thanks all for the advice.... i never thought of changing to another doctor as i would have to start all over again.. besides i thought dr loh would have known my history and background.. before dr loh, i have seen other doctors too... dr loh was highly recommended and i thought it's best that i just stick to him.. anyway, i do appreciate the advice .. worth considering..
will decide after next week's visit with dr loh to understand a bit more...
anyway, all must continue to jia you !! most importantly is to eat healthy, live well and be happy.. sometimes by focusing too much on this subscounciously stress our body... and have faith too.. i always think maybe it's not time yet and god has plans for us..
btw, does any one know if there is any yoga centres that focus on fertility poses ? or qi gong classes ? i always think qi gong are for old people... but due to desperation, i will try any avenue to improve my condition... googled and found out that qi gong may help... anyone practice qi gong ?
thanks, jumbo girl... will check it out... but i prefer to go for yoga classes rather than do myself at home...
retrieved 4, 3 fertilised but only 1 grow and transferred... actually this time was supposedly better than my last try... last try retrieved 6 but none fertilised.. so actually i was more hopeful this time round but unfortunately it didnt turn out well...
i guess it's my egg quality... or hubby's sperm quality too... haiz...
u must continue to jia you ok ? hope to hear gd news in time to come..
Leuieu, the follicle may not b empty if the e2 is high before the retrieval. It happened during one of my natural cycle. No egg was retrieved. I checked with other doc and found out that it could b due to wrong timing of retrieval, the egg is not mature yet and hence, doc could not suck it out.
Dont be discouragd, i am also low reserve. U only need 1 gd egg. Pls continue to tiaoyour body. Dont rush.
I notice u have been taking danggui. Pls check with your tcm doc if u can take. Not everyone can take danggui.
Leuieu, i am a silent reader. From the ivf thread. Would you consider getting a 2nd or 3rd opinion from another doctor? IVF protocols are a bit of an art rather than exact science. Before you head off to BKK probavly worth seeing a few other doctors with your records and ask them abt your case and what they would recommend. I agree with bs1970's post abt alternative reasons to empty follicles.
Jia you redvel! May 2015 be different for us!!
2011 and 2012 were the darkest yrs in my life.
2011: found out i have low egg reserve, failed 2 fresh despite high dosage and many many jabs daily. My gd friend cum colleague was pregnant, she was very carried away and showed off her bliss everyday. I could not take it and i tried to avoid her and keep an distance from her.
2012: I lost the most impt person in my life (my beloved grandma passed away) in the middle of my 3rd ivf attemp. I got to cancel my scheduled ER as i was too sad to proceed. Also have some problem with my boss at work. After that, tried a few rounds of natural ivf at kk but all never make it to ER. Have to travel to kk every month, found all sort of excuses to my boss as i was late for work. Finally decided to switch to Dr Loh in Nov but he was sick ( and hospitalised )when i started my 1st attempt at Tfc.
2013 was the happiest moment in my life. Finally pregnant and gave birth to a healthy baby. I am grateful to Dr Loh, i was succeeded under him. He also monitored me closely in every check up.
Jia you, ladies. Your dream will come true.
Thanks bs1970 for sharing. May I ask what immunocal is and is there anywhere in sg which offer fertility yoga? As for accu, I will be trying my luck with Dr zhao from raffles hospital since dr zou does not work for me. Have been with her for a yr..@bbpooh81
Your sitiation same as me. I also ttced for 6 yrs before succeeded. Issue started with hubby but later found out i have problem too.
To improve egg qlty, try immunocal, cq10 (150mg) per day, vitamin c, fertility yoga, accu, cut down on coffee, strictly no alcohol.
I understand how you ladies feel. Can pm me if you need more help or someone to talk to.
BS1970, you are really strong and I am happy that ur perservance pay off! I indeed felt v deflated when my 2nd fresh failed and again, due to egg quality issue despite trying tcm and coq10. It felt like failing an exam which i've prepared for months and its not something I can control. I couldn't stop crying and wonder when it'll be my turn to be a mum. But I guess I could only keep trying..2011 and 2012 were the darkest yrs in my life.
