos it's quite like a 'maternity' hospital. Mommies and babies not exposed to other germs from other patients. However, u guys are right, maybe complicated cases if not anticipated earlier, TMC may have a hard time coping. Their hospital so small.

 
cactus, my cuzin was left "stranded" after delivery as there was no gynae available to sew her up!!(she was delivered by midwife and not her gynae) and the first meal served to her was, guess wat, SAMBAL SOTONG!!!!



jules, do you know i am a tarzan when at home? hahaha.. Dr Mary Rauff is indeed very popular. She is just next room to my gynae. A very frail, petite, old lady.. Hmmm.. her room is filled with lotsa babies pix i assume given as momentos from the proud parents...

 
Jules, I'm not sure about KKH and NUH, but in SGH, pregnant ladies are not near ill patients. For consultations, we go to the stand alone O&G centre..for mothers beyond 20 weeks, if there is bleeding or any complications, we dno't go to the A&E department. Instead, we go striaght to labour ward where there is a 24-hour gynae on stand by for emergencies.



actually, SGH is quite a hidden gem. [IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif] Their labour wards were renovated not too long ago. Their choice of food is quite good also - have confinement menu to choose from (of course, still have western, chinese, halal menus). 1 bedder, have own newspaper at the ward. around the clock milo and biscuits. one day, have 2 parentcraft sessions. Have lactation room with support from lactation consultants also. [IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif] And the midwives are very very nice.



Very few pple know this, but SGH has even a 4D scanning machine! upon request, you can get a 3D scan done FOC. THey have at least 2 of them at SGH.

 
i cannot recall but i know is tan xxx a lady. the anaesthetist never met before, a singh who came in last min. other horrible story, my ex neighbour delivered her baby there and for whatever reason, doc not around when she gave birth. the boy is now 6 but still can't walk properly and can only call mama. he suffered from "que yang" (lack oxygen)at birth. so poor thing.

 
TeeNoyL, was your cousin a subsidized patient at KKH? Cos normally, all private class patients have their chosen doctors deliver the babies. It is only C class or B2 class patients who have the midwives deliver and sew up...



Jonjosh, ai yoh. KKH sounds awful. Maybe they are too busy already... with all the labouring mothers. My husband called up KKH when I was preggie with #1, to find out more about their maternity packages, but he was ignored. He only got proper responses from NUH and SGH. He told me they appear less overworked. haha@

 
cactus, yup! yup! she is a subsidised patient at KKH.. but it cant be that bad, right? Even at NUH, subsidised patient is being attended by gynaes in the delivery suite.. If they are lucky (like me), i have a whole bunch of 20 student doctors cheering me on!! hahaha.. But to serve SAMBAL SOTONG??? i tink KKH is really very sotong!



hmm no wonder u chose SGH.. ya, i dino much abt SGH too.. eventho my office is like 10 mins drive away hehehe....

 
saw here that many mtb r going to tmc. can enlighten me abt tmc? how long has it been around, i have not heard abt tmc at all, call me "sua gu" :p

 


TeeNoyL, it's actually accepted practice in all restructured hospitals, that if you are subsidized patient, a doctor will not deliver the bb for you. delivery is by midwife. Actualy, this info is also on KKH website. I saw it before.



It was a given that I will go to SGH... cos it's very near my work place. [IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif] I also only found out about the benefits of that place when I was close to delivering. [IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif] I didn't go for any antenatal classes.. so didn't know what to expect of that hospital. in fact, when I was expecting my #1, I wanted to go to Mt A, cos I was delivered in Mt A, and my family memebrs gave me pressure to deliver in private hospital cos their thinking is that private is better.. but eventually, I chose SGH cos it's near my office, and after seeing my experience, my relatives say it is a good choice. [IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif]



Jonjosh, TMC has been around for a very long time! One of my aunts delivered there about 18 years ago. [IMG=http://www.singaporemotherhood.com/forumboard/clipart/happy.gif] It used to be on par with Mt A, as a premier maternity hospital.

 
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