2011: found out i have low egg reserve, failed 2 fresh despite high dosage and many many jabs daily. My gd friend cum colleague was pregnant, she was very carried away and showed off her bliss everyday. I could not take it and i tried to avoid her and keep an distance from her.
2012: I lost the most impt person in my life (my beloved grandma passed away) in the middle of my 3rd ivf attemp. I got to cancel my scheduled ER as i was too sad to proceed. Also have some problem with my boss at work. After that, tried a few rounds of natural ivf at kk but all never make it to ER. Have to travel to kk every month, found all sort of excuses to my boss as i was late for work. Finally decided to switch to Dr Loh in Nov but he was sick ( and hospitalised )when i started my 1st attempt at Tfc.
2013 was the happiest moment in my life. Finally pregnant and gave birth to a healthy baby. I am grateful to Dr Loh, i was succeeded under him. He also monitored me closely in every check up.
Jia you, ladies. Your dream will come true.
Yes babe, shall work on that. Strange that my amh ok values doesnt equate to ok afc count. My afc count was bad but amh value was goos. Dr find it funny also.My afc din increase even after dhea.
If cant improve the qtty, work to improve the quality.
Last cycle,afc 5,but i managed to retrieve 14 eggs. But 7 frozen eggs didnt make it after day 6. So 2nd try i went to govt hospital in july since i think for my case its try luck only,so dun waste so much money. Finally was scheduled a date in dec at kkh.@bbpooh81, when is your BT. Mayb you will succeed thi time.
@connie_hopeful, how many eggs you retrieved in your last cycle? You tried how many times already?
Ladies, there are a lot of inspiring stories if you read through the older post.
My BT was on last Friday and bfn. Will be gg back for review in 1 month's time.@bbpooh81, when is your BT. Mayb you will succeed thi time.
@connie_hopeful, how many eggs you retrieved in your last cycle? You tried how many times already?
Ladies, there are a lot of inspiring stories if you read through the older post.
Thanks bs1970. Will be trying out tcm at raffles hospital followed by increased in supplements this time round. Has also thought of shifting hse..@bbpooh81 , hug. Dont give up. Mayb you can take a longer time to tiao your body this time before u start your next cycle.
Thanks. Same to you too. Hope our turn will come!Thanks bs1970. Will be trying out tcm at raffles hospital followed by increased in supplements this time round. Has also thought of shifting hse..
This afternoon also received news that my SIL is 2 mths preggy.. haiz.. she is way older than me and yet they striked juz within few mths of marriage.. hubby and myself are sad but we are happy for them.
@connie_hopeful, you jia you too in your upcoming cycle! Hope to hear some gd news!
Hey babe, I posted on donor egg, not sure if it's sthg u will consider as it worked for meHi, was surfing ard this forum and though I belong to this group too. I have been ttc for 6 yrs and married for 9 yrs. Tried 2 IUI failed, and 2 fresh IVF. I am now in my 2ww for my 2nd fresh (11dp3dt). Felt some menses cramp and spotting yesterday evening and this morning tested negative.. think its a failed cycle again. Sob.
TTC-ing is indeed a v tiring process..from medical checks to IUI, to IVF, to TCM, accuputure, supplements to eating well, to praying etc etc.. just hoping for us to be blessed with one or more child..
Pregnant comes to some very easily but is soo soo difficult for us.. I am at times apologetic to my hubby as he loves kids too.. I suggested adoption but he seems hesitant as I know he wishes a child of his own.
Initially we thot the issue lies with him so he went for an operation but after my 1st fresh IVF, I realised the issue lies with my egg quality too. 2nd attempt, despite tcm, accuputure, coq10, the egg quality did not improved.. need to go for my 3rd cycle soon as I am not getting any younger but not sure what else can I do to make this happen?
Anyway, sorry for the rant.. I hope everyone here has some gd news to share already, if not hopefully in yr 2015.
I did an egg donor program in Bangkok. Gave birth to son few mths bk. u can contact me if keenWas advised to see a doctor in Bangkok that has better IVF solutions for empty follicle syndrome, any sistas here that had heard about such option?
Thanks Ashley 11 for sharing. For donor egg from bkk, is there any special procedure or declaration or preparation you need to do in sg?Hi,
I would like to share more of what I've gone through in case other members are keen to know.
2010 Feb- first fresh cycle, KKH, dr loh, positive beta but mc at 8 weeks
2010 Aug- 2nd thaw cycle, KKH, Dr loh, negative
2011 Feb- 3rd fresh cycle, KKH, Dr loh, positive beta but went down and became a chemical pregnancy
2011 July- 4th fresh cycle,KKH, Dr Sadhana, negative
Took a break and visited Dr Yu (sgh), Prof (Nuh), Dr Loh (raffles hospital) to hear their advice on next steps. Meanwhile continued with Tcm and did acupuncture. Also had done all sorts of tests like Amh, LH, afc, autoimmune tests to rule out abnormality. Last diagnosed with adenomyosis which is suppose to hamper pregnancy.
Oct 2012- 5th fresh cycle with TMC in Johor Bahru, negative. Included embryogen to improve embryos but didn't help much as egg quality was the issue.
Oct 2013- 6th cycle with donor eggs, medicated cycle, 2x 4AA blastocysts, negative
Dec 2013- 7th cycle with donor eggs, natural cycle, 2x blastocysts, singleton pregnancy
Chose a Thai fair skin donor who's 27 years old, she had two successful records. She yielded 12 blastocysts with my hubby sperm, I've used 4, now left 8.
I did not do aCGH ( genetic screening) or gender selection as we believed that it will be fine as long as embryos proceed to blast stage which is very common for all the donors there. My own embryos barely made it to day 3 and they are clearly of low quality.
Spend about sgd12k for procedure and sgd4k for donor egg excluding flight n accommodation. Flew to BKK 2 times before doing transfer. I went to SAFE fertility centre with Dr Wiwat.
Thanks Ashley 11 for sharing. For donor egg from bkk, is there any special procedure or declaration or preparation you need to do in sg?
Did you try fresh cycle (your own egg) in bkk? I recently heard from Dr zou (tcm) that there's a 41 yrs old who managed to conceive successfully in bkk with gd quality egg when docs in sg have all said her ggs are of bad quality when she tried 3 times in sg..
hi redvel.. first ivf at kkh with dr loh via long ptrotocol, i recalled there were 18 follicles during last scan.. on ER day, think there were 8 eggs with 5 fertilized.. i transferred 2 with remaining 3 frozen...however, during thaw, 2 didnt make it, so only 1 transferred but also no success..
subsequently, at tfc with dr loh short protocol, 6 eggs retrieved but none fertilised... this was my last before this recent one.. so i would like to think that there was some improvement with the last recent one though not many eggs but at least they were fertilised.. but still not optimum.. there must be smthg wrong somewhere which i will find out with dr loh next week...
sure, good things must always share.. will let you know... you practice on your own? i used to have the discipline but now lazy to do myself at home so better go for classes because dunno if i do the right thing or not also.. maybe see if can get a personal yoga teacher and do in a small group... do u know of any good yoga teacher ?
@bbpooh81
Immunocal is protein powder. Available in all OG. Not cheap though. About $100 for 30 packs. You have to mix it with room temparature water. Taste yucky also.
I tried out a few fertility yoga poses by learning from youtube. You can go youtube and search "fertility yoga". A sister from IVF thread advised me to do yoga. She also has low reserve but she succedeeded on her first natural IVF.
TFC=thomson fertility centre. I tried at least 5-6 rounds of natural ivf under Dr Sadhana at kk, all never make it to ER. Always ovulated before ER. I think she is not gd in doing natural ivf. Dr Loh said for natural Ivf, timing is very.very important as the egg grow naturally without any stimulation.
Yes inmunocal can still take take when start jabsHi, I am starting my 2nd ivf next week. Can I still take immunocal now? Can we still take when we start our jabs?